DETAILED LIST OF POTENTIAL KILLERS
Personally, I think a couple of fables mentioned are deemed liable suspects, while others are not. Here is a quick overview of every character. Any opinion with # at end is definite.
Bigby: He was asleep at the death of Faith, and arresting Dee/The Axeman (whichever you chose to arrest) at the death of Snow aka Holly's sister, Lily. I believe he is innocent, but there is always that slim chance that he killed Faith in his sleep and killed Holly in some mid/cutscene. Real Snow asked at the sight of Faith's death "What Could Have Done This?" he replies "Something very Sharp (HIS CLAWS, such as when he tore off Gren's arm in the fight) or something with magic attached to it". However, until more evidence is shown. I believe he is innocent at this point
Snow: Little bit of speculation at this point, not yet sure if she is the murderer, as she is separated from Bigby at every crime scene and happened to be the one to find the head. Nevertheless, I believe she is 100% innocent
Detective Brannigan: Although we don't know much about this character, we know that she also has access to case files and information, and would also have the best experience to pull off a murder without getting caught. She is a liability. I don't think, however, she is a suspect at this point as there is no criminating evidence and little background surrounding her character. If she appears again, then yes, there is a more significant probability
The Boy Who Cried Wolf: Here is an interesting character, with definite suspicion surrounding the case as he appears in many scenes in Episode 1. He is shown at the beginning, driving the Taxi, generally appearing in multiple scenes and is even knocked down during the chase sequence with Dee. This, as a result, is the first #SUSPECT
Crane: Definitely something fishy going on with Crane. However I believe he is innocent. He fantasizes about sexual relations with Snow, and as a result has turned Lily into Snow. Maybe he is just running in fright of the consequences. However, this does not explain how all the blood got on the bed. I believe someone else snuck into the room and murdered her after Crane had left, which I will cover below. However, crane is still a potential suspect.
The Woodsman: We first met the Woodsman beating Faith in Episode One. He is seen as aggressive and is the first character we are introduced to being the suspect in the series. Faith's death would leave him as the prime suspect, with motive, and the blessed axe for the head dismemberment. There is also the option to arrest him or Dee at the end of Episode 1, and regardless of which you arrest (Axeman or Dee) Lily dies anyway. Also it would be far too cliché for the murderer to be framed and suspected by Bigby in the opening episode. #INNOCENT
Dum, Dee + BOSS: 100% Innocent, I can guarantee that while there is suspicion around these guys, again it would be far to cliché and easy to name these guys as the murderers. I believe the boss also has the same motive as Bigby, to find the Killer. So I believe these 3 are innocent.
Bluebeard: Introduced in the second episode, he is seen beating Dee for information. While he may seem aggressive, I believe he is innocent. There is not a lot of background on this Fable, however.
Beauty and the Beast: Now HERE is an interesting case. There isn't a lot of background on Beast yet, so I'm completely unsure about him. I am skeptical however, if he didn't know where Beauty was, then what on earth was he doing in that building where he met his wife and Bigby? He just happened to be wandering the second floor casually?. However, his wife Beauty, Has A LOT to answer for. Firstly, we now know where she was headed off to in EP1, to the 'Working Girl' building, working there as a receptionist/admin. The Lily Murder (coming back to the Dee/Dum case) is very speculate around her. She has a key to the room, and Bigby doesn't recognise any forced way of entry into the room, meaning whoever was in there had access to the key. This makes her the perfect candidate. Another pointer here, not saying it is her, But someone is in the room with Crane, which funnily enough noone has seemed to pick up on. It's a photograph with Crane putting BOTH of his hands on Lily's body, meaning he didn't take a 'selfie'. Someone was actively taking pictures in the room, meaning a second person was in there unless the camera was on a timer, but now I'm getting too technical. However, getting back to Beauty, she is mentioned by Dee and therefore suspected, and as a result, cures part of her innocence, but at this stage, I believe she is some way tied with this, and so is titled a #SUSPECT
The Crooked Man: I see a lot of people talking about him, and have no idea who he is, unless it is AKA the Boy Who Cried Wolf, so I cannot speculate on his case or already have.
Holly: What better way to save your own skin then kill your own sister, it makes her look innocent. However she was with Bigby when Snow AKA Lily was killed, so unless she has an alias, for now, she is innocent.
Gren: Vicious individual, but hates Snow and cares a lot for Holly, so if he wanted to kill Snow, he wouldn't kill a fake snow white which ironicly enough ended up being holly's sister...OR WOULD HE? Apart from this, we know nothing about this character. So until proven guilty, innocent for now.
Narissa AKA The Little Mermaid: We were just introduced to her, yet there is little doubt in my mind that she is the killer, although she worked with both of the dead fables (Faith and Lily) I believe she is innocent as she gives hints to Bigby, although this could be a wild goose chase.
Georgie: Sure, He's a pimp. Uncaring, rude and unwilling to cooperate on solving the murder, but I believe he is innocent, as again, it would be too cliche.
Bufkin:No idea what to put here, any thoughts? Leave in the comments below.
Colin: I thought it was strange, and I don't believe people are paying enough attention to this character. He is first seen in Bigby's apartment. They talk, and then settle down for some rest. Now here is where it gets interesting, COLIN is GONE when Snow starts knocking on the door, and Faith's head is on the doorstep. What's stranger is we haven't seen him all of Episode 2, yet somehow Lily winds up dead. Now I don't want to go pointing fingers yet, but in my books DEFINITE #SUSPECT
Finally, the ONE FABLE I have had in mind from the beginning that noone else has yet suspected or investigated....TOAD
Mr. Toad: Now who would suspect the quiet, innocent, always calling for the Sheriff toad that gets beat up and has people sneaking through HIS APARTMENTS (Dee). Now although Dee said Faith stole something from his boss (which we are not yet sure what it was, yet I believe it would accelerate dramatically the crimes, acting as a crucial part of evidence) he was still snooping around the apartment, and may have been coached to tell Bigby he was looking for a stolen item. Now although I said the Woodsman was the first character that is a suspect, the VERY FIRST CHARACTER apart from Bigby that we are introduced to is Toad, which obviously has a grudge on Bigby shown through his attitude as Bigby keeps telling him to get a glamour "Dont make me ask again" in the opening sequence of episode one. in MOST GAMES, there is a CRUCIAL part played in the opening sequence, which noone surprisingly seems to have picked up on. Thus, I am naming Toad as a #SUSPECT
EDIT Just thought about one last character, Mayor Cole:
What's strange about this is he has recently left (not specified by Crane in EP1 where exactly 'The last thing i need with Mayor Cole away is a hysteria! Do you understand me?') we just know he is temporarily 'away'. Now here's something I picked up from a couple of characters aswell. Snow says things are worse than ever in the cab ride with Bigby, and bigby says they've been worse, she says 'not by much'. Funny that, isn't it. As soon as the mayor goes 'away' 2 dead bodies? hmmmm.....
Gren also re-affirms my theory, after Bigby first meets him in the bar and calls snow a bitch 'Holly's sister goes missing and noone gives two shits about her, paperwork, waiting rooms...' meaning that she has been missing for a while...
The last shred of evidence is the photograph of Crane molesting Holly's Sister. Crane would not leave photo evidence behind of him doing that, he has certainly been framed and someone has left the photograph there afterwards, but how the photo got taken in the first place if Crane wouldnt allow it... only one way. Crane wouldnt let anyone in the room to take the picture, so someone would have taken a picture through the visual of the mirror. And who else would have access to Mayor Crane and Snow Whites Office? Mayor Cole....
Personally, believe what you want. Those are my suspicions and opinions at this point of time, please feel free to clarify me in any false information provided or any missed information which can also narrow down the list of suspects.
Comments
"Bluebeard" was introduced in episode 2 so he can have something to do with it btw good job.
suspect a Mundy is involved
Thought I covered that in the post, evidently not. Thanks for the update and feedback!
This is definitely valid, and I was thinking about the possibility whilst writing this discussion. However we have yet to be introduced to a mundy, so I am avoiding speculating this point at the moment, great thought though Vold. Keep 'em coming!
Interesting thoughts. One thing, though, Blackbeard does not appear in the series. Just Bluebeard.
I'm beginning to think that the guy with the red hair may be a, well, red herring. It's interesting to note that he does not appear anywhere in episode two. I agree with you about Crane being innocent. A creep, but not a murderer. Also it's worth noting that in another thread some of us kicked around the idea of the person who took the picture possibly being hidden. Maybe taking it through a window, or hiding in the closet (would have to re-examine the angle, though). And, yes, it could be on a timer. But I think that would be kind of dull. More interesting to imagine that yet another person may be involved.
I think in general that a lot of characters still have a lot to answer for. Everyone seems to have something to hide. Just makes it even more interesting, though.
Blackbeard doesnt appear? Was that Bluebeard's file Bigby was inspecting at his apartment? Looks like I need to replay the First Episode! Fantastic observations too though! Thanks for the tip about Blackbeard
Sure thing.
Yeah, it was Bluebeard's file. Blackbeard was the pirate, and Bluebeard is the guy from the fairy tale.
Always felt that way when I see a book by Mundy of snow white and the questions posted on the book like a curious mind.
then there's the monkey saying anyone with the right stuff can produce glamour.
Ahhh it was :P
But with the camera through the window, they would have somehow infiltrated the room and put the picture under the bed. However, looks like someone's trying to frame Crane
beauty is definitely still my main suspect since episode 1
Mmmm, there is certainly something suspicious about her, although she might be a filler in the story, shielding our eyes from the real killer, which is why I believe we have seen them, but they play a small role. If it was someone easily suspected early on everyone would be like I knew it all along, but by the end of the 5th episode I believe everyone's going to be in shock when they find it was that one quiet fable all along. Thanks for the input!
What about officer Whats-her-face from the beginning of episode 2?
Detective Brannigan, good point, completely forgot about her. Ill add my thoughts in now. Cheers!
Wow, +1'd! This is very in depth! Great Job!!! I never really thought aboutthe possibility of toad before and very nice work on Beauty
I think it may be Bigby. Have you ever noticed the almost claw-like scratches on everything in the game? Windows, windshields, cars, doors. It may be a way of telltale saying to us "hint hint". I doubt it though.
Thanks mate
You, my friend, have just opened my eyes, you may have just given me the biggest eye opener secret yet, I keep thinking Snow White is dead, and as he left her in the cab, arrested Dee and came back, Snow White was dead, clearing him of suspicion. However it wasn't REALLY Snow White, it was Lily, so he could have killed her somewhere along the way unintentionally or intentionally, same with Faith while he was sleeping. and quote from Snow "What could have done this?" "Something very sharp or something with magic attached to it" (His very sharp claws, as we saw him tear off Gren's arm in the fight. Thanks for the possible biggest clue yet!
Just added a part on Colin, seems like NOONE on the forum has taken note of what I've just provided in evidence. Thoughts?
Also, what happened to the Security Guard at the beginning of Episode 1?
One Final thing I just realised, Mayor Cole, I will be adding him in the List. This may be relevant
Man, I don't want to spoil anything, but you should know (if you don't know already) that this game is a canonical prequel to Fables comic. Which means that at least main protagonists of the said comic are off the suspect list. Which includes like 80% of people you named in yours.
Also, you are missing the Headless Horseman. He is (or was) present in this universe as we can see from the picture book in ep.1 when we investigate Faith's identity.
Reading the comics eliminates almost the entire list.
And only one is possible if the game leads to an unanswered question in the comics, which is quite a high possibility considering what people found. Everything says Crane will be fired.
I like your evaluation. I've read all the comics, so there are some characters who are in the comics that probably won't end up being the killer (Like Bigby, Snow, Bluebeard, Beauty and Beast) however, I'm more curious on the characters who are not in the comics. After reading your evaluation on Toad, I actually really think he could be a suspect. A lot of the characters in the game aren't major characters at all in the comics, nor do most of them ever appear (Like the pimp, or Dee and Dumb, obviously Toad) in the comics. Crane is in the comics, but for 1 or 2 issues. So I don't think he is the murderer, even though he was with Lily last.
Bigby did have brothers i believe and he was in fact the Runt of the litter, i wonder if one will show up and become a suspect
However the game's time setting is the time Crane gets fired. Episode 4 is quite suspicious. Hence the only character that could be the killer that is in the comics is Crane.
As Crane is in the story...how about the Dullahan from Sleepy Hollow...if someone can behead a Fable it surely is the headless horseman. Also Toad Jr. said that when Lilies body was disposed that 1 of the 2 said to the other, that he should stop smiling....in the most common legends the head of the Dullahan is constantly grinning...
Possibly, although we havent been introduced to any of his family characters yet
Thanks for the feedback guys. I've personally never read any of the comics, so I wouldn't know who is innocent,which is why I did a full evaluation. Thanks for the heads up though.
Thanks for the tip, and don't worry
its not spoiling anything, this post is purely to open peoples minds to possibilities and share information (and facts) about possible suspects.
Wouldn't mind giving us an update and who gets removed, exactly?
Thanks for the feedback! And yes, I believe there is something fishy about Toad
When I play through it again it seems very fishy around Toad now that you've brought all this information up, as for Cole that is surprising.
Wouldn't be the first time a detective investigating their own case.
great cover
Haha nope
cheers
Everyone...except for maybe 2 or 3 characters.
I'm thinking more like 5. It really all depends on what happens in episode 3
Fair enough. I'll be interested to see what goes down in 3.
Nice. I started putting together a comprehensive listing like this after the first episode, but got distracted by something shiny and forgot about it. Good job.
As others have pointed out, most, if not all, of the characters who appear in the comics can very likely be crossed off the suspect list. It's definitely not Brannigan because she doesn't know that Fabletown even exists. The appearances of the Red Haired Man (who has not yet been confirmed as being the Boy Who Cried Wolf) throughout Episode 1 may seem odd at first. But if you pay close enough attention, you'll notice there are several instances in which he appears in two places at the same time, suggesting that he's actually just an extra background character model. He also appears in places where he'd have no way of knowing that Bigby would be at, which doesn't track if the theory is that he's following Bigby around to the crime scenes. He's also seen driving the cab Snow is in around the time that Lily's head was placed at the Woodlands. Extremely unlikely that this guy is involved in any way. It can't be Woody because he's with Bigby at the Trip Trap when the second head was placed at the Woodlands. Holly and Gren can be ruled out for the same reason. Georgie certainly has the opportunity, but what's the motive? So far both of the victims have been girls who worked for him. He's losing money from this.
As for Toad, I'm having a hard time seeing it. At worst, he seems to be a petty crook, but he doesn't seem to have the guts for murder. And while he may have had the opportunity, at least in Faith's case, what are the means and motive? Having a grudge against Bigby isn't a reason to kill two girls Bigby didn't even know. Besides, wasn't he with Snow when Lily's head was placed at the Woodlands?
If it's anyone that we've already met, it has to be the Tweedles and their boss, who is almost certainly the Crooked Man. It's either them or someone we haven't even met yet.
Cross of Bigby, Snow, Colin, Beast, Beauty, Toad, Cryer, Kelsey Brannigan, Woody, Bluebeard, Holly, and Gren. Possible Mastermind would be Crane, depending on the last 3 episodes.