The only inconsistency I saw was Tripp.. To be honest. Both his voice Actor and his character acted like they had resigned to the fact that they were going to die. I heard it in the tone the first time he spoke.
Though I love the option that you can say you knew it was a trick. Because.. Truth be told? I cheated. When she killed Tripp - I went back and chose Ava to save Tripp. He didn't believe me, and it's understandable.. But Yea.. Everyone else felt Organic (for me)..
Tripp didn't.. and that's Sad. I really wanted Tripp to live.. Loved him.
I have mixed feelings on his death. I get how its become 'Oh..look.. Someone else died like we did'.. and then get a move on. I felt more connected to Trip.. Felt like that needed more impact.
I still disagree, I honestly don't see how he acted inconsistently. As you pointed out yourself, he wasn't established as a de facto leader of the community, and even if he was, it didn't mean that that's what he wanted. Not everything has to be spelled out about a character. We only found out Javi is bisexual in the last few minutes of episode 5 for example.
From the start, he showed he was not one for enforcing rules so much, he easily sways one way or another, is too forgiving of Clementine's behavior and quick to trust Javier. This was established on our first few interactions with him. They gave us these scenes with him before they actually established that him and Eleanor used to be a thing. No wonder me and a bunch of others here said from the first episode that he was going to die for being this kind of character.
Perhaps he didn't act in the way you would expect of a leader, but that's an issue with your expectations, not with Tripp. He was under no obligation to act according to your headcanon.
Sounds like a guy that didn't want to step up to begin with, so that when someone else did he just went with it.
And that would've b… moreeen cool--if they firmly established him as so.
Really, he was something of a plot device in Part 1, but unlike Mariana and Badger, was an acceptable and even necessary one. After all, you wanna introduce a friendly (and doomed) town without having to establish a leader or a security force? Here's Tripp: he takes care of things. This came with giving him certain traits and characteristics expected of the role, so you'll have to forgive me for being critical of a character for not acting consistently with the part he played at first when you give me nothing else to work with beyond his unspecified job description and the incidental fun fact that he and Eleanor used to be a thing.
Point blank period, if you're going to keep his character around long after his purpose is no longer relevant, actually expand on and do something interesting with him.
Both his voice Actor and his character acted like they had resigned to the fact that they were going to die. I heard it in the tone the first time he spoke.
Yeah, I heard it too. His expression when he came out also reeked of a man who was left trapped for quite some time.
The only inconsistency I saw was Tripp.. To be honest. Both his voice Actor and his character acted like they had resigned to the fact that … morethey were going to die. I heard it in the tone the first time he spoke.
Though I love the option that you can say you knew it was a trick. Because.. Truth be told? I cheated. When she killed Tripp - I went back and chose Ava to save Tripp. He didn't believe me, and it's understandable.. But Yea.. Everyone else felt Organic (for me)..
Tripp didn't.. and that's Sad. I really wanted Tripp to live.. Loved him.
I have mixed feelings on his death. I get how its become 'Oh..look.. Someone else died like we did'.. and then get a move on. I felt more connected to Trip.. Felt like that needed more impact.
Possibly need to rephrase? I really liked his character. I was invested in whether his character lived or died. I cared more about his character then the others in the story, is what I was saying.
Both his voice Actor and his character acted like they had resigned to the fact that they were going to die. I heard it in the tone the firs… moret time he spoke.
Yeah, I heard it too. His expression when he came out also reeked of a man who was left trapped for quite some time.
I felt more connected to Trip..
Bless you?
Possibly need to rephrase? I really liked his character. I was invested in whether his character lived or died. I cared more about his character then the others in the story, is what I was saying.
Gabe was stubborn, dumb piece of shit due to his desire of saving his dad and be a ' man' actually. But he started to see how he was out of control and so far away from saving. He realized the fact that David is changed and he will never come back to his old version. He showed his admire to Javi which counts a lot for me. The way he said Javi was a good dad for him and sincerely said that he loves Javi, it truly shows that he deeply likes Javi.
Kate wanted to leave but it was before Richmond got fucked up. Richmond was fine when she wanted to leave and go away. After the explosion, she wanted to fix the mess she caused. Figured its fair enough.
Tripp finally understood the Conrad situation because despite the fact that he was his best friends, he is the kind of man who actually knows what 'family' concept means. I figured thats fair enough too. After he survived that situation, maybe he was glad about it so he didnt act agressively towards Javi.
She found out from Lingard and didn't believe he was a good parent or influence and still didn't like him or trust him all the way until the very end of EP4. Suddenly in EP5 Clementine and David are mutual friends and have no problems. It's completely unrealistic for both of them and out of character.
Well, she did find out that he took care of AJ, as well as the fact that after seeing him with Javier she probably saw that he wasnt always … moreterrible, not gonna justify the 180 completely, but I do feel like her view of David changed after she found out that AJ was alive, and then later that David took care of him
Not everything has to be spelled out about a character.
I agree, but the fact that we know so little about Tripp is an example of why I'm so baffled about him.
From the start, he showed he was not one for enforcing rules so much, he easily sways one way or another, is too forgiving of Clementine's behavior and quick to trust Javier. This was established on our first few interactions with him. They gave us these scenes with him before they actually established that him and Eleanor used to be a thing.
I suppose. Though the fact that Eleanor is the one who explained their exact relationship is probably another part of it.
Perhaps he didn't act in the way you would expect of a leader, but that's an issue with your expectations, not with Tripp. He was under no obligation to act according to your headcanon.
Again, I think it would've went over better if they clarified that he wasn't the leader in part because I actually prefer that, but regardless, if my vibes from a character's first impressions doesn't line up with everything else about them, that's probably an issue with their portrayal just as much as my own interpretation. Maybe another playthrough of Ties that Bind is in order now that the Installment is over.
I still disagree, I honestly don't see how he acted inconsistently. As you pointed out yourself, he wasn't established as a de facto leader … moreof the community, and even if he was, it didn't mean that that's what he wanted. Not everything has to be spelled out about a character. We only found out Javi is bisexual in the last few minutes of episode 5 for example.
From the start, he showed he was not one for enforcing rules so much, he easily sways one way or another, is too forgiving of Clementine's behavior and quick to trust Javier. This was established on our first few interactions with him. They gave us these scenes with him before they actually established that him and Eleanor used to be a thing. No wonder me and a bunch of others here said from the first episode that he was going to die for being this kind of character.
Perhaps he didn't act in the way you would expect of a leader, but that's an issue with your expectations, not with Tripp. He was under no obligation to act according to your headcanon.
None of us liked Gabe throughout the 4 episodes, then at the last episode he seemed likeable.
Same with Kate. She was making stupid choices like leaving Richmond, but then in Episode 5, wanted to be a hero and save Richmond.
Are you triggered because I included Lee in there or something?
I see it as history repeating itself. Telltale pulled the same crap in the last episode of season 2. Jane suddenly decides she hates Kenny enough to bait him into a fight and try to kill him after expressing concern for his wellbeing in the previous episode. Oh ya and Bonnie steals your food and leaves you for dead after being contrite the rest of the season and promising to help with the baby.
I see it as history repeating itself. Telltale pulled the same crap in the last episode of season 2. Jane suddenly decides she hates Kenny e… morenough to bait him into a fight and try to kill him after expressing concern for his wellbeing in the previous episode. Oh ya and Bonnie steals your food and leaves you for dead after being contrite the rest of the season and promising to help with the baby.
I agree. Keep in mind that episode 5 takes place on the same day as episode 4. Gabe went from betraying you and being continuously confrontational by refusing to cooperate till Clem convinced him to work together, to him being all nice and wanting to grow up to be like Javi. All of this is in a span of hours.
The fuck did I miss this? Anyway, some of us did like Kate and Gabe previously despite(or even because of?) their issues and could see/appreciate the good aspects of their characters.
Anyway, I get the point of you what you meant now. Again, I see you editted your original post, so maybe I really was replying to something you didn't mean to put there. I don't remember the exact context.
None of us liked Gabe throughout the 4 episodes, then at the last episode he seemed likeable.
Same with Kate. She was making stupid choice… mores like leaving Richmond, but then in Episode 5, wanted to be a hero and save Richmond.
Are you triggered because I included Lee in there or something?
She already established that they used to be a thing--but "it was only for, like, five minutes." That possible hyperbole implies one thing in particular.
Yeah, what even happened to him, Lonnie and Clint? Perhaps their missing presence is I don't know, foreshadowing something? Or they pulled off one of their infamous acts of laziness and decided to opt out of finishing their writing
Every time I sat down to play another episode I had this blank mindset ready to play because I knew every character was going to act completely different and be a whole new person due to this unbelievably inconsistent writing.
Clementine, especially. She feels like a completely different person with each episode and it drives me up the wall.
Constant writing is key and that's why I feel like having 8 whole different writers for every episode throws things out of balance.
She already established that they used to be a thing--but "it was only for, like, five minutes." That possible hyperbole implies one thing in particular.
Throw that choice of words in with it and...yeah.
She already established that they used to be a thing--but "it was only for, like, five minutes." That possible hyperbole implies one thing in particular.
Throw that choice of words in with it and...yeah.
I don't think that was related to what you're implying. She only meant that Tripp would never allow them to leave on their own, but if they just do it, he'll forgive them because that's just how he is. That kind of blind trust from Tripp is also evident in the other episodes.
I don't think that was related to what you're implying. She only meant that Tripp would never allow them to leave on their own, but if they … morejust do it, he'll forgive them because that's just how he is. That kind of blind trust from Tripp is also evident in the other episodes.
I found what exactly Eleanor says, if you said "Sounds like trouble" when she offers to sneak you out of Prescott:
"He'll get pissy, but... he'll get over it. Sometimes with him you gotta ask for forgiveness rather than permission."
I found out something interesting. Remember that originally there were going to be walkers on nooses in Prescott?
When Tripp tells you that he will you bring you to the junkyard you have the options: "Fair enough" ; "I need to leave NOW." ; "We don't want your help".
If you stay silent, Tripp will say: "Don't be stink-eyeing me, you're lucky I didn't hang you."
This happens only if you are locked up with Clementine.
I guess you were happy when you found out that Eleanor broke up with Tripp. And probably clicked the "You can do better" when she told you!
It's made more noticeable with gabe. For four plus years in game and throughout 4 episodes he's been obnoxious, acted rash and immature, has been disrespectful, wanted so much to be like david, has been useless and smug but in episode 5 which takes place on the same day as episode 4 his character flips and it's only because telltale wanted you to feel bad about him dying. Not because he's a good character or a good kid. I'm not even sure why people are even saying he redeemed himself. What has done to warrant the four plus years in the story and in 4 episodes of the game being excusable? what has he done to warrant anything that he got other than his death? clem doesn't like him like in any romantic way, he didn't save clem, he gave javi crap about saving clem. He did nothing to help javi other then saving javi which is determinant but it's made nulled because he in canon almost gets javi killed. He didn't even volunteer to go with clem to look for aj. He ran away when kate needed him. I fail to see the redemption. He gave clem cards he wasn't going to need, offered to shoot himself, realized david was a douche and wanted to be like javi after realizing this. Is that all?
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The only inconsistency I saw was Tripp.. To be honest. Both his voice Actor and his character acted like they had resigned to the fact that they were going to die. I heard it in the tone the first time he spoke.
Though I love the option that you can say you knew it was a trick. Because.. Truth be told? I cheated. When she killed Tripp - I went back and chose Ava to save Tripp. He didn't believe me, and it's understandable.. But Yea.. Everyone else felt Organic (for me)..
Tripp didn't.. and that's Sad. I really wanted Tripp to live.. Loved him.
I have mixed feelings on his death. I get how its become 'Oh..look.. Someone else died like we did'.. and then get a move on. I felt more connected to Trip.. Felt like that needed more impact.
I still disagree, I honestly don't see how he acted inconsistently. As you pointed out yourself, he wasn't established as a de facto leader of the community, and even if he was, it didn't mean that that's what he wanted. Not everything has to be spelled out about a character. We only found out Javi is bisexual in the last few minutes of episode 5 for example.
From the start, he showed he was not one for enforcing rules so much, he easily sways one way or another, is too forgiving of Clementine's behavior and quick to trust Javier. This was established on our first few interactions with him. They gave us these scenes with him before they actually established that him and Eleanor used to be a thing. No wonder me and a bunch of others here said from the first episode that he was going to die for being this kind of character.
Perhaps he didn't act in the way you would expect of a leader, but that's an issue with your expectations, not with Tripp. He was under no obligation to act according to your headcanon.
They needed to get rid of them because this season was about family, and Tripp/Ava ain't no Garcia.
No love for determinates, Conrad inhaled all of it. Telltale was like: hasta la pasta, do a barrel roll on your way down.
This sentence is a problem in and of itself, dude.
Yeah, I heard it too. His expression when he came out also reeked of a man who was left trapped for quite some time.
Bless you?
Possibly need to rephrase? I really liked his character. I was invested in whether his character lived or died. I cared more about his character then the others in the story, is what I was saying.
Yeah, I know. I just...don't...get it?
Gabe was stubborn, dumb piece of shit due to his desire of saving his dad and be a ' man' actually. But he started to see how he was out of control and so far away from saving. He realized the fact that David is changed and he will never come back to his old version. He showed his admire to Javi which counts a lot for me. The way he said Javi was a good dad for him and sincerely said that he loves Javi, it truly shows that he deeply likes Javi.
Kate wanted to leave but it was before Richmond got fucked up. Richmond was fine when she wanted to leave and go away. After the explosion, she wanted to fix the mess she caused. Figured its fair enough.
Tripp finally understood the Conrad situation because despite the fact that he was his best friends, he is the kind of man who actually knows what 'family' concept means. I figured thats fair enough too. After he survived that situation, maybe he was glad about it so he didnt act agressively towards Javi.
She found out from Lingard and didn't believe he was a good parent or influence and still didn't like him or trust him all the way until the very end of EP4. Suddenly in EP5 Clementine and David are mutual friends and have no problems. It's completely unrealistic for both of them and out of character.
Hey, don't blame me--she's the one who implied that!
I agree, but the fact that we know so little about Tripp is an example of why I'm so baffled about him.
I suppose. Though the fact that Eleanor is the one who explained their exact relationship is probably another part of it.
Again, I think it would've went over better if they clarified that he wasn't the leader in part because I actually prefer that, but regardless, if my vibes from a character's first impressions doesn't line up with everything else about them, that's probably an issue with their portrayal just as much as my own interpretation. Maybe another playthrough of Ties that Bind is in order now that the Installment is over.
Explain, how?
I'm making a valid point here, dude.
None of us liked Gabe throughout the 4 episodes, then at the last episode he seemed likeable.
Same with Kate. She was making stupid choices like leaving Richmond, but then in Episode 5, wanted to be a hero and save Richmond.
Are you triggered because I included Lee in there or something?
Okay, admittedly I may have misread the first part, but Lee is a weird example to use since we were playing as him.
Dude.
It's alright, and you are probably correct about the Lee part.
I see it as history repeating itself. Telltale pulled the same crap in the last episode of season 2. Jane suddenly decides she hates Kenny enough to bait him into a fight and try to kill him after expressing concern for his wellbeing in the previous episode. Oh ya and Bonnie steals your food and leaves you for dead after being contrite the rest of the season and promising to help with the baby.
Yeah, that was almost as dumb as killing Sarah off and/or bringing back Jane at all.
Actually, that was Mike's MO. Bonnie just went along for the ride making sure they took all of the shit..
I agree. Keep in mind that episode 5 takes place on the same day as episode 4. Gabe went from betraying you and being continuously confrontational by refusing to cooperate till Clem convinced him to work together, to him being all nice and wanting to grow up to be like Javi. All of this is in a span of hours.
The fuck did I miss this? Anyway, some of us did like Kate and Gabe previously despite(or even because of?) their issues and could see/appreciate the good aspects of their characters.
Anyway, I get the point of you what you meant now. Again, I see you editted your original post, so maybe I really was replying to something you didn't mean to put there. I don't remember the exact context.
How?
She already established that they used to be a thing--but "it was only for, like, five minutes." That possible hyperbole implies one thing in particular.
Throw that choice of words in with it and...yeah.
Yeah, what even happened to him, Lonnie and Clint? Perhaps their missing presence is I don't know, foreshadowing something? Or they pulled off one of their infamous acts of laziness and decided to opt out of finishing their writing
Every time I sat down to play another episode I had this blank mindset ready to play because I knew every character was going to act completely different and be a whole new person due to this unbelievably inconsistent writing.
Clementine, especially. She feels like a completely different person with each episode and it drives me up the wall.
Constant writing is key and that's why I feel like having 8 whole different writers for every episode throws things out of balance.
They had sex and Tripp sucks in bed. Don't see how that's freaky.
Dude, no. Just no.
thats what you get for having a totally different writer for every episode. Huge mistake and I hope telltale finally realises that.
"With Tripp, it's better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission."
Yeah, I know, it's kinda gross. Also, hai Sarah Palin!
Agreed!
I don't think that was related to what you're implying. She only meant that Tripp would never allow them to leave on their own, but if they just do it, he'll forgive them because that's just how he is. That kind of blind trust from Tripp is also evident in the other episodes.
I know. I was making a joke.
I found what exactly Eleanor says, if you said "Sounds like trouble" when she offers to sneak you out of Prescott:
"He'll get pissy, but... he'll get over it. Sometimes with him you gotta ask for forgiveness rather than permission."
I found out something interesting. Remember that originally there were going to be walkers on nooses in Prescott?
When Tripp tells you that he will you bring you to the junkyard you have the options: "Fair enough" ; "I need to leave NOW." ; "We don't want your help".
If you stay silent, Tripp will say: "Don't be stink-eyeing me, you're lucky I didn't hang you."
This happens only if you are locked up with Clementine.
I guess you were happy when you found out that Eleanor broke up with Tripp.
And probably clicked the "You can do better" when she told you! 
It's made more noticeable with gabe. For four plus years in game and throughout 4 episodes he's been obnoxious, acted rash and immature, has been disrespectful, wanted so much to be like david, has been useless and smug but in episode 5 which takes place on the same day as episode 4 his character flips and it's only because telltale wanted you to feel bad about him dying. Not because he's a good character or a good kid. I'm not even sure why people are even saying he redeemed himself. What has done to warrant the four plus years in the story and in 4 episodes of the game being excusable? what has he done to warrant anything that he got other than his death? clem doesn't like him like in any romantic way, he didn't save clem, he gave javi crap about saving clem. He did nothing to help javi other then saving javi which is determinant but it's made nulled because he in canon almost gets javi killed. He didn't even volunteer to go with clem to look for aj. He ran away when kate needed him. I fail to see the redemption. He gave clem cards he wasn't going to need, offered to shoot himself, realized david was a douche and wanted to be like javi after realizing this. Is that all?