What do you think would have happened if Carlos hadn't been shot?
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This is always something I've wondered about since his death inadvertently led to Nick's and Sarita's and caused Sarah to cease functioning/arguably lose the will to survive. If the whole escapee group had made it to episode four, do you think they would have went in different directions? Do you think Kenny would have butted heads with Carlos and Nick more than Jane?
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Honestly I think Carlos was one of the only ones that would have been able to talk Kenny down. For one, I think Carlos being a father would automatically make Kenny have some respect for him (Kenny seems to show more respect for fathers. He honors Alvin by naming AJ after him. Meanwhile he can call Lee a "sham" for not actually being a father. So I think he would be more open to listen to what Carlos has to say than someone like Luke or Nick). Also, Carlos helped save him and tended to his eye wound, so I also think Kenny would respect him for that.
I'd imagine that he would either have arguments with how Kenny handles things that Carlos doesn't approve, or at least show some empathy over the loss of his partner considering that his own wife/girlfriend is not around (though nothing was really confirmed about what happened to Carlos' partner).
Yeah definitely. He wouldn't have just let Sarah be standing out there with walkers about. Carlos would have had to make a choice like everyone else once Kenny got the car working. Would he have left with Mike and Bonnie, gone with Kenny or go his seperate way?
You know, I was gonna bring up the previous Carlos thread, but this is a legitimately interesting question.
Carlos had a bigger impact on the group than people give him credit for: in addition to being Sarah's parent, he provided the group with an always useful medic, was supposed to be supervising Rebecca through her pregnancy, and its implied a few times that his knowledge gave him just as much of a leadership role as Pete or Luke.
Since his death also lead to Sarita, Nick(canon), Sarah(first), and arguably Rebecca's deaths, I think the group may have gotten through the herd without much of a problem if they were lucky. Assuming the best outcome would happen, he'd be there to watch over Rebecca and treat Kenny and Luke's injuries. This would likely mean that AJ would be born without as many complications and Rebecca would hopefully pull through with his qualified advice.
Since his death would be avoided, it's likely that Sarita would help deal with keeping Kenny under control after what happened with Carver, Nick would help everyone else prepare for AJ's birth, and, judging by how close they were, either Clementine, Jane, or Sarita would probably move forward with either convincing Carlos or going behind his back about helping Sarah be able to handle dangerous situations like what happened in the herd, assuming Clementine was able to calm her down before anything went wrong.
No idea on what would happen given the whole Russian situation, though I would assume that his presence wouldn't give Jane the idea to rob Arvo of his medicine and thus hopefully avoid that entire misunderstanding.
Sarah would continue to walk through the zombie horde with Carlos, thus Luke and Nick wouldn't have to follow her. Things get tricky here. Too many possibilities and alternate universes are created. Like everyone could help Sarita when bit and thus the group could stay together and overcome their obstacles way better, since Kenny wouldn't freak out. Or Rebecca could be dead, because Clementine sticks with her little group the whole way out of the horde never running into her.
Carlos's death was a game changer, that's for sure.
That's an interesting question.
Ideally, I'd say Mike and Bonnie wouldn't have a reason to do what they did with Carlos around to help keep Jane and Kenny from doing anything rash. I would like to say that he'd probably be convinced to agree with Kenny if Clementine and Sarah vouched for the Wellington plan, if only because the safety of the kids would be his first priority. However, part of me thinks he'd go along with Mike's Texas idea in the sense that they need to get as far away from Howe's as possible.
This is an interesting topic, indeed!
I want to make a question though, because I believe users above do not realize something. Carlos and Nick were both shot out of pure chance, as Tavia and the rest of Howe's Hardware inhabitants were firing at every direction. Does this not mean that it would be just as possible for other members of the group to be shot, such as Kenny, Jane, Rebecca or Clementine herself?
I don't see why it would be any different, but we will never know.
That was something I did briefly consider but it's so random that I couldn't think of who coulda been hit instead. After all, didn't Carlos basically get hit in the ear?
Also, I doubt Clementine or Sarah would've gotten hit since Carlos and especially Nick are taller than them and thus were larger targets.
Carlos was shot randomly, Nick was shot randomly, and Clementine was almost shot three times times throughout the herd, and we did not even witness the events from the other's eyes. I do not find it hard to believe at all that somebody else could've taken a stray bullet.
Doesn't it seem likely? What are the odds that they'd all make it in one piece?
I didn't say it was unlikely, I just couldn't think that far ahead. I guess Mike would be the obvious answer given his height advantage and lack of a strong, positive connection with anyone else.
Just to make this clear, I am speaking solely from a realistic perspective, not a narrative perspective. I can see how this could create confusion.
Oh, okay.
From a realistic perspective, I don't think a height (dis)advantage would mean as much, considering the shooters were looking down and the herd could be thinner in some areas.
I don't think Sarita would have been bit. Sarah's freak-out caused the other group members to have to go on the offensive and consequently draw attention to themselves.
Huh. I guess.
I think things could've worked out nicely. Having the entire group together would make their escape a triumph, instead of a "failure"(quotes because it's a fair assumption, considering the casualties. But I think things could have been worse.). And would boost morale, instead of deplete it. Having Carlos there for Rebecca, Nick there for the shootout, things could've turned out differently. Having more people vote on where they should go, would be better for the group. Not to mention Sarah, who wouldn't have completely shut down
Yeah, wow. I never really noticed it, but Carlos' death had a huge impact on the entire group.
I think he would be a lot more capable of talking Kenny down than the episodes 4 and 5 groups. Jane, Bonnie, Luke, Mike, everybody knew Kenny was in a bad moment but instead of trying to reason with him they'd just "oh Clem go check Kenny while I do nothing around here"
I think he would agree with the Wellington idea because of the kids safety, he wouldn't want to go back to Howe's and as being a father he wouldn't abandon Clem and AJ
Hmm, I didn't see that in the truck.
Actually! that's totally determinant, it depends if you're an asshole or a good friend for him.
Correct! also, Sarita wouldn't die because Sarah wouldn't alert the walkers.
Actually! I know that! That's why I said "can"
He wouldn't have died?
Well Sarah wouldn't have gone nuts and she may have even survived but would have most likely died during the Russian ambush instead
Heh, I didn't notice that.
Wait a sec, when does it happen?
Apparently, on the train, when you go to talk to Kenny about stoppin.
Forr starters, Sarah wouldn't have panicked which means that Sarita would still be alive. The group wouldn't have lingered around for so long in the herd so Nick wouldn't be shot. The group probably wouldn't split up so no Rebecca-Jane-Clem conversation about the baby. Kenny wouldn't go insane and the group would still be cool around him. Since Luke and Nick aren't saving Sarah, Nick is alive! The whole group would happily devise a plan to deliver Rebecca's baby. Since they would have way more time to prepare, they could get Rebecca better conditions to deliver AJ. Rebecca would still scream, so the walkers would still come, so Sarah would still collapse along with it (so (lol) many so's and still's!). Carlos would go down there to save her, and he would manage to do so since she trusts him more than Jane and would comply. Rebecca would have a doctor to deliver her baby and properly take care of them both afterwards, preventing her death. I believe that the group would decide to search the town for supplies. Arvo's group wouldn't ambush our group since there would be no way in hell 4 people could steal supplies from a group of 10 people (without counting the baby!). After surviving for a while everyone would agree to take the baby to Howe's or at least get the formula there. I believe that Sarita's presence would make Kenny way more reasonable about things. They get to Howe's, find the food and the formula. They'd settle there and have occasional expeditions North in order to find Wellington (because Kenny would ask real nice). They start letting people like Randy, Patricia and Gill in, and form a mighty community!
THE WALKING DEAD, EPISODE 5: Happiness and Rainbows.
Rolls credits.
Why'd you die, Carlos? Why? You ruined everything!
PS: AJ would not have been called Alvin Jr. Rebecca would most definitely choose another name.
Epilogue
Rebecca: Clem, we are NOT doing that!
Clem: Why not?
Rebecca: Because!
Clem: C'mon, Rebecca, what's wrong with 'Omid'?
Rebecca: We are NOT calling our (?) baby 'Omid'. One of you is enough! (...) A little help here, Clem?
Clem: ??? ...what do you mean?
Rebecca: Are you going into labour soon? No? Then don't talk to me about fair!
Clem: Hehe..... O.O [Slowly walks away, awkwardly laughing............]
Shit wouldn't have fucked up.
...What?
Not to mention that Jane wouldn't have an excuse to do the shit she did.
Fuck Yeah!
Best conversation ever.
You shall tell this story to your grandchildren, Lee.
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I have to agree, there, since the guards were firing diagonally.
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Bonnie, what happened to your avatar!
Narratively, they'd probably find an alternate reason for her cheap death.
I'm sure that people would still die assuming that the same course of events happens.
Carlos: Would die either by the firefight between the Russians trying to protect Sarah from gun fire because Sarah freezes from anxiety, forcing him to take many shots.
if he was happen to be tending to Rebecca, she'll turn while being treated and bite Carlos.
falling in the ice.
Sarah:
Suicide after her dad dies.
Walkers in the blizzard could get her.
Unknown Character status because she wants to run off and be left alone.
Pfft.. Forgot about it. Classic TellTale.
Long Road Ahead man, It's @BetterToSleep until then.
You know, Carlos ain't Luke. But there's many possibilities.