No one is going to mention how Clem knows how to drive a Motorcycle? There's been zero evidence that she even know how to ride a bike. Does Kenny teach Clem to ride a bike:')
I doubt he'd do that. He's not that petty. Plus he, like, has an attachment or whatever with Ava--anyone who comes between might just end dead, you hear?
Plus, he did have a counter-counterargument: invoking Joan.
No one is going to mention how Clem knows how to drive a Motorcycle? There's been zero evidence that she even know how to ride a bike. Does Kenny teach Clem to ride a bike:')
For what it's worth, I think it was just a bout of disilllusionment, but his multiple year-long love for his dad meant he decided to side with him on leaving Richmond for the purpose of being able to convince him to change his mind and go back..
In EP4 if you accept Clint's plan which leads to David starting the fight, Eleanor will blame Javi for everything but won't scold David in the slightest when he walks in.
Also, David doesn't care at all that Eleanor betrayed Javi and determinately caused the death of Ava.
Actually, Ava and Tripp were captured by Joan's forces while scouting the area unbeknownst to Eleanor. All she did was warn Joan that Javier was coming to turn the people against her and Joan already knew they were still in the city to begin with, given Javier's escape and The Specialist's report of the armory being breached.
But you're right that she should've been just as if not more angry with David, considering he's the reason the shootout happened in the first place.
In EP4 if you accept Clint's plan which leads to David starting the fight, Eleanor will blame Javi for everything but won't scold David in t… morehe slightest when he walks in.
Also, David doesn't care at all that Eleanor betrayed Javi and determinately caused the death of Ava.
Meh. Just taking advantage of the fact that she was one of them for a while and he is wearing fingerless gloves.
Besides, hanging with him is apparently like hanging with some combination of Omid, Eddie, and Nate.
True, but either way David of all people would've been incredibly pissed at the person that sold out Javi and his group to Joan. If David killed Clint after the latter tried to save him, could you imagine what David would've done to back-stabbing Eleanor had the writers not ignored this?
Actually, Ava and Tripp were captured by Joan's forces while scouting the area unbeknownst to Eleanor. All she did was warn Joan that Javier… more was coming to turn the people against her and Joan already knew they were still in the city to begin with, given Javier's escape and The Specialist's report of the armory being breached.
But you're right that she should've been just as if not more angry with David, considering he's the reason the shootout happened in the first place.
Someone posted some sound clips in the Details thread from the flashback where Clementine is sneaking around with AJ: Badger(or maybe the guy with shades, since he had a similar voice and/or font color) can be heard laughing(in a way that makes me think he was a bit drunk), accusing David of farting again, and asking Ava if she was gonna sing a particular song because he loved it.
Plus, Nate is the immediate comparison some people make.
Something that doesn't make sense to me is how did badger know javier would be at prescott? How did he know francine was from there? idk why they blamed javier for defending himself against Lonnie.
No one is going to mention how Clem knows how to drive a Motorcycle? There's been zero evidence that she even know how to ride a bike. Does Kenny teach Clem to ride a bike:')
He captured her while she was scouting and likely interrogated her for find out if she saw Javier, heading to Prescott when he got his answer.
Also, Javier was trepassing on their yard and Max was suspicious that he had company from a previous experience, so he had Lonnie keep an eye on him to check things out. Javier attacking Lonnie(in which he proved himself a felon, no matter which way you look at it) just officially got him on the New Frontier's bad side.
Something that doesn't make sense to me is how did badger know javier would be at prescott? How did he know francine was from there? idk why they blamed javier for defending himself against Lonnie.
Only one I can think of off the top of my head but man did/does it bother me a lot.
Episode 5, right at the beginning. Kate drives into the barricade, the engine? explodes, and Javi rushes to see if she's okay. Mind you, we're in full view of this as we make our way over to her, fighting through the walkers and people firing at us. So we get there and she's not there, we retreat and then Kate poofs herself there a moment later?
How in the fuck did that happen? You're seriously trying to tell me this previously injured woman (from 2 days ago I believe); crashed head-first, had an explosion happen right in front of her, and had threats on all sides... and she managed to slip-out of the vehicle unnoticed by us, completely fine and uninjured, and was even able to bash a walker a minute or two after??
This is just terrible and goes beyond plot convenience and just becomes a massive hole, not to say I wanted Kate to be utterly helpless again but her being completely fine and teleportation trick really had me mad and only fueled me more to hate this episode. There's poor writing, then there's bad writing, and there's "Ah screw it".
When David badgers about Javi never being there for the family, so he promises to be there for them and stays with them, next episode, David says hes intruding in their lives and tells Javi to leave, to make things more inconsistent David continuously uses Javi not being there for a family as an insult through out the season
yeah, they just show the door open in the beginning of the ep. but at the end of episode four, she's definitely in the truck. they should've at least mentioned that she was shot literally two-three days ago. episode five's writer seemed to have forgotten everything that happened in previous episodes, like the writing was so goddamn inconsistent and didn't really flow with anything that happened before.
Only one I can think of off the top of my head but man did/does it bother me a lot.
Episode 5, right at the beginning. Kate drives into t… morehe barricade, the engine? explodes, and Javi rushes to see if she's okay. Mind you, we're in full view of this as we make our way over to her, fighting through the walkers and people firing at us. So we get there and she's not there, we retreat and then Kate poofs herself there a moment later?
How in the fuck did that happen? You're seriously trying to tell me this previously injured woman (from 2 days ago I believe); crashed head-first, had an explosion happen right in front of her, and had threats on all sides... and she managed to slip-out of the vehicle unnoticed by us, completely fine and uninjured, and was even able to bash a walker a minute or two after??
This is just terrible and goes beyond plot convenience and just becomes a massive hole, not to say I wanted Kate to be utterly helpless aga… [view original content]
People are only mildly upset when you manage to open up Badgers brains with a few swings from a baseball bat. When Kenny's barrage of swings that only crushed in a portion of the face, and wasn't able to get past the skill is sooo terrifying!
"He is losing it Clem, that isn't normal!"
"He's going crazy Clem!"
"He's just like Carver!"
(Then suddenly the flashbacks in Frontier show him being a responsible father figure and that he took care of Clementine for over two years before he magically died in a non canon game)
Meanwhile Javi continues to be BFF's with everyone, including Tripp, because turning someones head into a semblance of mush and brain with only a few swings from a baseball bat is totally normal and not at all alarming.
To be fair, Kenny had shown himself to be aggressive and pigheaded long before Carver got through with him, even outright attacking Mike for trying to help him with their work. Then he lost Sarita and started yelling at everyone, not too long after killing the man who'd terrorized most of them for quite some time, making him seem that much more dangerous.
Meanwhile, Javier had proven himself to be a pretty chill dude with a family of in-laws to take care of for 4 years, defending a girl who robbed him for killing a guy(whether truthfully or by trying to cover it up), and determinantly just taking it when anyone goes off on him. And only [determinantly] two people witness what he did to a guy who killed his niece, kidnapped/mutilate/killed a man's wife, completely destroyed a town he wasn't even supposed to be at, and then gloated about it.
People are only mildly upset when you manage to open up Badgers brains with a few swings from a baseball bat. When Kenny's barrage of swings… more that only crushed in a portion of the face, and wasn't able to get past the skill is sooo terrifying!
"He is losing it Clem, that isn't normal!"
"He's going crazy Clem!"
"He's just like Carver!"
(Then suddenly the flashbacks in Frontier show him being a responsible father figure and that he took care of Clementine for over two years before he magically died in a non canon game)
Meanwhile Javi continues to be BFF's with everyone, including Tripp, because turning someones head into a semblance of mush and brain with only a few swings from a baseball bat is totally normal and not at all alarming.
I don't think Javier should be criticized for what he did, but I disagree on Kenny and look at him more favorably. I don't think Kenny was necessarily pig headed, and I would be angry if a bunch of random people came into my home, led to the death of his two best friends, and got him, a young girl he cherished, and his love kidnapped.
I dislike the double standard, and it reflects back on I find that Crazy Kenny plot line utterly absurd.
(Not to mention how utterly moronic it was that Clementine barely mentioned the flashlights, and no one prepared for the very obvious fact they were going to get attacked, seriously Kenny and co. should not have been forced into that mess)
The anatomy was just plain weird though, rather inconsistent. You would think the difference between an aluminium bat and a crowbar would be noteworthy.
To be fair, Kenny had shown himself to be aggressive and pigheaded long before Carver got through with him, even outright attacking Mike for… more trying to help him with their work. Then he lost Sarita and started yelling at everyone, not too long after killing the man who'd terrorized most of them for quite some time, making him seem that much more dangerous.
Meanwhile, Javier had proven himself to be a pretty chill dude with a family of in-laws to take care of for 4 years, defending a girl who robbed him for killing a guy(whether truthfully or by trying to cover it up), and determinantly just taking it when anyone goes off on him. And only [determinantly] two people witness what he did to a guy who killed his niece, kidnapped/mutilate/killed a man's wife, completely destroyed a town he wasn't even supposed to be at, and then gloated about it.
Well, by that I mean stubborn: often refusing to just ease on certain things in favor of a smarter approach.
I dislike the double standard, and it reflects back on I find that Crazy Kenny plot line utterly absurd.
Eh. I get what they were going for at the very least, even if it felt a just bit rushed/sudden. I'm curious to see what would've happened had that been Carlos as was likely planned at one point.
The anatomy was just plain weird though, rather inconsistent. You would think the difference between an aluminium bat and a crowbar would be noteworthy.
I don't think Javier should be criticized for what he did, but I disagree on Kenny and look at him more favorably. I don't think Kenny was n… moreecessarily pig headed, and I would be angry if a bunch of random people came into my home, led to the death of his two best friends, and got him, a young girl he cherished, and his love kidnapped.
I dislike the double standard, and it reflects back on I find that Crazy Kenny plot line utterly absurd.
(Not to mention how utterly moronic it was that Clementine barely mentioned the flashlights, and no one prepared for the very obvious fact they were going to get attacked, seriously Kenny and co. should not have been forced into that mess)
The anatomy was just plain weird though, rather inconsistent. You would think the difference between an aluminium bat and a crowbar would be noteworthy.
I think that's not as much a plothole so much as a plot convenience that might've been more properly set up if they had more time. @KennyshouldadiedinSeason1 had a pretty good explanation for that.
My perspective was that Gabe was very conflicted about David: on one hand he had been idolising him for years, and the other he began to realise that his father was very much human and had some worrying traits. By FTG, he was leaning more towards the former than the latter ([determinantly] shooting Clint, breaking Fern's arm, killing Rufus, attacking Javi, etc.), but felt guilty doing so and saw that as a "betrayal" of sorts to his father. He chose to go with David because he felt he owed his father that much and because he saw it as his duty. I've actually seen a lot of people say that Gabe wanted to convince David to go back from the get go, but... I think it was during the car ride that he had the epiphany that his father was a flawed, often unhinged man, and that Javi was the father figure in his life who would act for his best interests and was the one he should've looked up to. He kept trying to convince himself that David's decision to leave was the right choice, but during the ride his true feelings reached a point where he just knew he had to go back.
ANF takes place during the two year timeskip after Negan is defeated. This is the same time as the Michonne Mini-Series took place. We don't know much about what happened during those two years, so the game is a perfect opportunity to show what they were doing. A lot can happen in two years. Hell, the events of season 2 took place over the course of about 2 weeks.
True. I think it would have been cool if there were different ways we could have met Clementine, especially given the difference in location at the end of Season 2. If you go back to Howes, you are in Tennessee, which is right next to Virginia. If you're by yourself, than it can be assumed that your somewhere in Tennessee or West Virginia. And finally, if you went to Wellington, your up in Ohio, which is 2 states above Virginia. I think it would have been cool if you met Javi in different ways depending on your ending. For instance:
-If you went alone, than the meeting would play out the same way It currently does.(She has shown to prefer being by herself)
-If you went to Wellington, Clem would be at Prescott after the fall of Wellington.(She prefers communities and large groups)
-If you went with Jane, Clem AND Jane would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
-If you went with Kenny, Clem AND Kenny would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
For me, the biggest plot hole is how no matter where or who Clementine is with, she always ends up the same way, in the same place.
I'm e… morexpected to believe that Clementine and AJ are the only people from their group alive in each S2 Ending circumstance, and since there seems to be different passages of time, I'm expected to believe that Clementine and AJ always make it to the same location where they first met Ava?
I wish the game got delayed so they could actually work on it more.
True. I think it would have been cool if there were different ways we could have met Clementine, especially given the difference in location… more at the end of Season 2. If you go back to Howes, you are in Tennessee, which is right next to Virginia. If you're by yourself, than it can be assumed that your somewhere in Tennessee or West Virginia. And finally, if you went to Wellington, your up in Ohio, which is 2 states above Virginia. I think it would have been cool if you met Javi in different ways depending on your ending. For instance:
-If you went alone, than the meeting would play out the same way It currently does.(She has shown to prefer being by herself)
-If you went to Wellington, Clem would be at Prescott after the fall of Wellington.(She prefers communities and large groups)
-If you went with Jane, Clem AND Jane would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
-If you went with Kenny, Clem AND Kenny would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
That's the problem with having multiple writers and having writers that don't replay the previous episodes or at least read the previous episode scripts but if they did do that, then I'd honestly be shocked that the writing is still inconsistent.
yeah, they just show the door open in the beginning of the ep. but at the end of episode four, she's definitely in the truck. they should've… more at least mentioned that she was shot literally two-three days ago. episode five's writer seemed to have forgotten everything that happened in previous episodes, like the writing was so goddamn inconsistent and didn't really flow with anything that happened before.
What do you mean? Choices do matter, if you stayed with Jane, Kenny or Edith they make brief appearances and die. If you go to Wellington or Howe's they're in the flashbacks and you never hear from them again, plus the best part is that Clementine's personality does change! If you go with Jane or stay Alone she's automatically seen as a hardcore survivor who doesn't care about the safey of others and shoots David, which makes sense if she was an absolute sweetheart in Season 2 and since Jane had character development that made the players assume she would be more hopeful and if you go with Kenny or go into Wellington, she's automatically seen as a hardcore survivor labelled as a family lover who doesn't care about the safety of others and only threatens David with a gun, which makes sense if etc. /s
Having a brand new cast where our major choices from previous seasons, don't affect them or matter to them, in some shape or form, at all.
"Choices matter" my arse.
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No one is going to mention how Clem knows how to drive a Motorcycle? There's been zero evidence that she even know how to ride a bike. Does Kenny teach Clem to ride a bike:')
They remembered it in Rotten World.
Tehe "petty"
This season was a huge sinking hole of plot. That being said I still enjoyed it..
David, when you really think about, is a huge sore loser who can't handle to slighted very well.
Eh, just assume Badger or Ava taught her.
Gabe wanting to go with David in the truck when the whole episode was him realizing he hates his dad
For what it's worth, I think it was just a bout of disilllusionment, but his multiple year-long love for his dad meant he decided to side with him on leaving Richmond for the purpose of being able to convince him to change his mind and go back..
I don't want to imagine him around her.
Meh. Just taking advantage of the fact that she was one of them for a while and he is wearing fingerless gloves.
Besides, hanging with him is apparently like hanging with some combination of Omid, Eddie, and Nate.
In EP4 if you accept Clint's plan which leads to David starting the fight, Eleanor will blame Javi for everything but won't scold David in the slightest when he walks in.
Also, David doesn't care at all that Eleanor betrayed Javi and determinately caused the death of Ava.
Actually, Ava and Tripp were captured by Joan's forces while scouting the area unbeknownst to Eleanor. All she did was warn Joan that Javier was coming to turn the people against her and Joan already knew they were still in the city to begin with, given Javier's escape and The Specialist's report of the armory being breached.
But you're right that she should've been just as if not more angry with David, considering he's the reason the shootout happened in the first place.
How's that?
True, but either way David of all people would've been incredibly pissed at the person that sold out Javi and his group to Joan. If David killed Clint after the latter tried to save him, could you imagine what David would've done to back-stabbing Eleanor had the writers not ignored this?
Someone posted some sound clips in the Details thread from the flashback where Clementine is sneaking around with AJ: Badger(or maybe the guy with shades, since he had a similar voice and/or font color) can be heard laughing(in a way that makes me think he was a bit drunk), accusing David of farting again, and asking Ava if she was gonna sing a particular song because he loved it.
Plus, Nate is the immediate comparison some people make.
Something that doesn't make sense to me is how did badger know javier would be at prescott? How did he know francine was from there? idk why they blamed javier for defending himself against Lonnie.
Why do people think driving is that fucking hard?
I've ridden a motorcycle twice and it was fucking easy.
How old are you that you think it's difficult?
He captured her while she was scouting and likely interrogated her for find out if she saw Javier, heading to Prescott when he got his answer.
Also, Javier was trepassing on their yard and Max was suspicious that he had company from a previous experience, so he had Lonnie keep an eye on him to check things out. Javier attacking Lonnie(in which he proved himself a felon, no matter which way you look at it) just officially got him on the New Frontier's bad side.
Only one I can think of off the top of my head but man did/does it bother me a lot.
Episode 5, right at the beginning. Kate drives into the barricade, the engine? explodes, and Javi rushes to see if she's okay. Mind you, we're in full view of this as we make our way over to her, fighting through the walkers and people firing at us. So we get there and she's not there, we retreat and then Kate poofs herself there a moment later?
How in the fuck did that happen? You're seriously trying to tell me this previously injured woman (from 2 days ago I believe); crashed head-first, had an explosion happen right in front of her, and had threats on all sides... and she managed to slip-out of the vehicle unnoticed by us, completely fine and uninjured, and was even able to bash a walker a minute or two after??
This is just terrible and goes beyond plot convenience and just becomes a massive hole, not to say I wanted Kate to be utterly helpless again but her being completely fine and teleportation trick really had me mad and only fueled me more to hate this episode. There's poor writing, then there's bad writing, and there's "Ah screw it".
When David badgers about Javi never being there for the family, so he promises to be there for them and stays with them, next episode, David says hes intruding in their lives and tells Javi to leave, to make things more inconsistent David continuously uses Javi not being there for a family as an insult through out the season
If you tell david kate wants to leave him in episode 4.but in episode 5 he still wants to know why she won't look at him.
yeah, they just show the door open in the beginning of the ep. but at the end of episode four, she's definitely in the truck. they should've at least mentioned that she was shot literally two-three days ago. episode five's writer seemed to have forgotten everything that happened in previous episodes, like the writing was so goddamn inconsistent and didn't really flow with anything that happened before.
People are only mildly upset when you manage to open up Badgers brains with a few swings from a baseball bat. When Kenny's barrage of swings that only crushed in a portion of the face, and wasn't able to get past the skill is sooo terrifying!
"He is losing it Clem, that isn't normal!"
"He's going crazy Clem!"
"He's just like Carver!"
(Then suddenly the flashbacks in Frontier show him being a responsible father figure and that he took care of Clementine for over two years before he magically died in a non canon game)
Meanwhile Javi continues to be BFF's with everyone, including Tripp, because turning someones head into a semblance of mush and brain with only a few swings from a baseball bat is totally normal and not at all alarming.
To be fair, Kenny had shown himself to be aggressive and pigheaded long before Carver got through with him, even outright attacking Mike for trying to help him with their work. Then he lost Sarita and started yelling at everyone, not too long after killing the man who'd terrorized most of them for quite some time, making him seem that much more dangerous.
Meanwhile, Javier had proven himself to be a pretty chill dude with a family of in-laws to take care of for 4 years, defending a girl who robbed him for killing a guy(whether truthfully or by trying to cover it up), and determinantly just taking it when anyone goes off on him. And only [determinantly] two people witness what he did to a guy who killed his niece, kidnapped/mutilate/killed a man's wife, completely destroyed a town he wasn't even supposed to be at, and then gloated about it.
I don't think Javier should be criticized for what he did, but I disagree on Kenny and look at him more favorably. I don't think Kenny was necessarily pig headed, and I would be angry if a bunch of random people came into my home, led to the death of his two best friends, and got him, a young girl he cherished, and his love kidnapped.
I dislike the double standard, and it reflects back on I find that Crazy Kenny plot line utterly absurd.
(Not to mention how utterly moronic it was that Clementine barely mentioned the flashlights, and no one prepared for the very obvious fact they were going to get attacked, seriously Kenny and co. should not have been forced into that mess)
The anatomy was just plain weird though, rather inconsistent. You would think the difference between an aluminium bat and a crowbar would be noteworthy.
Well, by that I mean stubborn: often refusing to just ease on certain things in favor of a smarter approach.
Eh. I get what they were going for at the very least, even if it felt a just bit rushed/sudden. I'm curious to see what would've happened had that been Carlos as was likely planned at one point.
Seriel Escalation, I suppose.
it was never explained How Kate learned to drive a bulldozer...
I think that's not as much a plothole so much as a plot convenience that might've been more properly set up if they had more time. @KennyshouldadiedinSeason1 had a pretty good explanation for that.
My perspective was that Gabe was very conflicted about David: on one hand he had been idolising him for years, and the other he began to realise that his father was very much human and had some worrying traits. By FTG, he was leaning more towards the former than the latter ([determinantly] shooting Clint, breaking Fern's arm, killing Rufus, attacking Javi, etc.), but felt guilty doing so and saw that as a "betrayal" of sorts to his father. He chose to go with David because he felt he owed his father that much and because he saw it as his duty. I've actually seen a lot of people say that Gabe wanted to convince David to go back from the get go, but... I think it was during the car ride that he had the epiphany that his father was a flawed, often unhinged man, and that Javi was the father figure in his life who would act for his best interests and was the one he should've looked up to. He kept trying to convince himself that David's decision to leave was the right choice, but during the ride his true feelings reached a point where he just knew he had to go back.
Plotholes are usually related to the plot, while the things DabigRG listed are just character inconsistencies.
Having a brand new cast where our major choices from previous seasons, don't affect them or matter to them, in some shape or form, at all.
"Choices matter" my arse.
ANF takes place during the two year timeskip after Negan is defeated. This is the same time as the Michonne Mini-Series took place. We don't know much about what happened during those two years, so the game is a perfect opportunity to show what they were doing. A lot can happen in two years. Hell, the events of season 2 took place over the course of about 2 weeks.
True. I think it would have been cool if there were different ways we could have met Clementine, especially given the difference in location at the end of Season 2. If you go back to Howes, you are in Tennessee, which is right next to Virginia. If you're by yourself, than it can be assumed that your somewhere in Tennessee or West Virginia. And finally, if you went to Wellington, your up in Ohio, which is 2 states above Virginia. I think it would have been cool if you met Javi in different ways depending on your ending. For instance:
-If you went alone, than the meeting would play out the same way It currently does.(She has shown to prefer being by herself)
-If you went to Wellington, Clem would be at Prescott after the fall of Wellington.(She prefers communities and large groups)
-If you went with Jane, Clem AND Jane would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
-If you went with Kenny, Clem AND Kenny would play a part in the story and you would meet them both at Prescott
I would've loved this! Although in addition to the Wellington Ending, I think Edith should accompany Clementine.
He got deleted from the Matrix.
Yeah, I mean, could they really not think of at least two different instances for Clementine's appearance?
Because Telltale still likes to pretend that our choices have an effect.
Obviously walker futs are much more dangerous than walker guts!
That's the problem with having multiple writers and having writers that don't replay the previous episodes or at least read the previous episode scripts but if they did do that, then I'd honestly be shocked that the writing is still inconsistent.
What do you mean? Choices do matter, if you stayed with Jane, Kenny or Edith they make brief appearances and die. If you go to Wellington or Howe's they're in the flashbacks and you never hear from them again, plus the best part is that Clementine's personality does change! If you go with Jane or stay Alone she's automatically seen as a hardcore survivor who doesn't care about the safey of others and shoots David, which makes sense if she was an absolute sweetheart in Season 2 and since Jane had character development that made the players assume she would be more hopeful and if you go with Kenny or go into Wellington, she's automatically seen as a hardcore survivor labelled as a family lover who doesn't care about the safety of others and only threatens David with a gun, which makes sense if etc. /s