What If: Lee Survives
Hey guys,
I run a channel that does 'What If' scenarios that looks at how the story might have changed if an event went differently.
Heres my question:
What If Lee had never been bitten, how would the story have changed?
What are your thoughts ?
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That is a big IF.
Well, I guess he would get Clementine back, find Christa and Omid and head the hell outta Savannah. I guess nothing that happened in S2 would happen though.
Leaving Savannah, Lee and Clementine would find Kenny who got reeeaaaally lucky. With Christa and Omid, all together they would go after Vernon and beat the shit out of him. Once they took control over their boat, Capitan Kenny would lead them to Florida which is obviously heaven on earth and a magic place where walkers immediately die from the heat.
Once arrived in Florida, they would build a shelter, preferably a quite large mansion with some pools and a harbour so Kenny could keep all his boats safe. Lee could finally relax and teach Clementine about survival and other stuff like American history. After few years I imagine they would rebuild a city called Urbanopolis, so Clementine could learn secret Urban tactics from her Master Lee. Leading a community here, the 'Stacheist church would open bringing hope to a wicked world praising the Lord and Saviour Kenny. Everybody could enjoy life and taste the true peace and harmony. A new human kind would rise to make a world a better place than ever before the apocalypse.
Also, "TTG: A New Frontier" wouldn't be created and Gabentine would never happen.
Bravo, I enjoyed reading this fun fiction more than all TNF.
What if he didn't? Oh wait, that already happened.
As Dangerous Arnie said, there's honestly no real way to know.
Even assuming that Lee was still around once Christa and Clem were alone at the campfire, Clem still washes away in the stream and is separated permanently from Christa and Lee if we are to follow this alternate timeline.
Although, if we are to even further assume that Lee was with Clem following that, then Clem probably wouldn't get bit by Sam or at least she would have Lee to help her. Things would probably take place similarly to how they happened in the rest of the season. Clem would most likely still be looked at as a child by Lee and Kenny, seeing as Kenny never really had a relationship to her in Season One anyway, and would probably spend his time reminiscing with Lee as opposed to Clem. He possibly could have helped out with Carver invading the lodge and possibly pushed them back, but I doubt it.
In episode 3, After being brought to Howe's, he probably would have been the one to cover for Clem and get his eye beat out, as opposed to Kenny. Later, I guess it would be determined by player choice whether or not Lee brutally beat Carver to death by either Season One decisions (Killed Danny St. John, choked out the Stranger, how far he beat Andy St. John and other such choices) if we were to still be playing as Clem this season. If we were playing as Lee, we would still get the choice on the spot on whether to kill him or leave him.
In episode 4, Lee probably wouldn't really change anything to do with the plot, except maybe being able to help Sarah, and would possibly butt heads with Kenny.
Finally, in episode 5, I'd say Lee again wouldn't change much throughout the first half. He absolutely wouldn't help Bonnie and Mike leave the kids. I doubt any of them would get away, with another person helping stopping them. The ending would be completely different though, as there's no way he'd fit in with the Jane or Kenny fight. He'd probably calm things down and keep everyone under control. If worse came to worse, he'd still probably be able to pry Jane/Kenny off of one another as Clem got in between them. I'd assume Jane would confess to what she did with AJ and I guess Lee and Clem would either stick with Kenny and find wellington or leave with Jane back to Howe's, with neither having to die. At Wellington, Clem and AJ would be able to leave Kenny and Lee and the Wellington ending would be the same going into ANF. The Jane ending would be the same as well, only with Lee also being there.
Then there comes ANF, in which I feel Lee would have to die/go missing in episode 1 to cut off all lose ends anyway. The only one I struggle with is Jane's, as she would commit suicide, but Lee, Clem and AJ would still be there, so there wouldn't be a real point in leaving Howe's. Anyway, that's what I think.
All of this is assuming that Season Two and ANF remain the same fundamental stories, which wouldn't happen. They would be written to accommodate Lee's presence, and the entire season would be different from episode 1.
Now THAT is a good storytelling my fellow Stacheist!
Well, after a while, I think he would start seeing Clementine more like an equal than someone he has to protect. Since he's the only smart guy, I guess that the Carver situation in Season 2 would have been handled better. Lee would try to keep Clementine's innocence while Clem tried to get him to treat her like an adult. Kind of like the Javi and Gabe situation. She would probably do something very stupid to prove she's strong and fuck it up. I know it seems out of character, but that's because that stupid shit she did in canon got Lee killed, and she learned form that. If he didn't die, it wouldn't have stuck to her like that and she would probably be a little more naive and childish. Probably Kenny wouldn't have gone the way he did because he had the Angel Lee in his shoulder to tell him what to do and help him, and Clementine being more innocent would remind him more of Duck and give him hope. I think it would have ended with the group (many more of them alive because Lee is Lee) going to Wellington, but since only Clem and AJ were allowed and she wouldn't leave Daddy Lee, she would give them the middle finger and walk away intot eh horizon with her new family.
In ANF, since more people is alive and Clem has been with them for a long time, there are more people she can trust on. Plus, AJ wouldn't be her responsability, because Kenny or Lee (or hell Rebecca or Alvin is Lee manages to save them) would be the ones taking care of him, and Clem would have a Big Sister role here. This, again, would mean she wasn't forced to grow up so fast, keeping a little more innocence, though by this time Lee already treats her a little more like an equal, and she can perfectly take care of herself. I can imagine him having to deal with letting her grow up, again, like the Javi and Gabe thing. I don't know if they would have joined The New Frontier. I guess Kenny would fuck it up (how rare of Kenny) and get him kicked out or something. Or maybe Lee manages to get him to CALM THE FUCK DOWN. With propper care of adults that know how to take care of a baby, I don't know if he would have gotten sick, and if he did, I don't think Kenny and Lee would accept a "No" for an answer to the medicine issue. And even if that was the case, the NF wouldn't take the baby. So many possibilities. The game would probably center more around Lee and Clementine, and since Telltale is Telltale, Prescott (INSERT TRIGGERED CHLOE PRICE HERE) ends up in the mix as well. Javi would try to flirt with Lee because who wouldn't and probably it would end up with the comic characters making an introduction because YOLO
here s how i see it:
the episode goes on like Normal except Lee manages to leave the building before they re surprounded by Walkers so they manage to get back to the house when Vernon is taking the boat there is a shootout where Vernon dies but the rest of his group manage to escape with the boat .
The herd of walkers is still not there so Lee and the others would decide to go by land instead of jumping from building to building up but they get cornered by walkers in the building they originally jump to the group climbs the ladder and escapes mostly safely.
Kenny still would knock over the radio and Christa would try to get it but instead of Kenny being the one to jump after it Ben ((If alive)) would be the first one to jump because he wants to make up for his mistakes and be useful to the group Ben tries to get Christa back into the building but Walkers start pouring in then Kenny would jump in there and shoot the walkers while ben lifts Christa then Both Ben and Kenny survive onto season 2.
the rest of the scenes go as usual. Lee and Clem reunite with Omid and Christa.
during the opening of season 2 Lee would stop Michelle from killing Omid and they would let her Leave . The campfire scene would be more lighthearted With Omid Telling Jokes and Discussing with Lee about their common interest in History while Christa teaches Clem how to make a fire Christa would then notice they need more Wood and leave.
Omid would go after her when you get the Fire going and the scavengers attack Christa and omid .
Lee and Clem get to where they are but they get spotted and separated Clem and Lee would be together up until the point Where Clem trips and falls in the River .
Lee would find her during the ending of episode 1 because he followed the course of the River and found the dead bodies of the scavengers.
episode 2 would be mostly the same except when you met up with Kenny , Ben would be there too and in the Hub you get after talking to Kenny and Walt you would have an option to talk to him and he would tell Clem how they survived their ´´Deaths´´.
During the scene with Carver Lee would be With Kenny , Ben and Luke and he would stop Kenny from shooting and surprender so that no one got hurt ((Ben would have left to Check on Luke and try to convince him to come back.))
in Episode 3 Walt would have the honor of being Howe s new Cook and Lee would be working with Kenny and Mike.
When Luke showns up he would tell Clem that Ben s waiting at the meet up point cause he thought that if Ben went with him the chances of both of them getting found out would be bigger.
during the scene where Carver smashes Kenny s eye Lee would stop Carver after the first 2 swings but get shot and knocked out by Troy ((Not a fatal gunshot thought.))
Lee would also be worried about Clem when she has to grab the radios and turn on the PE system.
Lee would tie carver up during the confrontation with him ((I Dont think Lee would have let kenny Crowbar him.))
During the herd scene During the confusion Lee would be looking for Clem and take her with a Bitten Sarita to go with Kenny and Mike .
After they leave the Herd then Lee would Cut Sarita s Arm off and use a piece of his clothes to stop the bleeding ensuring Sarita s survival .
Jane still goes with Clem to search for Luke and sarah .
Lee would be with Jane when they were looking for Places for Rebecca to have her baby and he would stop Jane from stealing the supplies but Arvo would still bring the russian group to attack them.
Sarita would help kenny with the Delivery of AJ while Lee walt Clem and the others shot the walkers.
Sarah would still die in the deck and The group would leave for the city but get intercepted by Arvo s group where during the Shootout Walter would be Killed .
Lee would treat Arvo nicely and stop Kenny from beating up which Arvo Knock out Clem instead of shooting her when he steals the supplies with Bonnie and Mike because he owes Lee.
they would get Separated during the car scene in the snowstorm and Clem would reunite with Kenny and Jane.
The fight would break out and when Clem grabs the gun you would hear someone s voice as Clem points the Gun at Kenny.
Shoot Kenny: Clem would accidentally Shoot Ben who was running in to try to stop Kenny and Jane s fight , Ben tells Clem that its not her fault as he dies.
Lee showns up with Sarita and makes sure Ben doesnt turn .
After Lee discovers Jane hid AJ in the car he decides the group should Leave her there and you would get to Wellington with Sarita , Kenny , Lee and Clem.
Edith would Allow Sarita , Clem and AJ to enter richmond but not Kenny and Lee who tell them to go:
Enter wellington:
Lee hugs Clementine one last time while Kenny kisses Sarita and Leaves his hat For Clem to give to AJ.
Leave with them: Clem manages to Convince Lee and Kenny to let them come with him and Edith gives them another bag of supplies which Lee takes.
Dont shoot Kenny: Ben would tackle Kenny and try to stop the fight as Lee showns up with Sarita and hears AJ Crying he then decides they should Leave Jane and the scenes would play out the same except Ben would still be Alive.
And that s pretty much it.
I've had ideas of changing the game a bit with some extra bonus choices. You can see them on my profile page here:
https://telltale.com/profile/10762073/flash-jack
Let me know what you think.