It really does not make sense. Duncan, okay, maybe. Still don't really see it, however he's definitley more slimy than Royland. But Royland was shown to be very loyal to both Ethan and Rodrik, aswell as to Gregor. I simply don't see a man like that betray his lord over one decision a young and untrained thirdborn made. He is basically the Forrester's Rodrik Cassel.
It really does not make sense. Duncan, okay, maybe. Still don't really see it, however he's definitley more slimy than Royland. But Royland … morewas shown to be very loyal to both Ethan and Rodrik, aswell as to Gregor. I simply don't see a man like that betray his lord over one decision a young and untrained thirdborn made. He is basically the Forrester's Rodrik Cassel.
If I recall correctly, if you don't choose Royland as your Sentinel, half of those scenes don't happen:
1. He tries to protect the Forresters: He's not present, Duncan is instead.
2. He fights the Whitehills at his Lord's order: Royland doesn't do that, Duncan pleads for you and gets pushed down by Gryff.
3. He's ready to die for the Forresters: Read #2
4. He'd gladly kill Lord Whitehill if given a chance: Still happens when Duncan is Sentinel, but is non-canon.
IMO I don't find it that hard to believe, GoT is set in a world where people kill other people over roasted chickens. It isn't that unbelievable that a man was a traitor to his own house over not being chosen to be put in a more powerful status, especially when it's not that hard to see your house going down the drain.
It really does not make sense. Duncan, okay, maybe. Still don't really see it, however he's definitley more slimy than Royland. But Royland … morewas shown to be very loyal to both Ethan and Rodrik, aswell as to Gregor. I simply don't see a man like that betray his lord over one decision a young and untrained thirdborn made. He is basically the Forrester's Rodrik Cassel.
It was stupid and extremely awful writing. If they wanted the traitor to be Duncan or Royland, then they should have just chose one of them instead of having it be decided depending on who wasn't named sentinel.
I thought it was going to be more complicated and it end up being the Maester. I was extremely disappointed
I was thinking it was the maester. I dont understand why they couldn't have written a set character as the traitor. I think it was really shitty writing to have whoever you choose as sentinel becomes the traitor
Duncan should be the Traitor in my eyes he is the kind of guy to write secret letters and talk his way out of it because he's a diplomat or politician however Royland will get in your face and rather start a mutiny than send messages to his enemy, you know.
Yeah, this was one of the biggest fail plot twists in the history of game of thrones tv show or a song of ice and fire book series. I see people try and justify it as "It's game of thrones, betrayal and intrigue are always unexpected and not out of character for anyone". It just shows most people don't understand the book universe or even the show/Characters. Many instances where betrayal or intrigue occur have some rather shady or dubious characters doing the double crossing of characters who had a little bit too much faith in them. (Roose Bolton, Littlefinger etc.)
Duncan is a bit believable as a traitor, since he could keep Intel on what the Whitehills were up to. Royland just makes no sense as traitor, he betrayed Ethan who was killed over a shiny wooden badge....if that was the loyal subject Gregor had then he should have been killed long ago before the RW by that measuring stick of trusted vassals.
Well, I understand more Duncan as the traitor. Yes, he betrays Rodrik and kind of Ethan. But why?
The question is which family he serves..Betraying the Forresters don't mean he serves House Whitehill.
As he said, he served Gregor, and feel it is his duty to protect the family. In his mind he's sure that violence and by extend Rodrik/Royland will lead to the destruction of the house (and it makes kinda sense seeing how outnumbered they are), so he tries to protect as much Forresters as he can (meaning all forresters minus Rodrick/Ethan). For him the fight is already lost, the last thing to do is reducing the loss by using peace/submission.
I might have low expectation but Duncan as the traitor didn't bother me, it made sense.
He still ended dead in my walkthrough though.
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Sorry for the frustration, but seriously? It doesn't lack as much sense as everyone claims it does.
It really does not make sense. Duncan, okay, maybe. Still don't really see it, however he's definitley more slimy than Royland. But Royland was shown to be very loyal to both Ethan and Rodrik, aswell as to Gregor. I simply don't see a man like that betray his lord over one decision a young and untrained thirdborn made. He is basically the Forrester's Rodrik Cassel.
If you recall Duncan is the one who arranges the meeting with Gwyn. Out of all the 4 possible traitors he is the less believable, imo.
If I recall correctly, if you don't choose Royland as your Sentinel, half of those scenes don't happen:
1. He tries to protect the Forresters: He's not present, Duncan is instead.
2. He fights the Whitehills at his Lord's order: Royland doesn't do that, Duncan pleads for you and gets pushed down by Gryff.
3. He's ready to die for the Forresters: Read #2
4. He'd gladly kill Lord Whitehill if given a chance: Still happens when Duncan is Sentinel, but is non-canon.
It was just kind of stupid it was purely based off the Sentinel choice.
IMO I don't find it that hard to believe, GoT is set in a world where people kill other people over roasted chickens. It isn't that unbelievable that a man was a traitor to his own house over not being chosen to be put in a more powerful status, especially when it's not that hard to see your house going down the drain.
It was stupid and extremely awful writing. If they wanted the traitor to be Duncan or Royland, then they should have just chose one of them instead of having it be decided depending on who wasn't named sentinel.
I thought it was going to be more complicated and it end up being the Maester. I was extremely disappointed
I was thinking it was the maester. I dont understand why they couldn't have written a set character as the traitor. I think it was really shitty writing to have whoever you choose as sentinel becomes the traitor
Duncan should be the Traitor in my eyes he is the kind of guy to write secret letters and talk his way out of it because he's a diplomat or politician however Royland will get in your face and rather start a mutiny than send messages to his enemy, you know.
Yeah, this was one of the biggest fail plot twists in the history of game of thrones tv show or a song of ice and fire book series. I see people try and justify it as "It's game of thrones, betrayal and intrigue are always unexpected and not out of character for anyone". It just shows most people don't understand the book universe or even the show/Characters. Many instances where betrayal or intrigue occur have some rather shady or dubious characters doing the double crossing of characters who had a little bit too much faith in them. (Roose Bolton, Littlefinger etc.)
Duncan is a bit believable as a traitor, since he could keep Intel on what the Whitehills were up to. Royland just makes no sense as traitor, he betrayed Ethan who was killed over a shiny wooden badge....if that was the loyal subject Gregor had then he should have been killed long ago before the RW by that measuring stick of trusted vassals.
I feel like Duncan makes a better traitor, I'm still sore about Gared even being sent away in the first place.
Well, I understand more Duncan as the traitor. Yes, he betrays Rodrik and kind of Ethan. But why?
The question is which family he serves..Betraying the Forresters don't mean he serves House Whitehill.
As he said, he served Gregor, and feel it is his duty to protect the family. In his mind he's sure that violence and by extend Rodrik/Royland will lead to the destruction of the house (and it makes kinda sense seeing how outnumbered they are), so he tries to protect as much Forresters as he can (meaning all forresters minus Rodrick/Ethan). For him the fight is already lost, the last thing to do is reducing the loss by using peace/submission.
I might have low expectation but Duncan as the traitor didn't bother me, it made sense.
He still ended dead in my walkthrough though.