The one mistake common game devolpers make when doing sequels to a game. Is a charachter like Javier. Tbh i think javier is an amazing descion to have in the game. i really do like javier, he feels like your average family-oriented relatable survivour. The only grasp i see with javier, not him personally but from telltale. is the choice Bias, choice bias occurs when the player knows something before the charachter does. That is a rookie schoolboy mistake that telltale has fallen in to , that i thought they would be able to avoid. anyways im sure they read some forums and my hope is that they will even out the playable charchters (similar to TFTBL) or even GoT espically since in my s2 ending, i shot conrad and clem said shes going to find another way. So like GoT(which was one of my fav TTG) they are determinaly in a postiion where we could see 2 different prespectives similar o the forresters.
There was that romantic dialogue with Carley in episode 3 of the Walking Dead. I think that was because a large number of fans were shipping… more it. Prior to episode 3 there was no dialogue that hinted towards Carley or Lee having romantic feelings for each other.
But also by that logic, can Clem be replaced with Javi? Does Clem have an older brother who ends up being the leader of a group? Does Clem have a family, is Clem a parental figure? Theres more to it than just actions they do, it also depends on the story and character backstory. Again, everyone treats Clem like she is an adult, Tripp speaks to her as if shes the same age as him and no one actually mentions how old she is besides Ava. Considering Clem doesn't even act like the Clem we know, and her past has 0 impact of how the story is to be affected, yes, she can be replaced with another brand new character.
Well with that logic any one could be replaced with another character. Look, TWD has always been about clem, telltale themselves have said t… morehis before(which is why i dont understand why they're trying so hard with javi) . Javi is only in this game in the first place to appeal to new players and that's a fact.
I agree. Even 90 minute episodes would be great. It would keep the episodes fast-paced if that's what Telltale wants, but there'll still be time to slow things down and get to know the characters.
I want to like this group. I already sorta like Tripp, but I don't feel attached to these characters at all because we barely know them.
Wait, can we get that, without the train puzzle but leaving the ability to walk around talking to everyone? Instead of the super epic pewpewpressA QTE fights? Cause, I'm totally onboard with that!
I never said that I despise him so don't put words in my mouth.
Not exactly sure why you would be concerned with my profile picture either. I still have it because I like how it looks and because it's an inside joke.
Totally with you on that. Even though Tripp stepped to Clem in episode 2, he's still been one of the more likeable characters. He volunteered to help and hasn't really been overly aggressive for much of his time, but its easier to like a stranger like that than the family we're supposed to care about. The lack of history for the player to share with the player character is really hurting Javiers family considering the emphasis on them. Tripp is a completely new character to us and Javier just like Kate and Gabe for us, but the game kinda forces us into a situation where we're expected to have an attachment to the latter two. It kinda throws it out of wack for me.
I agree. Even 90 minute episodes would be great. It would keep the episodes fast-paced if that's what Telltale wants, but there'll still be … moretime to slow things down and get to know the characters.
I want to like this group. I already sorta like Tripp, but I don't feel attached to these characters at all because we barely know them.
I have a feeling they might kill Javi off halfway through the season, then we go back to playing as Clementine.
And yeah, that would not be an improvement.
Clem can't be replaced because she's CLEM. Like I said, Tell tale has said TWD has always been about clem so it wouldn't make any sense for them to remove the mascot of the series. The story is built around javi and his background because it's appealing to new players. However, she is still centered around the plot. Also when it's the apocalypse, there isn't any room to act like a kid anymore. It's just like chuck said, your not little or an adult, smart or strong, your just plain alive. Clem does act the same, at least to me. Shes tougher, it's been a long time since s2 and she's been through A LOT. And the reason why she acts this way is because she's afraid of having people with her, because she knows it's just gona hurt in the end. But she is still the same caring person we all know. She's showed this multiple times. Plus she's a teenager, we all know what that's like
But also by that logic, can Clem be replaced with Javi? Does Clem have an older brother who ends up being the leader of a group? Does Clem h… moreave a family, is Clem a parental figure? Theres more to it than just actions they do, it also depends on the story and character backstory. Again, everyone treats Clem like she is an adult, Tripp speaks to her as if shes the same age as him and no one actually mentions how old she is besides Ava. Considering Clem doesn't even act like the Clem we know, and her past has 0 impact of how the story is to be affected, yes, she can be replaced with another brand new character.
Clem can't be replaced because she's CLEM. Like I said, Tell tale has said TWD has always been about clem so it wouldn't make any sense for them to remove the mascot of the series.
Thats what Im trying to say. They arnt replacing Clem because Telltale knows Clem = Money. However, if you replace Clem with a new character, there is now 0 connection to season 1 and 2 and ANF is now "stand-alone."
Clem can't be replaced because she's CLEM. Like I said, Tell tale has said TWD has always been about clem so it wouldn't make any sense for … morethem to remove the mascot of the series. The story is built around javi and his background because it's appealing to new players. However, she is still centered around the plot. Also when it's the apocalypse, there isn't any room to act like a kid anymore. It's just like chuck said, your not little or an adult, smart or strong, your just plain alive. Clem does act the same, at least to me. Shes tougher, it's been a long time since s2 and she's been through A LOT. And the reason why she acts this way is because she's afraid of having people with her, because she knows it's just gona hurt in the end. But she is still the same caring person we all know. She's showed this multiple times. Plus she's a teenager, we all know what that's like
I have a feeling they might kill Javi off halfway through the season, then we go back to playing as Clementine.
And yeah, that would not be an improvement.
But why?I agree that the episodes are too short,and that some characters NEED more development,but why do people ALWAYS want Clementine to be in the spotlight?Permanently. I agree that the story does revolve around her,and you could say that she is the main character,but I think this is enough. You spend most of the time with her,you get to make multiple choices that include her,you even play as her for a little bit,WHY do we need more of her? Now it's just shoving her down our throats. We played as her for one season,we cared for her in another,and this season,she is your buddy. Why is it so bad that you don't get to play as her every fucking time?
I enjoyed Ties That Bind Part One and Two, but I'm agree on some things that all of you are saying.
The episodes are too short, some characters need more development, and we NEED to play more like Clementine.
I totally agree with that, Javier, Tripp, and more need to stay. Let's use the comics as reference, there is a group that continuously lives and faces challenges together instead of a single person being focused on. There's a reason The Walking Dead comic has gone on for as long as it has, people don't go back for just that one character.
I'd probably be done with The Walking Dead if they kill Javi off just so Clementine can get a ton of focus again. That ruins the point of th… moreis new perspective and she had a whole season as the sole protagonist. If they can even it out better, people should be happy with that.
I do like not having to struggle with every walker because I'm playing as an eighty pound eleven year old. Playing as Javier also lets us make choices that have more impact because let's all be honest, would you really let a little girl make the decisions we had as Javier?
But why?I agree that the episodes are too short,and that some characters NEED more development,but why do people ALWAYS want Clementine to b… moree in the spotlight?Permanently. I agree that the story does revolve around her,and you could say that she is the main character,but I think this is enough. You spend most of the time with her,you get to make multiple choices that include her,you even play as her for a little bit,WHY do we need more of her? Now it's just shoving her down our throats. We played as her for one season,we cared for her in another,and this season,she is your buddy. Why is it so bad that you don't get to play as her every fucking time?
I don't know. People act like some fanatic stalkers. I'm fine with how they handled it. I'm not talking about the dialogue, which is awkward in parts and some unexplained head-scratchers like how Clementine made a tree fall, but so far this works better than S2 for me. I don't have forgotten how weird it was to be a 11 year old mastermind, commander and therapist in a group of adults.
But why?I agree that the episodes are too short,and that some characters NEED more development,but why do people ALWAYS want Clementine to b… moree in the spotlight?Permanently. I agree that the story does revolve around her,and you could say that she is the main character,but I think this is enough. You spend most of the time with her,you get to make multiple choices that include her,you even play as her for a little bit,WHY do we need more of her? Now it's just shoving her down our throats. We played as her for one season,we cared for her in another,and this season,she is your buddy. Why is it so bad that you don't get to play as her every fucking time?
Could you explain that to me? Usually games have about 8 hours of gameplay. For a five episode game you would expect episodes to be between 1 hour and 1 hour 30 minutes without considering this is a episodic game and if casual gamers actually want it to be as short.
Telltale knows Clem=TWD. IMO Clem is still very centered around the plot but if you dont see it that way thats fine. And your right, if they took out clem it would basically be a reboot but thats something telltale doesnt want to acknowledge even thought we know thats the point why javi is in this game to begin with.
Clem can't be replaced because she's CLEM. Like I said, Tell tale has said TWD has always been about clem so it wouldn't make any sense for … morethem to remove the mascot of the series.
Thats what Im trying to say. They arnt replacing Clem because Telltale knows Clem = Money. However, if you replace Clem with a new character, there is now 0 connection to season 1 and 2 and ANF is now "stand-alone."
Could you explain that to me? Usually games have about 8 hours of gameplay. For a five episode game you would expect episodes to be between … more1 hour and 1 hour 30 minutes without considering this is a episodic game and if casual gamers actually want it to be as short.
Poogers I like you...but you are so wrong. Clementine is still the heart of this series...her plight and the situation she is in is the dark path of the heroes journey. She has lost everything...she has had to abandon or eat AJ...she may have had to do some horrible things to survive. Part of this season is to learn what she has been through and help her recover the parts of her humanity that are being lost.
Yeah but, the point is, Clem in ANF could just be replaced with another character. The most important thing she's done in the story is bring… more Javi to Prescott, something any other character could have done. Same with killing Eli, a new character could have done the same. Other than that she has done 0 to impact the story, she's just tagged along. Not to mention they have just been doing choices involving Clem, like "Tell the truth or go with your lie" its pretty obvious no one is going to tell the truth because we already know about Clem and dont want to betray her, which is why its pretty annoying that Clem is there for no real reason and then it gets to a choice that involves siding with her or not, and 90% does because we already know who Clem is. If Clem was a different character than all those choices that involved Clem would be way more split than in the 90%
I'd probably be done with The Walking Dead if they kill Javi off just so Clementine can get a ton of focus again. That ruins the point of th… moreis new perspective and she had a whole season as the sole protagonist. If they can even it out better, people should be happy with that.
Telltale makes Clementine a major part of Season 1 and the protagonist of Season 2
Then they decide to introduce a new character as the protagonist, while having Clementine being hostile to said protagonist and the protagonist can choose between Clem or his family.
The protagonist would choose his family.
The players chose Clem
Telltale ignored the vast majority wanting to play as Clem and are paying the price for their lack of vision
But why?I agree that the episodes are too short,and that some characters NEED more development,but why do people ALWAYS want Clementine to b… moree in the spotlight?Permanently. I agree that the story does revolve around her,and you could say that she is the main character,but I think this is enough. You spend most of the time with her,you get to make multiple choices that include her,you even play as her for a little bit,WHY do we need more of her? Now it's just shoving her down our throats. We played as her for one season,we cared for her in another,and this season,she is your buddy. Why is it so bad that you don't get to play as her every fucking time?
I completely agree
It was all about Clementine from the first place, Telltale should understand why the fans are mad.
All of these years Telltale made a huge relationship between us and Clementine, and fans like me are very attached to her.
So don't expect fans to understand it when u suddenly create a new protagonist out of nowhere and just ignore the real protagonist, and just pushing away the character that this game is all about from the first place.
I have the opposite opinion, in that, I am probably done with The Walking Dead if they keep switching protagonists like this, and I am reall… morey not a fan of Javier, he feels super bland.
The Walking Dead from season 1, was always a story about Clementine, season 1 was the story of her getting thrown into the apocalypse, and us protecting her as Lee, season 2 she has matured alot, and goes off on her own (sort of, but not really), and then they end the season with this huge clash, which is all about AJ, and the ending and where AJ ends up and Clem, is the whole focus.
Then we get A New Frontier, all the plot points in season 2 is pretty much thrown out the window, and only vaguely mentioned, Javiers family have somehow survived for 4 years, despite being terrible at pretty much everything they do, and as soon as we get into the game, they kill off a character almost instantly.
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I see what you're saying and I'm not going to just blatantly disagree with everything you said but I want to bring up that I thought Clem was super bland in season 2. She barely showed emotion until episode 5 and I didn't feel like her character developed hardly at all since season 1. She didn't even feel like the Clementine from season 1 and I guess losing Lee and Omid and Christa did something to her but she had no personality whatsoever. I'm actually loving Clem this season because she's extremely aggressive and sassy but has a heart of gold in there. Season 2 I can't even describe one personality trait to be honest. I also think playing an 11 year old girl in the midst of adults and you somehow feel like you're the leader is super strange to me. I almost wish season 3 was the way they went with season 2 so maybe Clementine could be the main protagonist this season. Not to say Javi would die but he could be left in charge of the community.
I have the opposite opinion, in that, I am probably done with The Walking Dead if they keep switching protagonists like this, and I am reall… morey not a fan of Javier, he feels super bland.
The Walking Dead from season 1, was always a story about Clementine, season 1 was the story of her getting thrown into the apocalypse, and us protecting her as Lee, season 2 she has matured alot, and goes off on her own (sort of, but not really), and then they end the season with this huge clash, which is all about AJ, and the ending and where AJ ends up and Clem, is the whole focus.
Then we get A New Frontier, all the plot points in season 2 is pretty much thrown out the window, and only vaguely mentioned, Javiers family have somehow survived for 4 years, despite being terrible at pretty much everything they do, and as soon as we get into the game, they kill off a character almost instantly.
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I wish Clementine's story ended in season 2 with all the different choices. We wouldn't have to live with the flashbacks we got now and she could potentially have a hopeful and happy ending instead of her suffering again for another season.
I agree with you that Clems character in A New Frontier is very interesting, and her my favorite moments of A New Frontier is when her "facade" breaks and she shows the real Clem, such as when the cars are stuck in episode 2, and the reason the flashbacks are my favorite, is because we get to see a happy Clem.
That being said, I hope that Telltale takes the critizism of this season, and takes it to heart, and maybe make season 4 about Clem again, after we have gotten to play as another character, since she will undoubtedly evolve in this game, I hope Telltale sees the outcry as a want for more Clementine, not as "we dont want more walking dead", I think playing as Javier can be a fine way to carry the story forward, I am just worried that Telltale will go even farther away from Clem next game, (if we ever get that), instead of closer now that we have seen how changed she is, it could be really interesting to play as her again.
My favorite choice, which isnt even a choice also expresses how I feel about AJ and Clem, in the second flashback when the Ava girl or whatever her name is comes through the door, I didnt hesitate to raise my gun in AJ's defense, which is what I really want a game to be focused around, playing as Clem, defending AJ, as I think it could bring some interesting things forward, such as do you feed yourself or AJ, whose strength is it most important to keep up? it would be harder to trust people considering you are now a teenager, who also has a child, can you trust other people to look after him?
I see what you're saying and I'm not going to just blatantly disagree with everything you said but I want to bring up that I thought Clem wa… mores super bland in season 2. She barely showed emotion until episode 5 and I didn't feel like her character developed hardly at all since season 1. She didn't even feel like the Clementine from season 1 and I guess losing Lee and Omid and Christa did something to her but she had no personality whatsoever. I'm actually loving Clem this season because she's extremely aggressive and sassy but has a heart of gold in there. Season 2 I can't even describe one personality trait to be honest. I also think playing an 11 year old girl in the midst of adults and you somehow feel like you're the leader is super strange to me. I almost wish season 3 was the way they went with season 2 so maybe Clementine could be the main protagonist this season. Not to say Javi would die but he could be left in charge of the community.
You know how I feel right now?
"I miss Lee."
-Clementine
I really don't think much about Javier. He seems like a very stereotypical generic hero in pretty much all genres these days. I think Clementine's background is far more interesting and underrated in overall media.
I actually loved Clem in season 2.
I think what made her like that in season 2 is how much she lost, i mean this is too much to experience as a little girl.
"Clementines never been overly emotional with her speech unless there is something overly dramatic happening. Ever since Lee/S2 she's been a soft spoken person."
that was the words of her voice actor Mellisa.
Let's recap a bit: she was eight and she lost her parents early in the apocalypse, she also lost her baby sitter and she had nothing, until Lee came and he was like a father to her and she showed real emotions to him.
unfortunately later the group got separated and everyone around her is dead and this little girl saw her parents as walkers and had to shoot the man she loved or leave him suffering.
Later, a random mugger killed Omid by her own gun, and she got separated from Christa and she don't know what happened to her until now.
OF COURSE Clem will be so depressed after all of this and that was her in season 2, and honestly Mellisa and Telltale did a great job showing that.
I see what you're saying and I'm not going to just blatantly disagree with everything you said but I want to bring up that I thought Clem wa… mores super bland in season 2. She barely showed emotion until episode 5 and I didn't feel like her character developed hardly at all since season 1. She didn't even feel like the Clementine from season 1 and I guess losing Lee and Omid and Christa did something to her but she had no personality whatsoever. I'm actually loving Clem this season because she's extremely aggressive and sassy but has a heart of gold in there. Season 2 I can't even describe one personality trait to be honest. I also think playing an 11 year old girl in the midst of adults and you somehow feel like you're the leader is super strange to me. I almost wish season 3 was the way they went with season 2 so maybe Clementine could be the main protagonist this season. Not to say Javi would die but he could be left in charge of the community.
You know how I feel right now?
"I miss Lee."
-Clementine
Yeah I'll second that. It is pretty much like choosing a stranger over your closest family member or own daughter and by this point in time Clementine feels like a virtual family member that you've been through thick and thin with compared to some pot smoking weirdo running in the streets. To build up feelings for Javier maybe the dude just needed his own DLC miniseries instead of Michonne which was kind of cool but a waste of time and I also think that was a grab ass to the comic fans now New Frontier is grab ass for just general new folks to the telltale games whilst still holding on to the old fans with Clem. Telltale has become really "Starved for Cash" lately.
Javi really isn't a stereotypical hero at all. The man clearly has flaws. He had a good baseball career and got involved in something shady that threw it all down the drain. It's implied that he's almost never around his family, plus he does drugs. (last part about drugs is mostly a joke.)
I really don't think much about Javier. He seems like a very stereotypical generic hero in pretty much all genres these days. I think Clementine's background is far more interesting and underrated in overall media.
And Lee passed that protagonist mantle down to Clem as Rick (and Kirkman) would likely do for Carl should Rick bite the dust in the comic at some point. Javier has sort of just appeared from a back alley out of nowhere and taken the games hostage. At least someone from season 2 would had made sense but then that wouldn't work because again of telltale either killing off everyone or making them disappear.
At the very least make them both 50/50 instead it's around 90/10 Javier/Clem when it probably should be reversed given Clems longer history and larger popularity. This is why the choices are skewed in favor of Clem in a landslide over Javier and that is no fun.
Yeah, there's a whole ton of issues. I'm cool with Javier though I just wish there was whole lot more going for Clem as well, I thought I would be getting a "TFTBL" kind of experience with playable characters. Right now her ties with New Frontier is the best chance of being very important to the story and I hope Telltale capitalizes it (I have doubts though). So far this is a very loose continuation of the story I've been following since Season 1.
I want to continue enjoying Javier but I also don't want Clem's importance to also be sacrificed and to enjoy her time in it just as much as he. It's not hard to have a continuity while still introducing a new cast with old cast (Clem/AJ being literally the only ones left.... ermm.).
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The one mistake common game devolpers make when doing sequels to a game. Is a charachter like Javier. Tbh i think javier is an amazing descion to have in the game. i really do like javier, he feels like your average family-oriented relatable survivour. The only grasp i see with javier, not him personally but from telltale. is the choice Bias, choice bias occurs when the player knows something before the charachter does. That is a rookie schoolboy mistake that telltale has fallen in to , that i thought they would be able to avoid. anyways im sure they read some forums and my hope is that they will even out the playable charchters (similar to TFTBL) or even GoT espically since in my s2 ending, i shot conrad and clem said shes going to find another way. So like GoT(which was one of my fav TTG) they are determinaly in a postiion where we could see 2 different prespectives similar o the forresters.
But also by that logic, can Clem be replaced with Javi? Does Clem have an older brother who ends up being the leader of a group? Does Clem have a family, is Clem a parental figure? Theres more to it than just actions they do, it also depends on the story and character backstory. Again, everyone treats Clem like she is an adult, Tripp speaks to her as if shes the same age as him and no one actually mentions how old she is besides Ava. Considering Clem doesn't even act like the Clem we know, and her past has 0 impact of how the story is to be affected, yes, she can be replaced with another brand new character.
I agree. Even 90 minute episodes would be great. It would keep the episodes fast-paced if that's what Telltale wants, but there'll still be time to slow things down and get to know the characters.
I want to like this group. I already sorta like Tripp, but I don't feel attached to these characters at all because we barely know them.
He never said he depised Javi.
I never said that I despise him so don't put words in my mouth.
Not exactly sure why you would be concerned with my profile picture either. I still have it because I like how it looks and because it's an inside joke.
Totally with you on that. Even though Tripp stepped to Clem in episode 2, he's still been one of the more likeable characters. He volunteered to help and hasn't really been overly aggressive for much of his time, but its easier to like a stranger like that than the family we're supposed to care about. The lack of history for the player to share with the player character is really hurting Javiers family considering the emphasis on them. Tripp is a completely new character to us and Javier just like Kate and Gabe for us, but the game kinda forces us into a situation where we're expected to have an attachment to the latter two. It kinda throws it out of wack for me.
I have a feeling they might kill Javi off halfway through the season, then we go back to playing as Clementine.
And yeah, that would not be an improvement.
Clem can't be replaced because she's CLEM. Like I said, Tell tale has said TWD has always been about clem so it wouldn't make any sense for them to remove the mascot of the series. The story is built around javi and his background because it's appealing to new players. However, she is still centered around the plot. Also when it's the apocalypse, there isn't any room to act like a kid anymore. It's just like chuck said, your not little or an adult, smart or strong, your just plain alive. Clem does act the same, at least to me. Shes tougher, it's been a long time since s2 and she's been through A LOT. And the reason why she acts this way is because she's afraid of having people with her, because she knows it's just gona hurt in the end. But she is still the same caring person we all know. She's showed this multiple times. Plus she's a teenager, we all know what that's like
Thats what Im trying to say. They arnt replacing Clem because Telltale knows Clem = Money. However, if you replace Clem with a new character, there is now 0 connection to season 1 and 2 and ANF is now "stand-alone."
I'd stop buying Telltale. That's cheap and stupid.
But why?I agree that the episodes are too short,and that some characters NEED more development,but why do people ALWAYS want Clementine to be in the spotlight?Permanently. I agree that the story does revolve around her,and you could say that she is the main character,but I think this is enough. You spend most of the time with her,you get to make multiple choices that include her,you even play as her for a little bit,WHY do we need more of her? Now it's just shoving her down our throats. We played as her for one season,we cared for her in another,and this season,she is your buddy. Why is it so bad that you don't get to play as her every fucking time?
Which is why it's a possibility.
I totally agree with that, Javier, Tripp, and more need to stay. Let's use the comics as reference, there is a group that continuously lives and faces challenges together instead of a single person being focused on. There's a reason The Walking Dead comic has gone on for as long as it has, people don't go back for just that one character.
And that was glorious
You're depressingly right. It would also be fairly pointless.
They won't increase the length of episodes as that wouldn't appeal to the casual gamer.
I do like not having to struggle with every walker because I'm playing as an eighty pound eleven year old. Playing as Javier also lets us make choices that have more impact because let's all be honest, would you really let a little girl make the decisions we had as Javier?
Even though I want to see more of Clementine, I want see more of Javier as well because he is a great character.
I don't know. People act like some fanatic stalkers. I'm fine with how they handled it. I'm not talking about the dialogue, which is awkward in parts and some unexplained head-scratchers like how Clementine made a tree fall, but so far this works better than S2 for me. I don't have forgotten how weird it was to be a 11 year old mastermind, commander and therapist in a group of adults.
He should've gotten a whole new separate story because he can never outshine Clementine and the developers should've known that.
Could you explain that to me? Usually games have about 8 hours of gameplay. For a five episode game you would expect episodes to be between 1 hour and 1 hour 30 minutes without considering this is a episodic game and if casual gamers actually want it to be as short.
Telltale knows Clem=TWD. IMO Clem is still very centered around the plot but if you dont see it that way thats fine. And your right, if they took out clem it would basically be a reboot but thats something telltale doesnt want to acknowledge even thought we know thats the point why javi is in this game to begin with.
I don't know. These are the people who think that no play through of season 2 was the same
Poogers I like you...but you are so wrong. Clementine is still the heart of this series...her plight and the situation she is in is the dark path of the heroes journey. She has lost everything...she has had to abandon or eat AJ...she may have had to do some horrible things to survive. Part of this season is to learn what she has been through and help her recover the parts of her humanity that are being lost.
I'd probably be the same.
Telltale makes Clementine a major part of Season 1 and the protagonist of Season 2
Then they decide to introduce a new character as the protagonist, while having Clementine being hostile to said protagonist and the protagonist can choose between Clem or his family.
The protagonist would choose his family.
The players chose Clem
Telltale ignored the vast majority wanting to play as Clem and are paying the price for their lack of vision
Clem wanting Carver dead proves your ignorance
James Bond, Batman, Superman, Mario, Sonic etc would like to tell you having a consistent protagonist is a great idea
I completely agree
It was all about Clementine from the first place, Telltale should understand why the fans are mad.
All of these years Telltale made a huge relationship between us and Clementine, and fans like me are very attached to her.
So don't expect fans to understand it when u suddenly create a new protagonist out of nowhere and just ignore the real protagonist, and just pushing away the character that this game is all about from the first place.
I see what you're saying and I'm not going to just blatantly disagree with everything you said but I want to bring up that I thought Clem was super bland in season 2. She barely showed emotion until episode 5 and I didn't feel like her character developed hardly at all since season 1. She didn't even feel like the Clementine from season 1 and I guess losing Lee and Omid and Christa did something to her but she had no personality whatsoever. I'm actually loving Clem this season because she's extremely aggressive and sassy but has a heart of gold in there. Season 2 I can't even describe one personality trait to be honest. I also think playing an 11 year old girl in the midst of adults and you somehow feel like you're the leader is super strange to me. I almost wish season 3 was the way they went with season 2 so maybe Clementine could be the main protagonist this season. Not to say Javi would die but he could be left in charge of the community.
You know how I feel right now?
"I miss Lee."
-Clementine
I wish Clementine's story ended in season 2 with all the different choices. We wouldn't have to live with the flashbacks we got now and she could potentially have a hopeful and happy ending instead of her suffering again for another season.
I agree with you that Clems character in A New Frontier is very interesting, and her my favorite moments of A New Frontier is when her "facade" breaks and she shows the real Clem, such as when the cars are stuck in episode 2, and the reason the flashbacks are my favorite, is because we get to see a happy Clem.
That being said, I hope that Telltale takes the critizism of this season, and takes it to heart, and maybe make season 4 about Clem again, after we have gotten to play as another character, since she will undoubtedly evolve in this game, I hope Telltale sees the outcry as a want for more Clementine, not as "we dont want more walking dead", I think playing as Javier can be a fine way to carry the story forward, I am just worried that Telltale will go even farther away from Clem next game, (if we ever get that), instead of closer now that we have seen how changed she is, it could be really interesting to play as her again.
My favorite choice, which isnt even a choice also expresses how I feel about AJ and Clem, in the second flashback when the Ava girl or whatever her name is comes through the door, I didnt hesitate to raise my gun in AJ's defense, which is what I really want a game to be focused around, playing as Clem, defending AJ, as I think it could bring some interesting things forward, such as do you feed yourself or AJ, whose strength is it most important to keep up? it would be harder to trust people considering you are now a teenager, who also has a child, can you trust other people to look after him?
I really don't think much about Javier. He seems like a very stereotypical generic hero in pretty much all genres these days. I think Clementine's background is far more interesting and underrated in overall media.
I don't think I've seen you butthurt when Lee died though.
I actually loved Clem in season 2.
I think what made her like that in season 2 is how much she lost, i mean this is too much to experience as a little girl.
"Clementines never been overly emotional with her speech unless there is something overly dramatic happening. Ever since Lee/S2 she's been a soft spoken person."
that was the words of her voice actor Mellisa.
Let's recap a bit: she was eight and she lost her parents early in the apocalypse, she also lost her baby sitter and she had nothing, until Lee came and he was like a father to her and she showed real emotions to him.
unfortunately later the group got separated and everyone around her is dead and this little girl saw her parents as walkers and had to shoot the man she loved or leave him suffering.
Later, a random mugger killed Omid by her own gun, and she got separated from Christa and she don't know what happened to her until now.
OF COURSE Clem will be so depressed after all of this and that was her in season 2, and honestly Mellisa and Telltale did a great job showing that.
Yeah I'll second that. It is pretty much like choosing a stranger over your closest family member or own daughter and by this point in time Clementine feels like a virtual family member that you've been through thick and thin with compared to some pot smoking weirdo running in the streets. To build up feelings for Javier maybe the dude just needed his own DLC miniseries instead of Michonne which was kind of cool but a waste of time and I also think that was a grab ass to the comic fans now New Frontier is grab ass for just general new folks to the telltale games whilst still holding on to the old fans with Clem. Telltale has become really "Starved for Cash" lately.
Javi really isn't a stereotypical hero at all. The man clearly has flaws. He had a good baseball career and got involved in something shady that threw it all down the drain. It's implied that he's almost never around his family, plus he does drugs.
(last part about drugs is mostly a joke.)
And Lee passed that protagonist mantle down to Clem as Rick (and Kirkman) would likely do for Carl should Rick bite the dust in the comic at some point. Javier has sort of just appeared from a back alley out of nowhere and taken the games hostage. At least someone from season 2 would had made sense but then that wouldn't work because again of telltale either killing off everyone or making them disappear.
At the very least make them both 50/50 instead it's around 90/10 Javier/Clem when it probably should be reversed given Clems longer history and larger popularity. This is why the choices are skewed in favor of Clem in a landslide over Javier and that is no fun.
Yeah, there's a whole ton of issues. I'm cool with Javier though I just wish there was whole lot more going for Clem as well, I thought I would be getting a "TFTBL" kind of experience with playable characters. Right now her ties with New Frontier is the best chance of being very important to the story and I hope Telltale capitalizes it (I have doubts though). So far this is a very loose continuation of the story I've been following since Season 1.
I want to continue enjoying Javier but I also don't want Clem's importance to also be sacrificed and to enjoy her time in it just as much as he. It's not hard to have a continuity while still introducing a new cast with old cast (Clem/AJ being literally the only ones left.... ermm.).