400 days people:what happen?eddie?nate?nice characters with state unknown
well what happen with the people of 400 days...for example if you go with tavia you never look the death of the characters...and if you stay in the campsite never encounter the body of they....
they continue with life?any chance of encounter vince,the two sisters or nate...?Eddie?
telltale lose good characters with nice personality and story...why they decide créate more new characters and lose the chance with this olds characters withs state unknown
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Because with the exception of Taavia, Nate, and maybe Becca, they're all determinant.
Telltale forgot they existed.
You don't know how badly I want to see Nate again.
Unfortunately we'll never see the 400 Days characters again though. Why? Because Telltale.
Screw them. Season 3 is better off without them.
Some characters in twd are just unknown
Yeah, me too. Imo, he had an interesting personality, as a villain, I guess.
i really did not care for 400 days it was a pointless dlc even to tell a backstory
for a few characters to appear in season 2 and i really did not like that many
the only ones i liked were bonnie shel and becca so i seen the ones i
wanted to see i hoped to see them again but not this season over all
i really hate this season its as bad as the 400 days totally pointless
The thing i found strange about it, was that they chose Bonnie to be a supporting character, when too be honest, she wasn't that popular to begin with. I mean Shel and Becca were probably the most popular and it make sense for them to be with the group hence Clementine and Becca but i feel like they did what they did with Kenny and Jane in season 3, made a dlc, then didn't know what to do so they just made them carver's group. Nate is long gone, he was used for Russells story and Wyatts, as good as he was to people, telltale weren't as keen on him. What i never understood, why was Eddie was on amid the ruins slider photo behind Clementine. Why put him on it if he was never even going to be in the episode let a lone the whole season.
I hope I didn't condemn them by convincing them to go with Tavia. I'm just guessing they escaped just in time but we'll probably never see them again.
Because she was the only one guaranteed to go with Tavia.
A combination of place holding and possibly dummies out plans.
I think the better question is why did they choose Bonnie to be the one who goes no matter what thus making her the supporting character.
The best thing about 400 days were the easter eggs all over the place and got to see different personalities. Even though I disliked most of these people in 400 days
400 days was only there to introduce Bonnie, really.
The fact that the narrative went with a new character is indeed strange but not so surprising.
Surviving characters have been pushed aside plenty of times so far, Lilly is still out there, same for Molly, Arvo, Bonnie, Mike... Your chances to meeting with Vince and the others are just as likely.
yeah nate is a good villain.
I doubt we'll see any of the 400 days characters seeing how Telltale made it out like 400 days was going to be so impacting on S2 and it had zero impact at all i would not expect anything else but for them post S2 and it's better that way.
That's not really a valid reason.
I mean, Wyatt had an excuse because he thought Eddie couldve been there. Shel for safety with Becca and worried about Ronan. Vince was on the fence it was really only Russell who was hard to convince.
Honestly? I hope that most of them got eaten by the herd.
Maybe because her's is something of a distinct start of darkness?
In the context of the gameplay mechanics, yes it is. Bonnie is the only one who wants to go no matter what and even encourages the others that they're making the right choice.
Plus, Russell, Shel, and Becca are a bit hesitant to trust her because of their experiences, Wyatt is only concerned with potentially finding Eddie, and Vince depends on who he took with him when he escaped. Bonnie, on the other hand, has more or less unintentionally burned her bridges and is desperate enough to want to go.
What does she have to offer? Not much, the only background story is that she liked Luke and she's used as a partner with Mike. There was a lot more potential in someone like Shel and Becca and i don't even like those characters. Bonnie didn't serve much purpose to the game apart from being a background character.
As I've stated before, she was one of the few 400 Days Characters that I thought had something to contribute to the main series, along with Tavia and Becca. And, personally, I thought she had a lot more to offer than Shell, Vince, Russell, and especially Wyatt.
In Bonnie's case, her scenario is more or less a start of darkness establishing that she's made some bad choices in life despite being a relatively kindhearted person, which includes getting addicted to drugs during/after college, getting accused of having an affair with an older married man due to their chemistry, and unintentionally killing his jealous wife when her actions cause the trio to be pursued by a group of secretive survivors that shoot Bonnie. This sets her up to be the one member of the Campfire Group that's desperate enough to go along with Tavia and possibly the only one who worked hard enough to earn herself in Carver's inner circle, which in turn sets her up to recognize how psychotic he's becoming and eventually defect.
Now, as you said, the others debatably have more potential, with Shel and Becca's contrast to [the late] Lee and Clementine as well as Carlos and Sarah making them seem like more appealing choices, particularly those who didn't like Becca, but Bonnie was likely easier to use for many of the reasons I listed.
For some reason I keep thinking that Nate is the Black kid when it occurred to me that Nate is the redneck guy in the truck and that Russell is the Black kid. I kept thinking why is Nate so intimadating, he's just a kid as you can choose for him to be a bad guy. It just occurred to me that I had it backwards and was confused by what everyone was talking about.
It's been ages since I played 400 days and I still hate it. I think that TT is following a trend of doing whatever they want and continuing to erase the past.
I only mentioned Shel because of Becca, as i stated, i was never a fan of Shel or Becca, but i figured they had more to offer then Bonnie. Bonnie's one of my least favourite characters, im guessing shes one your favourites?
The reason for that is purely because she got offered more of a cameo role then the others. Of course she is going to stand out because she got given a supporting role, rather then a cameo like the others, she could've easily had been a cameo, and one of the others could've been in her place, and we'd be saying the same thing like "they knew Carver was becoming a psychotic lunatic". You're only mentioning Bonnie's history, if you don't mention the others, then it will obviously look like she is more dominant.
Bonnie lied to the group even though they were nice to her and gave her supplies and then expects to be forgiven when she caused the deaths of Walter, Alvin and the group to be captured. Im not sure on your personality, but im not gonna forgive a ex junkie for what she did just because she's sorry.
Not really. The best I can easily say about her is that she's among the nicer Season 2 characters and I actually thought she was the 3rd/4th most sympathetic character in No Going Back.
Oh, sour grapes? Yeah, I guess I can understand that.
My point was only that she was made non-determinant, therefore she got the biggest role(including Tavia, for some reason).
Who would you have rather been the one in her place, then?
I only went as far as to talk about her backstory because you seemed to be suggesting that it revolves entirely around Luke(who wasn't in 400 Days) and Mike(her former prisoner) when that's not the case. She had a backstory of her own but in terms of her role in Season 2, then its safe to say that she just became a duo with Mike and was an admirer of Luke, as her 400 Days history is surprisingly skimmed over as far as I know. Don't get me wrong, I like that she and Mike were just these two friendly blokes who helped everyone else with their problems, but you'd think that Bonnie's backstory would have some more relevance.
Actually, Justin is the one who betrays him and he's the one you have to save in order for Vince to go with Tavia, likely for payback. If you saved Danny, Vince seems to look back on his advice fondly and Russell mentions that he got killed sometime before Shel and Becca joined them.
I tend to be a pretty forgiving person depending on the circumstances and Bonnie's makes the cut. She was technically working for Carver at the time by looking for the Cabin Group and its implied that Carver likely would've attacked the Ski Lodge anyway given its location and his treatment of Victor and Roman's groups and determinately Pete, so it's not like its all her fault since she probably would've had to do her job anyway. She clearly didn't expect Walter to be so kind, nor for Carver to up and kill him the way
he did, so her reaction to seeing that and learning what he does to Reggie makes sense.I think something that gets a little muddled about her and Reggie is that they both seem to trust and believe in Carver's leadership despite the fact that he's a psycho but I think what most people overlook is the vague implication that he wasn't always that out of control and he may have truly been a decent enough guy once. Personally, I think he might've been somewhat of a dick to begin with, but he got job done well enough and kept people fed that very had too much to complain about. And she does pretty much throw away the power he gave her to help everyone escape again, so I think that's good enough.
Depends on what side you take, she can turn into a bitch if you don't save Luke or whatever the thing was.
Lol, not at all. I didn't care much for the 400 days character as i have said, all i said was that she was going to stand out because she was given more then a cameo role. Just because she was the only one who went automatically, doesn't mean she should be picked as the one to be in the group. Like i said, Shel and Becca would've been more suited then Bonnie.
Yeah her backstory in 400 days is a lot more interesting then her in season 2. Ex junkie, friendly with Leland, Dee's jealously and suspicion, her killing Dee by mistake, then Leland ditching her, it's interesting yes, but it's nothing to when she's in season 2 She's there to deceive the group, admire Luke, Mike's pal, then she takes off with Mike and Arvo, not really that exciting.
Why would Justin want payback? After Vince saving him?
I never knew Dannys backstory because i always chose to save Justin. I figured he was a con who couldn't be trusted.
It's just the look on Walters face i think it's Walter, when he finds out she betrayed them, she just turns mean and tells him to keep moving. If Carver attacked them, they would've been bette rprepared but because Bonnie was able to scope the place out, she gave Carver a better chance and crashing the ski lodge. We don't know exactly how Carver was, i think it was just that they all were sheep and followed him. Probably thought that he knew how to keep shit together , that they're followed him. Bonnie isn't the most dominant person and Reggie is weak minded, the only one who has some balls is Troy but he follows Carver as well. The rest, just seem to be sheep following someone they think can protect them. Bonnie gets no sympathy from me because her lies and treachery cost the lives of multiple people.
That's interesting because it simultaneously adds to it and also makes some people's dislike for her understandable. It was abundantly clear that Bonnie is at a point where she is desperate for any form of security and happiness she can find that she'll put up with obvious problems even if it hurts her and her's in the process. Luke was apparently the closest thing she found to an actual positive relationship besides Mike, so her desperation to save him after his injury puts him at risk of death is understandable. As odd as I'm sure this is gonna sound, both of the talks with her on Arvo's back porch is one of my favorite moments in part because they actually apply to Clementine as both her own character and as an extension of the player.
In the good version of that scene,the line "When was the last time anyone did what you wanted?" showed some cathartic synergy between the two: Bonnie spent a lot of her screentime doing things specifically to appeal to someone, usually male, that she believed in, at least depending on how you played her in 400 Days and each of those times(Leland, Carver, Luke/Nick, Clementine), things didn't pan out and she ended up regretting the terrible things she did or said in their name; meanwhile, Clementine herself, as many players complained about, had spent a large amount of Season 2 trying to help everyone out, sometimes regardless of their antagonism and even has a few lines complaining about how she is usually the one expected to do everything whether she actually wants to or not. So it made sense at that point in the story for Bonnie to encourage Clementine not to be like her and make her own decisions in life and her not holding Luke’s death against her makes sense because she knows that Clementine, whose likely lighter than her, did what she could to save Luke but there really was nothing she could do.
The bad version of that scene has her get upset with Clementine because of that thing where people who fail to help someone they care about tend to get really upset about it and sometimes even lash out when they feel there was something that could've been done differently, as further demonstrated by Kenny, Lilly, the Stranger, Nick, and Arvo. After failing to find any true connection with people like Leland and Carver, Luke was the only person who was really as good as Bonnie thought they was. So, despite clearly losing that battle to Jane, Bonnie was happy to have him around, so when his leg ended up being injured and he ended up on cracking ice, of course she would do anything she could to save him whether he wants her to or not. If Clementine, who could possibly be lighter than her, decides not go after him and instead follows his order to cover him while he recovers, Bonnie's emotions get the best of her and she tried to save him herself, which ended up getting him (and determinately her as well) killed. So, now once again, she's failed to hold on to someone she admired and this time, it was someone who was worth it, all because, in her mind, Clementine made the choice not to save him.
Both of these are significant because on major criticism of Season is that Clementine has relatively little character in the story: she mostly just agrees/disagrees with ideas of others, has very little personal motivation or drive, and follows what everyone else wants to do. This extends to the fact that many of her choices don’t matter in the long run, despite the game series’s claim to fame being “your choices matter.” One of the many, many reasons I love Sarah is not only because she gave Clementine something of a personal motivation and side project that made perfect sense for her character, but also because she stands out for how her interactions, dialogue, and behavior with Clementine changes depending on how you treat her. Indeed, what I consider to be the worst moment of the Season, if not the whole Series, is Sarah’s “canon” death because in addition to throwing away one of the most interesting, well-developed, and sympathetic characters of the entire Season, it suddenly strips her of this quality by having her death have very little to do with both her own actions and Clementine’s influence on her, right down to not being allowed to participate in the defense of the observation deck despite the obvious build-up for such a thing. And for the same reasons, I also like the scenes where someone gets mad at Clementine for doing something they didn’t agree with because, at the end of the day, she’s only human: there’s only so much she can do on her own, she’s gonna make mistakes every once in a while, she can’t save everyone no matter how hard she tries, and not all of her decisions are gonna go over well.
I suppose. At the very least, Save Becca or Sarah would've been a lot more interesting and less blatantly one-sided than with Jane.
Yeah, pretty much.
No, Vince probably wants payback on Justin, who was definitely a self-righteous scumbag. From what I recall, the two apparently had some sort of falling out and Justin left the group to look for shelter, possibly Carver’s. And something about the way Vince decides to just go along with Tavia makes it somewhat inferable that he wants to settle some sort of score.
Justin(the skinny guy) was something of a con artist, since he was arrested for embezzling from various customers and companies and he admits to lying on the stand and feeling no remorse for doing so because “they knew what they were getting into”; Danny(the thick-bodied Latino), on the otherhand, was apparently arrested on statutory charges, as Justin mocks him for “stealing someone’s virginity”. It’s made somewhat vague as to whether he actually did or not since his only response to the above taunt was to simply say that it wasn’t him and then he just sorta gets distracted thinking about his ex-girlfriend, who apparently got her heart broken when he was arrested; I think this was actually intentional to help make the choice ambiguous since you all are convicted criminals with varying crimes and personalities: so do you shoot the unrepentant con artist who endorses looking out for number one or the friendly guy that endorses looking out for others who may have raped someone?
That’s understandable; I hate Jane for similar reasons. Bonnie obviously realized the significance of essentially betraying him since she later avoids looking at him, which suggests that she only did that to avoid letting it bother her. Really, she was just doing her job, which meant the bad guy in this case and had to deal with the ramifications of that role.
Ironically enough, I always got the Troy was following Carver mostly so that he’d be able to laze about while staying in his good graces.
Whoever else went with Tavia is most likely dead. Jane talks about the ghosts of all the people who died there in her flashback, it seems like the herd truly destroyed the place. It might be possible that they fled through the herd somehow, but I dont see She being able to do that with Becca and I don't see Wyatt or Russell being able to do it alone.
I like to think that whoever stayed behind is still alive out there, somewhere. I left Vince and Shel so my headcanon is that they have a small family with Becca and are relatively safe.
Eddie is dead if he left the car, the credits picture pretty much shows Nate finding him. He is maybe alive if he stayed in the car, but he was sort of an idiot and I can see him getting himself killed even if he did have the car.
Nate is alive. Gotta be. He's capable and one of the few able to go it alone. Plus you just have to keep the most entertaining characters status unknown, in case you want to bring him back again.
Said car ends up outside of Gil's Diner, btw.
I've heard that but when precisely do you see it?
Probably during either Russell or Shel's story. I only learned that because of the wiki.
they need add what happen with the characters,we need the body deaths,zombies or a cameo that they or part of the group of 400 days survive,each time that i play 400 days look the game since diferent perspectives and this is better in the world of walking dead,much characters with diferents objetive,state mental,experiences,etc.
nate and Eddie need a cameo.
and the other guys of 400 days i suspect they have a chance of escape,probably Bonnie advertise,i hope part of the group of 400 days survive,really is a disappointment that telltale decide leave this characters and repalce for other with nothing personality example javi...and the bad villain badger..pffff
you have nate for this,he is a evil and probably still alive,and Eddie well he have chances of survive...vincerussel and becca or shel really i hope a part of this nice group of 400 days appear in the season 3,is really a very disappointed that all die in the atack of howe...probably one or two survive and escape.
yeah but they need chance of new protagonit or this characters with nice personality and you look the result...
this new guy javi is sh... compared with vince,eddie,wyatt,shel,becca or the great evil nate.
really i hope we encounter survivors of this group 400 days.
Let's be real here, Telltale's probably never going to go back to them. They planned on having them give an impact in Season 2 but then changed their minds. Telltale doesn't plan everything out indefinitely and then sticks to it, which is why they've stopped the 'Next Time On' previews because many of them just weren't accurate.
Who?