How am I supposed to care about characters that are this inconsistant?
Episode fours first few scenes I was gradually thinking, eh maybe this isnt too bad. The season might be saving itself somewhat but then all the damn problems came back all over again, walking dead characters are so ridiculous I just cant care about them whatsoever or have any investment because they might randomly decide to do a 180 personality flip for no reason.
Gabe goes on a mission with you at the beginning, the whole trip is pretty bonding, gabe even says they make a good team. Then in the next scene after a little "Hey cool it a bit gabe" He reveals "YOU MURDERED CONRAD IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO REASON". uh....okay gabe what? Then in the next scene gabes really pissy for some reason and then hes hitting on clementine and we are supposed to find it cute?
Then Tripp whos only other action this episode is asking for dating tips flips out and starts screaming hes going to kill me and that he wants me nowhere near him. Eleanor whos pretty much never been aggressive does the same thing.
Add to this the fucking ridiculous responses
"I regret it welp"
"Hmm, thats slightly innacurate dear gabe"
"YEAH I MURDERED HIM FOR LOLZ"
Then at the final scene
Eleanor "Ha we betrayed you javi"
Then her betrayal backfires and tripp is executed or an option so I choose him. Eleanor and Tripp: You monster!!!!!!
Uh what?
Then in the next scene tripp says he'll cover me what the hell?
Then there's kate
"I love you Javi you are the only thing thats kept me going these past few years"
"Thats great kate but id rather we just be good friends"
"Never speak to me again"
These are just the main few forgetting ava and the other leaders swapping sides five times or Joan whos supposed to be cool and tricky doing a public execution game
How on earth am I supposed to care about any of these horrible flip flop characters, the shootuout at the end was my favourite moment of the whole season so far as so many characters died. I really hope episode five is richmond failing and everyone dying. The only character I somewhat care about is clementine but Im not sure id even mind her going seeing as how I want to forget this season anyway
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Hopefully it ends like the last two seasons with everyone dying.
I love how Kate speaks about "all these signs you've been giving me Javi, was it just me that I read them wrong?" Excuse me what? My Javier never told Kate anything what would give her hope. Jesus fuck game, you can import saves from game before such as Sarita's arm being chopped off but you can't handle the choices from the previous episode?
Seriously, I can see her being disappointed but suddenly not wanting to talk to me and being angry just ugh
What's even worse it's that she is like: "fuck you Javi you hurt mah feelings I'm not gonna talk to you ever again" and moment later she is screaming her lungs out through that walkie "do you need help? I'm coming to help!" and comes to the rescue, getting herself killed in the process.
I hope Javier, Clementine and David will survive. Everybody else can just go straight to hell.
I can't believe this is the first season where I want most of the cast to die. They're all extremely unlikeable and boring.
Can't we have a character or two we can actively root for throughout the entire season, besides Clementine? Just about everyone is either unlikable, boring, or bipolar.
It's a little sad that the only new character that is just slightly above my 'Meh' level is Ava, and she was the one who I was unsure about due to how she was introduced into the story in Clementine's flashback. At least she gave Javier supplies when he was kicked out, gave Clementine supplies when she was kicked out and was separated from AJ, and helped Javier gather weapons and formulate a plan to escape from Richmond.
And I just know that if she is alive in Episode 5, she'll hold a grudge against Javier for choosing Tripp over her because of Joan forcing that choice on him, or she'll turns out to be secretly evil all along for a last second twist.
So I am letting my honest opinion about the Season 3 group out.
At least with the Cabin Group, I genuinely felt a connection despite the rushed pacing. I can't really feel the same here. When I start seeing them as liability and wishing for them to die, it is a problem.
I think at this point, I only care about Javier, Clementine, David and Ava (Neutral feelings about Kate). Heck my ideal ending would be that the rest dies, they all leave Richimond, find AJ and then leave to find another sanctuary.
I'll be honest, the way you feel really surprises me.
I really just cannot understand this forum. It feels as though unless a character's on your 100% of the time or support your every decision that they hate them. Not to mention that people literally have been complaining about getting what they've asked for.
Weird person you are. But the Season Two profile-picture makes sense then.
Eleanors betrayal made literally no sense. Not at all.
The last 10 minutes of this episode were so bad and illogical.. I would call it as a whole "garbage", if it wasn't for the heart-warming Kenny-flashback, Ava-action, Clem stitching-up Javi and the confession of Kate towards Javi.
It's how the characters behave that bothers most of the players, especially when the way they go about it is what causes other characters to detest you in turn, no matter what you do or say to try and convince them to not be angry at you.
There's having disagreements with the characters, and then there's a certain character or two throwing you under the bus solely to piss you off, and especially when they have nothing to gain from doing so in the first place. It's making conflicts for the sake of having drama in the story, and it doesn't feels natural.
It also doesn't help that the majority of characters lack convincing development and are really there to fulfill a role to play out in the story.
It is not that I feel this way because the characters aren't 100% on my side. I don't mind that characters fight back and disagree with me. I even loved the Traitor scene in Game of Thrones. It is just that I don't really feel the connection with the characters that is the problem.
In Game of Thrones, I was invested in my family and my two advisers. The game did a good job letting us get to know Duncan and Royland. So when the betrayal happened, I was genuinely heartbroken and emotionally invested.
In the Walking Dead, when Eleanor just betrayed Javier, I didn't really feel anything except annoyance and frustration. I just didn't have enough time to get to know her or connect with her.
This is just my personal opinion and should in no way disrupt how you feel about the game.
I think my main gripes about the characters are that I don't feel that much emotionally invested in them.
It only makes no sense because we don't know the whole story. I doubt that fans will forgive her but I believe she has her reasons and she didn't at all except someone to die. Maybe except for David.
You're not alone.
This is my major problem with ANF. The writing is just so infuriating and makes all the characters seem bipolar.
Yeah, Clementine and Ava is my only silver lining but Ava will be sorely missed in my playthrough
Funny thing is that if you let the timer run out and you kissed her she says ''I guess you don't feel the same'' but exactly after that she says ''No, you feel something i know it you kissed me bla bla but you got all weird when David was back'' and then calls you a fucking coward.
What in the world would make you side with the very people who killed all of your friends, destroyed and raided your home? There is no way a sane person would do that. The problem is that such behavior does not fit the way Eleanor was portrayed in the previous three and a half episodes.
Forgiveness. It's that simple.
This has been a major problem for me. It's kinda hard to like this season when I have little interest in most of the characters..
Every single character in this game is designed with being unique in one way. Just one. (Except for Tripp and Eleanor, which seem to have no traits at all) For example, Ava is sarcastic, David overreactive and Joan evil. I am seriously starting to miss somebody like Danny St.John or even Larry, simply because they had so many different traits. Example:
Season 1: Look, we got some dialogue choices and monologues that imply that this guy might be a pervert. Also, you found out earlier that something strange is going on on this farm.
Season 2: Hey dude, we got some information to you. This guy over there has some serious anger problems.
Season 3: THEY ARE IN LOVE! LOVE LOVE LOVE!
And I would accept this way of storytelling. It is a way of character development. But not from a team that already did better and puts this bloody "The game is tailored by how you play" nonsense on the screen every time, while I barely can save somebody for two hours of gameplay, before he gets killed in the most forced and emberassing-to-watch way.
The betrayal makes sense if you killed Conrad. She's acting on pure emotion after her own feeling of betrayal. What isn't done as well in that choice when it occurs is that Tripp is on the chopping block when he was equally against Javier at that point. He would've been an asset for Joan, and could've been an emotional antagonist for us in E5. It would've given us such a strong ending to face someone a lot of people like, and for a choice we made not have an option for a peaceful resolution.
I agree that the betrayal makes less sense if Conrad is alive. I feel like a few more lines of dialogue or a conversation with her during E4 would've gone a long way towards this having more impact, and being clear after the fact. There are no motivations given as to why she would think after the death of her entire community she could trust their murderers. They might've even avoided it if she had perhaps gone to Clint, and Clint brought it to Joan which would've also given the ending where David pursues Clint after Joan is shot as having more meaning.
Conrad has your ba- oh you killed him...
But seriously I don't know how it plays out with him dead but it seems to me that the characters just make more sense with him alive. As for Eleanor it seemed to me like she was just trying to protect the group but misjudged Joan didn't even bother me when I played.
Sorry, but wow, that's a really stupid reason. There are a lot of things in life that don't deserve forgiveness.
Would you forgive Hitler?
I agree on that second part. But even if you kill Conrad - which was justified in that situation - it does not make sense for Eleanor to side with the same people who destroyed and raided her home, killing all of her friends in Prescott in the process.
I love how this conrad thing is starting to be presented as if most players killed him for no reason, no its another example of a character flipping a 180. Again I have to love how the character just completley changed the moment he gets saved
"Hey I just want to sell this teenager to this enemy group that killed my wife and ill kill this other teenager if you dont"
Next episode
"Oh i kinda goofed about almost killing your nephew javi"
"Oh its fine man"
Clementine too just flips back and forgets you betrayed her.
I don't know how to put this but I think Telltale is overusing these situations/turnouts that makes every character hate/dislike your guts. Back in the day it made kind of sense because of your actions but now its beyond ridiculous.
Ehh episode 2 sucked don't much care what happened in it honestly.
I feel the same.
I care most about Clem, Javi and David.
They can make a nice group/family of survivors.
Perhaps including AJ.
And even Gabe to stir more problems lol.
That's completely different. I agree that what Eleanor did was shitty and out of character, but there's a difference between making one bad decision and mass genocide.
Season 2 Nick was more boring.
In season 2 I only cared about Omid, Christa and Kenny.
Jane was ok, but the cabin group completely idiots.
They killed a 10 year old girl in front of her own eyes.
She is just a backstabbing bitch.
Same level as Bonnie.
Just Eleanor is a medic, Bonnie just a thug and junkie.
I believe that Eleanor didn't intend for anyone to die and good intentions count for a lot with me. And Hitler's a ridiculous comparison.
I did that uneven comparison on purpose. Because where do we draw the line for forgiveness then? Does it depend on the number how many people died? If they died directly or indirectly by your actions?
How can you forgive somebody who didn't do anything wrong?
Honestly, fuck David, I was really starting to like him, then when we get offered safe passage out of Richmond and everything seems to be fine David is like "Hold my beer, ima fuck this shit up"
Im leaving David after that stunt he pulled if you decide to take the deal
Ava was the only character that I was really starting to like (kinda liked Eleanor, but I guess that ship has sailed now), now she is dead, and Tripp hates me even more than he did before (not that I really care at this point), Ava seemed like the only person in The New Frontier that had any kind of common sense, David is just like "Hold my beer while I fuck everything up"
Eleanor is naïve. That is part of her character. She broke Javi out of jail behind Tripp's back because she just assumed Javi was a good guy even though he was suspected of murder. She just takes people's words as if they have no bad intentions. Joan is a good speaker who knows how to mince her words. Eleanor obviously assumed that Joan would resolve this peacefully. That's why she repeatedly said "they like me, let me speak with them. They'll listen." She thought resolving this peacefully will be better than a coup that involves guns and killing. Had she known there would be killing, she wouldn't have freaked out when Tripp got shot.
Yeah, because people who destroy her home, kill all citizens and even shoot a young, innocent girl in cold blood are going to solve a planned coup peacefully. No adult person can be that stupid.