Too late. I (and I know many others are too) am already annoyed that Kenny's still alive when he should've died over and over and over again in the past, to the point that it's just plain stupid now that he's still alive.
Oh please. Kenny fans have already been favored; Kenny already died in season 1 and was already brought back to life just to please his fans… more, and he already had plot armor to the point of it being ridiculous throughout all of season 2. He should've died at the end of season 1; he should've died when Carver bashed his head in; he should've fallen through the ice and died when he went to get Arvo out of the broken ice (and then seconds later Clem/Bonnie falls through the ice and can die when doing the same thing Kenny did to try to get Luke out of the water); if logic were actually followed, Kenny should've died along with Clem and AJ in his endings when trying to look for Wellington in the freezing cold when he has no idea what state Wellington is even in.
Hell even in season 1, he gets shot in the same place that he gets shot at the end of season 2 which proves to be a fatal shot--right in his stomach--and he survives that gut shot in seas… [view original content]
Too late. I (and I know many others are too) am already annoyed that Kenny's still alive when he should've died over and over and over again in the past, to the point that it's just plain stupid now that he's still alive.
I'll get the violin
Not trying to get into (another) argument with you, but why do you think that? @sialark has been talking about Kenny since the begining, he/she doesn't insult Kenny's fans even once...
I wasn't saying he/she did or does insult the Kenny fans but it just comes across in sialark's posts that he/she really doesn't like them because their views are different to his/her's, it just seems he/she is more extreme than other Jane fans that's all but hey that's fine because obviously there are Kenny fans who feel the same way
Not trying to get into (another) argument with you, but why do you think that? @sialark has been talking about Kenny since the begining, he/she doesn't insult Kenny's fans even once...
"She got development ou of nowhere" - Dude, what? I mean don't all the characters get development out of nowhere? It seems that you prefered that they had another underused character that was just there?
"she made us forget about Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca" - Well, I surely didn't forget about them, but even if that was the case I'm unable to see how that's Jane's fault and not the writers. For example, with your logic I can demonize Sarah for getting development in Ep3. "Why did Sarah got developed? They should be focusing on Carlos, Rebecca and Nick!!!" - would that make sense to you?
You're trying really hard to make her "the ruin of Season 2".
You're right. She does stay in the background for most of episode 3. But Kenny has had heavy involvement in all 9 episodes. Not gonna lie, without him, season 1 wouldn't be the same.. But to say having Jane last all season long would be unfair to Kenny fans is just incorrect.
But, I think the best method would be to throw both Jane, and Kenny out of the picture and start fresh
I disagree. I didn't forget about Rebecca, in fact she got a decent amount of development. I mean she DID give birth you know. I forgot about Nick in episode 3, considering he had like three lines. The only person I remotely agree with you is Sarah. She was basically just there to prove Jane's point. As for Luke, I found Jane way more interesting than him and she was just introduced an episode ago. Other than that, everything else should be blamed on the writers. I don't see how Jane getting development "out of nowhere" killed off the characters you listed.
First of all, Jane was introduced in mid-season, not in premiere. She got development for no reason when we still had Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca. Off, you think I thought Jane was NOT coming from the writers? J.T. Petty, main writer of episode 4, deserves no money.
"She got development ou of nowhere" - Dude, what? I mean don't all the characters get development out of nowhere? It seems that you prefered… more that they had another underused character that was just there?
"she made us forget about Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca" - Well, I surely didn't forget about them, but even if that was the case I'm unable to see how that's Jane's fault and not the writers. For example, with your logic I can demonize Sarah for getting development in Ep3. "Why did Sarah got developed? They should be focusing on Carlos, Rebecca and Nick!!!" - would that make sense to you?
You're trying really hard to make her "the ruin of Season 2".
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else over time, or find another character/situation to nitpick for years on end. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.
Oh please. Kenny fans have already been favored; Kenny already died in season 1 and was already brought back to life just to please his fans… more, and he already had plot armor to the point of it being ridiculous throughout all of season 2. He should've died at the end of season 1; he should've died when Carver bashed his head in; he should've fallen through the ice and died when he went to get Arvo out of the broken ice (and then seconds later Clem/Bonnie falls through the ice and can die when doing the same thing Kenny did to try to get Luke out of the water); if logic were actually followed, Kenny should've died along with Clem and AJ in his endings when trying to look for Wellington in the freezing cold when he has no idea what state Wellington is even in.
Hell even in season 1, he gets shot in the same place that he gets shot at the end of season 2 which proves to be a fatal shot--right in his stomach--and he survives that gut shot in seas… [view original content]
Here's the only way I want Lilly back. We stumble on to an RV, Inside we find a female Walker with a W carved in its head. We cut off its arms and lower jaw, then name our cow catcher Lilly! Or we can just find her corpse. Ethier way, Jane is too big a plot hole to just leave open. So I vote her,(if your Kenny did'nt destroy her);)
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else over time, or find another character/situation to nitpick for years on end. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else over time, or find another character/situation to nitpick for years on end. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.
The gunshot in S2 went through his chest/upper abdomen (you can see a big bloody spot on his chest/abdomen after you shoot him), while the shot in Starved For Help clipped him in his flank/side
Oh please. Kenny fans have already been favored; Kenny already died in season 1 and was already brought back to life just to please his fans… more, and he already had plot armor to the point of it being ridiculous throughout all of season 2. He should've died at the end of season 1; he should've died when Carver bashed his head in; he should've fallen through the ice and died when he went to get Arvo out of the broken ice (and then seconds later Clem/Bonnie falls through the ice and can die when doing the same thing Kenny did to try to get Luke out of the water); if logic were actually followed, Kenny should've died along with Clem and AJ in his endings when trying to look for Wellington in the freezing cold when he has no idea what state Wellington is even in.
Hell even in season 1, he gets shot in the same place that he gets shot at the end of season 2 which proves to be a fatal shot--right in his stomach--and he survives that gut shot in seas… [view original content]
^Agreed, honestly I just don't want people getting their hopes up and being disappointed with the end result. We've already seen determinant… more characters be treated with less care than a box of animal fiescies. Don't be surprised if we get a Nick in a fence.
I don't really blame the writers entirely, either. If you forget about a character, it is also your fault. I've come across people who don't remember half of the names on Season 2.
She got development out of nowhere in episode 4 and she made us forget about Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca
It's the writers that are at fault, not the character.
But then that would still bring the writers to fault wouldn't it? Because they failed to make the characters memorable to the audience. I keep forgetting Reggie even existed! T_T
I don't really blame the writers entirely, either. If you forget about a character, it is also your fault. I've come across people who don't remember half of the names on Season 2.
The writers are at fault, too. It's really a matter of opinion whether a character is memorable. Most of us seem to agree that Reggie is easy to forget, LOL.
All the minor characters at Howe's stuck to me for some reason.
But then that would still bring the writers to fault wouldn't it? Because they failed to make the characters memorable to the audience. I keep forgetting Reggie even existed! T_T
You remember at the time they did a Reggie video where they talked about him and the voice actor? XD he didn't even make it through HALF the episode!
You mean the 400 Days characters? I miss those guys. At least, I'd like to know what happened to them. They didn't contribute much of anything other than cameos
The writers are at fault, too. It's really a matter of opinion whether a character is memorable. Most of us seem to agree that Reggie is easy to forget, LOL.
All the minor characters at Howe's stuck to me for some reason.
The footage they uploaded of Reggie was more or less half of his total screentime, which was barely around 5 or 10 minutes in total to begin with.
Makes you wonder why the writers bothered with advertising his character and the voice actor if Reggie was pretty much irrelevant to the story in the first place.
You remember at the time they did a Reggie video where they talked about him and the voice actor? XD he didn't even make it through HALF the… more episode!
You mean the 400 Days characters? I miss those guys. At least, I'd like to know what happened to them. They didn't contribute much of anything other than cameos
Yeah, it was IGN's. Kumail Nanjiani barely said anything about Reggie during the interview; we should've known to expect him not to be a big character. And I was actually thinking about those who we saw once during the episode—Tyler, Lowell, Vera, Hank and Tisha.
You remember at the time they did a Reggie video where they talked about him and the voice actor? XD he didn't even make it through HALF the… more episode!
You mean the 400 Days characters? I miss those guys. At least, I'd like to know what happened to them. They didn't contribute much of anything other than cameos
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else
Sorry to break it to you, but there's always going to be people who disagree with you about things, no matter where you go in the world and no matter what you do. Better get used to it.
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else over time, or find another character/situation to nitpick for years on end. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.
you REALLY Dont like anyone who likes other people then Jane, especially Kenny, dont you?
As I've said before, this is a big fat assumption and you're basically making things up about me that I frankly do not appreciate in the slightest.
you REALLY Dont like anyone who likes other people then Jane
I don't have any problems with people who like characters other than Jane, such as Bonnie, Luke, Arvo, Lee, hell any character. That includes Kenny too. I like some people here who like Kenny, such as @Deltino and @prink34320 . What I do have a problem with is when people are rude enough to me that they deserve to get banned or their comments have to be deleted for their attitude towards me personally, and when they make unfair assumptions about me to the point that it derails an entire thread. I've never attacked you or anyone else on these forums personally (I've never been banned once for my 1 1/2 years here thank you very much and I've never even gotten a warning, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.) I'd be lying if I said there was no one on these forums who annoyed me, but it's also an absolute lie to claim that I hate all people who like Kenny just because I say I don't want Kenny in the game.
And as I've stated before, I don't think Kenny really deserves to be in the entirety of season 3, as he was basically forced back into the grand majority of season 2, whether the player wanted him there or not. In season 2, his overbearing presence didn't allow for the other characters to evolve as much; he went through the same exact character arc in losing Sarita, a Katjaa-like figure again and then dealing with the aftermath of that; he should've died a thousand times over due to his own idiotic mistakes and yet the writers kept him in the game (though if there was any logic applied to his situations whatsoever he would've died time and time again.) The final Season 2 decision basically boiled down to pushing the player over and over and over and over again to the point that you literally have to shoot Kenny when he's finally pushed the player too far. That was Telltale's exact strategy: annoy the player with Kenny until the player says, "That's it! I can't take it anymore! You're done!" and you can shoot him. Finally, Kenny's received about 7 different good-byes from both season 1 and season 2 (1. getting Christa out of the building, 2. staying with Ben, 3. shoot Kenny in his side and he has an "emotional" death speech, 4. leave Kenny at the car and go alone, 5. shoot Kenny in the head, 6. leave Kenny and enter Wellington after another "emotional" speech, 7. leave Wellington and go with Kenny after that "emotional" speech) and frankly I don't see how Kenny fans can't be satisfied with that. You can leave Kenny in any way you wish; he gets (albeit ridiculously corny) "emotional" speeches and the longest endings of season 2; and many Kenny fans agree that the Wellington endings seem to be the most conclusive endings, a perfect place to end a story. So why not end it there?
over obsessed fans
This is just the best, really. You respond to my post, which I've backed up with things that have actually happened in the game, with no facts from the actual game, but by insulting me instead? Very nice, kid.
you REALLY Dont like anyone who likes other people then Jane, especially Kenny, dont you? Jeez relax, this is the reason why most people do … morenot like Jane, or Kenny for that matter, because of the over obsessed fans that either love one and hate the other, and say that the one doesn't deserve to be in the next game.
I don't understand how I was being rude to you. I was just trying to explain that determinant characters have always died and will likely continue to. No matter what some fans will likely be upset with the end result of this choice no matter what. All I'm saying is to try to lower expectations
you REALLY Dont like anyone who likes other people then Jane, especially Kenny, dont you?
As I've said before, this is a big fat ass… moreumption and you're basically making things up about me that I frankly do not appreciate in the slightest.
you REALLY Dont like anyone who likes other people then Jane
I don't have any problems with people who like characters other than Jane, such as Bonnie, Luke, Arvo, Lee, hell any character. That includes Kenny too. I like some people here who like Kenny, such as @Deltino and @prink34320 . What I do have a problem with is when people are rude enough to me that they deserve to get banned or their comments have to be deleted for their attitude towards me personally, and when they make unfair assumptions about me to the point that it derails an entire thread. I've never attacked you or anyone else on these forums personally (I've never been banned once for my 1 1/2 years here thank you very m… [view original content]
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I'll get the violin
You're not doing yourselves any favors by reacting this way either.
She's also safe and sound at Howe's, because
there are no canon endings.
Lmao, its clearly said in the sentence.
Not trying to get into (another) argument with you, but why do you think that? @sialark has been talking about Kenny since the begining, he/she doesn't insult Kenny's fans even once...
Neither should Jane. She is the reason the main characters of Season 2 died.
They got him for 9 episodes and Jane's only been in 2 -_-
I wasn't saying he/she did or does insult the Kenny fans but it just comes across in sialark's posts that he/she really doesn't like them because their views are different to his/her's, it just seems he/she is more extreme than other Jane fans that's all but hey that's fine because obviously there are Kenny fans who feel the same way
Please tell me how anyone's death was her fault? Don't bring up Sarah.
So? They're both determinant. I still can't believe people think determinant characters are meant to last all season
I never said that. I wish she could last all season long though
Shes actually been in 3 eps lol but it's quality not quantity
She got development out of nowhere in episode 4 and she made us forget about Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca.
"She got development ou of nowhere" - Dude, what? I mean don't all the characters get development out of nowhere? It seems that you prefered that they had another underused character that was just there?
"she made us forget about Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca" - Well, I surely didn't forget about them, but even if that was the case I'm unable to see how that's Jane's fault and not the writers. For example, with your logic I can demonize Sarah for getting development in Ep3. "Why did Sarah got developed? They should be focusing on Carlos, Rebecca and Nick!!!" - would that make sense to you?
You're trying really hard to make her "the ruin of Season 2".
You're right. She does stay in the background for most of episode 3. But Kenny has had heavy involvement in all 9 episodes. Not gonna lie, without him, season 1 wouldn't be the same.. But to say having Jane last all season long would be unfair to Kenny fans is just incorrect.
But, I think the best method would be to throw both Jane, and Kenny out of the picture and start fresh
I disagree. I didn't forget about Rebecca, in fact she got a decent amount of development. I mean she DID give birth you know. I forgot about Nick in episode 3, considering he had like three lines. The only person I remotely agree with you is Sarah. She was basically just there to prove Jane's point. As for Luke, I found Jane way more interesting than him and she was just introduced an episode ago. Other than that, everything else should be blamed on the writers. I don't see how Jane getting development "out of nowhere" killed off the characters you listed.
Even though we knew NOTHING about her in episode 3.
First of all, Jane was introduced in mid-season, not in premiere. She got development for no reason when we still had Luke, Nick, Sarah and Rebecca. Off, you think I thought Jane was NOT coming from the writers? J.T. Petty, main writer of episode 4, deserves no money.
It's the writers that are at fault, not the character.
I ditched this forum for a while, hoping the Kenny-haters would migrate somewhere else over time, or find another character/situation to nitpick for years on end. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.
Here's the only way I want Lilly back. We stumble on to an RV, Inside we find a female Walker with a W carved in its head. We cut off its arms and lower jaw, then name our cow catcher Lilly! Or we can just find her corpse. Ethier way, Jane is too big a plot hole to just leave open. So I vote her,(if your Kenny did'nt destroy her);)
Just a friendly reminder, I'd like to ask that discussion please be kept civil. Thanks!
They did stop for a while, but I guess Season 3 hype sparked discussion back up.
Migrate where exactly?
Actually, it's not the same place
The gunshot in S2 went through his chest/upper abdomen (you can see a big bloody spot on his chest/abdomen after you shoot him), while the shot in Starved For Help clipped him in his flank/side
Unfortunately, its gonna happen and people are going to be pissed and not realize it was there own pipe dream and just blame Telltale.
I don't really blame the writers entirely, either. If you forget about a character, it is also your fault. I've come across people who don't remember half of the names on Season 2.
i believe jane is cooming for season 3 she is not as stubborn as lili
But then that would still bring the writers to fault wouldn't it? Because they failed to make the characters memorable to the audience. I keep forgetting Reggie even existed! T_T
The writers are at fault, too. It's really a matter of opinion whether a character is memorable. Most of us seem to agree that Reggie is easy to forget, LOL.
All the minor characters at Howe's stuck to me for some reason.
You remember at the time they did a Reggie video where they talked about him and the voice actor? XD he didn't even make it through HALF the episode!
You mean the 400 Days characters? I miss those guys. At least, I'd like to know what happened to them. They didn't contribute much of anything other than cameos
The footage they uploaded of Reggie was more or less half of his total screentime, which was barely around 5 or 10 minutes in total to begin with.
Makes you wonder why the writers bothered with advertising his character and the voice actor if Reggie was pretty much irrelevant to the story in the first place.
Yeah, it was IGN's. Kumail Nanjiani barely said anything about Reggie during the interview; we should've known to expect him not to be a big character. And I was actually thinking about those who we saw once during the episode—Tyler, Lowell, Vera, Hank and Tisha.
just have to ask is your name a mix of Eminem and Clementine, if so we need to be friends now.
they might make different paths depending on which ending you had
so out of the girl who shot Omid and Arno you hate Lily and Jane?
Jane. I Need so much more of Jane.
Sorry to break it to you, but there's always going to be people who disagree with you about things, no matter where you go in the world and no matter what you do. Better get used to it.
As I've said before, this is a big fat assumption and you're basically making things up about me that I frankly do not appreciate in the slightest.
I don't have any problems with people who like characters other than Jane, such as Bonnie, Luke, Arvo, Lee, hell any character. That includes Kenny too. I like some people here who like Kenny, such as @Deltino and @prink34320 . What I do have a problem with is when people are rude enough to me that they deserve to get banned or their comments have to be deleted for their attitude towards me personally, and when they make unfair assumptions about me to the point that it derails an entire thread. I've never attacked you or anyone else on these forums personally (I've never been banned once for my 1 1/2 years here thank you very much and I've never even gotten a warning, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.) I'd be lying if I said there was no one on these forums who annoyed me, but it's also an absolute lie to claim that I hate all people who like Kenny just because I say I don't want Kenny in the game.
And as I've stated before, I don't think Kenny really deserves to be in the entirety of season 3, as he was basically forced back into the grand majority of season 2, whether the player wanted him there or not. In season 2, his overbearing presence didn't allow for the other characters to evolve as much; he went through the same exact character arc in losing Sarita, a Katjaa-like figure again and then dealing with the aftermath of that; he should've died a thousand times over due to his own idiotic mistakes and yet the writers kept him in the game (though if there was any logic applied to his situations whatsoever he would've died time and time again.) The final Season 2 decision basically boiled down to pushing the player over and over and over and over again to the point that you literally have to shoot Kenny when he's finally pushed the player too far. That was Telltale's exact strategy: annoy the player with Kenny until the player says, "That's it! I can't take it anymore! You're done!" and you can shoot him. Finally, Kenny's received about 7 different good-byes from both season 1 and season 2 (1. getting Christa out of the building, 2. staying with Ben, 3. shoot Kenny in his side and he has an "emotional" death speech, 4. leave Kenny at the car and go alone, 5. shoot Kenny in the head, 6. leave Kenny and enter Wellington after another "emotional" speech, 7. leave Wellington and go with Kenny after that "emotional" speech) and frankly I don't see how Kenny fans can't be satisfied with that. You can leave Kenny in any way you wish; he gets (albeit ridiculously corny) "emotional" speeches and the longest endings of season 2; and many Kenny fans agree that the Wellington endings seem to be the most conclusive endings, a perfect place to end a story. So why not end it there?
This is just the best, really. You respond to my post, which I've backed up with things that have actually happened in the game, with no facts from the actual game, but by insulting me instead? Very nice, kid.
I don't understand how I was being rude to you. I was just trying to explain that determinant characters have always died and will likely continue to. No matter what some fans will likely be upset with the end result of this choice no matter what. All I'm saying is to try to lower expectations