Calling Mr. Grossman...
*** HERE BE MONKEY ISLAND 2 SPOILERS ***
Would you... you continue?
MI2 ending:
The plot thickens!
That leaves me with two questions:
1. Why won't "those in the know" tell? (Will they ever change their minds?)
2. Surely the ending was quite clearly explained in the final moments of the game? We see "Chuckie" for his true self (Guybrush doesn't) and then we cut to Elaine, apparently alive and well and not a figment of anyone's imagination... So what we HAVE been told is actually quite clear, right?
Have you read the Scumm Bar's breakdown of the whole affair? Here it is, if you haven't:
http://bit.ly/scummbar
Thanks for replying,
- Johnny
PS - I'm LOVING Tales!
Would you... you continue?
MI2 ending:
Dave Grossman wrote: »Always controversial, isn't it? Some hate it, others love it, not too many opinions in the middle. Having a cliffhanger like that would have been a much better idea had Ron or any of us actually worked on the next game. Which, of course, we didn't, and poor Jonathan and Larry had to figure out what to do with it on their own. I thought their game was rather good.
I'm not going to say anything about what was or was not originally intended to follow that cliffhanger. I would caution you not to put too much faith into any particular rumor you might hear about it. Those who know don't tell, and those who tell don't know. Make up your own mind about what it means - that's what poetry is for (and, um, also the bizarre endings of funny computer games).
The plot thickens!
That leaves me with two questions:1. Why won't "those in the know" tell? (Will they ever change their minds?)
2. Surely the ending was quite clearly explained in the final moments of the game? We see "Chuckie" for his true self (Guybrush doesn't) and then we cut to Elaine, apparently alive and well and not a figment of anyone's imagination... So what we HAVE been told is actually quite clear, right?
Have you read the Scumm Bar's breakdown of the whole affair? Here it is, if you haven't:
http://bit.ly/scummbar
ScummBar.com wrote:Many theories have floated over the web about what really was going on in Monkey Island. Some say there are portals in the pirate world around the Caribbean; or that the secret is the location of Monkey Island itself; or, finally, because of MI2's ending, that Guybrush is just a young boy who is visiting a theme park.
On these suggestions Ron Gilbert once commented, "One is closer than the others -- but not much".
Thanks for replying,
- Johnny
PS - I'm LOVING Tales!
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Now, assuming that I'll become embarrassingly rich, and that Ron Gilbert, Dave Grossman and Tim Schafer all know what the MI2 ending meant or what the Secret is: which one of the three is more bribeable?
My money is on Tim.
I guess the idea was simply that they are actually kids. Very disappointing, that's why they don't tell. They don't want to disappoint us
That tells me that no one has gotten it right yet and therefore no one actually knows. Which sounds to me that this theme park idea makes no sense. A lot of things from the first game go unexplained. Like the fact that LeChuck originally is uninterested in Guybrush and simply wants Elaine. That doesn't make any sense if it was just some kid looking for his brother.
That's why he lost him in the first place: he was chasing a girl
Actually in MI2 LeChuck says their parents asked him to go get Guybrush...
I just hope Mr. Grossman (can I call you Dave?
So many people want the answer and with Ron as well as the originals working on new tales... We can only hope, however episode 1 in my opinion is back on track with 1 and 2 as far as quality.
He already answered that, that's what he meant when he wrote:
I mentioned Bill Tiller's quote in my original message.
Oh ok, thanks for the update.
This was brought up before though, several times. And it was said none of them were the real follow-up. From what I understand as well, Ron always envisioned it as a Trilogy, meaning all of the ending was setting up for the finale.
Are we ever going to find out what happen to the ending of MI2? I really want to know.
You'll have to wait for Ron's tell all book.
LeChuck is clearly Guybrush's brother, as the bones of their parents worked in the voodoo doll, which worked perfectly.
If ToMI is the last Monkey Island game (I hope it is to be honest, MI6 would be pushing it) then Gilbert will most likely reveal the secret after the game is finished. Or Dave will reveal the secret himself IN the game.
Or, the very instant Guybrush flicks on the lights in the "maintenance tunnels" under Dinky, Guybrush is under LeChuck's spell, and LeChuck is just busy playing with him, messing with his head.
And I dunno about you, but if a series is good, fun, and still has more stories to tell, then I think, by all means, they should continue to be told.
Nah - keep it going and it just gets boring. Go and watch Spiderman 3 if you don't believe me. Or try playing through all the Pokemon games.
MAYBE there's room for another season of ToMI. But I really believe that should be it.
The ominous, everpresent threat of monkey vengeance, of course. You can hear them in the night, rustling, keeping watch. I knew I should never have signed using my own blood, but Ron can be so persuasive....
"Clear" is not a word I have ever been tempted to use in conjunction with the end of Monkey 2. In fact, it's quite deliberately UNclear.
Yes, I saw that! (It was from a comment on Gamasutra, but several people have forwarded it to me since then.) It took me a while to remember what he was talking about. The Citadel Beast, I mean, not The Dig. I remember The Dig. Sort of.
I doubt I'm onto it, but it makes some sense. Besides, I'm reluctant to believe in the whole "Guybrush has always just been a kid" thing, mostly because, well, where are you supposed to go from there?
Assuming this whole thread is in giant spoiler tags already, I'll post one of the pieces of "evidence" that I don't see very often.
*One of the requirements for a voodoo doll is "something of the dead," a bone from a dead relative of the "target."
*Guybrush identifies the skeletons in the waiting room as "my [Guybrush's] parents."
*LeChuck claims to be Guybrush's brother, so we use a bone from "their" father for the voodoo doll.
*The voodoo doll works.
This basically leads to the conclusion that Guybrush and LeChuck are actually brothers.
(This can also be written off with "LeChuck was only pretending that the voodoo doll was working," and that he was toying with Guybrush the whole time, but the game doesn't seem to suggest that)
I guess that punches a big hole in my theory, unless Guybrush was under the spell before he even went after the doll.
You have a point here. Can we say the next scene that it was a flashback?
But... but... but...
Surely that's explaining something...?
It doesn't sound like The Dig 1-A might be coming any time soon
This is a spell, even though they're brother. Don't look any further.
My guess would be:
They're toying with you because you're acting so childishly
PLEASE PLEASE put a spoiler tag.
I was willing to replay everything after the SOMI SE, and I did not remember so much before reading this topic
I think this guy's got it. And I want Ron Gilbert to come here and post personally so he can congratulate this man for figuring it out.
He IS the little boy in the theme park, but at the same time he's the wannabe pirate in that faraway universe. From time to time he begins to realize that there's something 'wrong' with his world.
Or, like in the Matrix, he IS in an adventure game, the same game which the boy in the theme park will get from parents as a birthday present.
Sorry, I have probably read way too many weird stories...
It means he was in Disneyland before 1982. Maybe that's why no one wants to reveal the truth, because Disney would sue their pants off!:p
Isn't that The Longest Journey? : )
Well there was a fangame based on that concept. The title was... 'right, I don't remember the game anymore... There was that guy in green pyjamas, a reporter with fancy hat, a wannabe actress neigbour, an alien doctor, a weird city, song about beeing happy staying in your room and to exit the first area you had to pick up door handle. Anyways, it all based on a concept of
Well, just a theory...
Maybe for TOMI Season 2 they could get Ron in full-time and use the ideas they had?
During the game, LeChuck does say that he had Guybrush suffer "tortures most foul" at the Carnival, and Guybrush is horrified when he realizes where he is. So while no one can say what they originally intended, officially the series provides a simple explanation.
I'm sorry, sir, but I don't see how cutting to Elaine and having her say "I hope LeChuck hasn't cast some horrible SPELL over him" is deliberately unclear.
Proof SOMI is his imagination and in MI2 you are slowly being pulled to reality by Lechuck (Chucky)
Which will most likely make us search for some invisible ink to attempt to find at least ONE useful and informational thing in it.
When practicing insult swordfighting, ask one of the random pirates "Why do you all talk so funny?" You get one of the most third-wall-breaking lines in the whole series.
That could mean that Big Whoop is the real world and the Secret is how to get there? And at the very end of MI2 we see LeChuck managing to cross over from the pirate realm to ours!:eek:
But apparently they're brothers.. So that means they both exist in both of the worlds?