Kenny's death all be it annoying was better than Janes. I mean WTF TELLTALE? Jane gets pregnant and kills herself. Good Job... really, fucking well done.
A car crash with a learner is plausible. But man, how stupid. Suicide, after everything Janes done to survive.
And done! I don't know why it won't the image alone here in the comment...
Edit: Apparently it doesn't like imgur links
I want this … moreas a thread banner now... Javi's face is pissin' me off, could've done better but had a lot of fun with brushes
To be honest, I kinda rolled my eyes at how I was meant to perceive Kenny's end in The New Frontier as tragic and heroic, considering how he wound up getting himself killed in the manner that would make Ben look competent in comparison.
Calm down he's just a fictional character. Besides, he died making sure Clem and AJ escaped by luring the walkers to him. He died a hero, that's the perfect ending for Kenny as far as I'm concerned.
Ok here is my entire piece:
Kenny is my all time favorite character in TWD, hell in any video game. More than Clementine, more than Lee. … moreWe spent roughly 20 hours with him. Some of us, including me went out of our way to defend and stick by him through hell and high water. I stayed with him at the end of Season 2 and had a happy ending. Let's jump 2 and a half years, shall we? We get 3 minutes of happy dialogue, and then just like that, Kenny is ripped away from us in one of the most stupid ways possible!
Could they not have just gone with the extremely easy idea of keeping Kenny/Jane alive with AJ off screen and having Clementine reunite with them at the end of the season? Like FUCKING HELL! For the writers of some of my favorite all time games, Telltale really has become lazy and quite dumb. (excuse the childish wording, I really can't think of any better words.) Some people, myself included, hold TWD and it's characters near and dear… [view original content]
Well, in my view, if Kenny had to die, it should have happened because of AJ - "kill him with his love", I guess. Which is just the case here - it wasn't an extremely heroic death, but hey, the closest we got to heroic was Lee, and even The Glorious Beard can't get close to him.
To be honest, I kinda rolled my eyes at how I was meant to perceive Kenny's end in The New Frontier as tragic and heroic, considering how he wound up getting himself killed in the manner that would make Ben look competent in comparison.
Those of you who make these threads,who express their disappointment for this season,what are your reasons?Besides the Kenny/Jane flashbacks,not being able to play as Clementine too much and the short episodes,what are your actual reasons?
But of course the perfect death for Kenny would have been different, if you care for my opinion:
He should have died on a hunt, you know, him and Clem tracking a deer, and then it turns out to be a reeeal huge stag. It charges the heroes, so Kenny pushes Clem away and, when impact seems inevitable - the shot goes off. When Clementine rises from the ground, she sees the dead stag, shot at point-blank, and Kenny with an antler embedded in his stomach. Then we get a 30-minute tearsome goodbye, during which Kenny hands Clem his hat and his eye-patch, remembers everything that happened to him during the two seasons, drinks some whiskey (yeah, was there since the very beginning), hugs AJ (also there since the beginning - you would have guessed), lets his beard into the wild (it seems to be hesitant at first, but then runs off into the bushes), remains only with the 'stache, then passes away after a long and quite witty swear.
Pardon me for the wall of text, got carried away.
No offence meant, Kenny is a favourite of mine, too.
To be honest, I kinda rolled my eyes at how I was meant to perceive Kenny's end in The New Frontier as tragic and heroic, considering how he wound up getting himself killed in the manner that would make Ben look competent in comparison.
Couldn't agree more... jane is a bold char.. they ruin her too much..
even if she pregnant, at least she will try to hold on for several months before give up.. thats how they develop her character..
and if u save jane in TWD2 , its so sad.. jane die without thinking about AJ / Clem..
meanwhile Kenny always protect Clem & AJ until the end..
Proud to save Kenny in TWD2
Jane is dead in my game anyway but I feel sorry for the people that saved her. Jane is a tough gal and would never kill herself like that. Just too out of character.
Calm down he's just a fictional character. Besides, he died making sure Clem and AJ escaped by luring the walkers to him. He died a hero, that's the perfect ending for Kenny as far as I'm concerned.
If we're excluding all the reasons you listed, I don't feel attached to anyone except Clem. All of the new characters have done nothing so far that makes me really like them. David's the NF leader woooo I don't really give a shit. Jesus is cool, but hasn't really done anything except a cool kick.
Those of you who make these threads,who express their disappointment for this season,what are your reasons?Besides the Kenny/Jane flashbacks,not being able to play as Clementine too much and the short episodes,what are your actual reasons?
See, this is one of the reasons why I didn't want Clementine's story to continue, I knew Kenny and Jane would be killed off regardless. But wow, I did not expect their deaths to be handled so badly. Kenny didn't go through hell and back to die while giving Clementine a driving lesson. As for Jane - while I couldn't care less about her, she had an underwhelming death too. (Of course she just magically found a pregnancy test lying around, lol.) And I agree with the consensus that both their models looked horrible.
Don't have much to say about the plot so far. Same old aggravating cliches with a rival group of unreasonable, trigger-happy assholes. Javier's a cool guy, though I dislike how they're pushing so hard for him to be with Kate. No thanks, TellTale. If anything I'd rather choose Eleanor.
Clementine has become too stone-cold and edgy for my tastes. Like, I get why, but... Meh. That said, I'm glad she's taken a backseat as the secondary protagonist.
I don't know, I never liked Jane and well- I don't know how Kenny would have played out making it. Not arguing or disagreeing, but what did you expect to happen with Kenny or Jane to play out with the information of Javier being the new character to stumble upon Clem?
That's because you are not open minded.Like many more here ,you only care about Clem. You didn't like Mari?Neither do you like Javier or Eleanor or Kate?Jesus didn't really have any time to do something. Well,I also think that people that don't really like Clem have an easier time bonding with new characters.Fans that like her will not really accept someone new as easily.
If we're excluding all the reasons you listed, I don't feel attached to anyone except Clem. All of the new characters have done nothing so f… morear that makes me really like them. David's the NF leader woooo I don't really give a shit. Jesus is cool, but hasn't really done anything except a cool kick.
I'm plenty open minded, but these episodes were way too short for me to get attached to anyone. Nothing really stands out about them to me. They all seem very mundane as well. Mari was cool, but we had spent like an hour with her, I'm not broken up because she died. Kate seems so generic to me, plus she's been shot so I can't exactly learn more about her except she has a bullet in her belly lol. Eleanor seems way too friendly, I don't really trust her. Javier is cool and I like him more than I thought I would, but my expectations on his character were pretty low to start.
That's because you are not open minded.Like many more here ,you only care about Clem. You didn't like Mari?Neither do you like Javier or Ele… moreanor or Kate?Jesus didn't really have any time to do something. Well,I also think that people that don't really like Clem have an easier time bonding with new characters.Fans that like her will not really accept someone new as easily.
As original and more effective your version of Kenny's death is, I think a 30-minute scene of Kenny dying in Clementine's arm is overkill, though it's probably just a small joke on your part, especially with his facial hair disappearing in the wild. Most players would probably just shout to the screen "Just die already, Kenny! Can we just move on now?!".
My problem with Kenny's endings is that there's no variety in any of them, it's the same tear-jerking end with Kenny sacrificing his life for someone he cares for, and it gets a little boring to see the same old speech from him before he dies or leaves the scene.
Had it been up to me I would have the flashback scene play out the same way (though have it play out for longer than 5 minutes), except that Kenny doesn't get thrown out of the windscreen. Kenny's anger gets the better of him and he blames Clementine for crashing the car and almost getting AJ killed, where Clementine finally reaches breaking point with her patience with Kenny and verbally lashes out at him for his past actions in Season 2.
The argument and AJ's screaming attracts the walkers, leaving Kenny goes to rescue AJ first and run off, leaving Clementine behind. As Clementine tries to catch up, she's attacked by a walker, and watches as Kenny hesitates to decide on putting down AJ to help Clementine. Eventually he does try to help in the end, but he fails to notice a walker sneaking up on him due to a walker approaching him towards his blind spot (where his eyepatch is), which then attacks and bites Kenny's throat out. Clementine recovers, but is forced to run to AJ and leave a dying Kenny behind as more walkers arrive.
There's no final words, there's no last-minute redemption, only regrets and torn relationships that will never be resolved.
But of course the perfect death for Kenny would have been different, if you care for my opinion:
He should have died on a hunt, you know,… more him and Clem tracking a deer, and then it turns out to be a reeeal huge stag. It charges the heroes, so Kenny pushes Clem away and, when impact seems inevitable - the shot goes off. When Clementine rises from the ground, she sees the dead stag, shot at point-blank, and Kenny with an antler embedded in his stomach. Then we get a 30-minute tearsome goodbye, during which Kenny hands Clem his hat and his eye-patch, remembers everything that happened to him during the two seasons, drinks some whiskey (yeah, was there since the very beginning), hugs AJ (also there since the beginning - you would have guessed), lets his beard into the wild (it seems to be hesitant at first, but then runs off into the bushes), remains only with the 'stache, then passes away after a long and quite witty swear.
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I don't know, I never liked Jane and well- I don't know how Kenny would have played out making it. Not arguing or disagreeing, but what did … moreyou expect to happen with Kenny or Jane to play out with the information of Javier being the new character to stumble upon Clem?
I just hope that AJ doesn't get a cheap death as well. Where do you guys think that he is? Dead or alive? I think that he's maybe with the New Frontier.
I just hope that AJ doesn't get a cheap death as well. Where do you guys think that he is? Dead or alive? I think that he's maybe with the New Frontier.
I know it irks people that Kenny dies instantly in Episode 1 but honestly.. did his character really have much more mileage in it?
Kenny's character has been fleshed out and having him be a prominant character in this Season would be huge overkill.
He already repeats his character arc in Season 2 when Sarita dies and he goes into depressed, stubborn Kenny mode. We had that stuff on the train in Season One. Come on.
Jane is a character that had a lot of untapped potential and it's a shame they didn't have her in it more but can we stop clinging on to old characters. This Season clearly has direction, far moreso than Season Two, I don't want old characters holding down the story just because people get a nostalgia trip when seeing them again.
...Will I get hate if I mention that I actually kinda liked Jane's death? Yeah, I would wanted her to stay longer, at least in Flashbacks, but it was really fucking dark! Fuck it, I liked it.
The first scene in Jane's segment has a fitting gloomy ambiance that reflects her depressed and lethargic emotional state. The pale purplish lightening, the subtle changes of expression in the faces of Jane and Clementine, the voice-acting, and the incredible score that plays in the background—all of these aspects nailed it.
Jane was a distant and pragmatic survivor in Season Two, but we shouldn't forget that she is a human being, emotionally fragile and prone to depression, like everyone else. It had been shown that Jane cared for Clementine and wanted for her to survive, and she appeared to have become attached to Alvin Junior, even if slightly; nonetheless, her psychological trauma and the worry of being pregnant under their harsh circumstances outweighed the relationship that she had with the kids. In a desperate, selfish and rushed attempt to free herself of her emotional burden, Jane hanged herself in the office of William Carver, without telling Clementine goodbye nor leaving a note behind. It makes sense; it's good writing; and it is in her character.
...Will I get hate if I mention that I actually kinda liked Jane's death? Yeah, I would wanted her to stay longer, at least in Flashbacks, but it was really fucking dark! Fuck it, I liked it.
The good things about the game, characters are great, story is great, very big things.
And my rant on it is a bit late because another thing, the transfer of saves SUCK, especially on XBOX. I couldnt play it on release because the saves where all messed up, it wasnt playable since the start. Im glad they fixed it as quick as they can, but how do these major things pass release? I just now finished playing both of them. Thats another minus.
But FUCK YOU TELLTALE FOR THE SHIT KENNY EXCUSE. Its one thing to kill him off so quickly but its another god damn thing to do it in the most unrespectable way. You didnt even let Kenny and Clem have a good finale farwell! IT happened to quickly and it was the shittiest death I saw by far. I can imagine with Jane it was the same thing. IM still pissed about this after just now finishing episode 2, it sucked. It happened to fast for it to be actually emotional and respectable, it was just a shit ending that you give to non important characters just standing in the backround, NOT to an extremely important character that was a big reason for s2. S2 CHOICES rarely mattered. There was truly no need for S2 right now, the only thing that actually carried over was who you end up with, and they didnt last very long. How long did Kenny last, what, 5 minutes? Its just another shit Omid story. You think of all the complaints they got over Omid, and all the complaints they should have gotten about how people asked to not kill Kenny so quickly, they go and do it. NO respect.
The Clem flashbacks are shit. You literally play them once so far, for maybe 5 minutes at most. Im going to guess there will be one short flashback only for each episode. That is NOT what I would have guessed when it said both Clem and Javier are playable characters. Clem is not playable so far, at all. Shes just a character they dragged in for revenue, thats what it feels like. Just a silent Daryl that on certain times pops up. Javier is the playable character, and hes great, I thought Clem would have actual playable time more than 5 fucking minutes that seem to suck anyways as they are rushed.
Glitches, many. For example when I reunited with that girl in the plaid, Clem was standing outside of the car, she wasnt supposed to be there, she ran off after shooting that guy that held Gabe hostage, there where alot of lag moments
Im not a bit mad actually, I am just pissed, this literally sucked. Such a great story with great characters RUINED BY LAZINESS and false claim. You only play as Clem in flashbacks which 90 percent of people told telltale NOT to do, and on top of that, they are short and rushed.
NO REWIND FOR THE STUPID OPTIONS THAT MEANT SOMETHING ELSE. Like when I said "dont worry about Clem" Javier puts it off as "shes just a burden, dont worry about her" mf I meant dont worry about her because she can handle it, you have to replay the whole damn episode
S2 looks like a masterpiece even more now. S2 didnt even need to exist with how s3 is done, it literally did not need to exist. There are no connections other than the shitty flashback with if you are either with jane or kenny or alone for 5 minutes, everything after that, is unconnected with s2 and is just s3's story.
And Im sorry but even though I enjoy playing as Javier, I cant help but want to scream when Clem is just pushed away as a side character, and not made a actual playable character like what was claimed. Shes just a shit flashback few minutes controlled, and after that, just a character that they dont even show too much. Not as much as Javiers family who are always the center of attention.
WTF did they do do Kennys magnificent beard to begin with is beyond acceptance. With the better graphics I expected more.
Reused character personalitys, like that one new frontier girl who broke into the cabin Clem was in, just a shorter Jane already.
I dont even recall half of the new characters names because I really didnt care.
Either way, Clem ends up joining the new frontier and getting burned with the mark? WHY THE FUCK was that not dependent, you know how great it would have been if one episode was just playable Javier, the next just playable Clem, so you could experience, not in a stupid 4 minute flashback, how it went down? Why would someone at telltale EVER think it was a good idea to make Javier the only playable character. THERE WAS NO HARM in making Clem and Javier the full playable characters in different episodes. It would have satisfied the people who didnt want to always play as clem, and the people that actually liked Clem and dont want her as a stupid cash grab that just adds in a few comments here and there. WHY WHY WHY TELLTALE, DIDNT YOU ALLOW SWITCH OFF OF JAVIER AND CLEM FROM EPISODE TO EPISODE.
In short, I would have just rathered s3 be about fucking Kenny and Clem going to florida. God dammit. All of that stupid work on s2 with Kenny, it led up to NOTHING, what the fuck was the point telltale, why would you even think it was a good idea to do that to Kenny?
Being able to pull of a decent story and decent characters telltale, does not mean you can be fucking lazy about every thing else. My lack for interest after the two episodes is great right now. My expectations for s3 where low to begin with, now they are just in the trash, I thought about the worst choices telltale could have done for s3, and they literally did ALL OF THEM. Killing of Kenny in the stupidest, cheapest, pathetic excuse of a great characters death, making Clem playable for a stupid minute, CLEMS NOT GOD DAMN PLAYABLE, It felt more like a movie than it ever did before with less interaction, such great characters like Javier RUINED because of to many mistakes, to many reused personalities, Ive seen them all before, many MANY strange model glitches, I could go on.
I would have actually been fine as playing as Clem in just flashbacks, if the whole episode was one flashback. How is that not a good idea? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING AWESOME. BUT NO the worst decision you could have possibly done telltale, youve done it. Just a stupid short playable moment, rest is Javier. 98 percent of gameplay, is Javier.
Every single damn thing, that was talked about and not hoped for many many times just on these forums, happened. Does telltale not hear the worries or complaints? Did they not see the thousands of people tell them not to ruin this shit, not to make Clem a stupid flashback, not to push of major characters and treat them like shit? Even if the next episodes are better, they wont make up for the to many flaws that episode 1 and 2 had, as they keep carrying over, the shit death of kenny wont ever go away, the stupidness of the flashbacks wont ever go away, the SHORTNESS of the episodes wont ever go away, the NO FLASHBACK wont ever return in the next few episodes, just FUCKING NO.
I felt the same thing, but there was even more to add to that which makes it worse. The fact it was so quick, didnt even make his shitty death as emotional as it could have done. It made me angry, not sad. Angry at telltale, not even angry at his fucking death. What a pathetic excuse of doing this to Kenny. And how the fuck did he look so different in just 3 years? He should have looked nearly the same, just FUCK TO MUCH
Ok here is my entire piece:
Kenny is my all time favorite character in TWD, hell in any video game. More than Clementine, more than Lee. … moreWe spent roughly 20 hours with him. Some of us, including me went out of our way to defend and stick by him through hell and high water. I stayed with him at the end of Season 2 and had a happy ending. Let's jump 2 and a half years, shall we? We get 3 minutes of happy dialogue, and then just like that, Kenny is ripped away from us in one of the most stupid ways possible!
Could they not have just gone with the extremely easy idea of keeping Kenny/Jane alive with AJ off screen and having Clementine reunite with them at the end of the season? Like FUCKING HELL! For the writers of some of my favorite all time games, Telltale really has become lazy and quite dumb. (excuse the childish wording, I really can't think of any better words.) Some people, myself included, hold TWD and it's characters near and dear… [view original content]
Reused personality (boring characters), many glitches, especially model glitches, fucked up talk choices that meant not the same when you click on them, rushed, short episodes, screwed up save transferring, most of all s2 had no meaning, are a few of mine.
Those of you who make these threads,who express their disappointment for this season,what are your reasons?Besides the Kenny/Jane flashbacks,not being able to play as Clementine too much and the short episodes,what are your actual reasons?
I just hope that AJ doesn't get a cheap death as well. Where do you guys think that he is? Dead or alive? I think that he's maybe with the New Frontier.
Kenny's death all be it annoying was better than Janes. I mean WTF TELLTALE? Jane gets pregnant and kills herself. Good Job... really, fucki… moreng well done.
A car crash with a learner is plausible. But man, how stupid. Suicide, after everything Janes done to survive.
Well, yea, but I fail to see peoples disappointment in the fact that a follow up game in a series barely following who has, until now, been a major part of the series makes them close minded. Abruptly killing two other characters with sizeable fans didn't exactly sit well, either. But, regardless, I feel I'm quite open minded. I play, and enjoy, a variety of games. But then, most of them don't return after a 2 year absence and a cliffhanger expecting me to want to continue the series as a completely new character with minimal involvement from the characters the series revolved around. That's not a sequel, that's a new game.
The expectation in this not sequel but not quite a new game is that I'm going to embrace the new characters if I'm open minded, or want to continue following the characters I did in previous games if I'm not? This isn't exactly like the way TWD show devotes episodes to character arcs. This is like releasing Fear The Walking Dead as season 7, and giving Rick and company a few lines in each episode when they're not standing around in the background. THAT is what makes it jarring for me.
That's because you are not open minded.Like many more here ,you only care about Clem. You didn't like Mari?Neither do you like Javier or Ele… moreanor or Kate?Jesus didn't really have any time to do something. Well,I also think that people that don't really like Clem have an easier time bonding with new characters.Fans that like her will not really accept someone new as easily.
I don't know,in my opinion,not feeling attached to at least one character makes you a bit close minded,only if you are focused on liking one character,like you are,and in this case it's Clem.
And this is a new game
You shouldn't necessarily treat it as a sequel.
From what I understood,you don't necessarily like the fact that you play as a new character,and that makes you close minded,since you're not exactly willing to try out something new.
Well, yea, but I fail to see peoples disappointment in the fact that a follow up game in a series barely following who has, until now, been … morea major part of the series makes them close minded. Abruptly killing two other characters with sizeable fans didn't exactly sit well, either. But, regardless, I feel I'm quite open minded. I play, and enjoy, a variety of games. But then, most of them don't return after a 2 year absence and a cliffhanger expecting me to want to continue the series as a completely new character with minimal involvement from the characters the series revolved around. That's not a sequel, that's a new game.
The expectation in this not sequel but not quite a new game is that I'm going to embrace the new characters if I'm open minded, or want to continue following the characters I did in previous games if I'm not? This isn't exactly like the way TWD show devotes episodes to character arcs. This is like releasing Fear The Wal… [view original content]
Those of you who make these threads,who express their disappointment for this season,what are your reasons?Besides the Kenny/Jane flashbacks,not being able to play as Clementine too much and the short episodes,what are your actual reasons?
So why not just make it a new game? Putting Clem in the reveal trailer, revealing she's a playable character, "uncovering the mystery of who she's become". And she turns out to he an unnecessary addition to the game who feels more forced into the game in a misguided attempt at fanservice. Whether this was to pull in older fans who's interest in the story was Clementines development and experiences, the story, and not the outbreak scenario then it's just as bad as rebooting it if this is how they're going to handle it. The fact that it was referred to as season 3 until a few months ago(and still is in some descriptions) doesn't make the situation any better. Regardless, for more than a good portion of the 2 year wait we were told a followup would be coming. You're asking me to approach this as a new game because it essentially is.
I don't know,in my opinion,not feeling attached to at least one character makes you a bit close minded,only if you are focused on liking one… more character,like you are,and in this case it's Clem.
And this is a new game
You shouldn't necessarily treat it as a sequel.
From what I understood,you don't necessarily like the fact that you play as a new character,and that makes you close minded,since you're not exactly willing to try out something new.
Well,it kinda is a new game.And why bring Clem in it?You answered your own question.Given how invested a big portion of the fanbase is in Clementine,it would be a very stupid move to exclude her,don't you think?I also think that this will be the final season for her.They can't just keep milking the shit out of this character.There are no more scenarios in which she can develop.I think you know it already,but she's pretty much done for.
So why not just make it a new game? Putting Clem in the reveal trailer, revealing she's a playable character, "uncovering the mystery of who… more she's become". And she turns out to he an unnecessary addition to the game who feels more forced into the game in a misguided attempt at fanservice. Whether this was to pull in older fans who's interest in the story was Clementines development and experiences, the story, and not the outbreak scenario then it's just as bad as rebooting it if this is how they're going to handle it. The fact that it was referred to as season 3 until a few months ago(and still is in some descriptions) doesn't make the situation any better. Regardless, for more than a good portion of the 2 year wait we were told a followup would be coming. You're asking me to approach this as a new game because it essentially is.
I totally agree.Even though I think the following episodes will be longer.We only received 2 episodes not because the first episode was too big or whatever.If they would merge the first 2 episodes into 1,then guess what?4 episodes.Now that would piss some fans off,plus feeling cheated,since you pay x amount of money for 4 episodes not for 5 yada yada yada.
The Kenny/Wellington flashbacks were pretty shit,but I really liked the rest of them.
Very poetic,nicely said.She lived up to her expectations.Abandoning everyone in a selfish way.
The Kenny and Wellington flashbacks are clearly rushed and not good quality.
Maybe that's why they chose the Jane ending at the preview.
The first scene in Jane's segment has a fitting gloomy ambiance that reflects her depressed and lethargic emotional state. The pale purplish… more lightening, the subtle changes of expression in the faces of Jane and Clementine, the voice-acting, and the incredible score that plays in the background—all of these aspects nailed it.
Jane was a distant and pragmatic survivor in Season Two, but we shouldn't forget that she is a human being, emotionally fragile and prone to depression, like everyone else. It had been shown that Jane cared for Clementine and wanted for her to survive, and she appeared to have become attached to Alvin Junior, even if slightly; nonetheless, her psychological trauma and the worry of being pregnant under their harsh circumstances outweighed the relationship that she had with the kids. In a desperate, selfish and rushed attempt to free herself of her emotional burden, Jane hanged herself in the office of William Carver, wi… [view original content]
Very poetic,nicely said.She lived up to her expectations.Abandoning everyone in a selfish way.
The Kenny and Wellington flashbacks are clearly rushed and not good quality.
Maybe that's why they chose the Jane ending at the preview.
I know it irks people that Kenny dies instantly in Episode 1 but honestly.. did his character really have much more mileage in it?
Kenny'… mores character has been fleshed out and having him be a prominant character in this Season would be huge overkill.
He already repeats his character arc in Season 2 when Sarita dies and he goes into depressed, stubborn Kenny mode. We had that stuff on the train in Season One. Come on.
Jane is a character that had a lot of untapped potential and it's a shame they didn't have her in it more but can we stop clinging on to old characters. This Season clearly has direction, far moreso than Season Two, I don't want old characters holding down the story just because people get a nostalgia trip when seeing them again.
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Kenny's death all be it annoying was better than Janes. I mean WTF TELLTALE? Jane gets pregnant and kills herself. Good Job... really, fucking well done.
A car crash with a learner is plausible. But man, how stupid. Suicide, after everything Janes done to survive.
Or a game with Clems hamster stealing all the cookies leading to the outbreak and Kennys fishing adventures in Florida
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I want to make a hole rant on the way ruined it for me but I am to sick and I can't but I do hope Telltale is reading this and cry in bed
This is perfection.
To be honest, I kinda rolled my eyes at how I was meant to perceive Kenny's end in The New Frontier as tragic and heroic, considering how he wound up getting himself killed in the manner that would make Ben look competent in comparison.
Calm down he's just a fictional character. Besides, he died making sure Clem and AJ escaped by luring the walkers to him. He died a hero, that's the perfect ending for Kenny as far as I'm concerned.
Well, in my view, if Kenny had to die, it should have happened because of AJ - "kill him with his love", I guess. Which is just the case here - it wasn't an extremely heroic death, but hey, the closest we got to heroic was Lee, and even The Glorious Beard can't get close to him.
Those of you who make these threads,who express their disappointment for this season,what are your reasons?Besides the Kenny/Jane flashbacks,not being able to play as Clementine too much and the short episodes,what are your actual reasons?
But of course the perfect death for Kenny would have been different, if you care for my opinion:
He should have died on a hunt, you know, him and Clem tracking a deer, and then it turns out to be a reeeal huge stag. It charges the heroes, so Kenny pushes Clem away and, when impact seems inevitable - the shot goes off. When Clementine rises from the ground, she sees the dead stag, shot at point-blank, and Kenny with an antler embedded in his stomach. Then we get a 30-minute tearsome goodbye, during which Kenny hands Clem his hat and his eye-patch, remembers everything that happened to him during the two seasons, drinks some whiskey (yeah, was there since the very beginning), hugs AJ (also there since the beginning - you would have guessed), lets his beard into the wild (it seems to be hesitant at first, but then runs off into the bushes), remains only with the 'stache, then passes away after a long and quite witty swear.
Pardon me for the wall of text, got carried away.
No offence meant, Kenny is a favourite of mine, too.
Couldn't agree more... jane is a bold char.. they ruin her too much..
even if she pregnant, at least she will try to hold on for several months before give up.. thats how they develop her character..
and if u save jane in TWD2 , its so sad.. jane die without thinking about AJ / Clem..
meanwhile Kenny always protect Clem & AJ until the end..
Proud to save Kenny in TWD2
Like I said before, he's more than just a fictional character to a lot of us.
If we're excluding all the reasons you listed, I don't feel attached to anyone except Clem. All of the new characters have done nothing so far that makes me really like them. David's the NF leader woooo I don't really give a shit. Jesus is cool, but hasn't really done anything except a cool kick.
See, this is one of the reasons why I didn't want Clementine's story to continue, I knew Kenny and Jane would be killed off regardless. But wow, I did not expect their deaths to be handled so badly. Kenny didn't go through hell and back to die while giving Clementine a driving lesson. As for Jane - while I couldn't care less about her, she had an underwhelming death too. (Of course she just magically found a pregnancy test lying around, lol.) And I agree with the consensus that both their models looked horrible.
Don't have much to say about the plot so far. Same old aggravating cliches with a rival group of unreasonable, trigger-happy assholes. Javier's a cool guy, though I dislike how they're pushing so hard for him to be with Kate. No thanks, TellTale. If anything I'd rather choose Eleanor.
Clementine has become too stone-cold and edgy for my tastes. Like, I get why, but... Meh. That said, I'm glad she's taken a backseat as the secondary protagonist.
I don't know, I never liked Jane and well- I don't know how Kenny would have played out making it. Not arguing or disagreeing, but what did you expect to happen with Kenny or Jane to play out with the information of Javier being the new character to stumble upon Clem?
That's because you are not open minded.Like many more here ,you only care about Clem. You didn't like Mari?Neither do you like Javier or Eleanor or Kate?Jesus didn't really have any time to do something. Well,I also think that people that don't really like Clem have an easier time bonding with new characters.Fans that like her will not really accept someone new as easily.
I'm plenty open minded, but these episodes were way too short for me to get attached to anyone. Nothing really stands out about them to me. They all seem very mundane as well. Mari was cool, but we had spent like an hour with her, I'm not broken up because she died. Kate seems so generic to me, plus she's been shot so I can't exactly learn more about her except she has a bullet in her belly lol. Eleanor seems way too friendly, I don't really trust her. Javier is cool and I like him more than I thought I would, but my expectations on his character were pretty low to start.
As original and more effective your version of Kenny's death is, I think a 30-minute scene of Kenny dying in Clementine's arm is overkill, though it's probably just a small joke on your part, especially with his facial hair disappearing in the wild. Most players would probably just shout to the screen "Just die already, Kenny! Can we just move on now?!".
My problem with Kenny's endings is that there's no variety in any of them, it's the same tear-jerking end with Kenny sacrificing his life for someone he cares for, and it gets a little boring to see the same old speech from him before he dies or leaves the scene.
Had it been up to me I would have the flashback scene play out the same way (though have it play out for longer than 5 minutes), except that Kenny doesn't get thrown out of the windscreen. Kenny's anger gets the better of him and he blames Clementine for crashing the car and almost getting AJ killed, where Clementine finally reaches breaking point with her patience with Kenny and verbally lashes out at him for his past actions in Season 2.
The argument and AJ's screaming attracts the walkers, leaving Kenny goes to rescue AJ first and run off, leaving Clementine behind. As Clementine tries to catch up, she's attacked by a walker, and watches as Kenny hesitates to decide on putting down AJ to help Clementine. Eventually he does try to help in the end, but he fails to notice a walker sneaking up on him due to a walker approaching him towards his blind spot (where his eyepatch is), which then attacks and bites Kenny's throat out. Clementine recovers, but is forced to run to AJ and leave a dying Kenny behind as more walkers arrive.
There's no final words, there's no last-minute redemption, only regrets and torn relationships that will never be resolved.
Play a role in the story and possibly be a reason for conflict between Javier and Clem? Doesn't seem that hard to imagine their role.
I just hope that AJ doesn't get a cheap death as well. Where do you guys think that he is? Dead or alive? I think that he's maybe with the New Frontier.
did you forget we were talking about the new writers? He s probably dead because a meteor fell down on him.
I know it irks people that Kenny dies instantly in Episode 1 but honestly.. did his character really have much more mileage in it?
Kenny's character has been fleshed out and having him be a prominant character in this Season would be huge overkill.
He already repeats his character arc in Season 2 when Sarita dies and he goes into depressed, stubborn Kenny mode. We had that stuff on the train in Season One. Come on.
Jane is a character that had a lot of untapped potential and it's a shame they didn't have her in it more but can we stop clinging on to old characters. This Season clearly has direction, far moreso than Season Two, I don't want old characters holding down the story just because people get a nostalgia trip when seeing them again.
...Will I get hate if I mention that I actually kinda liked Jane's death? Yeah, I would wanted her to stay longer, at least in Flashbacks, but it was really fucking dark! Fuck it, I liked it.
The first scene in Jane's segment has a fitting gloomy ambiance that reflects her depressed and lethargic emotional state. The pale purplish lightening, the subtle changes of expression in the faces of Jane and Clementine, the voice-acting, and the incredible score that plays in the background—all of these aspects nailed it.
Jane was a distant and pragmatic survivor in Season Two, but we shouldn't forget that she is a human being, emotionally fragile and prone to depression, like everyone else. It had been shown that Jane cared for Clementine and wanted for her to survive, and she appeared to have become attached to Alvin Junior, even if slightly; nonetheless, her psychological trauma and the worry of being pregnant under their harsh circumstances outweighed the relationship that she had with the kids. In a desperate, selfish and rushed attempt to free herself of her emotional burden, Jane hanged herself in the office of William Carver, without telling Clementine goodbye nor leaving a note behind. It makes sense; it's good writing; and it is in her character.
I liked her death, too! See my post below.
Im a bit mad here. I have a few pros and cons.
The good things about the game, characters are great, story is great, very big things.
And my rant on it is a bit late because another thing, the transfer of saves SUCK, especially on XBOX. I couldnt play it on release because the saves where all messed up, it wasnt playable since the start. Im glad they fixed it as quick as they can, but how do these major things pass release? I just now finished playing both of them. Thats another minus.
But FUCK YOU TELLTALE FOR THE SHIT KENNY EXCUSE. Its one thing to kill him off so quickly but its another god damn thing to do it in the most unrespectable way. You didnt even let Kenny and Clem have a good finale farwell! IT happened to quickly and it was the shittiest death I saw by far. I can imagine with Jane it was the same thing. IM still pissed about this after just now finishing episode 2, it sucked. It happened to fast for it to be actually emotional and respectable, it was just a shit ending that you give to non important characters just standing in the backround, NOT to an extremely important character that was a big reason for s2. S2 CHOICES rarely mattered. There was truly no need for S2 right now, the only thing that actually carried over was who you end up with, and they didnt last very long. How long did Kenny last, what, 5 minutes? Its just another shit Omid story. You think of all the complaints they got over Omid, and all the complaints they should have gotten about how people asked to not kill Kenny so quickly, they go and do it. NO respect.
The Clem flashbacks are shit. You literally play them once so far, for maybe 5 minutes at most. Im going to guess there will be one short flashback only for each episode. That is NOT what I would have guessed when it said both Clem and Javier are playable characters. Clem is not playable so far, at all. Shes just a character they dragged in for revenue, thats what it feels like. Just a silent Daryl that on certain times pops up. Javier is the playable character, and hes great, I thought Clem would have actual playable time more than 5 fucking minutes that seem to suck anyways as they are rushed.
Glitches, many. For example when I reunited with that girl in the plaid, Clem was standing outside of the car, she wasnt supposed to be there, she ran off after shooting that guy that held Gabe hostage, there where alot of lag moments
Im not a bit mad actually, I am just pissed, this literally sucked. Such a great story with great characters RUINED BY LAZINESS and false claim. You only play as Clem in flashbacks which 90 percent of people told telltale NOT to do, and on top of that, they are short and rushed.
NO REWIND FOR THE STUPID OPTIONS THAT MEANT SOMETHING ELSE. Like when I said "dont worry about Clem" Javier puts it off as "shes just a burden, dont worry about her" mf I meant dont worry about her because she can handle it, you have to replay the whole damn episode
S2 looks like a masterpiece even more now. S2 didnt even need to exist with how s3 is done, it literally did not need to exist. There are no connections other than the shitty flashback with if you are either with jane or kenny or alone for 5 minutes, everything after that, is unconnected with s2 and is just s3's story.
And Im sorry but even though I enjoy playing as Javier, I cant help but want to scream when Clem is just pushed away as a side character, and not made a actual playable character like what was claimed. Shes just a shit flashback few minutes controlled, and after that, just a character that they dont even show too much. Not as much as Javiers family who are always the center of attention.
WTF did they do do Kennys magnificent beard to begin with is beyond acceptance. With the better graphics I expected more.
Reused character personalitys, like that one new frontier girl who broke into the cabin Clem was in, just a shorter Jane already.
I dont even recall half of the new characters names because I really didnt care.
Either way, Clem ends up joining the new frontier and getting burned with the mark? WHY THE FUCK was that not dependent, you know how great it would have been if one episode was just playable Javier, the next just playable Clem, so you could experience, not in a stupid 4 minute flashback, how it went down? Why would someone at telltale EVER think it was a good idea to make Javier the only playable character. THERE WAS NO HARM in making Clem and Javier the full playable characters in different episodes. It would have satisfied the people who didnt want to always play as clem, and the people that actually liked Clem and dont want her as a stupid cash grab that just adds in a few comments here and there. WHY WHY WHY TELLTALE, DIDNT YOU ALLOW SWITCH OFF OF JAVIER AND CLEM FROM EPISODE TO EPISODE.
In short, I would have just rathered s3 be about fucking Kenny and Clem going to florida. God dammit. All of that stupid work on s2 with Kenny, it led up to NOTHING, what the fuck was the point telltale, why would you even think it was a good idea to do that to Kenny?
Being able to pull of a decent story and decent characters telltale, does not mean you can be fucking lazy about every thing else. My lack for interest after the two episodes is great right now. My expectations for s3 where low to begin with, now they are just in the trash, I thought about the worst choices telltale could have done for s3, and they literally did ALL OF THEM. Killing of Kenny in the stupidest, cheapest, pathetic excuse of a great characters death, making Clem playable for a stupid minute, CLEMS NOT GOD DAMN PLAYABLE, It felt more like a movie than it ever did before with less interaction, such great characters like Javier RUINED because of to many mistakes, to many reused personalities, Ive seen them all before, many MANY strange model glitches, I could go on.
I would have actually been fine as playing as Clem in just flashbacks, if the whole episode was one flashback. How is that not a good idea? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING AWESOME. BUT NO the worst decision you could have possibly done telltale, youve done it. Just a stupid short playable moment, rest is Javier. 98 percent of gameplay, is Javier.
Every single damn thing, that was talked about and not hoped for many many times just on these forums, happened. Does telltale not hear the worries or complaints? Did they not see the thousands of people tell them not to ruin this shit, not to make Clem a stupid flashback, not to push of major characters and treat them like shit? Even if the next episodes are better, they wont make up for the to many flaws that episode 1 and 2 had, as they keep carrying over, the shit death of kenny wont ever go away, the stupidness of the flashbacks wont ever go away, the SHORTNESS of the episodes wont ever go away, the NO FLASHBACK wont ever return in the next few episodes, just FUCKING NO.
I felt the same thing, but there was even more to add to that which makes it worse. The fact it was so quick, didnt even make his shitty death as emotional as it could have done. It made me angry, not sad. Angry at telltale, not even angry at his fucking death. What a pathetic excuse of doing this to Kenny. And how the fuck did he look so different in just 3 years? He should have looked nearly the same, just FUCK TO MUCH
Reused personality (boring characters), many glitches, especially model glitches, fucked up talk choices that meant not the same when you click on them, rushed, short episodes, screwed up save transferring, most of all s2 had no meaning, are a few of mine.
I would say he is with the New Frontier.
I believe Jane's segment was much better than Kenny's!
See my post below for more on this.
Well, yea, but I fail to see peoples disappointment in the fact that a follow up game in a series barely following who has, until now, been a major part of the series makes them close minded. Abruptly killing two other characters with sizeable fans didn't exactly sit well, either. But, regardless, I feel I'm quite open minded. I play, and enjoy, a variety of games. But then, most of them don't return after a 2 year absence and a cliffhanger expecting me to want to continue the series as a completely new character with minimal involvement from the characters the series revolved around. That's not a sequel, that's a new game.
The expectation in this not sequel but not quite a new game is that I'm going to embrace the new characters if I'm open minded, or want to continue following the characters I did in previous games if I'm not? This isn't exactly like the way TWD show devotes episodes to character arcs. This is like releasing Fear The Walking Dead as season 7, and giving Rick and company a few lines in each episode when they're not standing around in the background. THAT is what makes it jarring for me.
I don't know,in my opinion,not feeling attached to at least one character makes you a bit close minded,only if you are focused on liking one character,like you are,and in this case it's Clem.
And this is a new game
You shouldn't necessarily treat it as a sequel.
From what I understood,you don't necessarily like the fact that you play as a new character,and that makes you close minded,since you're not exactly willing to try out something new.
I want telltale to listen and address the problems. The two things everyone can agree on that they need to fix are episode lengths and the flashbacks.
So why not just make it a new game? Putting Clem in the reveal trailer, revealing she's a playable character, "uncovering the mystery of who she's become". And she turns out to he an unnecessary addition to the game who feels more forced into the game in a misguided attempt at fanservice. Whether this was to pull in older fans who's interest in the story was Clementines development and experiences, the story, and not the outbreak scenario then it's just as bad as rebooting it if this is how they're going to handle it. The fact that it was referred to as season 3 until a few months ago(and still is in some descriptions) doesn't make the situation any better. Regardless, for more than a good portion of the 2 year wait we were told a followup would be coming. You're asking me to approach this as a new game because it essentially is.
Well,it kinda is a new game.And why bring Clem in it?You answered your own question.Given how invested a big portion of the fanbase is in Clementine,it would be a very stupid move to exclude her,don't you think?I also think that this will be the final season for her.They can't just keep milking the shit out of this character.There are no more scenarios in which she can develop.I think you know it already,but she's pretty much done for.
I totally agree.Even though I think the following episodes will be longer.We only received 2 episodes not because the first episode was too big or whatever.If they would merge the first 2 episodes into 1,then guess what?4 episodes.Now that would piss some fans off,plus feeling cheated,since you pay x amount of money for 4 episodes not for 5 yada yada yada.
The Kenny/Wellington flashbacks were pretty shit,but I really liked the rest of them.
Very poetic,nicely said.She lived up to her expectations.Abandoning everyone in a selfish way.
The Kenny and Wellington flashbacks are clearly rushed and not good quality.
Maybe that's why they chose the Jane ending at the preview.
Yes, in a rushed and desperate, selfish, fear-induced way.
Yeah, I don't know. I actually liked Jane's death. And I know I'm heavily in the minority about it, too.
People keep saying that it didn't make sense to her character but I thought it did. I could totally see her pull something like that.