Greg percentage
so i just want to talk about how many people sold out greg ... its like ever since season 2 people dont care about any other character ... im guessing its probably due to Jane s lessons in season 2 but i would like to known: if you did sell out greg why did you do it?
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I apparently shared the blame because I first said that he's just scared and then told Norma to go fuck herself. Pretty weird, because I definitley didn't want to defend him. He and his sister were the reason why we got into the whole Monroe situation in the first place, so my compassion was pretty limited.
i took the blame because i known michonne s alive so she has plot armor so i used that to befriend characters that are obviosly not included in the carver character stereotype
They did get you in this mess, yeah, but it's odfor both sides to stick together in my opinion, because you're all captured together, so it'd be better to help eachother out. Best way to gain their trust or at least sympathy so they'd consider working with you? Take the blame.
Why on earth would we lie for this random person whos only prior interaction was pointing guns at us. There was no reason to trust them over this other group and definitely no reason to lie for them. Especially as he himself is lying and trying to blame us for everything. They got us involved to begin with
and how exactly are they lyng to you?
Yeah I did as well according to the stats and was a little confused when I saw it, that was certainly not my intention.
I just told the truth that I just met them, they pointed a Gun at Michonne. Fuck them XD they got them into this mess
They lie to Norma et al about how long with they've been with us and more. All make our situation worse, even so why on earth would I lie for this stranger who previously threatened us and attempted to steal our things
that actually depends on what you tell norma if you tell her you known them
them they tell her you dont known them.
also the thing with them being a stranger is probably because they were running away from Norma.
wait so you guys prefer someone who obviosly has the carver character archetype than people who dont steal and make massacres happen?
Wait... steal our things? Weren't we the ones who found a bag full of stuff and decided to take it with us? Also, imo Greg was never gonna shoot, nor would Sam. Too shaky hands for a killer. They were scared of us in my eyes. Which is understandable as they're both younger and on the run.
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Michonne tells the duo that she wants to take her possessions back that she put in the bag. Sam refuses and continues to point the gun at us
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Despite just being saved sam runs away with the bag of supplies, our stuff still inside
Also just because they dont intend to shoot doesn't mean they wont by mistake
It's not picking Norma over them, it's just telling the truth.
if they did the same thing thing could've gone better.
besides, I don't trust Sam. She's pretty good at lying.
As far as we know her group could have been the one who caused the massacre at the ferry.
We have no proof who did the massacre or why they did it.
Also who the fuck doesnt have carver archetypes in a leader? Name one leader from any walking dead adaptation who doesnt share qualities. Also a lot of evidence suggests Sam and Greg have stolen things
I also shared the blame as for one question we gave different answers for how many people were with us,
I didnt have the option to say We were in different groups and none of the others were any good so I stayed silent, this apparently counted as sharing the blame
Yes, we have no evidence. It may have been their group, or any random group we don't know.
Yeah exactly. I'll tell the truth in the hopes it'll get us out the situation. But I did tell Norma to go fuck herself
Isn't this our stuff the things we found on the shelves 10 seconds ago or did I legit miss something? If it's the shelf stuff, that's equally ours as it's theirs. Considering we were the ones who first tried to take said bag, they have the right to try and take whatever's in there with them.
No reason to lie except protecting the people on Michonne's boat. Didn't really appreciate Greg lying to everyone either. I'm sure these kids have good intentions, but they were dragging me into something bad.
ones who are not complete assholes with every decision?
well there s hershell when he was on the farm
there s rick who makes hard decisions but is not a complete jackass
there s Lee
there s Pete
want me to mention more?
Yes, but we found those things, there ours, it doesnt matter when we found them. Regardless, sam doesnt know when we found them. It could be our most valuable supplies in their and she just runs away after we saved her life. Even the bag and supplies themselves could have been split given all we just did for them however I would have been fine going on my way with what we had found.
Regardless I cant find one reason to lie for those two twats, but yet its apparently the selfish or evil if I dont. Nothing about this intial meeting gave me any evidence for me to side with them
I just said that we tried stealing from them too, so she evened the score.
On a side note, I don't see not lying for him as evil and/or selfish. More like personal choice of working alone or in your case just not trusting them.
Ah yes Hershel, who screamed at Lee to get off his farm. Hershel in any adaption is a poor leader anyway which is why he lets rick take over pretty quick
Are they even leaders? They are more just part of a group, Lee isnt a good leader anyway, his group is pretty much dead a few days after he takes charge
Your citing rick as someone whos nice to strangers? Season 3 rick was a damn psychopath, in season 2 they tortured that guy to find out information. The comic group has done just as bad if not worse. Even now Rick certainnly isnt that trusting of strangers which is fair enough.
So really most people you mentioned were not very good leaders or were not leaders and Rick and co have done similar things or worse, its what you need from an effective group. They have to be harsh at times. Nothing i've seen so far from this group is that bad by apocalypse standards and other groups we have met.
Gregory is the one that comes to mind.
I shared the blame, I guess. I told the truth in places and was evasive in others. I never lied but I got beat up for it anyway because that guy is an animal.
Gregory was a terrible leader though, Same as Deanna. They were peacetime leaders which doesn't work here
It wasn't selling Greg out. It was telling the truth. It's not my fault Greg decided to lie with a gun to his head. I'm not sticking my neck out and lying for these people who were pointing guns at me a couple hours prior.
I sold him. Useless piece of trash had this coming. I had no reason to be rude, except I do know that Norma's group killed a lot of innocent people and kids (Suddenly I'm getting either Season 1 or Season 2 flashbacks). I hate Greg and Sam so much, never felt concerned when he died and I didn't let Sam shoot Zachary.
I shared the blame with him. I didn't comply the first time Norma told me to ask a question, and I just dodged the question when she asked if Greg was lying.
To reiterate something I said in another thread, I don't think Greg was lying in an attempt to shift blame onto Michonne. I still think it's because he has no idea what we told Norma. We never got to talk to him, and we never got to decide on a story. Greg's just winging it with Norma, trying to get through the interrogation. It just happens that his story doesn't line up to ours. You have to consider that this kid knows nothing about Michonne. He has no way of knowing what she said, whether she lied or not, and he doesn't have much to base that off of to begin with.
I don't really blame the kid for lying. From his perspective, these are the bad guys, because like Norma says, Sam probably convinced him as much. She probably fed him the whole line about Norma and Randall, convinced him that they were bad people and to not trust them or tell them anything. To back that up, some of his lies actually sound more like an attempt to intimidate or threaten them, like him saying that there's more or them and that they're well-armed. It's obvious that he isn't all that confident in anything he's saying. He's trying to act tough, but it obviously isn't working out too well for him. And I think that was Norma's intention going in to it. She knew that Michonne and Greg would tell different stories, and could use that against them to try and weed the truth out. Obviously, it doesn't exactly go according to plan.
I'm thinking Greg might really be a victim in all this. Norma mentions Sam being a good liar, but she doesn't say the same about Greg. She barely even refers to Greg, mostly interacting with Samantha. In fact, she doesn't even seem to know his name to begin with ("Greg, is it?"). Randall doesn't seem familiar with him, either. Maybe Sam really did just rope Greg into whatever she did, and he truly doesn't have any idea what's going on.
This a bit unrelated, but kind of. I'm doing a scumbag playthrough of Episode 1, curse at Norma or sell out Greg? Which is more jerk-ish?
Sure, defend an idiot guy who wastes a bullet near people at gunpoint to make them fear him.
From my perspective, why would I help this kid?
Everyone here are strangers and I have no idea who is telling the truth or who to trust. I have no reason to help this kid, even if I did try to talk Norma down and it is clear Randall went too far, that's no good excuse to help Sam and Greg. Over time it becomes clear that Norma's group is likely dangerous, but that's all the more reason not to get on her bad side, at least not immediately. This has nothing to do with Jane, but how I feel about Greg and a lot of other TWD side characters, especially in the more recent stuff - we're never given a reason to care about them or trust them. Greg is a perfect example of this - he could be a lot of things, and given the situation, I was never given a reason to go out on a limb for the kid.
I am waiting for Sam to die next.
Actually, that's determinant. If you lie both times, then Greg will say the truth both times.
Okay, for all we knew, that duffel bag, and everything else in that room, was theirs.
Wow! His name was Greg?
Does it matter that they were terrible leaders? They still don't resemble Carver at all.
Norma can go fuck herself, took the blame, let Zachary get killed. Monroe is fucking with the wrong people.
That's a good question, and one I don't have an answer to. I suppose the more scumbaggy thing would be to sell out Greg, even though that's what I did. My interpretation would be that regardless of the situation, a scumbag would focus exclusively on saying and doing what would most likely benefit themselves. Given that, a scumbag would likely try to appease the people who have you tied up and are certainly willing to kill.
Now, an unthinking or possibly suicidal scumbag would probably just curse Norma out and refuse to co-operate. So I suppose it comes down to what kind of scumbag you want to play.