I was suspicious when talking to her as batman, but I thought she just cared only about the scoop, but goddamn it all makes sense. What a fantastic twist!
Oh no I am not forgetting that, absolutely not. Note that there isn't a single person in the game who picked up more than he did. He is still the greatest detective in the context of the story. But there are a few factors to consider:
1 - It makes for an awful story if the hero can't ever be outmatched (unless it is something supposed to be a satire). We wouldn't need 5 episodes if Batman picked up everything immediately (which, given how weak the clues were, would make no sense too). Having a villain that is one step ahead of him makes for a better story, and since we are speaking of a highly organized group, it makes sense too.
2 - There were not even enough clues for him to find out about Vicky. As I said, the great thing about picking Vicky as the villain is that her behavior is very easy to write off as "she is just doing her job" to someone in universe, which was what Bruce did. The only reason why fans guessed it was her was because they are outsiders observing the story, which is an unfair advantage over a character in the story.
(And curse you for your pic of Robert Lutece! I had just gotten over my Lutece obsession like two weeks ago...)
I was so sad when I found out because not only I found out that Vicki was no longer a romantic option, but I also realized I had to play through the whole episode all over again, that doesn't have rewind, if I wanted my BatBro to get a chance at the putang! Man being a committed dude sucksssss.
But on another note I wonder what her intentions were. She always seemed really sweet and nice for the most part in conversations, so I wonder what horrible thing ever happened to her to wish so much evil upon everybody. And also, Bruce was literally right next to Lady Arkham at the end of the episode. Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
Because well I was kind of hopping Vicki and Bruce would be a thing. But this whole time she was the true antagonist. God... I feel like someone ripped out my heart. Bravo Telltale, Bravo.
Personally, I'm a little disappointed with myself that I didn't make the connection beforehand. After all, Vicki was in the precinct when Montoya went ballistic.
What I'm REALLY wondering, though, is why the authorities would incarcerate Bruce inside Arkham. The veins on his face are clearly visible, and seeing as how both Harvey and Hill exhibited the same symptoms at a public event, why would anyone be so quick to believe Bruce was voluntarily attacking Oswald?
At the very least, I hope Gordon will put two and two together and try to lend a hand. Harvey will also probably realize Bruce was drugged, but considering his state of mind ATM, I don't think we can rely on him.
Despite of everything she's done so far, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an opportunity to talk with Vicki one-on-one, just to find out what exactly made her this bitter and vengeful.
Well, we haven't seen what immediately happens afterwards yet. There's a chance Telltale will at least allow us to try and direct Bruce's uninhibited rage away from Oswald and towards Vicki.
I was so sad when I found out because not only I found out that Vicki was no longer a romantic option, but I also realized I had to play thr… moreough the whole episode all over again, that doesn't have rewind, if I wanted my BatBro to get a chance at the putang! Man being a committed dude sucksssss.
But on another note I wonder what her intentions were. She always seemed really sweet and nice for the most part in conversations, so I wonder what horrible thing ever happened to her to wish so much evil upon everybody. And also, Bruce was literally right next to Lady Arkham at the end of the episode. Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
Because she was purposely provoking him into attacking Oz. If it wasn't for her whispering into his ear, Bruce might have been able to control it. If you have no control over your impulses, it means you could be easily persuaded by someone else. If someone appeals to a person's specific emotions, it would override just about everything else they're thinking about.
That's how she got Montoya to kill Falcone; Vicki knew she had a particular hatred for Falcone, and used that against her. Same thing with Bruce and his feelings towards Oz.
I was so sad when I found out because not only I found out that Vicki was no longer a romantic option, but I also realized I had to play thr… moreough the whole episode all over again, that doesn't have rewind, if I wanted my BatBro to get a chance at the putang! Man being a committed dude sucksssss.
But on another note I wonder what her intentions were. She always seemed really sweet and nice for the most part in conversations, so I wonder what horrible thing ever happened to her to wish so much evil upon everybody. And also, Bruce was literally right next to Lady Arkham at the end of the episode. Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
(In all seriousness, that was a good twist. I did not see that coming at all. But now I feel like kicking myself. I trusted Vicki, and I end up getting drugged for it. This just reminds me of that whole mess with Jefferson back in "Life is Strange". I trusted him, and I get drugged for that, too. You just can't trust anybody these days.)
I had a feeling it was a woman due to the leaders body shape but i didn't think it was Vicky which surprised me, it will be interesting to see if anyone believes Bruce if he tells people but it looks like they will lock him up in arkham asylum in episode 4 so they will probably think he is crazy.
Also that scene between Bruce and Selina was....interesting
I had a feeling it was a woman due to the leaders body shape but i didn't think it was Vicky which surprised me, it will be interesting to s… moreee if anyone believes Bruce if he tells people but it looks like they will lock him up in arkham asylum in episode 4 so they will probably think he is crazy.
Also that scene between Bruce and Selina was....interesting
Yeah. I was pretty much in the same boat of figuring 99% it was a woman due to body shape and staff fighting which tends to be more of a fighting style chosen for women. Didn't figure it was Vicky despite the signs being there though, so that's probably the biggest departure from an established character so far.
I had a feeling it was a woman due to the leaders body shape but i didn't think it was Vicky which surprised me, it will be interesting to s… moreee if anyone believes Bruce if he tells people but it looks like they will lock him up in arkham asylum in episode 4 so they will probably think he is crazy.
Also that scene between Bruce and Selina was....interesting
No, I think it has a lot more to do with expectations than not adding up which it actually does if you pay attention to certain details in previous episodes.
It doesn't add up because of a major shift in tone in the third episode. Prior to that, everything is easy to write off, in tune with Vicki Vale's (apparently) established intrepid reporter stuff. Then all of a sudden she becomes much more blatant in a single conversation, then sends you off to an interview location (again, rather silly) thats an obvious trap.
Let's not forget, she gives you the opportunity to foil one of her major schemes, which is pretty harebrained. Intrepid reporter with day job, terrorist leader by night. It's just silly.
No, I think it has a lot more to do with expectations than not adding up which it actually does if you pay attention to certain details in previous episodes.
They don't generally like video games (watching my mother try to play Portal 2 still haunts me to this day) but they do love movies so this is an easy pitch.
Yeah but he was also able to process to shout at her too. Remember the dialogue choices for ratting her out right there that didn't end up working? (and if he had no control over his impulses he would've said something for real too) So he obviously had it registered that she was the problem. The dialogue could've been the same about Oz but it was Vicky. And even so, wouldn't you be just as equally aggravated with the person trying to mess with your head? So I think it still was possible for him to jump at her.
Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
Because she was purposely prov… moreoking him into attacking Oz. If it wasn't for her whispering into his ear, Bruce might have been able to control it. If you have no control over your impulses, it means you could be easily persuaded by someone else. If someone appeals to a person's specific emotions, it would override just about everything else they're thinking about.
That's how she got Montoya to kill Falcone; Vicki knew she had a particular hatred for Falcone, and used that against her. Same thing with Bruce and his feelings towards Oz.
Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
Because she was purposely prov… moreoking him into attacking Oz. If it wasn't for her whispering into his ear, Bruce might have been able to control it. If you have no control over your impulses, it means you could be easily persuaded by someone else. If someone appeals to a person's specific emotions, it would override just about everything else they're thinking about.
That's how she got Montoya to kill Falcone; Vicki knew she had a particular hatred for Falcone, and used that against her. Same thing with Bruce and his feelings towards Oz.
But it really makes for an interesting "Traitor" situation. Instead of both choices being right, there is actually a "wrong" choice now, which is something new for a Telltale game.
I really regret that I gave her the data....
But it really makes for an interesting "Traitor" situation. Instead of both choices being right, there is actually a "wrong" choice now, which is something new for a Telltale game.
i have just one problem with the ending cobblepot talks to you about how Hill said he had bruce parents murdered. 'you know how old hill admitted he had your mom and dad killed' but how does cobblepot know Bruce knows or was it still recording after everyone fled?... but if it was still recording ... would mean cobblepot talking about his mother when he killed hill would also been recorded ... so how does no one know cobblepot is penguin
Yeah, I remember when I saw the Next Time trailer for Episode 2 the person being so small seemed kind of like a woman to me. A few people joked it was Vicki. I laughed then, but now, hey.
I had a feeling it was a woman due to the leaders body shape but i didn't think it was Vicky which surprised me, it will be interesting to s… moreee if anyone believes Bruce if he tells people but it looks like they will lock him up in arkham asylum in episode 4 so they will probably think he is crazy.
Also that scene between Bruce and Selina was....interesting
They don't generally like video games (watching my mother try to play Portal 2 still haunts me to this day) but they do love movies so this is an easy pitch.
What I'm REALLY wondering, though, is why the authorities would incarcerate Bruce inside Arkham. The veins on his face are clearly visible, and seeing as how both Harvey and Hill exhibited the same symptoms at a public event, why would anyone be so quick to believe Bruce was voluntarily attacking Oswald?
Wasn't Harvey Dent the one who made the decision?
If that's the case, I definitely understand that he would do so in his current state of emotional imbalance. I dread what is to come for Gotham with a mayor as such, but exactly what level of authority does the Mayor of Gotham have?
Personally, I'm a little disappointed with myself that I didn't make the connection beforehand. After all, Vicki was in the precinct when Mo… morentoya went ballistic.
What I'm REALLY wondering, though, is why the authorities would incarcerate Bruce inside Arkham. The veins on his face are clearly visible, and seeing as how both Harvey and Hill exhibited the same symptoms at a public event, why would anyone be so quick to believe Bruce was voluntarily attacking Oswald?
At the very least, I hope Gordon will put two and two together and try to lend a hand. Harvey will also probably realize Bruce was drugged, but considering his state of mind ATM, I don't think we can rely on him.
Despite of everything she's done so far, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an opportunity to talk with Vicki one-on-one, just to find out what exactly made her this bitter and vengeful.
At that point, Jim Gordon and Vicki Vale were both potential allies for Bruce, and the decision of whom to trust the data with presented two symmetrical options. Their relationships to Bruce were somewhat similar.
With the reveal that Vicki is head of the Children of Arkham, that symmetry vanished.
I really regret that I gave her the data....
But it really makes for an interesting "Traitor" situation. Instead of both choices being right, there is actually a "wrong" choice now, which is something new for a Telltale game.
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I was suspicious when talking to her as batman, but I thought she just cared only about the scoop, but goddamn it all makes sense. What a fantastic twist!
My reaction: "But... I thought we were friends?"
I gave Viki the data and gave her Montoya's name, so obviously I really liked her. It was a good twist though.
That fucking pen! She had it all the time!
EDIT: I'm betting that even Oz doesn't know that Viki's Lady Arkham.
Oh no I am not forgetting that, absolutely not. Note that there isn't a single person in the game who picked up more than he did. He is still the greatest detective in the context of the story. But there are a few factors to consider:
1 - It makes for an awful story if the hero can't ever be outmatched (unless it is something supposed to be a satire). We wouldn't need 5 episodes if Batman picked up everything immediately (which, given how weak the clues were, would make no sense too). Having a villain that is one step ahead of him makes for a better story, and since we are speaking of a highly organized group, it makes sense too.
2 - There were not even enough clues for him to find out about Vicky. As I said, the great thing about picking Vicky as the villain is that her behavior is very easy to write off as "she is just doing her job" to someone in universe, which was what Bruce did. The only reason why fans guessed it was her was because they are outsiders observing the story, which is an unfair advantage over a character in the story.
(And curse you for your pic of Robert Lutece! I had just gotten over my Lutece obsession like two weeks ago...)
I was so sad when I found out because not only I found out that Vicki was no longer a romantic option, but I also realized I had to play through the whole episode all over again, that doesn't have rewind, if I wanted my BatBro to get a chance at the putang! Man being a committed dude sucksssss.
But on another note I wonder what her intentions were. She always seemed really sweet and nice for the most part in conversations, so I wonder what horrible thing ever happened to her to wish so much evil upon everybody. And also, Bruce was literally right next to Lady Arkham at the end of the episode. Why didn't he jump to Vicki instead of Oswald? She was closer and also the head of the whole project!
I really wasn't expecting it.
In some way, I'm hurt.
Because well I was kind of hopping Vicki and Bruce would be a thing. But this whole time she was the true antagonist. God... I feel like someone ripped out my heart. Bravo Telltale, Bravo.
I never trusted that nosy bitch im so glad I stuck with catwoman , but I bet the bruce x vikki shippers are eating there hearts out lol
Yep. Now I feel betrayed.
Personally, I'm a little disappointed with myself that I didn't make the connection beforehand. After all, Vicki was in the precinct when Montoya went ballistic.
What I'm REALLY wondering, though, is why the authorities would incarcerate Bruce inside Arkham. The veins on his face are clearly visible, and seeing as how both Harvey and Hill exhibited the same symptoms at a public event, why would anyone be so quick to believe Bruce was voluntarily attacking Oswald?
At the very least, I hope Gordon will put two and two together and try to lend a hand. Harvey will also probably realize Bruce was drugged, but considering his state of mind ATM, I don't think we can rely on him.
Despite of everything she's done so far, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for an opportunity to talk with Vicki one-on-one, just to find out what exactly made her this bitter and vengeful.
Why don't you just admit you don't like the twist because it's something you're not used to instead of trying to make it sound like bad writing.
Well, we haven't seen what immediately happens afterwards yet. There's a chance Telltale will at least allow us to try and direct Bruce's uninhibited rage away from Oswald and towards Vicki.
Because she was purposely provoking him into attacking Oz. If it wasn't for her whispering into his ear, Bruce might have been able to control it. If you have no control over your impulses, it means you could be easily persuaded by someone else. If someone appeals to a person's specific emotions, it would override just about everything else they're thinking about.
That's how she got Montoya to kill Falcone; Vicki knew she had a particular hatred for Falcone, and used that against her. Same thing with Bruce and his feelings towards Oz.
My reaction to the ending:
(In all seriousness, that was a good twist. I did not see that coming at all. But now I feel like kicking myself. I trusted Vicki, and I end up getting drugged for it. This just reminds me of that whole mess with Jefferson back in "Life is Strange". I trusted him, and I get drugged for that, too. You just can't trust anybody these days.)
I had a feeling it was a woman due to the leaders body shape but i didn't think it was Vicky which surprised me, it will be interesting to see if anyone believes Bruce if he tells people but it looks like they will lock him up in arkham asylum in episode 4 so they will probably think he is crazy.
Also that scene between Bruce and Selina was....interesting
I was like this when I saw it was Vicki behind all of this. Nice twist TT, nice twist
I'd assume Gordon and Montoya will believe him, they were in the same situation after all.
Because I know squat about Batman. It has less to do with expectations, more to do with "Well, this doesn't add up at all."
Ungrateful bitch. No more saving your ass. Die.
So?
Yeah. I was pretty much in the same boat of figuring 99% it was a woman due to body shape and staff fighting which tends to be more of a fighting style chosen for women. Didn't figure it was Vicky despite the signs being there though, so that's probably the biggest departure from an established character so far.
No, I think it has a lot more to do with expectations than not adding up which it actually does if you pay attention to certain details in previous episodes.
The ending was insane! Absolutely one of the best plot twists I've seen in a game. Never in a million years would I have seen that coming!
Falcone was right all along!!! We cant trust anyone those we call friend. FU Vicki
It doesn't add up because of a major shift in tone in the third episode. Prior to that, everything is easy to write off, in tune with Vicki Vale's (apparently) established intrepid reporter stuff. Then all of a sudden she becomes much more blatant in a single conversation, then sends you off to an interview location (again, rather silly) thats an obvious trap.
Let's not forget, she gives you the opportunity to foil one of her major schemes, which is pretty harebrained. Intrepid reporter with day job, terrorist leader by night. It's just silly.
Episide 2: Man I ship Bruce and Vikki
Episode 3: ........... meh
I did not see that coming at all! Props to Telltale for such a great twist!
They don't generally like video games (watching my mother try to play Portal 2 still haunts me to this day) but they do love movies so this is an easy pitch.
Yeah but he was also able to process to shout at her too. Remember the dialogue choices for ratting her out right there that didn't end up working? (and if he had no control over his impulses he would've said something for real too) So he obviously had it registered that she was the problem. The dialogue could've been the same about Oz but it was Vicky. And even so, wouldn't you be just as equally aggravated with the person trying to mess with your head? So I think it still was possible for him to jump at her.
EDIT: Double Post
We cool people at discord figured it out. Tho I'm not sure all of us were serious about it, but still.
...can't believe I gave her the data.
I really regret that I gave her the data....
But it really makes for an interesting "Traitor" situation. Instead of both choices being right, there is actually a "wrong" choice now, which is something new for a Telltale game.
It's pretty ironic I thought the police was too corrupt to trust them with the data while giving it to a criminal mastermind instead. GG me.
Neh. I'm still hoping Mrs Zellerbach pulls out the Court of Owls twist. Because we all know who really runs Gotham City, Lady Arkham.
I think Not Quite Two Face/Saved Harvey is proving a way more interesting 'villain' for me atm.
Yeah, I remember when I saw the Next Time trailer for Episode 2 the person being so small seemed kind of like a woman to me. A few people joked it was Vicki. I laughed then, but now, hey.
I feel better about telling her to go away now.
I can't imagine everyone's awkward expressions when Bruce and Selina were implied to have had sex. I would pay to see that.
Never happened, my Mom voted not to and she won out the vote.
Wasn't Harvey Dent the one who made the decision?
If that's the case, I definitely understand that he would do so in his current state of emotional imbalance. I dread what is to come for Gotham with a mayor as such, but exactly what level of authority does the Mayor of Gotham have?
That is exactly how I felt.
At that point, Jim Gordon and Vicki Vale were both potential allies for Bruce, and the decision of whom to trust the data with presented two symmetrical options. Their relationships to Bruce were somewhat similar.
With the reveal that Vicki is head of the Children of Arkham, that symmetry vanished.