God that morgan speech really highlights how ridiculous the character is.
"Its a circle rick, that girl who was only in danger because of… more my actions was saved by the psychopath who kidnapped her in the first place so she could save carl, aren't I great?"
Every character was acting dumb this episode.
There is a difference between "people can change" and keeping a killer alive with barely any restraints inside your community after he already tried to kill yoou several times. Morgans cell thing he built would be fine with a full time guard but not then during a time of crisis. There are limits
Would Carl still be alive if Owen was killed before?
If morgan had killed those wolves they never would have found the community as they never would have found aarons bag. But thats going a bit far back, if morgan had killed the wolf at the community, denise would just be at the infirmary.
Second: look man i could go on and on and ON about why it does or can or is but many fans argue about that daily and are better at explaining it. So ill just accept that you have a different opinión on it and thats ok. However i will say that Rick almost killed a guy because 'he doesn't take chances' eventhought he could have been an innocent.
Third: ok now that i reread my comment i once again want apologize. People have driven me insane with your argument and the constant 'Daryl is Dead OMG' fans that didn't pay attention.
And Fourth: Fair point again. I think that Carol is losing it, period. Shes very clearly suffering from ptsd and not telling anyone which has isolated her from the group. I do think that they have some big plan for Carol and Morgan in Season 7 and the writters thought it made sense to do it like this.
I think we agree on the rest. Again sorry if i went off line. And thank you for replying.
So you're saying Morgan is ridiculous because he was right?
But hes not right, the wolf trying to save denise after being the reason… more she was about to die in the first place doesnt make him right. Morgan has a good philosophy in theory but it doesnt work in reality, at least not to that degree. Also the way he talks and acts like a jedi make it worse.
Also i am getting as tired of saying this as the Daryl thing. It's not being an idiot, its being well written:
What?
Carols development to this point has been building up for the Season.
Like morgan on paper it sounds like a great arc, carol gets upset with all the killing and has to leave but in reality thats beyond ridiculous. Shes leaving to where there will only be more killing, its not like everyone in alexandria has to kill all the time, Maggie said she was done too. And as such she is now staying in the safe zone. Also even if the arc made sense what she… [view original content]
Why are you always thinking bad things?
What do you mean?
Morgan was right. People can change.
There is a difference b… moreetween "people can change" and keeping a killer alive with barely any restraints inside your community after he already tried to kill yoou several times. Morgans cell thing he built would be fine with a full time guard but not then during a time of crisis. There are limits
Would Carl still be alive if Owen was killed before?
If morgan had killed those wolves they never would have found the community as they never would have found aarons bag. But thats going a bit far back, if morgan had killed the wolf at the community, denise would just be at the infirmary.
Finally saw the episode. Jeez, that was harsh Dwight. Anyway, I think I have a fear of characters giving speeches out in the open now. Hey, … moreat least one Savior survived. Carol is kind of like what, and yeah. I liked the protein bar reference, and Negan is finally showing up!
Why are you always thinking bad things?
What do you mean?
Morgan was right. People can change.
There is a difference b… moreetween "people can change" and keeping a killer alive with barely any restraints inside your community after he already tried to kill yoou several times. Morgans cell thing he built would be fine with a full time guard but not then during a time of crisis. There are limits
Would Carl still be alive if Owen was killed before?
If morgan had killed those wolves they never would have found the community as they never would have found aarons bag. But thats going a bit far back, if morgan had killed the wolf at the community, denise would just be at the infirmary.
Ok so I just want to adress the whole "Cliff Hanger" things.
It obviously won't happen for the simple reason of, hey do you know how to play eenie meenie miney mo? Congrats! You know who died!
To be perfectly honest when you really think about it there has been NO concequences to Morgan not killing people so far. Think about, none.
Rick almost died when morgan let that entire group leave with a gun. Its only because rick is such a killing machine. Also as I said yes they may have found it anyway but every death those two wolves caused could have been prevented.
I dont think the group should kill unless they have to, but morgans way is just not viable in that world
Well to be fair the Wolves would have found the bag anyway.
To be perfectly honest when you really think about it there has been NO concequences to Morgan not killing people so far. Think about, none.
To be perfectly honest when you really think about it there has been NO concequences to Morgan not killing people so far. Think about, none.… more
Rick almost died when morgan let that entire group leave with a gun. Its only because rick is such a killing machine. Also as I said yes they may have found it anyway but every death those two wolves caused could have been prevented.
I dont think the group should kill unless they have to, but morgans way is just not viable in that world
However i will say that Rick almost killed a guy because 'he doesn't take chances' eventhought he could have been an innocent.
I dont quite get why people think because I hate morgan and his hippy attitude i'm 100% behind killing everyone they meet. Ricks been acting real cold lately and thats no better
I think we agree on the rest. Again sorry if i went off line. And thank you for replying.
Its fine, you dont have to keep apologizing I didnt think/find anything you posted was rude. Sorry if you felt I was but it wasnt intended.
First: sorry if i was rude in my comment.
Second: look man i could go on and on and ON about why it does or can or is but many fans argue… more about that daily and are better at explaining it. So ill just accept that you have a different opinión on it and thats ok. However i will say that Rick almost killed a guy because 'he doesn't take chances' eventhought he could have been an innocent.
Third: ok now that i reread my comment i once again want apologize. People have driven me insane with your argument and the constant 'Daryl is Dead OMG' fans that didn't pay attention.
And Fourth: Fair point again. I think that Carol is losing it, period. Shes very clearly suffering from ptsd and not telling anyone which has isolated her from the group. I do think that they have some big plan for Carol and Morgan in Season 7 and the writters thought it made sense to do it like this.
I think we agree on the rest. Again sorry if i went off line. And thank you for replying.
So a few things. The fact that we've not got another fakeout-death, makes me more confident in thinking that we will know who gets the Negan treatment. Secondly, did any of you guys notice another foreshadowing for Glenn? I saw it on reddit:
Yaaaaay! The Leader Maggie haircut is here to stay!
I'm also wondering, who is going to be in "Negan's lineup"? It seems like we've got Glenn, Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne. But what about Rick? Or Morgan or Carol for that matter? And what about Tara and Heath? I'm hoping that Heath at least can be there for the scene.
Finally saw the episode. Jeez, that was harsh Dwight. Anyway, I think I have a fear of characters giving speeches out in the open now. Hey, … moreat least one Savior survived. Carol is kind of like what, and yeah. I liked the protein bar reference, and Negan is finally showing up!
Yeah, I dont have a problem with it. I imagine it must take years to grow dreads that long so she probably doesnt want to cut it. Any woman can understand that lol
Yaaaaay! The Leader Maggie haircut is here to stay!
I'm also wondering, who is going to be in "Negan's lineup"? It seems like we've got … moreGlenn, Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne. But what about Rick? Or Morgan or Carol for that matter? And what about Tara and Heath? I'm hoping that Heath at least can be there for the scene.
At least you guys arent going on about how Rick and Michonne should not be together for a whole bunch of ridiculous reasons that really only amount to one.
I personally feel more sorry for her than proud, I'd feel more proud of her if it wasn't for her current state of mind where she doesn't want to kill people anymore.
Yaaaaay! The Leader Maggie haircut is here to stay!
I'm also wondering, who is going to be in "Negan's lineup"? It seems like we've got … moreGlenn, Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne. But what about Rick? Or Morgan or Carol for that matter? And what about Tara and Heath? I'm hoping that Heath at least can be there for the scene.
I know, Im just kidding. I thought it was a sweet moment. Also, I remember her eating chips ("Mat said welcome.") not a candy bar. I guess she just snatched one lol.
I personally feel more sorry for her than proud, I'd feel more proud of her if it wasn't for her current state of mind where she doesn't want to kill people anymore.
According to the trailer: Abraham, Rick, Carl, Maggie, Eugene, Aaron and Sasha. And i would assume everyone captured: Daryl, Glenn, Michonne and Rosita
And maybe Enid though i haven't seen her anywhere.
Yaaaaay! The Leader Maggie haircut is here to stay!
I'm also wondering, who is going to be in "Negan's lineup"? It seems like we've got … moreGlenn, Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne. But what about Rick? Or Morgan or Carol for that matter? And what about Tara and Heath? I'm hoping that Heath at least can be there for the scene.
At least you guys arent going on about how Rick and Michonne should not be together for a whole bunch of ridiculous reasons that really only amount to one.
However i will say that Rick almost killed a guy because 'he doesn't take chances' eventhought he could have been an innocent.
I don… moret quite get why people think because I hate morgan and his hippy attitude i'm 100% behind killing everyone they meet. Ricks been acting real cold lately and thats no better
I think we agree on the rest. Again sorry if i went off line. And thank you for replying.
Its fine, you dont have to keep apologizing I didnt think/find anything you posted was rude. Sorry if you felt I was but it wasnt intended.
What if it's Morgan who bites the bullet when Negan shows up? Since Morgan is so against killing, just as Dale was, it would almost make sense for him to get caught, and then get bludgeoned to death.
I'm really worried about the ending being a cliffhanger, the more I think about it and the more people talk about how they made a big change in the scene from the comics and people getting excited at the end the more I think that it will happen. Why would people be excited and hooked instead of traumatized if they'd just watched a beloved character get their head bashed to bits? Ugh this is really starting to bother me.
Also I'm having a bizarre suspicion that Aaron will receive Lucille. He's in the lineup for no reason whatsoever and the show has been really reluctant to kill off important characters as of late. Denise, a relatively minor character, received the death of major comic character with barely any development before the episode. If Aaron dies the scene will be completely wasted, as will the character and the actor. But think about it. Daryl sure as hell ain't dying, Glenn isn't going to die to keep it unpredictable, Abraham was just spared his comic death, Rick and Carl aren't dying for obvious reasons, I doubt AMC would allow a woman die in such a fashion, Eugene is crucial to the story later on and Morgan isn't even in the lineup as far as we can tell. Which leaves one possibility: Aaron. Hopefully I missed someone key or they prove me wrong, but I have a sinking feeling we're in for a massive disappointment.
Sorry for the long post, I get carried away. Now someone please show me I'm being paranoid.
What if it's Morgan who bites the bullet when Negan shows up? Since Morgan is so against killing, just as Dale was, it would almost make sense for him to get caught, and then get bludgeoned to death.
No it won't be Aaron. It HAS to be a main character. Daryl and Glenn are the most predicted.
For the scene to be effective it has to be a main character. And my prediction up until very recently was Daryl, but Gimple seems to be pandering to the twitter and tumblr crowds as of late (Richonne was insanely popular on those and it happened out of nowhere) and we all know how much they love Daryl. Kirkman's talk of the scene being unpredictable pretty much rules out Glenn unless he's trolling hard. If it's to be a main character, I'd say Abraham is the safest bet. He's received a ton of attention lately and would have a lasting impact without causing a shitstorm. It'd be a bit a bit of a cop out IMO, but at least it's not Aaron.
As for cliffhanger or not, just check Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan's comments on the finale.
I've seen them, and it makes me confident who was killed was in the script and they filmed it. After all, they wouldn't have an actor show up just to film their head being bludgeoned in. Whether the footage is used for the finale or saved for the premiere remains to be seen.
No it won't be Aaron. It HAS to be a main character. Daryl and Glenn are the most predicted.
As for cliffhanger or not, just check Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan's comments on the finale.
Its amazing what fans focus on.
Lets see here: Deep philosophical arguments, multilayered characters, Intense action and gore, amazing st… moreories, ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
What do fans complain about? "I really hate this couple." "Totally not OTP" "THAT WASN'T IN THE COMICS"
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Why are you always thinking bad things? Morgan was right. People can change. Would Carl still be alive if Owen was killed before?
What do you mean?
There is a difference between "people can change" and keeping a killer alive with barely any restraints inside your community after he already tried to kill yoou several times. Morgans cell thing he built would be fine with a full time guard but not then during a time of crisis. There are limits
If morgan had killed those wolves they never would have found the community as they never would have found aarons bag. But thats going a bit far back, if morgan had killed the wolf at the community, denise would just be at the infirmary.
First: sorry if i was rude in my comment.
Second: look man i could go on and on and ON about why it does or can or is but many fans argue about that daily and are better at explaining it. So ill just accept that you have a different opinión on it and thats ok. However i will say that Rick almost killed a guy because 'he doesn't take chances' eventhought he could have been an innocent.
Third: ok now that i reread my comment i once again want apologize. People have driven me insane with your argument and the constant 'Daryl is Dead OMG' fans that didn't pay attention.
And Fourth: Fair point again. I think that Carol is losing it, period. Shes very clearly suffering from ptsd and not telling anyone which has isolated her from the group. I do think that they have some big plan for Carol and Morgan in Season 7 and the writters thought it made sense to do it like this.
I think we agree on the rest. Again sorry if i went off line. And thank you for replying.
You seem to not like/love anything
Based off what?
I dont like the morgan character, I dont see how that means I dont like anything
I noticed something.
People complain about speaches but when you actually count how many you lisen to daily.......its a preaty big number.
Ok so I just want to adress the whole "Cliff Hanger" things.
It obviously won't happen for the simple reason of, hey do you know how to play eenie meenie miney mo? Congrats! You know who died!
Well to be fair the Wolves would have found the bag anyway.
To be perfectly honest when you really think about it there has been NO concequences to Morgan not killing people so far. Think about, none.
Still. The fear is real. There is the possibility AMC executives decide to risk ruining the secene by milking it.
Rick almost died when morgan let that entire group leave with a gun. Its only because rick is such a killing machine. Also as I said yes they may have found it anyway but every death those two wolves caused could have been prevented.
I dont think the group should kill unless they have to, but morgans way is just not viable in that world
Ok then.
I dont quite get why people think because I hate morgan and his hippy attitude i'm 100% behind killing everyone they meet. Ricks been acting real cold lately and thats no better
Its fine, you dont have to keep apologizing I didnt think/find anything you posted was rude. Sorry if you felt I was but it wasnt intended.
So a few things. The fact that we've not got another fakeout-death, makes me more confident in thinking that we will know who gets the Negan treatment. Secondly, did any of you guys notice another foreshadowing for Glenn? I saw it on reddit:
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Yaaaaay! The Leader Maggie haircut is here to stay!
I'm also wondering, who is going to be in "Negan's lineup"? It seems like we've got Glenn, Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne. But what about Rick? Or Morgan or Carol for that matter? And what about Tara and Heath? I'm hoping that Heath at least can be there for the scene.
I hope they get to have it with all of them safe and sound in Alexandria.
Im preatty sure Morgan, Michonne and Rick are the safest.
That wasnt a speech so much as an argument. When you get heated up, you dont think about trying to find some nice secluded spot to fight.
Yeah, I dont have a problem with it. I imagine it must take years to grow dreads that long so she probably doesnt want to cut it. Any woman can understand that lol
Im not terribly certain about Morgan.
She's got her warrior hair. Enid is pretty good with those scissors, huh? Lol.
I just really really hope she's not losing the baby.
At least you guys arent going on about how Rick and Michonne should not be together for a whole bunch of ridiculous reasons that really only amount to one.
I personally feel more sorry for her than proud, I'd feel more proud of her if it wasn't for her current state of mind where she doesn't want to kill people anymore.
Morgan did save Rick's life lol
I have a feeling that Carol will end up bumping into someone from the Kingdom and on Morgan's way to find her he ends up bumping into Heath and Tara.
I know, Im just kidding. I thought it was a sweet moment. Also, I remember her eating chips ("Mat said welcome.") not a candy bar. I guess she just snatched one lol.
I am. There's no point in killing him now.
She still has to protect herself and her friends. She uses her ability to get people to underestimate her to good advantage.
Hope youre right but we'll see. Maybe he will just disappear for awhile.
According to the trailer: Abraham, Rick, Carl, Maggie, Eugene, Aaron and Sasha. And i would assume everyone captured: Daryl, Glenn, Michonne and Rosita
And maybe Enid though i haven't seen her anywhere.
Its amazing what fans focus on.
Lets see here: Deep philosophical arguments, multilayered characters, Intense action and gore, amazing stories, ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
What do fans complain about? "I really hate this couple." "Totally not OTP" "THAT WASN'T IN THE COMICS"
Yep. I think hes getting paranoid.
Thank you. It's just that the fandom has gotten very hostile lately especially in controversial topics like Morgan.
What if it's Morgan who bites the bullet when Negan shows up? Since Morgan is so against killing, just as Dale was, it would almost make sense for him to get caught, and then get bludgeoned to death.
I'm really worried about the ending being a cliffhanger, the more I think about it and the more people talk about how they made a big change in the scene from the comics and people getting excited at the end the more I think that it will happen. Why would people be excited and hooked instead of traumatized if they'd just watched a beloved character get their head bashed to bits? Ugh this is really starting to bother me.
Also I'm having a bizarre suspicion that Aaron will receive Lucille. He's in the lineup for no reason whatsoever and the show has been really reluctant to kill off important characters as of late. Denise, a relatively minor character, received the death of major comic character with barely any development before the episode. If Aaron dies the scene will be completely wasted, as will the character and the actor. But think about it. Daryl sure as hell ain't dying, Glenn isn't going to die to keep it unpredictable, Abraham was just spared his comic death, Rick and Carl aren't dying for obvious reasons, I doubt AMC would allow a woman die in such a fashion, Eugene is crucial to the story later on and Morgan isn't even in the lineup as far as we can tell. Which leaves one possibility: Aaron. Hopefully I missed someone key or they prove me wrong, but I have a sinking feeling we're in for a massive disappointment.
Sorry for the long post, I get carried away. Now someone please show me I'm being paranoid.
Morgan seems to be avoiding the Negan plot altogether. A popular rumor is that he'll encounter 'something' equally awesome.
No it won't be Aaron. It HAS to be a main character. Daryl and Glenn are the most predicted.
As for cliffhanger or not, just check Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan's comments on the finale.
For the scene to be effective it has to be a main character. And my prediction up until very recently was Daryl, but Gimple seems to be pandering to the twitter and tumblr crowds as of late (Richonne was insanely popular on those and it happened out of nowhere) and we all know how much they love Daryl. Kirkman's talk of the scene being unpredictable pretty much rules out Glenn unless he's trolling hard. If it's to be a main character, I'd say Abraham is the safest bet. He's received a ton of attention lately and would have a lasting impact without causing a shitstorm. It'd be a bit a bit of a cop out IMO, but at least it's not Aaron.
As for cliffhanger or not, just check Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan's comments on the finale.
I've seen them, and it makes me confident who was killed was in the script and they filmed it. After all, they wouldn't have an actor show up just to film their head being bludgeoned in. Whether the footage is used for the finale or saved for the premiere remains to be seen.
It wont be aaron, for me hes placing healths role in that scene was the one that most comics would kill at that point. Likable enough but fairly new
It wont be maggie or carol I dont think given everything there doing with them.
Its got to be either daryl or glenn (im still thinking glenn) to have the right impact, I dont think anyone else would work
Even worse than that. People saying theyre gross together and being outright racist.
Where are you reading these comments? I havnt seen one so far, just thousands of people reacting to them
Im guessing it was like the aaron/eric thing where there was one comment to a thousand complaints about that one comment
I'm not listening to horrible, cringey monologues on a daily basis irl. Don't know about you.