Another Lee Flashback?
Do you think it's possible that we will get a Lee flashback this season?
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Do you think it's possible that we will get a Lee flashback this season?
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Hopefully not. I'm honestly sick of Lee at this point.
As much as I love Lee, I think we all need to move on from him.
Why?
I get that some players are sick of Lee, but try to think about it from Clem's view. He has shaped what she is now. If they do show another flashback with him it's for the purpose of narrative.
You might be sick of Lee but Clem isn't and she most likely still misses him.
Because he's been dead for ages and yet people just won't stop talking about him, he even sneaked his way into a dream sequence. In S2 When Bonnie's on her anti man train I picked There not all like that. I was thinking Clem would just say that not all men are bad, but what happens is:
Clementine- "My friend Lee, he was a good man."
AgentZ46- "UGH! Lee this, Lee that."
I mean I wouldnt mind, but those poor new players wouldnt understand
Also, I cant imagine what Lee would look like in the New Engine.
Conrad with some subtle, but very noticeable, changes.
Of course! He started it all, (The Game series) he deserves to be remembered and mentioned
I woulda liked to have one last flashback with him but now that you mention the new engine yeah forget it. I'd rather not.
Too bad the NEW PLAYERS (because there are SO MANY new players haha...) won't understand who Lee is.
Man...I still not forget about Lee.No one in TWD par with Lee
Fortunately for you ANF solved that problem.
Yup. Telltale has so should we.
Tell me why this 'newcomer' meme was a good idea again?
If they do a Lee flashback, I think it would be a very good idea to have it be one where he is the PC again.
Give the players one last little snippet of playing as him again.
(For example, to have him give advice to Clementine about how to act in a certain situation that she remembers, and she does what you advised to her in the flashback later on, back in the present day)
I know it's a reasonable assessment to say that Lee's time with Clem quantitatively was marginal in the bigger picture, but I think it's wrong to say that his guardianship of her didn't amount to much.
In the survival department, yeah he didn't teach her much - he didn't have time to. And a lot of the stuff he did teach was from Chuck's directive, but the fact remains that his tutorship of her formed the foundations of her development into the person she is in Season 2 and ANF.
Added onto the fact that he was the first person to find and be with her, that her own personal story of finding her family is joined with him, that she herself got him killed out of her own mistake... There's a lot of emotional links for Clem with him.
Plus there's a ton of dialogue in S2 that shows that Clem still thinks about Lee often over a year after the events of S1 and that his actions/death changed her more than any other character did (Dinner conversation, Fireplace talk, Truck talk).
I've no idea who's edited this as having spoilers. I didn't tick that box?
I don't think i did put any spoilers either, did i?
I like that cus i want to see how will lee look like in the new engine
I disagree. Like I said, he didn't teach her much, but he was the first one to open up her eyes through the harshness of the world around her and encourage her to actually start having some agency. Through this, she then went on to survive and learn things from everyone else.
Thinking on this from Clem's perspective, I don't see how it's wrong to say Lee had a major influence on her on par with other 'guardians' - emotionally, which is definitely wrong, and practically, which is at the very least debatable.
I don't want this distraction of a main story plot on how "Season 1 was great", look at the other flashbacks and how they were handled.
Why do we need a flashback of Lee anyway?
Does Clem need pointless advice from a fake-wise-man-Lee they portrayed since S2? Or just to please the minority of us fans?
Maybe a flashback when they were staying at the Motor Inn would be good. You could include Kenny, Lilly, Duck, Carley, etc in the flashback as well, so players don't feel that is all about Lee.
Maybe just maybe they can show us some lessons Lee told clem on the season 1 episode 2 gap of 3 monthes that would mean something to what she is living in the present? Too much? K ._.
Thats not true, she still has the same values that Lee has given her for the most part, its just that she has to be tough, and she cant always act like Lee would have wanted her to, we have to realize, that when Lee was surviving with Clem, and teaching her, it was at the very start of the apocalypse, people did not know if it would blow over quickly, or what was gonna happen, so naturally people would be trusting of each other, people was still adapted to a life, where untrustworthy people was uncommon, but nowadays, 4 years in, you can pretty much not trust anyone, and even if you do "trust" them, you often have to watch your back, its a much more selfish world than when Lee was alive, and Clem has to adapt, but when she "breaks", you can still see her values shine through, and she is still a good person.
I hope they actually do at least something to show how our past choices shaped Clem in A New Frontier, it would be cool if we came across some situation, where people want to steal, and depending on Lees choice in season 1, as well as Clem when dealing with Arvo (you would have to not steal both times), she could either say "stealing is wrong", or "we need it more than them", or something along those lines
That would actually be kind of cool, I would actually like to see some more interaction between Clem and other people in the motor inn group, especially Kenny, since I did not feel like Kenny had "earned" so much gratitude and friendship from Clem, considering they barely ever talk in season 1, I know we can assume they did offscreen, but as a player, when I played season 2, I felt like Clem owed more to the cabin crew than Kenny.
Obviously alot of peoples loyalty towards Kenny comes from playing Lee, and Kenny was a good friend to Lee, and a great asset in surviving, but I doubt Clem would feel the same way, at least from what we have seen in season 1
I kind of agree with you, I like the small homages to Lee better anyways, such as when Clem mentions him, like in season 2 when she says something like "I used to have someone like that, someone who took care of me, he saved me", that stuff is really good, to show that she remembers him, but in reality he is still dead, and showing him again and again would sort of lessen the distance between Clem and Lee in a way, I dunno
How could people play only the season 3 and just ignore season 1 and 2? Who are those people??? Jesus.
He better not appear. Because they'd """""remake""""" his model.
It is certainly possible for Lee to make a flashback appearance but I think that it won't happen.
At this point in her life she had known Kenny for longer than she had known Lee and, depending on your choices of course, was responsible for killing him in season 2 and accidentally in season 3.
So to me it would make Kenny the more likely to appear in another flashback as by this time he's been a greater influence on her life and could very well have taught her more practical survival skills.
From my understanding the Carver choice in season 2 does not appear in the choice generator of season 3. If it had I would have said that it was going to influence a flashback moment. Leave and get Lee, stay and you get Kenny. Something like that.
In the end I wouldn't object to another Lee appearence. David Fennoy has an awesome voice.
Dave
I stopped caring about Lee right at the start of season 2, there where more interesting characters that are still alive to like, but nope now they are gone too. Likely there will be more refrences to Lee later on.
Amen
As long as it's well written, absolutely yes. S2's dream sequence was perfectly timed and at the same time managed to stay simple, innocent and sweet dialogue; just this little girl Clementine once was and a man who sacrificed himself, who was always ready to help or comfort her when she felt lost and scared beyond imagination. At one point of her life he was everything to her.
I can see it working for the new players. For those interested in Clementine it would be an economical, speed-run-ish way to discover her original story without "wasting time" on two previous games, also adding complexity and realism to her character.
Clem owes many people, and Kenny, Jane and Edith have already got their screentime. I think Christa deserves the honorable mention right beside Lee, even though the game didn't let us explore their relationship (16 months timeskip intensities).
Why wouldn't she look back to Lee? Memories are what keep you stronger and give you hope, and Clem needs it, especially now, when she takes care of AJ.
Preach that
Actually, since Lee was the first to take care of her while she was young and impressionable, he may have left an effect on her, many developmentalists say that a child is usually shaped by their first 6 years, I know she wasn't 6 but she probably needed to relearn the little she knew from the pre-apocalypse, and Lee was the first to show her, also unlike babies, she was old enough to remember, which is why she is so attached, even after such a short time.
Like when you see your first teddy bear, even though you only had it for 1 year, it was your FIRST year.
God I saw someone do a livestream and they didn't even know who Clementine was.
I'm torn. On the one hand I am curious as to what Lee (and really, all of the season 1 crew) would look like on the updated engine. On the other hand, having another Lee flashback may be a bit redundant.
Perhaps we can just get a flashback to season 1? I'd say set it during that 3 month time skip between episodes 1 and 2. It wouldn't feel redundant, because it's not just another Lee and Clem flashback, and we get to see the season 1 crew again. Hopefully Telltale wouldn't butcher their models haha.
Oh he absolutely did. But in my opinion you gotta read in between the lines a little to notice. It's a good thing Carver didn't raise her, can you imagine what a little devil she'd grow up to be? Especially being influenced at the age Lee was caring for her.
I'm not demanding a Lee flashback, I'm only saying that if there is one it wouldn't be out of place. I love Lee but I don't need him mentioned every chance there is, watching Clem be herself is enough to remember him.
She also still keeps her hair short
Thank you for the correction.
Sir,if Lee didn't found and took care of Clementine,I think she never show up in season 3.And Clementine said,"He(Lee) teach me how to survive,he teach me how to shoot a gun".
So don't be Lee hater.