What If most of the Season 1 Crew survived into Season 2?
What if most of the season 1 Crew survived into season 2 ((With the exception of Mark, Larry and Lee . Lee because his death had alot of Character development for Clementine.
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If you're asking what would happen, well, I'm not really sure. If they had hooked up with the cabin crew, then maybe they'd be able to better defend themselves when Carver and his goons came to the ski lodge.
That being said, with how paranoid they were in episode 1, I'm not even sure that they'd let the season 1 guys get through the cabin door, so...
I think one of S1's biggest problems (I fucking love this SE1 by the way) is that most of it's main characters are either dead or disappeared by the time S2 begins. Almost everyone from the Drug store scene is gone. The only people that can be alive from that scene right now is obviously Clementine and Lilly. The smallest of exception for Kenny if you went into Wellington, Glenn is already dead by the time ANF happens I believe. It's such a shame because the S1 cast was fucking amazing. S2 has this similar issue as well, infact ANF might just be the exact same as well, everyone from the Cabin crew is killed aside from AJ who isn't even born when you find the original S2 cast.
Pushing Christa and Omid off to the side was a complete waste. It's confusing, was it to faciliate these new characters and if so why did all of them die...? If S1's characters did continue onto S2, say Lilly, Doug, Carley to name a few, there would certainly be a lot more emotional attachment to these characters. I'd personally love to see what happens.
I would edit the thread to make myself more clear but since i cant seem to edit it i will just say it here that what i meant was what does everyone think would change if they survived to Season 2.
Definitely a lot, it depends on which S1 characters survive into S2.
I said that in the thread that it would be everyone besides Larry , Mark and Lee.
I feel like there'd be a lot more tension within the group, seeing's how larger squads of people don't seem to get along very well in these games. Why can't we all be friends???
It'd be interesting to see how they interact with each other, though. A Jane-Lilly interaction's always been one of my faves to think about, but I'd also be curious to see how Sarah and Duck got along, too - if they actually could, that is.
Wow I am really ignorant today aren't I? Sorry about that.
They were paranoid because Clem had a bite wound on her arm, which is understandable, although I dont think it justifies locking an 11 year old girl in a shed, were she almost got killed too
If anything I think Sarah and Duck would get along better than Clem and Sarah, since Duck was more like Sarah than Clem, Clem is more of a lone wolf/survivor, at least thats how I interpreted it, which is why I never fully committed to the friendship with Sarah, Duck seems alot more sociable than Clementine does
Lilly is a possibility. Benjamin is dead. Molly is also a possibility.
That's all I can think of.
Lol bare with me.
Season 1:
If the game was made slightly later, I'd say Lilly would've been a little bit less of a bitch seeing as how she was meant to be the Woodbury Lilly who ends up killing the Governor. Lee could've technically saved both Doug and Carley, but Duck would've likely have been bitten due to Ben screwing the group over.
I didn’t think she was the type but lets assume Katjaa kills herself to simply push Kenny over the breaking point, so we'd have Lilly, Ben, Doug, Carley, Kenny, Lee and Clem, with the addition of Chuck, Christa and Omid. At a push I’d say maybe Mark could’ve survived if we went with the David (teacher) as food scenario.
Episode 4 would’ve basically happened the same way, Ben letting someone else save Clem, but thats where it branches out a little.. does Chuck try saving Clem as before? Does more than one help? If Chuck saves her and survives, he’s likely to leave the group anyway. Molly would leave. Having more people though you could’ve had a group guard the boat while a small group go find Clementine.
When you come back, the boat isn’t gone, so some of your guys could’ve escaped that way, it was never going to be big enough for the whole group even with the ones you had in episode 4 anyway. Would you have even got to that part though? Your group would’ve been stuck in the neighbours bedroom after one of your guys falls to their death (Ben), maybe they wait it out? Kenny gets split up from the group, but since he knows the group is trapped in the house he might just rejoin them rather than ending up at the restaurant where he meets Sarita. Lee goes on a solo run and dies, Clem rejoins with the rest of them.
Season 2:
My guess, it would’ve had them goto the pitstop for some reason, but instead of leaving Clem alone there’d be others there with her. The story would likely diverge from there, 3 bandits wouldn’t really stand much of a chance, and that’s only if they’re out in the woods in the first place. Nothing in season 2 would’ve happened for this group, but if Wellington was their goal there’d still not be any room for them. No idea where they go from there. They probably wouldn’t end up in the New Frontier. Personally, I would’ve gone back to Clementine’s neighbourhood and turned that into a base. The end! Maybe. There’s always somebody wanting to take their stuff though in any Walking Dead story.
The cabin group would’ve played out the same story as it was, though there would’ve been a bigger chance of them getting captured in the cabin rather than later at the Ski Lodge. Maybe they went back into their old jobs at Howes Hardware and didn’t die.
Heh, plot twist, they attack the Season 1 groups base and end up siding with them instead to take out Carver. Everyone (minus everyone), survives!
Then they'd all probably get the Omid treatment.
I've said this before, I think season 1 had the right idea with keeping characters alive. A bunch of them died, but there was also quite a few alive at the end of the season. There was Clementine, Christa, Omid and Kenny, although he was presumed dead.
The problem with the season 1 survivors is that they, with the exception of Clem and Kenny, were thrown away at the very start of season 2. I would've loved to see characters actually survive for multiple seasons, like the TV show. It would make for more impactful and emotional death scenes when they do actually die.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. To actually answer the question, I'm not quite sure how episode 1 of season 2 would've played out if Clem were still with Omid and Christa. On the one hand, the cabin group might've believed that they were with Carver, but on the other hand, Clem likely wouldn't have been bitten if she were still with Omid and Christa.
Assuming that the cabin group eventually got along with Omid and Christa like they did with Clementine, then I do think reuniting with Kenny would be a little different. The cabin group kept believing that Kenny was too far gone and was turning into a monster. Now, I know that Christa and Kenny weren't the best friends in season 1, but I believe, likely because of the familiarity they had with Kenny, that Omid and Christa would back him up from the accusations, along with Clementine determinantly.
It's 1:50 in the morning and I'm ready for bed, so I won't go too into detail (if this gets responses I may go into detail later when I wake up) but I do believe that this could've lead to a very different ending for season 2, considering the ending hinged on how much you were willing to defend Kenny.
Well only a couple would've been interesting. Doug, Ben, Kenny, Larry and Lilly. The rest really weren't all that interesting. As for what would've happened... mostly the same stuff I expect.
I'm actually completely fine with them killing off their characters in the first season, because I really think it fits Clementine's character arc. I think they shouldn't have done it again in Season 2 because it just feels like a rehash, but they did it anyway. I just wish they would find some way to make it seem like all three seasons are tied together by a common story thread.
I think the big missed opportunity here for Telltale was the fact that there was no determinant survivors of season 1, so they could have easily written the surviving character into the story instead of just getting rid of them, which is why I hope that A New Frontier wont have multiple endings that place the cast in opposite ends of the country, while having multiple endings was cool in season 2, it obviously made it very hard to create a sequel, which I think influenced the decision to make A New Frontier what it became, season 1 had a really impactful ending without being very different, except for Clementine having dialogue for either shooting or leaving Lee.
I really hope they have a singular canon ending for A New Frontier, just so they can make a better sequel down the road.
I actually agree with this, it fits very well with my interpretation of Clementines character.
In season 2 I played Clementine as a sort of misfit if that makes sense, she is still a very good person, and the other people like her, and she obviously also likes being with people, but I always felt like after season 1, Clementine would be more reserved and be more of a loner type, I tended to help where I could, since I still think she is a good person, but ultimately she looks out for herself, with the exception of someone she cares alot about, such as Luke or Kenny or AJ.
as for connecting all 3 seasons, they already had the formular for that in season 1, but they completely butchered it, in season 1 there was no determinant survivors, only unknowns, and survivors, so instead of getting rid of Omid and Christa in season 2, they could have easily written them into the story instead, since they would survive no matter what. I also think that season 2 could have been more interesting if it had been Omid and Christa, or just Christa with Clementine, rather than Kenny, since I honestly feel like Clementine would have a deeper relationship with Omid and Christa than Kenny, since she barely even spoke with Kenny in season 1, but spent 16 months with Christa
I just hope they create 1 canon ending for A New Frontier, with small variances like shooting Lee or leaving him in season 1, so it will create different responses and reactions in the next season (which hopefully comes, and if it stood to me, please have Clementine as protagonist), but not have to completely butcher existing characters like Kenny and Jane just to have a continuation
In S1 there were several small time skips (especially between E1 and 2 and 2 and 3), so we can assume, like we did with Clem and Christa, that Clem and Kenny bonded in some way, even if they didn't talk much onscreen (since it wasn't plot relevant). I do assume they bonded offscreen. If not maybe as much as with Christa perhaps.
Heck Clem even said that Ben was her friend (a good friend), and when was that supposed to happen? That bonding can only been happening between E2 and 3. Because onscreen, there wasn't THAT much interaction as well, more than with Kenny, true. But not that much more. So I assume bonding offscreen, and accept that the lack of onscreen bonding was just because it wasn't plot relevant at present.
Yeah, youre right, we can probably still assume that Clem and Christa were closer though, since they were alone together for 16 months, whereas Kenny had Duck at the time, who Clem probably bonded more with
Christa survived and look what happened with her.
This is something i really wished had happened. I mean we got that in the tv show but not the game. I think realistically more characters should have survived. It's such a shame they didn't though.
Check out my thread on what i would have done differently more so with Omid and Christa returning in Season 2:
https://telltale.com/community/discussion/107458/what-changes-to-deceased-determinant-unknown-characters-would-you-make-if-you-could-change-things/p7
Agreed.
I think it'd be amazing to be able to build even more of the relationships between seasons. One of the biggest draws about Kenny is that we know him and he has been around for a long time, its going to be hard for Telltale to develop another similar relationship in a universe where they prefer to simply kill off the entire cast.
Oh and btw Telltale, TWD comic doesn't even kill off as many people as your game does. Characters last for a long time and not just to the end of each volume, and we even have a handful of original survivors left as well.
Killing off the cast by the end of every season does not automatically equal an amazingly harrowing story.
inb4 Clem has a flashback and all of them die from a landslide