Hm I tried every combination there is and there are still 3 map pieces not unlocked. I got the 50% off a whole season, episode and 5$ off and the avatars though.
I would like to point out that there is nothing immoral to do this at all, if telltale were foolish enough to release a flawed thing that's really their fault (I would like to point out that it is very possible that telltale are aware of this). A lot of people have posted comments about stealing and what not, this is far from stealing or even taking advantage of an exploit.
Imho this comes down to a basic misunderstanding about what stealing is, stealing is taking a physical object from an other person causing them to suffer monetary loss. Nothing more, nothing less. Loss of profit is not theft. If you haven't lost anything physical you haven't been stolen from. So let's leave the stealing talk out of this.
Further on, there is nowhere stated you _have to_ get the codes from the game, if that were the case there are a number of different other ways this could have been done. So the conclusion is: this is probably not an exploit but rather a design decision.
I would like to point out that there is nothing immoral to do this at all, if telltale were foolish enough to release a flawed thing that's really their fault (I would like to point out that it is very possible that telltale are aware of this). A lot of people have posted comments about stealing and what not, this is far from stealing or even taking advantage of an exploit.
Imho this comes down to a basic misunderstanding about what stealing is, stealing is taking a physical object from an other person causing them to suffer monetary loss. Nothing more, nothing less. Loss of profit is not theft. If you haven't lost anything physical you haven't been stolen from. So let's leave the stealing talk out of this.
Further on, there is nowhere stated you _have to_ get the codes from the game, if that were the case there are a number of different other ways this could have been done. So the conclusion is: this is probably not an exploit but rather a design decision.
So downloading a cracked version is not stealing either? But taking it from a shop without paying is?
Let me clear up the confusion for you, Toothless Gibbon
If you take it from the store there has been actual loss of an object from said store, running in and grabbing a copy for for instance fallout 3 will make the store lose that exact copy of the game, that's a copy they can't sell and they paid money for. Ergo, you stole it (or rather shop lifted it as it's not expensive enough to be labelled as stealing).
Downloading a cracked copy there is no actual physical object removed from anywhere, it's still illegal but what you have done is illegaly copying the product. This can be exampled with for instance, if I have a very very nice statue that I make a living selling you break into my shop and make a new copy for yourself using my designs and what not. I have not actually lost any copy of the statue but you still have the copy of the statue that you didn't pay for. In short, I have the right to making that very type of statues, by makign your own copy you did what is called "copyright infringement"
Very interresting url Toothless Gibbon, care to explain what it has with this to do? Some people have been tried and jailed for doing exactly waht I wrote above. Creating illegal copies?
Edit: actually what they hvae done is different from what I wrote, as they have created copies that way I told you about, but then they have sold them for a profit themselves, this would be as if you made the statues according to my design and you then sold them.
Let me clear up the confusion for you, Toothless Gibbon
If you take it from the store there has been actual loss of an object from said store, running in and grabbing a copy for for instance fallout 3 will make the store lose that exact copy of the game, that's a copy they can't sell and they paid money for. Ergo, you stole it (or rather shop lifted it as it's not expensive enough to be labelled as stealing).
Downloading a cracked copy there is no actual physical object removed from anywhere, it's still illegal but what you have done is illegaly copying the product. This can be exampled with for instance, if I have a very very nice statue that I make a living selling you break into my shop and make a new copy for yourself using my designs and what not. I have not actually lost any copy of the statue but you still have the copy of the statue that you didn't pay for. In short, I have the right to making that very type of statues, by makign your own copy you did what is called "copyright infringement"
Copyright theft is still theft. It's a less serious offence than material theft (in the same way that stealing a car would be considered less serious if it was a matter of 'cloning' the car and making off with the clone), and not totally analogous for the reasons that you stated above. But that doesn't change the basic fact that it is a form of theft.
EDIT: However, I will agree there is no theft going on here, just not for the reasons stated. The treasure hunt game is freely available, and there are no small-print rules anywhere that I know of about having to play the game 'properly' to retrieve the prizes (even if there were, it would be extremely difficult to enforce that rule). So playing with the tiki statues is a perfectly legit (if slightly sad) way of winning. If TTG wanted it any other way, they could change the Tikis.
Copyright theft is making something yourself and then selling it for a profit. For instance if you set up your own shop selling games you have downloaded from the internet, that's not what we are discussing at the moment. What we are discussing is making copies for yourself. Which is an entirely other crime all together (although still very illegal).
Cool. I unlocked the 50% off a season code. Anyways still got every game except ToMI on Steam and ToMI and Strong Bad on my telltale account (yep that's 2 copies of SBCG4AP) and I bought Sam & Max Season one twice on steam (second time in the Telltale Everything pack.
Maybe I should rebuy Wallace & Grommit now so I can order 3 DVDs when The ToMI-DVD is out? Or maybe not.
I think people are taking brute forcing the tiki code wheels too seriously. Telltale meant for the thing to hand out discounts. They may be "cheating" at it, but it's hardly theft. Especially since brute forcing it is so annoying that it's really not worth it, at least for me.
They should activate the codes when each map is released, because unlocking them is very easy, there are little combinations.
Right. There are 4*4*4 combinations Thats 64. A 1 Minute cooldown after each entered code would be a great idea.
It would still be easy to test them all.
Let me clear up the confusion for you, Toothless Gibbon
If you take it from the store there has been actual loss of an object from said store, running in and grabbing a copy for for instance fallout 3 will make the store lose that exact copy of the game, that's a copy they can't sell and they paid money for. Ergo, you stole it (or rather shop lifted it as it's not expensive enough to be labelled as stealing).
Downloading a cracked copy there is no actual physical object removed from anywhere, it's still illegal but what you have done is illegaly copying the product. This can be exampled with for instance, if I have a very very nice statue that I make a living selling you break into my shop and make a new copy for yourself using my designs and what not. I have not actually lost any copy of the statue but you still have the copy of the statue that you didn't pay for. In short, I have the right to making that very type of statues, by makign your own copy you did what is called "copyright infringement"
Okay, so it might not techincally be stealing. Pirates use that logic to make them feel less bad about what they are doing.
The truth of the matter is, it's wrong. What gives you the right to 'own' a product at no cost whilst thousands pay for the game with cash that they have earnt? Using your logic, i could sneak into disneyland, and if i was caught say: "i never would have payed to visit anyway, so theres no loss for you!" You are not entitled to a product just because you won't pay the price for it. (This is coming from an ex-pirate)
Okay, so it might not techincally be stealing. Pirates use that logic to make them feel less bad about what they are doing.
The truth of the matter is, it's wrong. What gives you the right to 'own' a product at no cost whilst thousands pay for the game with cash that they have earnt? Using your logic, i could sneak into disneyland, and if i was caught say: "i never would have payed to visit anyway, so theres no loss for you!" You are not entitled to a product just because you won't pay the price for it. (This is coming from an ex-pirate)
I never said it was right or wrong, I just think that one should call things for what they are. It helps avoid the confusion (which I am sure you agree is a good thing ), if I said I were walking around eating peaches when I were in fact eating oranges people would be confused. Then if enough people did it as well there would be a greater confusion about peaches and oranges, perhaps even to the extent of where when I order peaches I in fact get oranges, and no one profits from that. Except perhaps the orange makers.
Late edit: Difference with disney land is that disney has to do upkeep for you being there, you use the roads and the rides. Disney has real loses from you being there, which is different from the loss of the profit of you having been there and had fun.
I wonder where all the moral and ethic have gone these days. Im more than happy to help a small company out by buying their games etc. It just wouldnt feel right to download it for free or use this exploit.
Maybe some people think that money grows on trees?
Lifetime ban on both TellTaleGames and LucasArts forums for Fury.
Scum!
lol you guys are silly.
Sam and Max are really easy games to pirate, if I actually wanted to steal I would have done so. But I bought both seasons using these codes, so I got them profit for it.
Seriously, I thought that by entering these codes, I would unlock more maps and puzzles in the game, so I could then do the puzzle and win the prizes. I didn't expect there to be a glitch and the game to just say I automatically finished the puzzle.
It's a coding glitch, and it's not stealing. And I can't see how those treasure maps could have got any harder, they weren't difficult in TOMI and now it's just a crappy minigame based on that puzzle. I'm not convinced they will get any harder.
But it's not stealing at all. Heck, it generated revenue for Telltale, even if it would be less than if it was sold at full price.
It's not my fault telltale made a system with only 4 faces and 3 rows. That's 64. I was expecting a cooldown or something, like 1 map per day, but my suspiscion is that they realized this and this was intentional.
Wii maps are set, they can't update from the web (rules we have to abide by). As for the exploits you are welcome to enjoy the fruits of their labor for now. Those are totally valid for the moment, but you may want to act fast (and tell your friends) in case we change our minds!
Sam and Max are really easy games to pirate, if I actually wanted to steal I would have done so. But I bought both seasons using these codes, so I got them profit for it.
This argument does not hold water. You are not entitled to anything just because you didn't download a game illegally.
Wii maps are set, they can't update from the web (rules we have to abide by). As for the exploits you are welcome to enjoy the fruits of their labor for now. Those are totally valid for the moment, but you may want to act fast (and tell your friends) in case we change our minds!
I can't see why anyone would give Fury a hard time at this point. Will himself said it was perfectly valid and you were literally welcome to do it AND to even tell your friends.
I did the exact same thing independently of Fury. I fail to see what the problem is. Telltale's code system only allows 64 possible combinations and it didn't take much work to enter them.
I think the issue was that before TTG commented on it, people weren't sure if they were aware of it. That kind of felt like sticking your hand through an open window to some people.
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Imho this comes down to a basic misunderstanding about what stealing is, stealing is taking a physical object from an other person causing them to suffer monetary loss. Nothing more, nothing less. Loss of profit is not theft. If you haven't lost anything physical you haven't been stolen from. So let's leave the stealing talk out of this.
Further on, there is nowhere stated you _have to_ get the codes from the game, if that were the case there are a number of different other ways this could have been done. So the conclusion is: this is probably not an exploit but rather a design decision.
So downloading a cracked version is not stealing either? But taking it from a shop without paying is?
Yes.
Thank you for posting so I had a chance to clear that up
If you take it from the store there has been actual loss of an object from said store, running in and grabbing a copy for for instance fallout 3 will make the store lose that exact copy of the game, that's a copy they can't sell and they paid money for. Ergo, you stole it (or rather shop lifted it as it's not expensive enough to be labelled as stealing).
Downloading a cracked copy there is no actual physical object removed from anywhere, it's still illegal but what you have done is illegaly copying the product. This can be exampled with for instance, if I have a very very nice statue that I make a living selling you break into my shop and make a new copy for yourself using my designs and what not. I have not actually lost any copy of the statue but you still have the copy of the statue that you didn't pay for. In short, I have the right to making that very type of statues, by makign your own copy you did what is called "copyright infringement"
Edit: actually what they hvae done is different from what I wrote, as they have created copies that way I told you about, but then they have sold them for a profit themselves, this would be as if you made the statues according to my design and you then sold them.
Copyright theft is still theft. It's a less serious offence than material theft (in the same way that stealing a car would be considered less serious if it was a matter of 'cloning' the car and making off with the clone), and not totally analogous for the reasons that you stated above. But that doesn't change the basic fact that it is a form of theft.
EDIT: However, I will agree there is no theft going on here, just not for the reasons stated. The treasure hunt game is freely available, and there are no small-print rules anywhere that I know of about having to play the game 'properly' to retrieve the prizes (even if there were, it would be extremely difficult to enforce that rule). So playing with the tiki statues is a perfectly legit (if slightly sad) way of winning. If TTG wanted it any other way, they could change the Tikis.
Maybe I should rebuy Wallace & Grommit now so I can order 3 DVDs when The ToMI-DVD is out? Or maybe not.
I think people are taking brute forcing the tiki code wheels too seriously. Telltale meant for the thing to hand out discounts. They may be "cheating" at it, but it's hardly theft. Especially since brute forcing it is so annoying that it's really not worth it, at least for me.
The jokes on the unlocked heads in the game are better anyway.
Right. There are 4*4*4 combinations Thats 64. A 1 Minute cooldown after each entered code would be a great idea.
It would still be easy to test them all.
Okay, so it might not techincally be stealing. Pirates use that logic to make them feel less bad about what they are doing.
The truth of the matter is, it's wrong. What gives you the right to 'own' a product at no cost whilst thousands pay for the game with cash that they have earnt? Using your logic, i could sneak into disneyland, and if i was caught say: "i never would have payed to visit anyway, so theres no loss for you!" You are not entitled to a product just because you won't pay the price for it. (This is coming from an ex-pirate)
I never said it was right or wrong, I just think that one should call things for what they are.
Late edit: Difference with disney land is that disney has to do upkeep for you being there, you use the roads and the rides. Disney has real loses from you being there, which is different from the loss of the profit of you having been there and had fun.
Scum!
Fix it
Lifetime is mean. Let's be generous and make it 200 years
lol, sounds much better
Maybe some people think that money grows on trees?
lol you guys are silly.
Sam and Max are really easy games to pirate, if I actually wanted to steal I would have done so. But I bought both seasons using these codes, so I got them profit for it.
Seriously, I thought that by entering these codes, I would unlock more maps and puzzles in the game, so I could then do the puzzle and win the prizes. I didn't expect there to be a glitch and the game to just say I automatically finished the puzzle.
It's a coding glitch, and it's not stealing. And I can't see how those treasure maps could have got any harder, they weren't difficult in TOMI and now it's just a crappy minigame based on that puzzle. I'm not convinced they will get any harder.
But it's not stealing at all. Heck, it generated revenue for Telltale, even if it would be less than if it was sold at full price.
It's not my fault telltale made a system with only 4 faces and 3 rows. That's 64. I was expecting a cooldown or something, like 1 map per day, but my suspiscion is that they realized this and this was intentional.
I thought so too, but it's been settled.
TTG is just awesome, isn't it?
That they are.
It isn't a coding glitch, it's how Wii players claim their prizes. It isn't automatic for them like it is on the PC. It's in the FAQ.
This argument does not hold water. You are not entitled to anything just because you didn't download a game illegally.
It makes sense that's how Wii players get prizes I suppose. Still, if all maps were released for Wii, why wasn't that the case for PC?
Stop calling me a pirate, although I do loot and pillage from time to time, I don't steal games from indy companies.
It is legit, lets enjoy it while we can.
Of course as soon as they okayed it, fair enough!