His character was tragic in S1 and later on it's just beyond all of it. Just when he thought he's finally at peace and redeemed himself (sacrificing himself either for Ben or Christa), the fate failed to grant him with rest and brought him back to this nightmare of a world. Despite the mental state he was in, he was still capable of feeling happiness and he fell in love once again, which must've been extremely hard. After that, that part of his heart was ripped off his chest and he is on the edge of sanity again, just to snap and go nuts at the end, representing the final state of a human forced to endure so much, scaring away his loved ones he was trying to protect. It's very heartbreaking, depressing and indeed well-developed.
I guess not. As I was let down and disappointed with the second season, I will say I think it's a lot better than A New Frontier in terms of writing, characters, dialogue and episodes.
S1 Kenny was a great character....S2 Kenny was a detrimental mess that the writers relied on the good feelings of S1 Kenny to gloss over the fact he was a cliche of the idiot red neck. The first time his actions got someone killed...he was a lost cause. And I am sure Walter agrees.
Well, everything.
His character was tragic in S1 and later on it's just beyond all of it. Just when he thought he's finally at peace and … moreredeemed himself (sacrificing himself either for Ben or Christa), the fate failed to grant him with rest and brought him back to this nightmare of a world. Despite the mental state he was in, he was still capable of feeling happiness and he fell in love once again, which must've been extremely hard. After that, that part of his heart was ripped off his chest and he is on the edge of sanity again, just to snap and go nuts at the end, representing the final state of a human forced to endure so much, scaring away his loved ones he was trying to protect. It's very heartbreaking, depressing and indeed well-developed.
ANF, unlike S2 feels like an unfinished, rushed and cropped game. There's just too little of everything. That didn't let me care and be emotional about anything that was in ANF, unlike S1 and S2.
Also, the way the continuation of the series is handled is atrocious imo. S2 didn't do it perfectly with Omid and it's left to be seen what happenned to Christa.
But ANF just butchered it imo.
Job on S2:
I love the final product of season two. The rich complexity of the blurry relationship dynamic between Clem, Kenny, Jane, and AJ became one of my favorite aspects of the narrative.There was a LOT beneath the surface to that story that we didn't talk about. Mainly because it's all subjective in the end to the user. Even among the team at the time, there was debate and perspective on how everyone viewed each of these characters motivations.
So, instead of trying to at least mirror those subjective perspectives on the story and characters, they decided to choose who is right and wrong. Then just kill them off in cheap way.
Even Job's perspective on S2 that Kenny was abuser is simply decided by ANF writers that he's not (which is from my subjective perspective is good that they didn't go for it)
Jane saying that she won't abandon Clem & AJ is decided to be a lie and she suicides (from my subjective perspective is bad)
It's not something we ever talked about openly, but I can say that his perspective is in line with mine, as well as the intention of some of the creative team. That said, it was also our intention to have users have a completely different perspective on what they thought was right and wrong, and view the characters through their own lenses.
And then ANF came and made everything black and white. Kenny choice is good, Jane choice is bad, Wellington is not safe, ending up alone is the right thing to do. Flashbacks destroyed those lenses and ruined this grey perspective on all the endings.
Oh ya that actually makes me realize how their was barley any hubs/puzzles in season 3. I remember stitching yourself up in episode 1 of season two was brutal.
I feel like Season Two's lack of development was due to how short it was and the lack of hubs to get to know characters, and I'm still very salty at how they treated Jane in ANF, practically undoing her development
Doesn't mean they didn't at least attempt to develop her, which is more than can be said for all other characters.
A character isn't only 'developed' if you personally like them.
S1 Kenny was a great character....S2 Kenny was a detrimental mess that the writers relied on the good feelings of S1 Kenny to gloss over the… more fact he was a cliche of the idiot red neck. The first time his actions got someone killed...he was a lost cause. And I am sure Walter agrees.
Clem mentions you using her as a bargaining chip when you're in the water tower.
C- So who's gonna do it ? (Go get the generator started)
… more C- You know you owe me one right ? You let Conrad use me as trade. That wasn't very polite.
J- If it makes us even...
Also on the choices part ANF is waay above S2
People dislike the way of how Nick and Sarah were handled, but I personally consider it the most realistic and authentic aspect of the game
I agree with you on everything apart from this line in reference to Sarah's second death. Her falling on top of wooden planks and then suddenly being stuck under them is a bit illogical and no one even tried to help her apart from Jane, Mike and Bonnie had more than one bullet but that's all they used. Honestly how they treated Sarah was probably the worst part of Season 2 for me.
Season 2 is quite underrated and undervalued from what I've noticed.
While I can definitely blame the timeskip and Kenny coming back (at … moreall, or maybe just a little too early), or Kenny overshadowing most of the secondary characters; I can still outright say that Season 2 is my favorite season of TWDG series.
Characters were well-written and nicely developed - you have to actually try to read between lines here and there, but it's fine - they are realistic, flawed, have their morals and goals, and have very clear personalities, easy to understand, identify with or attach to.
Although Carver's aspect of the game should've lasted longer, it was still super interesting part of the season, with an opportunity to see a well-functioning community from the inside, to observe the politics and ways of doing things, their rules and guidelines which allowed them to successfully survive a long period of time. Though Carver should've had more bac… [view original content]
The worst offender is Sarah's second death and how everyone immediately forgets about her right when Rebecca has the baby , even Clementine given that Sarah was brutally mauled right in front of her.
To be fair, Jane does remember Sarah and she explains that Sarah's death is a reason she wants to leave but that happens regardless.
Regarding Nick and Sarah, I think people had a major problem with it mostly due to how most of the characters seemed very unphased by their … moredeaths.
Luke's reaction to Nick dying is like he stubbed his toe and he quickly gets over it afterwards even though they were supposed to lifelong friends.
The worst offender is Sarah's second death and how everyone immediately forgets about her right when Rebecca has the baby , even Clementine given that Sarah was brutally mauled right in front of her.
It didn't even feel as though they were desentized to it, it just felt like an after thought like Ava's death.
Actually if you agreed with Conrad's plan Clem will say something like "You need to go through all those walkers since you sold me out to Conrad" when you have to walk through all the walkers and get to the generator in Episode 5
ANF was definitely worse than Season 2. Here is why:
-We were told lies (Episode 1 was split in two because it was TOO BIG; Biggest seaso… moren so far; 42 different Clementines in this season; Rewind feature was removed because not a lot of players used it; Watching Carver Dying will have a big impact on Clementine; No one will take a backseat; Season 2 Endings will have a big impact in this season etc.)
-Lack of character development (How am I supposed to care for any of these characters in this game if I don't get a chance to know much more about them? Gabe is a shitbird, Kate is a bitch and David is a fucking selfish asshole)
-Clementine (This season was supposed to be for the new players and they added Clementine in it to draw the old players as well. The new player fanbase isn't EVEN big. Most of the players who played this game are old players. Her new hair makes her look like a lesbian and I'm not okay with that)
-Full of plot h… [view original content]
They didn't do as good of a job making characters that players could build a fanbase around, and there weren't conflicts that were as powerful in anf as there was in s2. This season didn't have a Kenny, Jane, Sarah or Carver. The characters this season felt more disposable from their first scenes, and that's why I enjoyed this season less, and the forums are not as active for this season. There just isn't many interesting points of discussion.
S2 Kenny either got the kids to Wellington for a normal life or took care of them and kept them happy for years.
Jane his a baby to provo… moreke a fight and then killed herself. What a piece of garbage.
Keep calling Kenny a redneck though I'm sure you might be right someday lmfao.
Agreed. Aside from Gabe, I think one problem with this Installment by the end was that they were desperate to emulate some of those and did a shitty job making things interesting in the long run without backtracking and copping out on things.
They didn't do as good of a job making characters that players could build a fanbase around, and there weren't conflicts that were as powerf… moreul in anf as there was in s2. This season didn't have a Kenny, Jane, Sarah or Carver. The characters this season felt more disposable from their first scenes, and that's why I enjoyed this season less, and the forums are not as active for this season. There just isn't many interesting points of discussion.
The worst (storywise and logic wise) to me was the shootout and the whole Arvo's medicine scene - it happened out of nowhere without any explanation and continuation, and the city they were heading at the end of Ep3 suddenly vanished. Looking back at it, I let it go, because nothing's perfect, just like Sarah's second death could've been better. I understand people's anger on this one, though, especially after Luke almost got eaten "going after Sarah" so he was completely determined to save her, yet he did nothing on that deck. But we can always blame rewrites.
People dislike the way of how Nick and Sarah were handled, but I personally consider it the most realistic and authentic aspect of the game
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I agree with you on everything apart from this line in reference to Sarah's second death. Her falling on top of wooden planks and then suddenly being stuck under them is a bit illogical and no one even tried to help her apart from Jane, Mike and Bonnie had more than one bullet but that's all they used. Honestly how they treated Sarah was probably the worst part of Season 2 for me.
ANF was definitely worse than Season 2. Here is why:
-We were told lies (Episode 1 was split in two because it was TOO BIG; Biggest seaso… moren so far; 42 different Clementines in this season; Rewind feature was removed because not a lot of players used it; Watching Carver Dying will have a big impact on Clementine; No one will take a backseat; Season 2 Endings will have a big impact in this season etc.)
-Lack of character development (How am I supposed to care for any of these characters in this game if I don't get a chance to know much more about them? Gabe is a shitbird, Kate is a bitch and David is a fucking selfish asshole)
-Clementine (This season was supposed to be for the new players and they added Clementine in it to draw the old players as well. The new player fanbase isn't EVEN big. Most of the players who played this game are old players. Her new hair makes her look like a lesbian and I'm not okay with that)
-Full of plot h… [view original content]
i totally agree! when i bought all the games on my new console, i actually dreaded playing s2 because i honestly didn't like any of the characters except kenny and luke and the others (including luke, sadly) aren't very memorable. s2 felt quite pointless, i felt the only significant thing that came out of s2 was in fact, aj. the garcias were like a breath of fresh air and it was interesting to learn about their family dynamic and they story of finding david and their stay in richmond, and i just related to them a lot more and got very attached to them while i didn't feel that way in s2 except for luke. while anf wasn't perfect, i felt it actually was significant with javi (hopefully) not dying on clem and being someone for her to come back to after she gets aj back. maybe he'll be the "one who didn't die" along with aj and that actually keeps me interested.
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Yeah, like their penultimate episodes. I'm starting to see a pattern with their episode 4's being shit.
Well, everything.
His character was tragic in S1 and later on it's just beyond all of it. Just when he thought he's finally at peace and redeemed himself (sacrificing himself either for Ben or Christa), the fate failed to grant him with rest and brought him back to this nightmare of a world. Despite the mental state he was in, he was still capable of feeling happiness and he fell in love once again, which must've been extremely hard. After that, that part of his heart was ripped off his chest and he is on the edge of sanity again, just to snap and go nuts at the end, representing the final state of a human forced to endure so much, scaring away his loved ones he was trying to protect. It's very heartbreaking, depressing and indeed well-developed.
I guess not. As I was let down and disappointed with the second season, I will say I think it's a lot better than A New Frontier in terms of writing, characters, dialogue and episodes.
Nope, I agree. ANF has its problems no doubt but overall it wasn't nearly as bad as season 2 IMO.
S1 Kenny was a great character....S2 Kenny was a detrimental mess that the writers relied on the good feelings of S1 Kenny to gloss over the fact he was a cliche of the idiot red neck. The first time his actions got someone killed...he was a lost cause. And I am sure Walter agrees.
ANF, unlike S2 feels like an unfinished, rushed and cropped game. There's just too little of everything. That didn't let me care and be emotional about anything that was in ANF, unlike S1 and S2.
Also, the way the continuation of the series is handled is atrocious imo. S2 didn't do it perfectly with Omid and it's left to be seen what happenned to Christa.
But ANF just butchered it imo.
Job on S2:
So, instead of trying to at least mirror those subjective perspectives on the story and characters, they decided to choose who is right and wrong. Then just kill them off in cheap way.
Even Job's perspective on S2 that Kenny was abuser is simply decided by ANF writers that he's not (which is from my subjective perspective is good that they didn't go for it)
Jane saying that she won't abandon Clem & AJ is decided to be a lie and she suicides (from my subjective perspective is bad)
And then ANF came and made everything black and white. Kenny choice is good, Jane choice is bad, Wellington is not safe, ending up alone is the right thing to do. Flashbacks destroyed those lenses and ruined this grey perspective on all the endings.
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Remember the atmosphere of season 2? The songs, the places. the hubs...
U really think michonne is better then ANF? Even if your a fan of the comic. I thought michonne was definitely the weakest telltale walking dead game.
Oh ya that actually makes me realize how their was barley any hubs/puzzles in season 3. I remember stitching yourself up in episode 1 of season two was brutal.
I feel like Season Two's lack of development was due to how short it was and the lack of hubs to get to know characters, and I'm still very salty at how they treated Jane in ANF, practically undoing her development![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
S2 Kenny either got the kids to Wellington for a normal life or took care of them and kept them happy for years.
Jane his a baby to provoke a fight and then killed herself. What a piece of garbage.
Keep calling Kenny a redneck though I'm sure you might be right someday lmfao.
If anything I will say A New Frontier had the better penultimate over season 2 while season 2 left you on the best cliffhanger before the final.
Exact opposite of the TV show.
One line of dialogue for what seemed important for Clementine is all we get? I guess it is something.
I agree with you on everything apart from this line in reference to Sarah's second death. Her falling on top of wooden planks and then suddenly being stuck under them is a bit illogical and no one even tried to help her apart from Jane, Mike and Bonnie had more than one bullet but that's all they used. Honestly how they treated Sarah was probably the worst part of Season 2 for me.
To be fair, Jane does remember Sarah and she explains that Sarah's death is a reason she wants to leave but that happens regardless.
Don't forget longer episodes.
Actually if you agreed with Conrad's plan Clem will say something like "You need to go through all those walkers since you sold me out to Conrad" when you have to walk through all the walkers and get to the generator in Episode 5
They didn't do as good of a job making characters that players could build a fanbase around, and there weren't conflicts that were as powerful in anf as there was in s2. This season didn't have a Kenny, Jane, Sarah or Carver. The characters this season felt more disposable from their first scenes, and that's why I enjoyed this season less, and the forums are not as active for this season. There just isn't many interesting points of discussion.
No, you are not the only one. I do think that ANF was the best season so far. Wish we could get more of the Garcias and especially - more Javier!
Well isn't he?
Aren't Season 2's longer than ANF's?
Agreed, even if there was still an issue or two.
Agreed. Aside from Gabe, I think one problem with this Installment by the end was that they were desperate to emulate some of those and did a shitty job making things interesting in the long run without backtracking and copping out on things.
Yup but his detractors like to say that as if it takes away from the noble things he has accomplished
If anything, it just enhances the things he does.
The worst (storywise and logic wise) to me was the shootout and the whole Arvo's medicine scene - it happened out of nowhere without any explanation and continuation, and the city they were heading at the end of Ep3 suddenly vanished. Looking back at it, I let it go, because nothing's perfect, just like Sarah's second death could've been better. I understand people's anger on this one, though, especially after Luke almost got eaten "going after Sarah" so he was completely determined to save her, yet he did nothing on that deck. But we can always blame rewrites.
How does a haircut define her sexuality??? Especially when she didn't even choose it, it was given to her.
Telltale doesn't know how to cut a hair.
i totally agree! when i bought all the games on my new console, i actually dreaded playing s2 because i honestly didn't like any of the characters except kenny and luke and the others (including luke, sadly) aren't very memorable. s2 felt quite pointless, i felt the only significant thing that came out of s2 was in fact, aj. the garcias were like a breath of fresh air and it was interesting to learn about their family dynamic and they story of finding david and their stay in richmond, and i just related to them a lot more and got very attached to them while i didn't feel that way in s2 except for luke. while anf wasn't perfect, i felt it actually was significant with javi (hopefully) not dying on clem and being someone for her to come back to after she gets aj back. maybe he'll be the "one who didn't die" along with aj and that actually keeps me interested.
Anf was a shit show