It was meant to delve into the theme of Season 2--what you're willing to do to survive/what you're living for. Carver represents the extreme end of that by killing people who might possibly hold him back and holding a tyrannical hold on his people to keep them safe. Of course, he also represents how that mindset leads to not giving a s*** about others and becoming very narcissistic (like his vendetta against Alvin under the guise that was somehow about safety). Clementine has to face these issues through Kenny, Jane, Luke, and the others to a lesser extent. She wants to keep them together, but is finding them fighting with each other or not being there for the group or giving up (Sarah).
Carver saw how "tough" she is from the house and later at the cabin, believes she thinks the same way he does, and he admires her for it. He wants her to become him.
Just my opinion, but I don't think it was done very well. It feels forced.
When he said Clementine was alot more like him than she thought, i guess the writers are foreshadowing Clementine actually becoming like Carver in the future. I didnt want to believe it, i even told Carver in the face "im nothing like you" but hey if Clem lives long enough in that kind of world then anything is possible.
I still understand what Carver is trying to achieve in the end though even if he is not exactly the most sane person in the place.
He believes that tyrannical rule is way to go to have future for the humanity, beyond the walkers.
Pulling shattered society together after the walkers have rotten away and the situation is more under control if the bodies are purged, takes a quite bit of effort.
It was meant to delve into the theme of Season 2--what you're willing to do to survive/what you're living for. Carver represents the extrem… moree end of that by killing people who might possibly hold him back and holding a tyrannical hold on his people to keep them safe. Of course, he also represents how that mindset leads to not giving a s*** about others and becoming very narcissistic (like his vendetta against Alvin under the guise that was somehow about safety). Clementine has to face these issues through Kenny, Jane, Luke, and the others to a lesser extent. She wants to keep them together, but is finding them fighting with each other or not being there for the group or giving up (Sarah).
Carver saw how "tough" she is from the house and later at the cabin, believes she thinks the same way he does, and he admires her for it. He wants her to become him.
Just my opinion, but I don't think it was done very well. It feels forced.
He was trying to manipulate her into being an heir to his throne, essentially. Carver's biggest worry, as he says himself, is "not knowing if [he] has someone to pass all this off to."
He believes that humanity, in order to survive, needs to be groomed and molded into true survivors that are able to take the reigns and lead to weak-willed that aren't able to lead themselves. Considering Clementine is still a kid, he tries to win her over by commenting on her potential, strength, and survival skills; how she's managed to survive so long, keep her nerve around him, and the fact that she has had to both see and do terrible things in order to stay alive up to that point. Whether or not it's all a ruse in an attempt to get her on his side by manipulating a child that is still vulnerable to influence, or that he really does see something truly special in her, is up for interpretation, I suppose.
I think Carver respected Clementine's qualities, but they weren't pals or anything like that lol. I don't think he really treated her in a special way and showed that if she didn't play by his rules she was gonna be punished just like everyone else (like that time he slapped her if he felt disrespected).
When you have the sort of psychological build Carver has, the world looks a bit different than what most people see. It is difficult for me to explain this, in much the same way as it would be difficult for a fish to describe being surrounded by water -- the fish has never lived any other way.
Anyhow, the social world, rather than being one continuous thing, divides itself into a foreground and a background.
"Background people" are just kind of there. They might be useful for your ends in various ways (or not), but barring this use-value (or lack thereof), there's really nothing remarkable about them. You are uninterested in them as people, though you might feign otherwise if you sense it would be more productive for your ends to do so. Whether it is as a data point, a vote, another pair of hands at a given task, or whatever, that's really as far as it goes. The majority of people fall into this category.
"Foreground people" are different. You sense some kind of underlying kinship with these people, and judging from their behavior, vocal tone, body language, word selection, and so on, they are looking out into the social world and seeing much the same thing you are. They are "in on the joke", as it were. They know that the majority of people are basically useless for any sort of pragmatic endeavor (except insofar as they do as they are told), and on a purely personal level, the majority are inane, illogical, born followers... tools, frankly. Anyhow, the "foreground people" people stand out to your perception for two reasons. One, similitude to yourself (if you can really see eye to eye with/relate to anyone here, it will be these people), and two, if you end up facing any credible social/political threat here, it will likely involve these people in some way.
To Carver's eyes, Clem sticks out like a sore thumb. She might be more idealistic, yes, but she is ... a youngling of his mental species, if that makes any sense.
The primary difference between them is that Clem has within her a moral code that does not necessarily depend on emotional bonds but which nonetheless prescribes moral behavior, and Carver either had such a code once but lost it, or never had one.
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It was meant to delve into the theme of Season 2--what you're willing to do to survive/what you're living for. Carver represents the extreme end of that by killing people who might possibly hold him back and holding a tyrannical hold on his people to keep them safe. Of course, he also represents how that mindset leads to not giving a s*** about others and becoming very narcissistic (like his vendetta against Alvin under the guise that was somehow about safety). Clementine has to face these issues through Kenny, Jane, Luke, and the others to a lesser extent. She wants to keep them together, but is finding them fighting with each other or not being there for the group or giving up (Sarah).
Carver saw how "tough" she is from the house and later at the cabin, believes she thinks the same way he does, and he admires her for it. He wants her to become him.
Just my opinion, but I don't think it was done very well. It feels forced.
When he said Clementine was alot more like him than she thought, i guess the writers are foreshadowing Clementine actually becoming like Carver in the future. I didnt want to believe it, i even told Carver in the face "im nothing like you" but hey if Clem lives long enough in that kind of world then anything is possible.
mini carver? haha
I still understand what Carver is trying to achieve in the end though even if he is not exactly the most sane person in the place.
He believes that tyrannical rule is way to go to have future for the humanity, beyond the walkers.
Pulling shattered society together after the walkers have rotten away and the situation is more under control if the bodies are purged, takes a quite bit of effort.
I thought it was just showing how dark or serious like in the future for Clementine example is how Carl is in the comics now.
He was trying to manipulate her into being an heir to his throne, essentially. Carver's biggest worry, as he says himself, is "not knowing if [he] has someone to pass all this off to."
He believes that humanity, in order to survive, needs to be groomed and molded into true survivors that are able to take the reigns and lead to weak-willed that aren't able to lead themselves. Considering Clementine is still a kid, he tries to win her over by commenting on her potential, strength, and survival skills; how she's managed to survive so long, keep her nerve around him, and the fact that she has had to both see and do terrible things in order to stay alive up to that point. Whether or not it's all a ruse in an attempt to get her on his side by manipulating a child that is still vulnerable to influence, or that he really does see something truly special in her, is up for interpretation, I suppose.
I think Carver respected Clementine's qualities, but they weren't pals or anything like that lol. I don't think he really treated her in a special way and showed that if she didn't play by his rules she was gonna be punished just like everyone else (like that time he slapped her if he felt disrespected).
When you have the sort of psychological build Carver has, the world looks a bit different than what most people see. It is difficult for me to explain this, in much the same way as it would be difficult for a fish to describe being surrounded by water -- the fish has never lived any other way.
Anyhow, the social world, rather than being one continuous thing, divides itself into a foreground and a background.
"Background people" are just kind of there. They might be useful for your ends in various ways (or not), but barring this use-value (or lack thereof), there's really nothing remarkable about them. You are uninterested in them as people, though you might feign otherwise if you sense it would be more productive for your ends to do so. Whether it is as a data point, a vote, another pair of hands at a given task, or whatever, that's really as far as it goes. The majority of people fall into this category.
"Foreground people" are different. You sense some kind of underlying kinship with these people, and judging from their behavior, vocal tone, body language, word selection, and so on, they are looking out into the social world and seeing much the same thing you are. They are "in on the joke", as it were. They know that the majority of people are basically useless for any sort of pragmatic endeavor (except insofar as they do as they are told), and on a purely personal level, the majority are inane, illogical, born followers... tools, frankly. Anyhow, the "foreground people" people stand out to your perception for two reasons. One, similitude to yourself (if you can really see eye to eye with/relate to anyone here, it will be these people), and two, if you end up facing any credible social/political threat here, it will likely involve these people in some way.
To Carver's eyes, Clem sticks out like a sore thumb. She might be more idealistic, yes, but she is ... a youngling of his mental species, if that makes any sense.
The primary difference between them is that Clem has within her a moral code that does not necessarily depend on emotional bonds but which nonetheless prescribes moral behavior, and Carver either had such a code once but lost it, or never had one.
Carver wanted Clem to be like the daughter he never had.