Still, don't change your path because of what the future holds. What you chose is Season 2, should remain your choice. I've played Season 1 and 2 over and over and I remain by my choices again and again, with a few dialog changes to mix it up a little.
I just realized, there is a lot of bad in the Walking Dead world...
But still we should hold on to the good. The moments, the friendships and little things that kept us human. I'm not giving up on Clementine. And should any determinant characters return, I will continue to hold on to said hope. And somehow, someway, my faith will be rewarded.
Those moments should be held on to, to remember that there are streams of light in that dark world. And should be held on to.
When this season first started, I was really looking forward to Lilly &/or Christa maybe returning. But now...
Stay away. STAY AWAY. I'd rather remember them as complex, well-written characters and never see them again if the alternative is them returning only to suffer stupid, out of character deaths for no reason.
Completely agree with you OP
When this season first started, I was really looking forward to Lilly &/or Christa maybe returning. But… more now...
Stay away. STAY AWAY. I'd rather remember them as complex, well-written characters and never see them again if the alternative is them returning only to suffer stupid, out of character deaths for no reason.
I was naive more or less, thinking a new community could be run with Clementine, Jane and the family.
I am upset, but I can't sink in cynicism more than I already have. Many losses have upset me in this game, but I keep soldiering on. It's hard, it's dark and it sucks, but we must hold on to what makes this game series special.
Telltale really needs to bring back the original writers. Or at least hire new writers who actually understand that killing characters left and right doesn't make for compelling drama.
And so true words Frosty5. For bringing back the original writers or new understanding writers. Hell I wish I could've been a writer for this series. Of course, it's just a pipe dream but I want to believe I can. Somehow.
Let's be real. They're all going to die. Again.
Telltale really needs to bring back the original writers. Or at least hire new writers who actually understand that killing characters left and right doesn't make for compelling drama.
Ahhh, now I wish for that more than ever.
And so true words Frosty5. For bringing back the original writers or new understanding writers… more. Hell I wish I could've been a writer for this series. Of course, it's just a pipe dream but I want to believe I can. Somehow.
Aye, that would be. I've seen many a story via film, book or audio and believe I could be capable.
But then again, this is the Walking Dead. Expectations will be high and I fear I won't be capable of meeting them. I fear I won't give characters enough time, or making them last a long time (nothing wrong with that mind you).
All I am is a starry-eyed dreamer. Partially afraid, I won't make the cut and if I do, I will be run dry in a few years. I like to believe that not be the case.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Jane's suicide is makes sense for her character.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler… more and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Problem is that the entire premise of her death makes no sense. Season 2 Jane would've never let herself get pregnant. She's concerned about her survival, and she knows the risks of getting pregnant, especially with Rebecca freaking out about her baby right next to her. When she had sex with Luke, I'm pretty sure everyone just assumed she had non-penetrative or anal sex with him, because anything otherwise makes absolutely no sense for her character. She would never have risked being impregnated for a quickie.
I can kind of understand your reasoning for why she killed herself, but the fact of the matter is that Season 2 Jane never would've gotten pregnant in the first place.
Jane's suicide is makes sense for her character.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler… more and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
imo, her being pregnant in the first place bothers me. the same episode that she mentions she wouldn't bring a baby into this world, she "makes it" with luke. it makes no sense why her, of all people, would do that. also, clem is left completely in the dark about it. no note or anything left behind, despite how close these two were and what they've both done for each other in episode 5. it's even more depressing given kenny's death if you go with him.
Jane's suicide is makes sense for her character.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler… more and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Problem is that the entire premise of her death makes no sense. Season 2 Jane would've never let herself get pregnant. She's concerned about… more her survival, and she knows the risks of getting pregnant, especially with Rebecca freaking out about her baby right next to her. When she had sex with Luke, I'm pretty sure everyone just assumed she had non-penetrative or anal sex with him, because anything otherwise makes absolutely no sense for her character. She would never have risked being impregnated for a quickie.
I can kind of understand your reasoning for why she killed herself, but the fact of the matter is that Season 2 Jane never would've gotten pregnant in the first place.
I appreciate your response! What I would like to do, to feel like the narrative is coherent, is to find a way in which Jane could have become pregnant while also having taken precautions. Do you have anything in mind?
Problem is that the entire premise of her death makes no sense. Season 2 Jane would've never let herself get pregnant. She's concerned about… more her survival, and she knows the risks of getting pregnant, especially with Rebecca freaking out about her baby right next to her. When she had sex with Luke, I'm pretty sure everyone just assumed she had non-penetrative or anal sex with him, because anything otherwise makes absolutely no sense for her character. She would never have risked being impregnated for a quickie.
I can kind of understand your reasoning for why she killed herself, but the fact of the matter is that Season 2 Jane never would've gotten pregnant in the first place.
I appreciate your response! What I would like to do, to feel like the narrative is coherent, is to find a way in which Jane could have become pregnant while also having taken precautions. Do you have anything in mind?
... not really, no. Jane just shouldn't have been pregnant in the first place
Seriously, they should've just had the family try to rob Jane and Clem, and Jane gets killed during the struggle or something. Would've been just as lazy as Kenny's death, but at it least would've made sense.
I appreciate your response! What I would like to do, to feel like the narrative is coherent, is to find a way in which Jane could have become pregnant while also having taken precautions. Do you have anything in mind?
... not really, no. Jane just shouldn't have been pregnant in the first place
Seriously, they should've just had the family try to rob J… moreane and Clem, and Jane gets killed during the struggle or something. Would've been just as lazy as Kenny's death, but at it least would've made sense.
Don't you think it is a possibility that Jane was reckless on that opportunity, gave in to her impulses, and had sex? She was under stress and doubt after having robbed an innocent teenager while under survivor's auto-pilot, and, considering that she is a human, she slipped up.
That might be part of why she left in the first place.
imo, her being pregnant in the first place bothers me. the same episode that she mentions she wouldn't bring a baby into this world, she "ma… morekes it" with luke. it makes no sense why her, of all people, would do that. also, clem is left completely in the dark about it. no note or anything left behind, despite how close these two were and what they've both done for each other in episode 5. it's even more depressing given kenny's death if you go with him.
... not really, no. Jane just shouldn't have been pregnant in the first place
Seriously, they should've just had the family try to rob J… moreane and Clem, and Jane gets killed during the struggle or something. Would've been just as lazy as Kenny's death, but at it least would've made sense.
Nah, Jane is selfish, but mainly, she is a survivor. She would find a way to abort the baby or somethin like that, or even kill the newborn baby. I don't think she would kill herself for any reason. Also, her model here is just HORRIBLE. WTF??? GOOD GRAPHICS AND HORRIBLE DESIGN? the flashback is rushed and the two outcomes about the family, for example, was basically ignored.
I don't even like Jane that much, and yet, that was cringe worth.
Jane's suicide is makes sense for her character.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler… more and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Huh... Well, shit. Bob (TWD TV) was in 2 groups that all died before joining Rick's group... Clem has now been with 2 groups who've all died or gone missing, so maybe 3rd time's a charm? If not, the writers must really hate Clem...
Don't you think it is a possibility that Jane was reckless on that opportunity, gave in to her impulses, and had sex? She was under stress a… morend doubt after having robbed an innocent teenager while under survivor's auto-pilot, and, considering that she is a human, she slipped up.
That might be part of why she left in the first place.
Remember when Jane used to say things like "You can't save her", "She's alive, but not safe", "It's her choice", "Sometimes, you just need to let people go", "Some people just want to give up"... In the end, all those words ended up being about her. And that's it.
Now I can understand her choice. Probably.
And I just have to say one more thing.
Pregnant with Luke's baby? Gosh, what I was thinking? I never noticed Luke and her were actually "knowing each other" in episode 4 lmao I always believed that they're just making out, yk? "Kissing stuff". I'd never considered the possibility that they made "everything", if you know what I mean.
Nah, Jane is selfish, but mainly, she is a survivor. She would find a way to abort the baby or somethin like that, or even kill the newborn … morebaby. I don't think she would kill herself for any reason. Also, her model here is just HORRIBLE. WTF??? GOOD GRAPHICS AND HORRIBLE DESIGN? the flashback is rushed and the two outcomes about the family, for example, was basically ignored.
I don't even like Jane that much, and yet, that was cringe worth.
Nah, Jane is selfish, but mainly, she is a survivor. She would find a way to abort the baby or somethin like that, or even kill the newborn … morebaby. I don't think she would kill herself for any reason. Also, her model here is just HORRIBLE. WTF??? GOOD GRAPHICS AND HORRIBLE DESIGN? the flashback is rushed and the two outcomes about the family, for example, was basically ignored.
I don't even like Jane that much, and yet, that was cringe worth.
I don't know of a way in which Jane could have aborted. Somebody mentioned earlier that she could've used a clothes hanger, but I am blind as to how that works.
Yes, her model was bad, and yes, it was cringe-worthy, but I do not believe that her suicide is out of character nor bad writing.
Nah, Jane is selfish, but mainly, she is a survivor. She would find a way to abort the baby or somethin like that, or even kill the newborn … morebaby. I don't think she would kill herself for any reason. Also, her model here is just HORRIBLE. WTF??? GOOD GRAPHICS AND HORRIBLE DESIGN? the flashback is rushed and the two outcomes about the family, for example, was basically ignored.
I don't even like Jane that much, and yet, that was cringe worth.
I highly doubt that any amount of stress would've made Jane risk being impregnated, especially since the group she was with at the time were all freaking out about a baby.
Don't you think it is a possibility that Jane was reckless on that opportunity, gave in to her impulses, and had sex? She was under stress a… morend doubt after having robbed an innocent teenager while under survivor's auto-pilot, and, considering that she is a human, she slipped up.
That might be part of why she left in the first place.
Yeah, if only they pay attention to this forum, which I fear they may close this discussion, due to the banter we are nut shelling. I appreciate these responses. I've gotten more than in any other thread I have done. I fear it is only a matter of time.
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i feel ya, OP. :c
Knew that they weren't trustworthy. Thank you major. I can re play episode 5 and not accept the family.
Still, don't change your path because of what the future holds. What you chose is Season 2, should remain your choice. I've played Season 1 and 2 over and over and I remain by my choices again and again, with a few dialog changes to mix it up a little.
I just realized, there is a lot of bad in the Walking Dead world...
But still we should hold on to the good. The moments, the friendships and little things that kept us human. I'm not giving up on Clementine. And should any determinant characters return, I will continue to hold on to said hope. And somehow, someway, my faith will be rewarded.
Those moments should be held on to, to remember that there are streams of light in that dark world. And should be held on to.
Completely agree with you OP
When this season first started, I was really looking forward to Lilly &/or Christa maybe returning. But now...
Stay away. STAY AWAY. I'd rather remember them as complex, well-written characters and never see them again if the alternative is them returning only to suffer stupid, out of character deaths for no reason.
So true...
Maybe that is for the best. But I still wish for them to return somehow. I just don't know.
So wait the family in Ep 5 aren't trustworthy?
Yeah they just run off with some food. For no reason.
Apparently, not.
I was naive more or less, thinking a new community could be run with Clementine, Jane and the family.
I am upset, but I can't sink in cynicism more than I already have. Many losses have upset me in this game, but I keep soldiering on. It's hard, it's dark and it sucks, but we must hold on to what makes this game series special.
Let's just hope it doesn't end with practically every member of the group dying... again... for the third time...
What happens if we don't let them in Howe's?
I'm hoping and praying for that more than ever.
Absolutely nothing. The only thing letting them in or not affects is one line of dialogue from Jane.
She either says "that asshole family stole half our food and ran", or "that asshole family broke in and stole half our food".
Let's be real. They're all going to die. Again.
Telltale really needs to bring back the original writers. Or at least hire new writers who actually understand that killing characters left and right doesn't make for compelling drama.
Ahhh, now I wish for that more than ever.
And so true words Frosty5. For bringing back the original writers or new understanding writers. Hell I wish I could've been a writer for this series. Of course, it's just a pipe dream but I want to believe I can. Somehow.
Honestly, I don't doubt that you could've done a better job writing season 3 XD
Aye, that would be. I've seen many a story via film, book or audio and believe I could be capable.
But then again, this is the Walking Dead. Expectations will be high and I fear I won't be capable of meeting them. I fear I won't give characters enough time, or making them last a long time (nothing wrong with that mind you).
All I am is a starry-eyed dreamer. Partially afraid, I won't make the cut and if I do, I will be run dry in a few years. I like to believe that not be the case.
Jane's suicide is makes sense for her character.
It would've been highly dangerous for Clementine to take care of a weak woman, a toddler and a baby, all at once, especially with little resources and no medical expertise; Jane knew that. Perhaps she believed that she had taught Clem all she could, and so the last purpose of her existence had been fulfilled. There was no motive to continue to live under the torture of flashbacks of Jamie's death and wait to undergo labor and worsen the life of Clementine. And, even though Clem was important to her, she was planning to leave in "Amid The Ruins" without saying a heartbreaking goodbye; this was the same.
What ruined the outcome of Jane's ending was not the acting of her character, but the short length of the segment that makes it abrupt and lackluster, and the terrible models that highlight the idea that it's not meant to be taken seriously.
My new favorite clip!
Problem is that the entire premise of her death makes no sense. Season 2 Jane would've never let herself get pregnant. She's concerned about her survival, and she knows the risks of getting pregnant, especially with Rebecca freaking out about her baby right next to her. When she had sex with Luke, I'm pretty sure everyone just assumed she had non-penetrative or anal sex with him, because anything otherwise makes absolutely no sense for her character. She would never have risked being impregnated for a quickie.
I can kind of understand your reasoning for why she killed herself, but the fact of the matter is that Season 2 Jane never would've gotten pregnant in the first place.
Sure thing. Cause I chose the clip for what it says and I always express honesty.
imo, her being pregnant in the first place bothers me. the same episode that she mentions she wouldn't bring a baby into this world, she "makes it" with luke. it makes no sense why her, of all people, would do that. also, clem is left completely in the dark about it. no note or anything left behind, despite how close these two were and what they've both done for each other in episode 5. it's even more depressing given kenny's death if you go with him.
Possibly...haven't given that much thought about it.
I appreciate your response! What I would like to do, to feel like the narrative is coherent, is to find a way in which Jane could have become pregnant while also having taken precautions. Do you have anything in mind?
I hope that the family comes back. So Clem can shoot there asses.
Honestly, drawing a blank. It was just one of those things I just let go by the wayside.
I think that's going a little too far.
... not really, no. Jane just shouldn't have been pregnant in the first place
Seriously, they should've just had the family try to rob Jane and Clem, and Jane gets killed during the struggle or something. Would've been just as lazy as Kenny's death, but at it least would've made sense.
True.
Don't you think it is a possibility that Jane was reckless on that opportunity, gave in to her impulses, and had sex? She was under stress and doubt after having robbed an innocent teenager while under survivor's auto-pilot, and, considering that she is a human, she slipped up.
That might be part of why she left in the first place.
What if Jane was reckless in that occasion?
See the comment below.
Nah, Jane is selfish, but mainly, she is a survivor. She would find a way to abort the baby or somethin like that, or even kill the newborn baby. I don't think she would kill herself for any reason. Also, her model here is just HORRIBLE. WTF??? GOOD GRAPHICS AND HORRIBLE DESIGN? the flashback is rushed and the two outcomes about the family, for example, was basically ignored.
I don't even like Jane that much, and yet, that was cringe worth.
Huh... Well, shit. Bob (TWD TV) was in 2 groups that all died before joining Rick's group... Clem has now been with 2 groups who've all died or gone missing, so maybe 3rd time's a charm? If not, the writers must really hate Clem...
That sound's plausible.
Remember when Jane used to say things like "You can't save her", "She's alive, but not safe", "It's her choice", "Sometimes, you just need to let people go", "Some people just want to give up"... In the end, all those words ended up being about her. And that's it.
Now I can understand her choice. Probably.
And I just have to say one more thing.
Pregnant with Luke's baby? Gosh, what I was thinking? I never noticed Luke and her were actually "knowing each other" in episode 4 lmao I always believed that they're just making out, yk? "Kissing stuff". I'd never considered the possibility that they made "everything", if you know what I mean.
Well... That's just sad.
You know Telltale fucked up when even people that don't like Jane realize her death was horribly written.
Yeah...and I paid the spoiler price with my curiosity. I should have known better.
I don't know of a way in which Jane could have aborted. Somebody mentioned earlier that she could've used a clothes hanger, but I am blind as to how that works.
Yes, her model was bad, and yes, it was cringe-worthy, but I do not believe that her suicide is out of character nor bad writing.
I highly doubt that any amount of stress would've made Jane risk being impregnated, especially since the group she was with at the time were all freaking out about a baby.
Yeah, if only they pay attention to this forum, which I fear they may close this discussion, due to the banter we are nut shelling. I appreciate these responses. I've gotten more than in any other thread I have done. I fear it is only a matter of time.