Like or dislike Gwyn Whitehill?
I find it odd to see how there's a lot of controversy on this character, what do you all think about her?
Personally I like Gwyn for being different from her dad and her brothers, unlike them who are assholes, she is considerate and empathetic to the Forresters and would take so much risk to end the bloodshed between the two houses, sure she was the reason why Rodrik and Asher had to face humiliation towards Ludd at certain times but it's not her fault, she had no control over Ludd and Gryff's behavior, besides what else could she do to end their bloodshed? I do understand she could be naive at times and maybe that's why Ironrath fell, but she is trying to help the Forresters no matter what. Heck even at Asher's fight Gwyn saved me by stabbing the soldier, and at the ending Gwyn was with Talia. With her fighting skills and her caring personality, it's awesome.
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I love Gwyn! She risked everything for the sake of peace. I honestly think people don't like her because she wants peace instead of letting you murder her family.
My canon story is Rodrik surviving. So she had a minor role to play but she still send letters, saying that Ludd was coming.
Personnally I have no trouble with her character.
I agree with all of that
Hate
I hate her, she stabbed Asher so I went from thinking she was decent to hating her.
I wish I had never listened to her but at least I ignored her when it mattered the most.
Like her.
Hence why she stabbed Asher :P
Overall, I'm mixed about her. Her intentions were good, she wants peace between the two houses, but in order for that to happen, she just wants me to submit. We would basically be giving up everything, and the Whitehills nothing, and I just can't let that happen.
Hate her with a passion. Her EVERY word in the finale is a bunch of stupid, lying, insulting, manipulative hogwash.
Hate. Only hate.
Hate. She's a dumb, manipulative, hypocritical whore who's all like "Oh Asher, my family just murdered your brother. Let's get married and forget everything."
That cunt seriously expects me to bend the knee to his family after they just murdered Rodrik? I. Don't. Fucking. Think so. And that's not ALL they've done. Ludd smiling at Ethan getting murdered, calling Lord Gregor a coward, Gryff and Harys and his men basically shitting all over our home. After all that, she expects me to surrender! A fucking whore, Gwyn is. Beskha would make a WAAAAYYYYY better bride for Asher than that fucking cunt Gwyn.
But can you blame us, I mean Asher or Rodrik is dead because of her shitty family.
Hate her. Her version of Peace = The Forresters being below Whitehill and submitting to them. Like hell I will.
I understand wanting them dead. What I don't understand is hating Gwyn for wanting an outcome where both familes survive.
Like.
P.S Hate is such a strong word...
Besides the entirety of the Beshka&Asher show, my favorite moment of the game was when i toasted "To Gwynn, without whom none of this would be possible" right before her father started bleeding from his eyes as the poison took effect and the rest of plan to kill her misbegotten family sprung in to action. I honestly laughed for 5 minutes straight.
Does that answer how i feel about her?
Frustrated and disappointed, than absolute hatred towards her.
I understand her loyalty to her family, and her potential to realize that 'blood isn't always thicker than water' if you go out of your way to please her, where she can make amends to the Forresters in their time of desperation and become their ally.
But my main problem is this: 'too little too late'. She fails to realize sooner of her family's corruption, the one-sided proposal of submitting to her father for the sake of peace, and the potential scenario of her long-distanced lover's death (Asher in Episode 5) and his corpse being defiled to humiliate the Forresters even further (with his youngest brother holding his head on a pike, no less).
I'm in the middle. I don't like her, but I don't hate her either.
I don't hold any anger or hostility for her. I understand what she did even if it did hurt the Forresters. The underlying theme in Game of Thrones is family and what you would do for them whether it's morally questionable or not
True that, I'll fix it
I'm neutral about her. The only thing that I disagree about her character is that she's sort of living in la-la land and can't see the reality of the two houses. Her family is literally wiping out the Forresters and taking half of their ironwood, even though that was not the instructions Ramsay gave them. And she expects them to forget all of that? That's not how it works, Gwyn.
They took all of the Ironwood actually
Even worse.
Hate her
But she's trying to put a stop to it rather then let everyone murder each other. that's not living in la-la land, it's fighting for a better tommorow.
Murder already happened. What I mean by la-la land is that she's not seeing that her family doesn't want things to go peaceful. Sometimes if you want change, you have no choice but to take force. The Forresters didn't have as much soldiers as Whitehills and Rodrick was too injured to do anything. They still, however, did what they wanted under their roof and took all of their ironwood. What did the Forresters do to deserve that? Stand up for themselves? That's about it. They didn't go into drastic measures until Episode 5 to save Ryon.
The only one that had the power to make it all stop was the Whitehills. Can't fight for a better tomorrow when there was no chance in one in the first place.
Maybe peace is so unlikely because both sides think that way "They don't want peace so I'm not going to bother". The two sides never even went to war until Ramsay forced them too. It's much easier to fight and assume the other side is evil rather then work to achieve piece.
Completely and utterly 100% neutral.
But here's the thing. If the Whitehills wanted peace so badly, they wouldn't have gotten so worked up about sending Gared to the wall. It doesn't matter if it was his justice or not to do it, the deed has been done. He ultimately got what he wanted. I agree with you that Ramsay Snow was the driving factor for them going into war but this could have been avoided if he was satisfied with squire's punishment but, of course, he couldn't have been because the story wouldn't have progressed.
I'm convinced the Forresters would've done the same. If Gared was killed by Whitehills they'd want justice.
Based on what we were given about the Forresters, I don't think they'd go as far as the Whitehills. But, hey, opinions.
Anyway, to sum it all up, I just don't agree with Gwyn's methods.
I get not wanting peace but disliking Gwyn and saying she's delusional just doesn't make sense to me.
But alright, we shall agree to disagree.
I never said I disliked Gwyn??? I said I was neutral about her and didn't like her methods.
I was talking about fans in general when dislike. I get what you're saying.
Ah, okay.
Well, I have to admit that she didn't judge really well the situation between families, but I think she had not bad intentions, otherwise she wouldn't be in a determinant ending. She doesn't know every part of the story, so she has a different perspective of the situation, we should count that. Plus in westeros it is difficult for a woman being independent from her family, since she has no power in decisions. Gwyn is a strong woman, and literally did everything she could to bring peace and also made a strong decision choosing Asher before her family(but in case she didn't I don't think you can really blame her).
We don't dislike Gwyn. We want to see her guts spilled out on the floor as she begs for mercy.
its a very big problem with the telltale fanbase...
they want every character to be like a straight line who obeys their every command or just make em play em like idiots and think they re the ones in control
and then we have the other 20 per cent that actually try to see every perspective
I don't really have an opinion in her tbh. I'm just neutral.
Can you say exactly why...?