Why does everybody like him so much?

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  • edited February 2017

    You're the one who created this thread, dummy!!!! I mentioned my opinion and you're talking shit about it.

    El chapo posted: »

    Are you done yet? I think I've 3 times now that you'd stop trying to continue the argument, that'd be nice, thank you.

  • I liked Kenny for quite a few reasons. If I were to be simple, he is the very first character, upon meeting him at Hershel's farm in episode 1, I instantly warmed to. And then, later in the same episode, he saves Lee's life, so from very early on, I had a sense of loyalty to Kenny, I suppose. But, it's not just that. As the games progress, you see that Kenny's just an overall very sympathetic character, but one who obviously is far from being a saint. He's flawed, having very clear issues controlling his anger, and he's stubborn, often refusing to admit he was wrong, but you still know, no matter how extreme his methods might seem to some, he always has the best of intentions in place. Kenny does genuinely care and when you need him, he'll be there. He's a man who has lost so much, who seems to be at a constant broken path in his life, yet he always goes on, no matter how hard it is for him to do so, to protect and care for those he loves. He's a great character and for me, he really made the series.

  • I created it to have opinions shared, not have rude people come here.

    AronDracula posted: »

    You're the one who created this thread, dummy!!!! I mentioned my opinion and you're talking shit about it.

  • Yeah I couldn't agree more, you're very accurate with what you're saying. I wouldn't say he made the series for me personally, but thats only an opinion of mine, he clearly made the series for you and the must be of great!

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    I liked Kenny for quite a few reasons. If I were to be simple, he is the very first character, upon meeting him at Hershel's farm in episode

  • Thanks man. I have at many times been in heated convos with people but it just goes nowhere and at the end of the day, we all have different views/opinions. It would be a very boring world if we all agreed with each other.

    El chapo posted: »

    Thanks for the welcoming, and yeah you seem very opinionated like myself, not afraid to voice what you think, fair play man.

  • I think you're just trolling. Stop fucking around.

    El chapo posted: »

    I created it to have opinions shared, not have rude people come here.

  • Oh, yeah, thanks for being respectful. I was kinda expecting you to lay into me with reasons he was a horrible person or something, but you didn't so I can respect that you don't force your views.

    El chapo posted: »

    Yeah I couldn't agree more, you're very accurate with what you're saying. I wouldn't say he made the series for me personally, but thats only an opinion of mine, he clearly made the series for you and the must be of great!

  • I liked Season 1 Kenny because:

    • he was kinda cute
    • he tried to make amends with Ben if you didn't drop him from the bell tower
    • he forgives Lee for killing someone pre-apocalypse if you chose to be honest with him about something serious before the RV incident
    • even if you don't side with him completely, he will still back you up in finding Clementine if you were there for his family and you try to convince him that Clementine is like such to you
    • he has some hilarious lines
    • he isn't homophobic
    • he regrets what happened at Hershel's farm
    • he's somewhat? apologetic for his racism
    • even if it's just for Katjaa's sake, he still puts aside his grudge for Christa to try to save her if you dropped Ben from the bell tower
    • he tries to put the children first, even if he does make ableist remarks about his own son
    • he can come up with a decent plan when he's not, like, I don't remember the word or phrase, but yknow? (Compare his defense/pill recovery strategy and escape strategy at the drugstore with his "find a boat" "strategy" - the salt lick strategy is debatable, though)
  • I also liked Jane, but only during the events of episode 3. She didn't feel like a poor Molly clone with a side dish of Carver then.

    I liked Season 1 Kenny because: * he was kinda cute * he tried to make amends with Ben if you didn't drop him from the bell tower * h

  • Well you started by involving yourself negatively into this thread

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    Yeah, looks very negative.

    I didn't start with you, you chose to come here and disagree, which is okay, if you disagreed in a polite manner, which you clearly didn't

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    How is THIS not polite?

    I've asked many times for you to stop instigating this argument politely

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    Yeah, very poiltely

    yet you've refused the offer and continued to comment negatively

    Because look what you said to me.

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    El chapo posted: »

    Well you started by involving yourself negatively into this thread, I didn't start with you, you chose to come here and disagree, which is o

  • Hell no! This is opinions dawg, who am I to tell you that your opinion is wrong? It isn't wrong, it's what you think and there is no wrong answer. I wouldn't attempt to force my views anyway, just say how I feel and see if people can get a different perspective.

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    Oh, yeah, thanks for being respectful. I was kinda expecting you to lay into me with reasons he was a horrible person or something, but you didn't so I can respect that you don't force your views.

  • That's a little harsh about Jane, however I understand how and why you feel that way, and yeah Kenny had some pros that's for sure.

    I also liked Jane, but only during the events of episode 3. She didn't feel like a poor Molly clone with a side dish of Carver then.

  • Kenny vs Jane isn't nearly as difficult a choice to make as Kenny vs Lily would've been. I have a feeling if certain events transpired differently, and we'd ended up here with Lily the fandom would've been more evenly split. With that out of the way, Kenny was an easy choice for me to make. He had an entire season's worth of character development, and his character instantly attaching himself to Clem was more out of the trauma that he suffered than how many times he spoke to her. Regardless of how the player interacts with him as Lee, Clem plays and interacts with Duck. She represents memories of his son to him, even so far that he calls her Duck once. As they interact more in the season, he does see her as herself, and she and AJ give him something he's desperately sought : a new family/a new purpose.

  • Yeah she definitely instigated the fight, I also definitely feel it was a two sided argument and resultant fight, I feel Kenny overreacted, but Jane definitely instigated it. A solid 90% of the fight was Janes fault, don't get me wrong.

    I appreciate your kind words, if more people were polite about how they feel (like you were) more mutual conversations would acure. Especially with how strongly you feel about the matter, that didn't make you delusional in your argument, and that's great.

  • That's nice he was an easy choice for you. You respected his character and what he stood for and that's great man!

    Poptarts posted: »

    Kenny vs Jane isn't nearly as difficult a choice to make as Kenny vs Lily would've been. I have a feeling if certain events transpired diffe

  • It was a sacrifice on Kenny's part in my eyes.

    He's a man that defines himself by his family and his need to be around that family to protect them.

    Yet he realised that he wasn't capable of doing that. You're right, it's just a difference in how we see it.

    El chapo posted: »

    It wasn't such a sacrifice, more of a plea I'd say. Obviously if you think it was a sacrifice then that's fine, that's the way you see it, which doesn't mean you're wrong.

  • The hatchet thing was the dumbest thing ever. It made no sense.

    voteDC posted: »

    Yet he was exactly correct in not wanting Ben to come along. Ben messed up at every opportunity, even going as far to leave Clem behind t

  • After she provoked him by teasing the death of an infant after he was already suffering from PTSD. Everything's not black and white. You can point your finger and say he's a bad guy for killing a woman, but it isn't that simple. There's always more to a situation. I liked Jane - with that said, she was absolutely wrong. The fight was started by her, and she escalated the fight by pulling out a weapon first. She had plenty of opportunities to stop the fight, but she didn't. Before the fight began she told Clementine to stay out of it, no matter what. Kenny isn't the bad guy in this situation. Jane wasn't weak, she could handle herself and she did. In fact, I think she would have kicked Kenny's ass if she hadn't played with his emotions. Kenny lost so damn much, and the group just kept shitting on him instead of trying to understand why he was being an asshole. So when he finally lost that baby (or so he thought) he was able to overpower Jane. Kenny's not good at fighting like Jane, Molly, or even Lee. Hell, he got beat up (optional) by old cancer patients! My point is, you can't just belittle Jane like she's a victim. She's an individual that made a bad choice and suffered the consequence of her actions (in that scenario). I cried when she died in my playthrough, but she had it coming especially when I found out AJ was hidden in a damn car. What if he hadn't cried? Dead freaking baby just to prove a point. Jane was crazy, just as crazy as Kenny.

    El chapo posted: »

    Well whatever way you portray it, he overpowered and killed a women out of anger, just saying.

  • And no one said you are wrong. AronDracula took your opinion and told you why they don't agree with it, and suddenly you get offended and say they aren't worth your time. If you don't want to keep the conversation up, then simply don't answer, but saying "you're not worth talking to" when they simply disagreed with what you said makes it look like you can't defend your views.

    El chapo posted: »

    That's all I've said this whole time! Everyone is entitiles to their opinion! I've not said anyone's opinion is wrong, I've even vouched the

  • Yeah it's how we see it, and you're not wrong to be fair to you, you make a valid point.

    voteDC posted: »

    It was a sacrifice on Kenny's part in my eyes. He's a man that defines himself by his family and his need to be around that family to pro

  • Kenny was my bro in season 1....I felt he was the best man that can be a friend of lee but what made me a big Kenny fan was that...after loosing Lee and seeing Kenny come back from a talked about subject of him being dead for years was just like i saw my big bro agian and that feeling was never felt by me at any game I played...never so that's why Kenny was like the only old bro that I and clem loved too much lol

  • We were talking about who started it all and who's fault is it that Jane dies. It's Jane's fault because she planned the whole thing. She was never defenseless because she always had a knife with her. Initially she does put it away and Kenny lunges at her but what happens afterwards proves that she always intended to have a fight with him. She knew he was going to attack her at first, either she put the knife away or not. She just wanted him to officially start the fight to prove whatever she wanted to prove to Clem. After that, Jane actively attacks and riles up Kenny even more and injures him in multiple ways.

    Clem to Jane: "Please run."
    Jane: (pushes Clem to the ground) "Not happening."
    Jane proceeds to lunge at Kenny with a knife when he was doing nothing.

    That's hardly defending herself.

    And I'll repeat: Kenny's actions were clouded by anger, he was already in a dark place and got pushed into the abyss, but Jane knew exactly what she was doing the whole time. That's far worse in my book. Not trying to excuse Kenny's actions entirely, but I can understand him. Jane, on the other hand, manages to show off some of her most characteristic personality traits: liar, manipulative and selfish.

    El chapo posted: »

    Kenny also pushed Clem out of the way and he also intended to kill someone from the group, you arguement to backing up kenny also can back u

  • I dont think Kenny was necessarily wrong in starting an argument, what made me see him as unreliable and dangerous, was the fact that he was unwilling to talk it out, Kenny has shown a tendency to jump to action way too fast, ever since season 1, he has never been one to think things through, and I do think that both parties were equally bad at handling the situation, albeit I still think Kenny is a little more justified, since he was basically losing it at that point, psychological scars cut deep, and they never heal, and Kenny lost so much. But on the other hand, Jane did not just instigate the incident, she also provoked him, by refusing to fight him, and that was not out of fear, since she could have told Kenny at any time, that AJ was fine, she could have stopped the argument at any time, but she didnt.

    This is why I will always see Kenny as a lost soul, that probably deserved to live, but even though he had the will and determination to protect Clem, I had to put him down, for his sake, and for Clem, there was no saying what Kenny would do if it was Clem that one day stood between him and AJ.

    But on the other hand, I can never forgive Jane for what she did, Jane was cold and calculating, Kenny was struck by grief, and did not think straight, ever since Sarita died, Jane is the most despicable person in The Walking Dead to me, and I will never not walk away from her, or let Kenny kill her

    El chapo posted: »

    Everything said here is almost perfectly correct and extremely valid, however I wouldn't say it was 'ALL' her fault. The argument didn't hav

  • edited February 2017

    How was Kenny supposed to treat Clementine after losing Sarita, is he supposed to not care or is he supposed to thank Clementine for chopping his girlfriend's fucking arm off? Also Kenny does apologize, if you just stay quiet and let him mourn for his family and Sarita.

    • Kenny saved Lees life in episode 1 without him Lee would have died way earlier on and wouldn't have been able to raise Clem
    • Defends Lee against Larry if Larry wasn't fed in episode 2
    • Allows Lee and Clementine to join him on the RV (If you defended Duck)
    • Refuses to leave the boy in the attic
    • Forgives and tries to save Ben in episode 5 (If Ben is alive)
    • Saves Christa in episode 5 (If Ben is dead)
    • Chooses not to kill himself after Kat and Ducks deaths so that he can help his friends
    • Takes the blame for the radio and loses an eye for Clementine
    • Helps Rebecca with the baby
    • Saves AJ from walker Rebecca (If Clem doesn't)
    • Gets the truck working
    • Begs Edith to let Clem and AJ into Wellington and says she can take his food back
    • During the Kenny flashback he immediately worrys about AJ

    So yep all of this makes Kenny an awesome guy

  • edited February 2017

    Omg she was trying to kill Kenny did we not play the same game?

    El chapo posted: »

    No because I that 'Friend' isn't pinned to the floor with a knife pointed at their neck. Kenny didn't need saving

  • Uh yeah he pushed Clem out the way wtf r u supposed to do when you are in a fight with someone and someone gets in your way

    El chapo posted: »

    Kenny also pushed Clem out of the way and he also intended to kill someone from the group, you arguement to backing up kenny also can back u

  • after he was already suffering from PTSD.

    Oh hell no--man FUCK both Jane and Kenny! Goddamn copycattin Spotlighthoggin Creator's Pets!

    Sweet_Bundy posted: »

    After she provoked him by teasing the death of an infant after he was already suffering from PTSD. Everything's not black and white. You can

  • You know, I think it boiled down to Kenny's own actions prior to fight, if it hadn't been for the way he treated Arvo and the rest of the group, disregarding their opinions and becoming a dictator, perhaps things wouldn't have reached that climax.

  • Scrappy characters?

    You know, like Scrappy Doo--a character a lot of people don't like for annoying, arrogant, abrasive or whatever other reason they choose. I realize I'm misusing the trope a bit by relegating it to my personal opinion, but it gets the point across. And to be fair, she's only the "top" of three characters who make that cut.

    Are you one of the people that just don't like them both? It's a valid point.

    Yeah, pretty much. To be fair, I didn't dislike Kenny until 4 or 5 months ago upon reflection and before that, he just clocked in as "positively neutral." But yeah, I gunned him down twice over on my first playthrough after letting him kill Jane cause he kinda needed to be put to rest and I honestly feel that both weren't good influences on Clementine on top of overshadowing much nicer characters.

    El chapo posted: »

    Scrappy characters? Are you one of the people that just don't like them both? It's a valid point.

  • Also,Kenny is caring.He worry about Clem and A.J.And Kenny is caring.
    And Jane?She only care about herself.I not hate her but she just always want to quarrel.

    Zack040 posted: »

    Kenny rather sacrifice himself to: -Save Christa(if you choose to drop Ben Crawford) -Save Ben, but he was lucky (if you choose to save him at Crawford) -Let himself punched by Carver

  • If they wanted to make Jane more likable she could have realized she screwed up with her sister, didn't want to make the same mistake twice and try to actually help Sarah.

    Yeah, that pretty much sums up strike one/two for her. Which is especially bad considering her "interaction" with Sarah is pretty much the establishment for the meat of her character.

    I like Kenny because be is a complex, interesting character. He isn't all good or all bad. He also reminds me a lot of my own father. I can

  • Im never going to understand it either. Even when I was trying to be friends with him, I found him abrasive.

  • edited February 2017

    Yeah, pretty much. She's played as the Molly but she ended up being the Ben--except, you know, without many of their positive traits.

  • Yeah for sure, bonnie mike and arvo felt like they were forced to leave because of his actions.

    prink34320 posted: »

    You know, I think it boiled down to Kenny's own actions prior to fight, if it hadn't been for the way he treated Arvo and the rest of the group, disregarding their opinions and becoming a dictator, perhaps things wouldn't have reached that climax.

  • Yeah for sure, but in the end there's no point in having heated conversations with no ending you know, that's why I respect what people think.

    dan290786 posted: »

    Thanks man. I have at many times been in heated convos with people but it just goes nowhere and at the end of the day, we all have different views/opinions. It would be a very boring world if we all agreed with each other.

  • Yeah that's how I saw it too, I dunno people just clicked with him and others didn't, I was one of the few people that didn't get on with him.

    KCohere posted: »

    Im never going to understand it either. Even when I was trying to be friends with him, I found him abrasive.

  • edited February 2017

    Because other people look past his sometimes rude and aggressive behaviour and appreciate certain things he does or what he always tries do for the good of everyone else in the group and not just himself. Everyone of course are going to view him differently.

    And i disagree about him being abrasive. Certainly not all the time anyway

    KCohere posted: »

    Im never going to understand it either. Even when I was trying to be friends with him, I found him abrasive.

  • Yeah it's the opposite with me, I can't look past his rudeness to everyone and bad atmospheric feeling he has on the group, but yeah he does care for Clem and the safety of her, which I can definitely get behind and respect.

    dan290786 posted: »

    Because other people look past his sometimes rude and aggressive behaviour and appreciate certain things he does or what he always tries do

  • edited February 2017

    I know you disagree. Imo, you seem like you think people not liking him is their fault because theyre not giving him a chance. There's only so much rude and aggressive behavior you can look past.

    dan290786 posted: »

    Because other people look past his sometimes rude and aggressive behaviour and appreciate certain things he does or what he always tries do

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