Thing with the axe though, you could then argue that he wasn't helping Lee to be nice but more so to stop 1 walker becoming 2 and so on.
I just think given Larry's nature and possibly racist, seeing as literally 99% of things when talking to Lee was negative/horrible, I can't see Larry changing his ways to help Lee if it was the other way around. If they had shown scenes where you could visibly see a change in relationship between the 2 like maybe Larry thanking Lee for rations or siding with Lilly over Kenny, only then maybe he would have a change of heart (forgive the pun). But in my opinion, Larry is Larry. "All i have to do is protect my daughter" I believe his words once were. Probably the only person he cared about besides himself
I'd actually argue with the second point, if Lee had a heart attack, Larry might help him. If you give Larry the axe, regardless of your rel… moreationship he'll try to or successfully save you from zombie David or Travis. Whilst he's an ass, the only time he left someone behind was when he almost knocked Lee out at the Drug Store because he saw him as a threat, knowing he killed a State Senator. Plus it would probably be more likely if you had a good relationship with Lilly and Larry. It's hard to know when all we can really do is assume, not everyone acts by attitude after all It could very well have been Kenny trying to kill Lee whilst Larry tried to save him(considering he knows what it feels like to suffer from a heart attack, I feel that he'd at least show some mercy/sympathy).
You could also argue that he was trying to help Lee because even though he didn't like him, after 3 months together, he began to respect him. Even then, his intentions may not be clear but his action - saving Lee lead to his survival.
Fair enough, he does come off as a pretty aggressive person at times. I disagree with the 99%, he only really says bad things to Lee when around Lilly in Episode 2, well, perhaps depending on previous decisions(one of the reasons I liked Season One's way of handling with relationships between characters). He does also say "If anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you..." I forgot the rest sorry xD He may be a rough man but we see quite a soft and kind side of him when he's interacting with Lilly or Brenda. It's difficult to say what with the 3 month time skip.
Thing with the axe though, you could then argue that he wasn't helping Lee to be nice but more so to stop 1 walker becoming 2 and so on.
… moreI just think given Larry's nature and possibly racist, seeing as literally 99% of things when talking to Lee was negative/horrible, I can't see Larry changing his ways to help Lee if it was the other way around. If they had shown scenes where you could visibly see a change in relationship between the 2 like maybe Larry thanking Lee for rations or siding with Lilly over Kenny, only then maybe he would have a change of heart (forgive the pun). But in my opinion, Larry is Larry. "All i have to do is protect my daughter" I believe his words once were. Probably the only person he cared about besides himself
Well I wouldn't say no connection, just very little connection. Mike leaves after escaping with the group, surviving with them for a few days and getting to know them, having a good moment with them etc. but he leaves everyone basically for dead to help Arvo and himself, what he did was morally bad and makes him quite the hypocrite after being mad at Kenny for beating Arvo. But I do understand where you're coming from, we don't exactly know that much about Mike at all.
As for Jane, she had a bit more of a connection, at least to Clementine whom she taught some new survival methods to and even bonded with a bit, as well as seeming to have fallen for Luke. Although with Jane, we know that she doesn't like being in a group and to be honest, she had every right to leave considering she did play a big role in helping everyone escape Howe's as well as saving Clementine, Rebecca , technically AJ, Luke and determinantly Sarah's lives in Episode 4. You could even further argue that she helped Mike, Bonnie and Kenny by getting the Observation Deck's Shop to open. I guess it was more understandable since we knew more about Jane, I would've liked to know more about the other survivors in Season Two.
Yeah, Bonnie felt the most uncharacteristic but since she was emotional after Luke's death, that may have been a factor in her leaving(but seriously screwing Jane, Kenny, AJ and Clementine by taking the last of the rations makes her worse than Dee in ways). I felt like they just made Bonnie go along with Mike and Arvo because they didn't want to bother changing the story to fit her in it.
As for Clementine surviving, I don't find it entirely stupid, considering Lee, Christa and Jane all helped her learn how to defend herself and treat her injuries, Christa probably taught her how to scavenge for food and hunt and cook. Clementine could also learn to do these things by herself, although, what I'm more surprised about is how AJ got milk?
I have to disagree about Mike. It's like how a lot of people were angry with Jane for leaving after the baby was born. Mike and Jane had no … moreconnection to Clementine or the cabin group, so I wasn't surprised at either of them leaving. At least Jane came back. Mike was a neutral character to me. Someone who was along for the ride as long as it benefited him. Bonnie is another matter. It would be normal for her to look for someone to place the blame on for Luke's death. (Especially since she was partly responsible, but I don't think he was getting out with or without help.) Telltale messed up by having her abandon Clementine (totally unfair because she tried to help Luke either way) instead of her cooling off and apologising like Kenny did after he accuses you in similar fashion of being responsible for Sarita's death. Like some other people have said, it should have been Kenny v. Luke if they were going to make Kenny an a-hole, or actually let … [view original content]
Well he's pretty shitty towards Mark as well at the motor inn and he brags to Doug about being given food if you choose not to feed Doug, something not everyone may have noticed. But my point is, he's horrible almost all the time to everyone but more so to Lee
You could also argue that he was trying to help Lee because even though he didn't like him, after 3 months together, he began to respect him… more. Even then, his intentions may not be clear but his action - saving Lee lead to his survival.
Fair enough, he does come off as a pretty aggressive person at times. I disagree with the 99%, he only really says bad things to Lee when around Lilly in Episode 2, well, perhaps depending on previous decisions(one of the reasons I liked Season One's way of handling with relationships between characters). He does also say "If anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you..." I forgot the rest sorry xD He may be a rough man but we see quite a soft and kind side of him when he's interacting with Lilly or Brenda. It's difficult to say what with the 3 month time skip.
You could also argue that he was trying to help Lee because even though he didn't like him, after 3 months together, he began to respect him. Even then, his intentions may not be clear but his action - saving Lee lead to his survival
Lee to Lilly: "it's been 3 months, and your dad still treats me like some kind of asshole"
You could also argue that he was trying to help Lee because even though he didn't like him, after 3 months together, he began to respect him… more. Even then, his intentions may not be clear but his action - saving Lee lead to his survival.
Fair enough, he does come off as a pretty aggressive person at times. I disagree with the 99%, he only really says bad things to Lee when around Lilly in Episode 2, well, perhaps depending on previous decisions(one of the reasons I liked Season One's way of handling with relationships between characters). He does also say "If anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you..." I forgot the rest sorry xD He may be a rough man but we see quite a soft and kind side of him when he's interacting with Lilly or Brenda. It's difficult to say what with the 3 month time skip.
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If i didnt kill Kenny he'd still be alive.
Thing with the axe though, you could then argue that he wasn't helping Lee to be nice but more so to stop 1 walker becoming 2 and so on.
I just think given Larry's nature and possibly racist, seeing as literally 99% of things when talking to Lee was negative/horrible, I can't see Larry changing his ways to help Lee if it was the other way around. If they had shown scenes where you could visibly see a change in relationship between the 2 like maybe Larry thanking Lee for rations or siding with Lilly over Kenny, only then maybe he would have a change of heart (forgive the pun). But in my opinion, Larry is Larry. "All i have to do is protect my daughter" I believe his words once were. Probably the only person he cared about besides himself
You could also argue that he was trying to help Lee because even though he didn't like him, after 3 months together, he began to respect him. Even then, his intentions may not be clear but his action - saving Lee lead to his survival.
Fair enough, he does come off as a pretty aggressive person at times. I disagree with the 99%, he only really says bad things to Lee when around Lilly in Episode 2, well, perhaps depending on previous decisions(one of the reasons I liked Season One's way of handling with relationships between characters). He does also say "If anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you..." I forgot the rest sorry xD He may be a rough man but we see quite a soft and kind side of him when he's interacting with Lilly or Brenda. It's difficult to say what with the 3 month time skip.
Well I wouldn't say no connection, just very little connection. Mike leaves after escaping with the group, surviving with them for a few days and getting to know them, having a good moment with them etc. but he leaves everyone basically for dead to help Arvo and himself, what he did was morally bad and makes him quite the hypocrite after being mad at Kenny for beating Arvo. But I do understand where you're coming from, we don't exactly know that much about Mike at all.
As for Jane, she had a bit more of a connection, at least to Clementine whom she taught some new survival methods to and even bonded with a bit, as well as seeming to have fallen for Luke. Although with Jane, we know that she doesn't like being in a group and to be honest, she had every right to leave considering she did play a big role in helping everyone escape Howe's as well as saving Clementine, Rebecca , technically AJ, Luke and determinantly Sarah's lives in Episode 4. You could even further argue that she helped Mike, Bonnie and Kenny by getting the Observation Deck's Shop to open. I guess it was more understandable since we knew more about Jane, I would've liked to know more about the other survivors in Season Two.
Yeah, Bonnie felt the most uncharacteristic but since she was emotional after Luke's death, that may have been a factor in her leaving(but seriously screwing Jane, Kenny, AJ and Clementine by taking the last of the rations makes her worse than Dee in ways). I felt like they just made Bonnie go along with Mike and Arvo because they didn't want to bother changing the story to fit her in it.
As for Clementine surviving, I don't find it entirely stupid, considering Lee, Christa and Jane all helped her learn how to defend herself and treat her injuries, Christa probably taught her how to scavenge for food and hunt and cook. Clementine could also learn to do these things by herself, although, what I'm more surprised about is how AJ got milk?
It bothers me that every time this discussion updates, it remains looking read on the board for me.
Idk, but you remind me of the Kenny fan version of CuteClem.
Well he's pretty shitty towards Mark as well at the motor inn and he brags to Doug about being given food if you choose not to feed Doug, something not everyone may have noticed. But my point is, he's horrible almost all the time to everyone but more so to Lee
Lee to Lilly: "it's been 3 months, and your dad still treats me like some kind of asshole"