Why do people hate AJ

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  • Oh... Okay. God bless your sister.

    Paul820630 posted: »

    What kind of person hates a baby?! My sister. ;-(

  • :(

    fallandir posted: »

    A person who hate babies?

  • AJ's reaction when Clem sings to him... That just melt my heart. :3

  • This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ.

    Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • Exactly!

    And there is little they can do with a toddler as a character for now.

    KCohere posted: »

    Theres no particular reason to like anyone until you get to know them.

  • No, but it is unreasonable to hate him.

    TheMPerson posted: »

    Am I supposed to like a baby that came out of the person I had no emotional investment with?

  • Sarah never made it out the trailer and we were never friends

    Clemmy1 posted: »

    I don't hate AJ even though it's a poorly written plot device , " hey clem , your best friend who you just slapped ..has just fallen to her

  • Extra likes, Jimayo!

    if you have a heart

    Well—metaphorically. Everyone has a heart.

    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • THIS X100!!!!

    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • my deal with aj in season 2 was that he was essentially just used as a plot device. it didn't help that i was forced to have some kind of bond with him (on top of having forced bonds with other characters ahem)

    i don't really have that same problem in season 3 now. he's actually kinda adorable, and isn't used to just stir up conflict when the script dictates.

  • edited January 2017

    He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him

    Yeah, no, he really isn't... He's a fictional character. There's a massive difference between disliking the emergence of a poorly written plot device and hating an actual human being.

    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

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    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • edited January 2017

    I don't hate him, but I don't like him either, I simply don't care about him, I wish he didn't exist at all so that the game doesn't pull this "innocent kid" shenanigan gig again. We already had that with Lee with Clementine.

    I know this might sound dark , since everyone here talked about how "Amid the Ruins" was going to be dark because of it's creepy and eerie episode banner, but I was expecting that the baby was going to die in Rebecca's womb... and comes back... through her stomach...

    No, but it is unreasonable to hate him.

  • edited January 2017

    But if some people get annoyed with a fictional baby... I'm afraid to think what they would do about a baby in real life (during the apocalypse)

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him Yeah, no, he really isn't... He's a fictional character. There'

  • I have absolutely no hate to AJ. He's just a cute little toddler.

    But think about it.

    Taking care of a baby in the apocolypse with little to no baby food, diapers, or water is extremely taxing. Not to mention that babies sometimes cry for no reason; they do it just to do it. You have to potty training the child, teach it how to talk, teach it how to walk, which all in all is almost impossible for a 11 to 13 year old to do.

    I don't think people hate AJ, they just dislike him because it's a drag on Clementine, to no fault of AJ's. He's a baby. He can't help that he was born in the zombie freaking apocolypse.

    People that do hate AJ are morons.

  • Remember how Clem scarred her right hand so she can always remember A.J. in one of the flashbacks?

    Too bad most of the players don't get why the hell would she do that because there was no emotional investment to it!

    I can just imagine her eating something with an utensils, looks at her hand, bursts into tears and the players would be just in awe.

    Poptarts posted: »

    I don't hate AJ. I don't know AJ. The issue with using anyone ( not just an infant ) as a plot device to provoke action or emotion is that t

  • I think he's grown to know that when she hums that means to be quiet as a mouse.

    And it is super adorable.

    Also when she holds AJ and cuddles with him... JUST UGH

    Anyone that covers a baby's mouth is a complete moron.

    AJ's reaction when Clem sings to him... That just melt my heart.

  • I don't hate AJ, but I don't have much of a bond either. I wouldn't let it die, but I wouldn't sacrifice myself either TBH.
    Then again in Season Two Episode 5 at the start, I went straight for the baby. I'd protect it as best I can, but I'd also look for a place to give it to (community, etc), where it'd be safer than with me.

    CooCooCole posted: »

    I have absolutely no hate to AJ. He's just a cute little toddler. But think about it. Taking care of a baby in the apocolypse with lit

  • We have to consider the characters real people when we discuss them. There is no point in consuming fiction if you constantly remind yourself and others that nothing depicted happened.

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him Yeah, no, he really isn't... He's a fictional character. There'

  • I believe that's what Clementine did. She left AJ in Richmond before NF took over.

    I don't hate AJ, but I don't have much of a bond either. I wouldn't let it die, but I wouldn't sacrifice myself either TBH. Then again in S

  • You kept the dog filter in the avatar! That's awesome!

    ash2ashes posted: »

    my deal with aj in season 2 was that he was essentially just used as a plot device. it didn't help that i was forced to have some kind of bo

  • edited January 2017

    You see, you're misinterpreting the "hatred" for AJ, like most people. We don't dislike AJ because he's a baby, nor did we have any sort of malice against the character, really. It's that we hate how the character is used. How Clementine is forced to have a bond with him, despite having little to no relevant reasons for doing so, how he's used to create the Kenny vs Jane fight, and how, we as the players, have yet to be able to build a connection with him, outside of being expected to think he's "adorable" from the few minor scenes we've seen in season 3.

    Most people just feel indifferent to him. We don't have any particular reasons to love or hate him, and that's where the issue lies. Had Telltale's writers spent the time to give us an actual cause to care for AJ, other than him just being a baby, it'd be much easier to have concern for his welfare when they decide to use him as a plot device. Instead, they just throw him in whenever they want "drama" and expect us to give a shit. It'd bad writing.

    But if some people get annoyed with a fictional baby... I'm afraid to think what they would do about a baby in real life (during the apocalypse)

  • Yeah probably. Good catch.

    CooCooCole posted: »

    I believe that's what Clementine did. She left AJ in Richmond before NF took over.

  • yeah! i loved it too much for it to only have one use! c:

    You kept the dog filter in the avatar! That's awesome!

  • Everything in a story that is meant to help move the story forward is a plot device.

    ash2ashes posted: »

    my deal with aj in season 2 was that he was essentially just used as a plot device. it didn't help that i was forced to have some kind of bo

  • Thank you!

    We have to consider the characters real people when we discuss them. There is no point in consuming fiction if you constantly remind yourself and others that nothing depicted happened.

  • Yeah, I understand your point. And I also think that it's unfair with Clementine. But there's nothing we can do about it.

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    You see, you're misinterpreting the "hatred" for AJ, like most people. We don't dislike AJ because he's a baby, nor did we have any sort of

  • I can wait to see more interactions betweet these two! <3

    CooCooCole posted: »

    I think he's grown to know that when she hums that means to be quiet as a mouse. And it is super adorable. Also when she holds AJ and cuddles with him... JUST UGH Anyone that covers a baby's mouth is a complete moron.

  • Sure thing!

    Thank you!

  • Yes, I'll agree at times, it's necessary to view the characters as real when discussing them and their motivations. But when someone, in this case being @Jimayo, describes other users as "some of the worst people on the planet" for disliking AJ, as if their opinion on a character somehow determines what kind of person they are outside these forums, I believe it's important to remind ourselves of the line between reality and fiction.

    Otherwise, I do agree with you, though.

    We have to consider the characters real people when we discuss them. There is no point in consuming fiction if you constantly remind yourself and others that nothing depicted happened.

  • That is true! However, good characters need to have both qualities—be effective plot devices that affect the narrative, and have a complex personality and behavior. I believe the user above meant that Alvin Junior is just a plot device.

    Aerie88 posted: »

    Everything in a story that is meant to help move the story forward is a plot device.

  • You're awesome. You know that?

    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • Exactly!

    She became anxious after learning about the New Frontier's uprising at Richmond not because the community where they were heading had been taken, but because Alvin Junior was there and she wouldn't be able to see him.

    CooCooCole posted: »

    I believe that's what Clementine did. She left AJ in Richmond before NF took over.

  • Oh, that does make sense!

    The point of disagreement is that people who might like—or simply don't mind—babies in real life do not take Alvin Junior as a real baby while they play the game, but as a fictional character, and therefore act differently.

    If they did consider him a real baby, and acted toward him like they do with real babies, it would not be necessary to remind ourselves of the line between reality and fiction because there would be no disagreement and nobody would be acting as "some of the worst people on the planet."

    Just different character interpretation philosophies, I suppose.

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    Yes, I'll agree at times, it's necessary to view the characters as real when discussing them and their motivations. But when someone, in thi

  • Yup, that's why Clem flashbacked to when she first met Ava with AJ.

    Exactly! She became anxious after learning about the New Frontier's uprising at Richmond not because the community where they were heading had been taken, but because Alvin Junior was there and she wouldn't be able to see him.

  • edited January 2017

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ.

    Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

    I know right? How are we not supposed to care about this living breathing human being that we know for 1 and a half episodes...

    It's not like we took care of this baby for 4 years during the apocalypse and got to know him, and it must've been fun for an 11 year old girl Clementine to take care him, nurture him all by herself...

    ... wait.

    I really hate it when people start exaggerate/insulting/name-calling people over a fictional character.
    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • Oh, it's perfectly reasonable to feel that way!

    I was expecting that the baby was going to die in Rebecca's womb... and comes back... through her stomach...

    Jane might've feared that would happen to herself! :(

    TheMPerson posted: »

    I don't hate him, but I don't like him either, I simply don't care about him, I wish he didn't exist at all so that the game doesn't pull th

  • Jane might've feared that would happen to herself!

    I think they got pills for that...

    Oh, it's perfectly reasonable to feel that way! I was expecting that the baby was going to die in Rebecca's womb... and comes back... through her stomach... Jane might've feared that would happen to herself!

  • Huh?

    TheMPerson posted: »

    Jane might've feared that would happen to herself! I think they got pills for that...

  • edited January 2017

    Abortion pills... she could've taken does instead of hanging herself like it was the last resort.

    Huh?

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