Why would anyone blame her for that? It was group's decision to risk their own necks escaping through a herd a walkers with gunshots around, it was the worst idea in my opinion. They had an option to stay in Carver's place for a while so they can all be healed up. One serious question, who the hell would expect a little girl to not react to their parents' death in front of her?
The only two times Sarah messed up and that affected other people was with reggie and with scaping the horde, I don't think that's really enough for me to hate her :P
To be fair, she seemed happy before that. I know she didnt last long after he was gone but it is a debate whether it was better to let her live naive and happy for two years rather than expose her to everything and have her live miserably and have her live a little longer potentially
How can you even prove it? You mean slapping a naughty boy who doesn't listen to her parents to do what he has to doesn't change anything?
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I...what? Sarah was having a breakdown she wasnt thinking in terms of consequences, how can you compare her to a brat who isnt listening to there parents. There was zero evidence hitting sarah would make her snap out of it
She wanted to learn how to shoot
Like a child who didnt understand it at all, and that was one of her better moments. She asks clem to show her, copies what she says and then points a gun at her. It was kind of like a game to her and she never brings it up again.
Not to mention this was before her father died, the one thing that was keeping her sanity in my opinion was him. Any time before his death when she is separated from him she breaks down and panics and only really recovers when he returns. Maybe she would have recovered but I didnt see that much hope for it, still all of this is kind of irrelevant to the debate about jane and sarah.
To be fair, she seemed happy before that. I know she didnt last long after he was gone but it is a debate whether it was better to let her l… moreive naive and happy for two years rather than expose her to everything and have her live miserably and have her live a little longer potentially
For making noise, that made the walkers to attack other people, including Sarita and Clementine herself. I'm not saying she actualy could have prevented it, but, she did messed up.
scaping the horde
Why would anyone blame her for that? It was group's decision to risk their own necks escaping through a herd a wal… morekers with gunshots around, it was the worst idea in my opinion. They had an option to stay in Carver's place for a while so they can all be healed up. One serious question, who the hell would expect a little girl to not react to their parents' death in front of her?
I doubt that. You have zero evidence. You won't make he think that
I.....okay, so your first response to a hysterical child is to slap them round the face? I mean I completely buy clementine doing that in the heat of the moment as a last resort out of pure frustration, emotion and alike but I'm not seeing how luke is an idiot for not punching her in the face as this was the logical thing to do to save her. Especially as luke is on the roof by the time clementine is pushed to that point
Would you even blame Jessie Anderson for screaming around the herd when her son died in front of her in TV Show? I never liked her but I have no point to blame her. Clementine's group brought this on themselves.
For making noise, that made the walkers to attack other people, including Sarita and Clementine herself. I'm not saying she actualy could have prevented it, but, she did messed up.
No, I would blame her son ( or even Carol, unintentinaly ), she did not wanted to do it, she wasn't thinking about what would happen next, but how can you tell me a scream in the middle of walkers would have no effect? The gunshots were bad as well, but Sarah screaming made it worse.
I liked Sarah, i think her life was difficult enough without walkers, and i think Carlos did his best to make hell on earth, a world where she could still enjoy life and just be herself.
@AronDracula: Just don't listen to him at the points you disagree
Okay, that is not how discussions are supposed to go. They are not a fight, and you are supposed to listen to the other person's points and beliefs, so that you can evaluate whether they make more sense than yours and adopt them instead.
No, I would blame her son ( or even Carol, unintentinaly ), she did not wanted to do it, she wasn't thinking about what would happen next, b… moreut how can you tell me a scream in the middle of walkers would have no effect? The gunshots were bad as well, but Sarah screaming made it worse.
Taking into account that she suffers from recurrent anxiety attacks, sheltering her could've been the right choice, in the case that her anxiety disorder started before the apocalypse. Otherwise, it is likely that her disorder generated because she was so sheltered from the walkers and it evolved over time.
In walking dead michone episode 2 am I the only one who spotted a zombified Bigby wolf (from the wolf amount us) leant up against a tree? It's at the part where you are escaping gunfire and walking through walkers into the forest classic michone style with the tied up walkers
In walking dead michone episode 2 am I the only one who spotted a zombified Bigby wolf (from the wolf amount us) leant up against a tree? It… more's at the part where you are escaping gunfire and walking through walkers into the forest classic michone style with the tied up walkers
In walking dead michone episode 2 am I the only one who spotted a zombified Bigby wolf (from the wolf amount us) leant up against a tree? It… more's at the part where you are escaping gunfire and walking through walkers into the forest classic michone style with the tied up walkers
Sarah screaming made it worse.
What worse? Carlos was shot, she didn't tell Carver's guards to do it so. I'm saying again, the group brought this on themselves
What I didn't like about her was that she was completely weak and immature. I really hoped that through the game you could help toughen her … moreup a bit, but unfortunately you never could
But other than those traits I have disliked, I think that as a character she was very well written, and I actually liked her. It doesn't matter if you hate certain traits of a character, or if you like other ones. What it comes down to is the way the character is written, and she was written pretty good. Look at it this way: she was a kid that grew up in a harsh world where everyone took care of her, and she was never allowed to try things out for herself. While on the other hand, Lee taught Clementine how to use a gun, he taught her how to survive, and she was exposed to a lot of danger that helped her grow her character. Sarah was... kinda isolated from all that. And even though I hate her traits of weakness and immaturity, I like her as a character becaus… [view original content]
All she did was fucking stand there while in fear, it's not like she hurled herself off the deck. She even tried to run to the part that wasn't falling down, but she just wasn't fast enough. And the group knew full and well that Sarah wasn't all there in the head, so you'd assume that they're tell/direct her to go inside the gift shop.
Given Sarah's clear mental disability, I wouldn't call her completely weak, or even go as far as to say she was immature. There were times where she didn't act as weak, like when she told Carver off for hitting Clementine in Episode 3. And immature? What? When?
What I didn't like about her was that she was completely weak and immature. I really hoped that through the game you could help toughen her … moreup a bit, but unfortunately you never could
But other than those traits I have disliked, I think that as a character she was very well written, and I actually liked her. It doesn't matter if you hate certain traits of a character, or if you like other ones. What it comes down to is the way the character is written, and she was written pretty good. Look at it this way: she was a kid that grew up in a harsh world where everyone took care of her, and she was never allowed to try things out for herself. While on the other hand, Lee taught Clementine how to use a gun, he taught her how to survive, and she was exposed to a lot of danger that helped her grow her character. Sarah was... kinda isolated from all that. And even though I hate her traits of weakness and immaturity, I like her as a character becaus… [view original content]
That herd was coming either way. Even if Luke was scouting the perimeter, he wouldn't of been able to get to the group without the herd following him close by.
this always happen a character is introduced and they try and find a way to "jamie lannster develop" the character. Honestly my biggest gripe about the episode was that it took me less than an hour to complete. Sure didn't have to wait 8-9 weeks but it's not like those delayed episodes are longer than 80+ minutes. Would feel better if instead should they focus on faster but shorter episodes to not release the first episode right away but hold it for a week or two so waiting period between episodes would only be 2-3 weeks. Cause the thing with episodic games are you feel okay waiting cause you feel like you got a good chunk to immerse yourself in.
completely weak and immature
Okay, uh, no.
Given Sarah's clear mental disability, I wouldn't call her completely weak, or even go… more as far as to say she was immature. There were times where she didn't act as weak, like when she told Carver off for hitting Clementine in Episode 3. And immature? What? When?
If Kenny hadn't wasted time when he was verbally abusing Clementine in the tent, they would have had more time, maybe Sarah would still be alive. Therefore Kenny killed Sarah.
If Carver hadn't kidnapped the group, maybe Sarah would still be alive. Therefore Carver killed Sarah.
If Luke hadn't run after Sarah maybe we wouldn't have found her in the first place. Therefore Luke killed Sarah.
If Rebecca hadn't been pregnant, maybe she would have had the ability to save Sarah. Therefore Rebecca and Alvin killed Sarah.
If Clementine hadnt joined the cabin group, maybe they wouldn't have run into Kenny and Carver at the same time, which sparked the events leading to Sarah's death. Therefore Clementine killed Sarah.
In other words basically everyone is Sarah's killer by your logic.
Sorry, but you can blame basically anyone in the story for an event possibly happening if you try hard enough. Because we're dealing entirely in unknowns, in 'what if not's.
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I...think we're losing the fight.
Why would anyone blame her for that? It was group's decision to risk their own necks escaping through a herd a walkers with gunshots around, it was the worst idea in my opinion. They had an option to stay in Carver's place for a while so they can all be healed up. One serious question, who the hell would expect a little girl to not react to their parents' death in front of her?
To be fair, she seemed happy before that. I know she didnt last long after he was gone but it is a debate whether it was better to let her live naive and happy for two years rather than expose her to everything and have her live miserably and have her live a little longer potentially
What the walkers? Or what? Because that still isnt presenting a scenario where sarah lives
I doubt that. You have zero evidence. You won't make he think that
Just don't listen to him at the points you disagree
Yeah that's true, at least for me it's better to be sad about life than not be able to live, but it always will depend on the point of view.
For making noise, that made the walkers to attack other people, including Sarita and Clementine herself. I'm not saying she actualy could have prevented it, but, she did messed up.
I.....okay, so your first response to a hysterical child is to slap them round the face? I mean I completely buy clementine doing that in the heat of the moment as a last resort out of pure frustration, emotion and alike but I'm not seeing how luke is an idiot for not punching her in the face as this was the logical thing to do to save her. Especially as luke is on the roof by the time clementine is pushed to that point
Would you even blame Jessie Anderson for screaming around the herd when her son died in front of her in TV Show? I never liked her but I have no point to blame her. Clementine's group brought this on themselves.
All right then.
No, I would blame her son ( or even Carol, unintentinaly ), she did not wanted to do it, she wasn't thinking about what would happen next, but how can you tell me a scream in the middle of walkers would have no effect? The gunshots were bad as well, but Sarah screaming made it worse.
I liked Sarah, i think her life was difficult enough without walkers, and i think Carlos did his best to make hell on earth, a world where she could still enjoy life and just be herself.
Okay, that is not how discussions are supposed to go. They are not a fight, and you are supposed to listen to the other person's points and beliefs, so that you can evaluate whether they make more sense than yours and adopt them instead.
What worse? Carlos was shot, she didn't tell Carver's guards to do it so. I'm saying again, the group brought this on themselves
Taking into account that she suffers from recurrent anxiety attacks, sheltering her could've been the right choice, in the case that her anxiety disorder started before the apocalypse. Otherwise, it is likely that her disorder generated because she was so sheltered from the walkers and it evolved over time.
There's no one to blame for Sarah's (second) death except Sarah.
Exactly! She should've known better than to stand on the deck, where she didn't belong.
In walking dead michone episode 2 am I the only one who spotted a zombified Bigby wolf (from the wolf amount us) leant up against a tree? It's at the part where you are escaping gunfire and walking through walkers into the forest classic michone style with the tied up walkers
There is and you can't make me change my mind
No ones telling you to change your mind. Anyways...
Your basically shouting something out then sticking your fingers in your ears when you say that
Screenshot please
Yeah, I'd like to see it; I haven't played TWD: Michonne yet, but I want to see this alleged Walker Bigby
What worse? I would consider walkers attacking worse than a gunshot.
I understand your take on her. Every well written characters have flaws and weaknesses, characters that don't are generic or very stale. Well said
Thank you!
All she did was fucking stand there while in fear, it's not like she hurled herself off the deck. She even tried to run to the part that wasn't falling down, but she just wasn't fast enough. And the group knew full and well that Sarah wasn't all there in the head, so you'd assume that they're tell/direct her to go inside the gift shop.
Okay, uh, no.
Given Sarah's clear mental disability, I wouldn't call her completely weak, or even go as far as to say she was immature. There were times where she didn't act as weak, like when she told Carver off for hitting Clementine in Episode 3. And immature? What? When?
That herd was coming either way. Even if Luke was scouting the perimeter, he wouldn't of been able to get to the group without the herd following him close by.
You never learn anything from people you agree with.
this always happen a character is introduced and they try and find a way to "jamie lannster develop" the character. Honestly my biggest gripe about the episode was that it took me less than an hour to complete. Sure didn't have to wait 8-9 weeks but it's not like those delayed episodes are longer than 80+ minutes. Would feel better if instead should they focus on faster but shorter episodes to not release the first episode right away but hold it for a week or two so waiting period between episodes would only be 2-3 weeks. Cause the thing with episodic games are you feel okay waiting cause you feel like you got a good chunk to immerse yourself in.
We clearly have different views on immaturity. She was acting like a baby the entire season.
Whatever
If Kenny hadn't wasted time when he was verbally abusing Clementine in the tent, they would have had more time, maybe Sarah would still be alive. Therefore Kenny killed Sarah.
If Carver hadn't kidnapped the group, maybe Sarah would still be alive. Therefore Carver killed Sarah.
If Luke hadn't run after Sarah maybe we wouldn't have found her in the first place. Therefore Luke killed Sarah.
If Rebecca hadn't been pregnant, maybe she would have had the ability to save Sarah. Therefore Rebecca and Alvin killed Sarah.
If Clementine hadnt joined the cabin group, maybe they wouldn't have run into Kenny and Carver at the same time, which sparked the events leading to Sarah's death. Therefore Clementine killed Sarah.
In other words basically everyone is Sarah's killer by your logic.
Sorry, but you can blame basically anyone in the story for an event possibly happening if you try hard enough. Because we're dealing entirely in unknowns, in 'what if not's.
Just silly logic.
You clearly have a lot of confidence in your opinions, they must be good, fair, valid and sound.
'Just don't listen to him at the points you disagree'
Ahahaha. Nice debate skills there.
I loved Sarah, it was so f*cking stupid that the killed her off in the most violent, horrifying, nightmarish way!!!!!!!!!!
No I loved her. I thought she was awesome and could be great friends with Clementine.