Episode 2 doesn't make any sense...

edited February 2014 in The Wolf Among Us

I've been thinking about this, and though I may be wrong or this may've already been brought up, I'm starting to think Crane is kind of... inconsistent. Or maybe last-minute plot changes made hm that way.

Why did he murder someone glamoured as Snow White? Why not wait for the glamour to end? Didn't he even partly perceive that someone could've found the body? Why dump it into a river smack-dab in the middle of the city? Why not find a better place or a better way? Why do it to begin with? Why not make any effort to get the real Snow out of the way after they found her head? Snow was "up all night working", but how come, then, she didn't notice the NYPD outside? They probably would've evacuated the building or at least asked questions. Snow would've been there and seen her own head, reassuring the others she wasn't. dead.

The way it seems, Snow wasn't meant to come back in Episode 2, and Crane wasn't meant to be the killer. More plot holes thanks to Telltale's super-top-secret "technical issue" delay which somehow resulted in a very careless rewrite of the entire plot...

I was initially really happy with Episode 2, but the more I think about it, the more things don't add up.

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  • edited February 2014

    Well, my guess is that Crane is not the killer. It's too early for the killer to be revealed anyway. I think it was just a twist. Basically, Crane is obsessed with Snow, he had been seeing Lily and he had specfically requested the Snow White glamour. That's about as much as we can deduce, I think. I don't think that they're building up to Crane as the murderer.

    Snow's appearance did seem sudden. But, did she ever say that she was at the Woodlands at any point that night? She says that she went to investigate the body at the river. Surely the authorities wouldn't leave the head on the steps for very long. We don't know when she got back. But I agree that her whereabouts are a mystery. Something doesn't fit.

  • edited February 2014

    They did change some stuff from E1. In the "Next time on The Wolf Among Us" scene you get after completing the first episode, the fight between Bigby and Beast happens in an alley or something like that. There's also a scene where Bigby is beating Crane up. Bigby's complete transformation was probably supposed to happen in the second episode too.

  • Why do you think Crane is the killer? You REALLY think that they would reveal the killer's identity 2/5 of the way through a murder mystery?

    While the episode's quality was spotty in places, complaining about this is just silly.

  • My guess for your last point is that originally Bigby was going to participate in the retrieval of the body (you know, as a guy who can hold his breath for weeks and everything), but they had to cut that part.

    Well, my guess is that Crane is not the killer. It's too early for the killer to be revealed anyway. I think it was just a twist. Basically, C

  • I'm personaly not sure Bigby transformation was supposed to happen in ep 2, I don't even think it will happen prior to episode 5 for that matter. It's on the preview picture of ep 5 for a reason. Footage of him in almost-wolf form is possibly just a teaser.

    Also let's not forget that Telltale is known for changing stuff on the go in games that have "next time on" feature.

  • edited February 2014

    It's interesting how you've pointed out so many discrepancies in the whole "Crane is the killer" thing, and yet you seem to believe it anyway.

    Also Snow was undoubtedly going to come back, as this game is a prequel to comic series where she is obviously alive.

    EDIT: omg, sorry, this was supposed to be a comment on the original post, not yours

    Kaihu posted: »

    Why do you think Crane is the killer? You REALLY think that they would reveal the killer's identity 2/5 of the way through a murder mystery? While the episode's quality was spotty in places, complaining about this is just silly.

  • There is a reason it doesn't add up: it's only in episode 2.

  • I'm interested in who it is that can get into the office to use the mirror?
    maybe its the monkey, lol

  • What makes you think Crane is the killer? You can be certain that he's not. Since there is no mention in the comic books of Crane ever having been a serial killer, they could not suddenly make him one now since this is a prequel.

  • That logic only works on those who have read the comics.

    hightreason posted: »

    What makes you think Crane is the killer? You can be certain that he's not. Since there is no mention in the comic books of Crane ever having been a serial killer, they could not suddenly make him one now since this is a prequel.

  • edited February 2014

    The episode made perfect sense to me.

    It sounds like you are confused because your not following the hints and clues.

    Everyone in Fabletown seems to have secrets to hide. Most of them have little or nothing to do with the murders directly.

    All the points you make suggest to me that your not paying attention, or just not paying attention to the right things.

    A example is that with dialog with Snow she tells exactly where she was and what she was doing. I think you need to replay it.

  • Crane isnt the killer, he's just at the top of the suspect list now. It really is way too early to reveal that. That would they do with the next three episodes?

  • edited February 2014

    Crane is a deputy major and has a secret. He lusts for Snow White and that would be in character for the creepy little lecher. He has been meeting with the troll Lily while she uses a glamour to look like Snow.

    If you pay attention to the way Crane trys to direct the dialog when viewing the body and in other places its very telling.
    He doesn't want his pervy secret to get out.

    He's a perv with bad priorities and incredibly selfish, but not the killer.

    Its helpful to be familiar with the actual fable stories. Ichabod Cranes story has him lusting for a young woman outside his acceptable social circle. That's the original story anyways. It got him in trouble that time too.

    Read a book from time to time.

  • Crane is involved, there are clues everywhere in episode 2 of this. The only way Crane is the killer is if the ending of the game will be Cindy coming into the hotel room in Paris with Crane. That would explain more than just the game. Episode 4 would have to be quite long. Once upon a time, there was a wolf, who ruled the land, he was much feared, but soon mended his evil ways, and all were happy.

  • The only thing that you can definitely say about Crane from the 2 episodes so far is: 1 - he's a dick to work for, 2 - he has a temper, 3 - he's a sleaze who wants to molest Snow White. And I think we can stipulate that he was the one to purchase the black market glamour (based upon his uncomfortable demeanor when that was found on the body).

    hightreason posted: »

    What makes you think Crane is the killer? You can be certain that he's not. Since there is no mention in the comic books of Crane ever having been a serial killer, they could not suddenly make him one now since this is a prequel.

  • edited February 2014

    Look for it in my post history. I discussed that in one thread (though I forget which right now). I only named the ones I know of as of now (Ep.2) so feel free to expand.

    Vold posted: »

    I'm interested in who it is that can get into the office to use the mirror? maybe its the monkey, lol

  • Maybe Crane accidentaly took the ribbon off since he wanted to dress Lilly just like Snow was in her fable, and she didn't have a ribbon then. It's not like Lilly could stop him either, since she was probably put to sleep to coincide with the tale. Maybe all he really wanted was a night with glamoured Snow and killed her by accident when he took off the ribbon...

    He unties the ribbons, head falls off, he panics and tries to get rid of everything. So he puts Lilly/Snow's head in the front of the apartment to try and imitate the real murderer who took Faith out, in an attempt to remove any suspicion from him and pin it on the original killer. If anyone found out about his little fantasy and Lilly's accidental death, his career would be over.

    The ribbon is strangely missing on Lilly when Bigby inspects her. I'm thinking Crane got rid of it or is keeping it on him.

  • Someone also could've been glamouring them self as crane, a lot points to him sexualizing snow white but that could just be used to mislead.

  • It isn't supposed to "add up", that's the whole point.

  • Subtle clues have hinted that Crane was being monitored by an unknown stalker, evidence planted purposefully for Bigby to find and expose Crane's deviant nature. The question is...

    ...did this unknown suspect murder Lily thinking that she was Snow White, or did he know it was Lily and chose to kill her as a means of exposing Crane? Or did someone already know about Crane and planted the pictures after the killer got his target wrong?

    Personally, there is only one character we have not yet encountered who has enough experience in espionage and subterfuge to provide answers. Here's a hint: Toad knows who I'm talking about.

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