Clementine wasn't that good of a PC in my opinion.
Honestly, I really didn't like playing as her, and its kinda for a dumb reason.
I don't wanna play as a child who gives adults advice or whatever. This is why I've been saying Javier has been such a good protag, he's such a refresher to be around IMO.
How did you like playing as Clementine?
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I didn't like playing as Clem too but I think playing a 13 year old Clem would have been more interesting then Javier IMO.
I'd say that's a legitimate reason. I'm sure no one dislikes Clementine as a character but as a playable character I feel Javi would work better. Also as I mentioned before maybe a 50/50 split between both would be the best route.
Really? I thought he was very likable and just sadly didn't have enough development. I don't think he was cliche though.
Agreed, I thought she was awful. Playing as a kid doesn't cut it for me. Javier was so refreshing and worked several times better.
I didn't even really notice that, lol. I still think he's a decent protag besides the cliches.
I like playing as a weak young girl who knows how to use her head in the bad situation
Yeah playing as Javier sure worked out nicely for them...
Just because it was rated lower doesn't mean its solely because of Javi being the protag. I enjoyed him much better than Clem, in my opinion.
Clementine playable in ANF? Realistically you get about 15-20 minutes with her. That's it. This is even shorter if you went alone/Wellington ending.
I wouldn't count her as a protagonist. Just a forced in character to please the fans and to shut down and complicated choice scenario's (I.E Season 2 endings)
I meant even in season 2. She wasn't even that well done in s2 IMO. I was saying I'm glad Javi is the protag for ANF because of season 2.
Dude, now you're going to get crucified for expressing a non pro Clem opinion.
Now in all seriousness I agree. The Clementine obsession on here is through the roof. I honestly think Javi was a great addition to the series and a great playable character but I feel like people only hated on him because he was not Clem. Everyone loves Clem so much that they don't want to give any other characters a chance. If any other character goes against Clem the reaction is always "How dare (insert person here) go against Clem! I hope they die a horrible death!" or "You better stay away from MY Clem. Clem is a goddess and we must worship the floor she walks on!". The sad part is I'm only slightly exaggerating.
People want realism for this game, it's like one of the most common complaints. Yet these people are ok with a scrawny 13 year old girl being a badass, taking out hordes, kicking down doors, riding motorcycles, and telling adults what to do. That's pushing it a little too much if you ask me.
People also complain about characters being underdeveloped, but maybe if they actually gave the other characters a chance instead of going "But muh Clem" then maybe this wouldn't be an issue.
In short I agree. Clementine is great but I feel Javi was a better PC especially for a series like TWD.
LOL, I can't wait for the Clementine fans to come at me with pitchforks for this.
I thought Clementine was well done in season 2. It was the design decisions for Season 2 that leave me upset. Such as Christa and Omid being immediately thrown out for no reason.
The only reason I can see for Javi's appearance into the game was directly because of the Season 2 endings. I think they knew it would've been too much work to implement those endings in a diverse way and that's why they introduced this character. I don't believe their intention was to appeal to new fans.
I still think he was a pretty decent protagonist, he could've been really great if they gave him much more development.
That what makes Clementine bad in ANF (IMO) and most characters for that matter. There wasn't enough time to develop them.
Considering how bad the actual quality of ANF was, I think it has little to do with the main.
Playing as Clementine in Season 2 was god-fucking-awful for me.
I don't even mind the fact that ANF is shit, I'm just glad they didn't force me to play as Clem for more than 15 minutes. She's great as a character but just not as the PLAYABLE character.
Also, when Season 4 arrives and Clem probably is the only playable character, I'll be certain to shed a few tears.
How do you not see a correlation with the protagonist and the season quality (michonne and s3 being two examples) ??? Blind denial.
It was okay at the certain point Cough Episode 3 cough.
But I was kinda expecting you'll play as two characters like in that steam punk desert game...
... maybe their old out of date engine couldn't handle two characters different perspectives in interactive cutscenes.
Indeed there are other factors but Javier's character and the inability for players to care for him and his family play a big role.
Maybe, just maybe it was because of...
Because of Javy
Because of Javy
"Indeed there are other factors but Javier's character and the inability for players to care for him and his family play a big role."
We're talking about the story not game/ gameplay elements.
Whatever, I'm not even gonna argue, I like Javier as a PC, and if you don't, fine. That's your opinion.
You'll also be certain you will be in the minority.
clem didn't even develop in anf. she was just inconsistent due to the writing. people didn't NEED to give the other characters a chance for them to develop. the devs should have logic and just develop them like they did in previous seasons. i don't know how many times i had to say this: the low time in each episode, lack of ideal writing, and lack of conversation and hubs led to this. people complaining about clementine or not giving a chance to other characters had nothing to do with them being underdeveloped.
If you can't back up your opinion maybe you should reconsider it. Just my advice.
I'll cry with you fam
I'm not gonna reconsider my opinion just because you like to shit on people for having a different one than yours.
Sorry I don't respect your onion
Asking for reasons to discuss your opinion ≠ shitting on
Don't get so defensive and play victim just because someone wants a backed up reason. In the real world, reasons and evidence are everything and you wont get far with "well its my opinion accept it and stop shitting on me."
And then I said I wasn't gonna argue and she continued to go on. Anyway, I'm done arguing. My opinion still stands.
I am not arguing though, I am merely discussing.
he was just alright, pretty bland honestly. lee was very well developed and well written protagonist. he had an interesting backstory, like how he killed a senator and was being imprisoned. although he murdered someone, he wasn't how you would expect him to be. he is a caring person, especially for clementine. you can really mold him and have different relationships with characters based on how you play. javier is pretty cliche. he was the more liked brother, was involved in a love triangle, handsome, strong, and didn't have really any bad qualities other than the fact that he fucked up his former career. clementine wasn't executed the best, but it was nice to shape her character in form different relationships, like you could have a friendship with sarah or be more brotherly with luke. javier didn't develop at all really throughout the course of the season. it just would've been better to continue with clementine's story because it made so much more sense, rather than just adding her for fanservice and not letting her fulfill her arc. yes, she was only eleven and did shit that no eleven year old could possibly do, but her actual character was good at the end of the day.
I'm not playing victim, I literally said you can have your opinion and I can have mine and you continued to go on. I literally tried to end the discussion and you tried to get the last word in.
I don't see how you'd actually know for sure that people hated Javi and weren't able to relate with him. I'm thinking confirmation bias.
It's a public forum I can reply however many times I please. They're meant for discussion that's what I do. If you don't have a reason to back up your opinion and then someone wants to discuss it on a forum for discussion, saying "its my opinion accept it" is not a discussion.
If you don't want to discuss then why post on a forum? If you don't want alcohol then why go to a bar and complain when someone offers you alcohol?
I know. And I don't mind it.
If the majority is glad about playing as Clem, then I'm happy for Telltale. They apparently did something right then.
it's a discussion where she can reply as many times as she wants?? why does it matter? like she just expressed her opinion, she isn't shitting on yours.
I know because it's the issue most of the fanbase is having, since I have seen the same complains over and over by so many different people on multiple different forums and social medias, not just this forum. So, no, not confirmation bias.
I'm part of the fanbase and I'm telling you on the forums I liked Javi. There's your theory proven wrong.