another example of wasted potential. eleanor was most likely meant to have a larger role, considering the fact that it is claimed by the dev… mores that she was intended to be joan's daughter, but the rewrites minimized her role immensely. i feel that they may have rewritten this instance, where eleanor was joan's daughter, due to so many people predicting it. rewrites have occured several times due to people predicting certain events in later episodes.
Ep.1, Ep.2, and Ep.4 are mainly Javier/Kate episodes.
More like Ep 4 determinately has 3 Kate moments.
Well, I like to think E… morep.4 was a Gabe episode, meaning he was the central focus.
That's clearly the intention. Too bad they didn't take proper/full advantage of that.
Or was Badger ever meant to be there, that was when Rufus was Badger right?
And what was Joan doing at the time, I wonder?
Come to think of it, it's interesting what David says to Paul, that Joan would would also agree with throwing out a 13 year old girl on her ass.
Maybe she was always a cold hearted bitch.
I can see people flocking to a motherly/grandmotherly presence like Joan, but Mason makes more sense. Tall, handsome, imposing but also intelligent looking, people would naturally gravitate towards him as leader.
Plus stylish as hell.
I guess they wanted to avoid having "Evil/Sick White Man #12" be the bad guy yet again. Which, to be honest, is one of the reasons I liked Joan at first.
The worst part for me is after coldly executing Max who's practically crying for them to spare him, it abruptly cuts to the next scene. slicing the impact in two.
I mean, what the fuck? Who was in charge of editing that scene? The way the dark sounding music swells, it even feels like it's supposed to go on longer.
In season 1, the scene would have lingered on his corpse, then we'd get a shot of them walking away and probably a shot of Javi looking back, contemplating his actions.
Here they just cut to next chapter, so awkward. Ironic too, since they obviously wanted this season to feel most like a cinematic experience, and bungled it up in this way.
Elenor's character felt like there was all this build up, but it never amounted to anything. The betrayal was so boring, and even more the encounter with her afterwards was actually pointless. If they had kept her Joan's estranged daughter, it would have made way more sense for her to betray the group. Even the questionable part in the beginning when Elenor says she'll sneak Javi out of Prescott would have maybe had more meaning...Maybe she knew Joan was behind it and was hoping to see her or something? Maybe not that exactly, but it would help just about everything with her character make more sense and give her meaning. But, just like everything else in ANF, seems like constant rewrites of characters and story left her bland and pointless. I suppose part of why they moved away from Joan being her mother was maybe because the reunion of the Garcia's was already happening...Long lost dad/brother/husband, then to have on top of that an estranged mother with another group member, it might be too unrealistic....But honestly just about everything in TWD universe is unrealistic, so I wouldn't have minded if it made the story more interesting.
Or was Badger ever meant to be there, that was when Rufus was Badger right?
I don't really know how that was handled, tbh. But I assume that Rufus replaced Badger so in the truck so Javier could choose to kill him and define himself to Clementine.
Is Rufus in the flashback?
And what was Joan doing at the time, I wonder?
I asked that question in the AMA but I don't think it was answered. She might've been off establishing connections with other settlements as far back as then.
Come to think of it, it's interesting what David says to Paul, that Joan would would also agree with throwing out a 13 year old girl on her ass.
Maybe she was always a cold hearted bitch.
Eh, maybe, maybe not. I'm sure David's implication there is that even Joan wouldn't tolerate what Clementine did. Different writers and all that.
Either way, I definitely had the impression that Joan had earned a lot of clout amongst the New Frontier thanks to her leadership and diplomacy skills. For Clint to continue trusting her judgment after Max outs her backdoor operations and even David to invoke her months beforehand, she'd have to be.
Or was Badger ever meant to be there, that was when Rufus was Badger right?
And what was Joan doing at the time, I wonder?
Come to think o… moref it, it's interesting what David says to Paul, that Joan would would also agree with throwing out a 13 year old girl on her ass.
Maybe she was always a cold hearted bitch.
I guess. My hope would be that he wouldn't just devolve into another Carver-type character and instead be something more unconventional. Joan herself definitely felt like she was intended to be that in Episode 3, but I guess Episode 4's writers decided she got a Titanfueled blood transfusion from Carver or something because she's practically an entirely different person.
Really though, I was getting kinda sick of all the evil white folks/men running around, truth in television or not. Where the evil black people at?
I can see people flocking to a motherly/grandmotherly presence like Joan, but Mason makes more sense. Tall, handsome, imposing but also intelligent looking, people would naturally gravitate towards him as leader.
Plus stylish as hell.
Yeah, that kinda struck me a bit too, particularly since Tripp flinches in the background then goes back to a normal stance before the cut.
It doesn't help that you seem them running out of the gate with an assload of walkers shuffling after them in the backgorund. How the fuck did they get through that?
The worst part for me is after coldly executing Max who's practically crying for them to spare him, it abruptly cuts to the next scene. slic… moreing the impact in two.
I mean, what the fuck? Who was in charge of editing that scene? The way the dark sounding music swells, it even feels like it's supposed to go on longer.
In season 1, the scene would have lingered on his corpse, then we'd get a shot of them walking away and probably a shot of Javi looking back, contemplating his actions.
Here they just cut to next chapter, so awkward. Ironic too, since they obviously wanted this season to feel most like a cinematic experience, and bungled it up in this way.
Even the questionable part in the beginning when Elenor says she'll sneak Javi out of Prescott would have maybe had more meaning...Maybe she knew Joan was behind it and was hoping to see her or something?
I very much doubt it, but she does mention sympathizing with having missing family, so it definitely would've been a background reveal assuming David didn't bring her along to the Council meeting.
I suppose part of why they moved away from Joan being her mother was maybe because the reunion of the Garcia's was already happening...Long lost dad/brother/husband, then to have on top of that an estranged mother with another group member, it might be too unrealistic....But honestly just about everything in TWD universe is unrealistic, so I wouldn't have minded if it made the story more interesting.
The funny thing is, as something who didn't believe that theory before it was confirmed, I thought it'd be Conrad who'd get that reveal if you didn't shoot him.
And it's not like Season 1 (and 2?) wasn't full of similar geodesic plot elements.
Elenor's character felt like there was all this build up, but it never amounted to anything. The betrayal was so boring, and even more the … moreencounter with her afterwards was actually pointless. If they had kept her Joan's estranged daughter, it would have made way more sense for her to betray the group. Even the questionable part in the beginning when Elenor says she'll sneak Javi out of Prescott would have maybe had more meaning...Maybe she knew Joan was behind it and was hoping to see her or something? Maybe not that exactly, but it would help just about everything with her character make more sense and give her meaning. But, just like everything else in ANF, seems like constant rewrites of characters and story left her bland and pointless. I suppose part of why they moved away from Joan being her mother was maybe because the reunion of the Garcia's was already happening...Long lost dad/brother/husband, then to have on top of that an estr… [view original content]
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Actually, they said it was because her character changed so much during development that that backstory no longer made since.
Which really makes me curious as to what changed so much since it'd still synch up well enough by the end.
I agree. Most of Gabe's dialogue in that episode consisted him of saying "I'm sorry for screwing up."
or "Why can't you let me do what I want??"
Or was Badger ever meant to be there, that was when Rufus was Badger right?
And what was Joan doing at the time, I wonder?
Come to think of it, it's interesting what David says to Paul, that Joan would would also agree with throwing out a 13 year old girl on her ass.
Maybe she was always a cold hearted bitch.
I can see people flocking to a motherly/grandmotherly presence like Joan, but Mason makes more sense. Tall, handsome, imposing but also intelligent looking, people would naturally gravitate towards him as leader.
Plus stylish as hell.
The worst part for me is after coldly executing Max who's practically crying for them to spare him, it abruptly cuts to the next scene. slicing the impact in two.
I mean, what the fuck? Who was in charge of editing that scene? The way the dark sounding music swells, it even feels like it's supposed to go on longer.
In season 1, the scene would have lingered on his corpse, then we'd get a shot of them walking away and probably a shot of Javi looking back, contemplating his actions.
Here they just cut to next chapter, so awkward. Ironic too, since they obviously wanted this season to feel most like a cinematic experience, and bungled it up in this way.
Elenor's character felt like there was all this build up, but it never amounted to anything. The betrayal was so boring, and even more the encounter with her afterwards was actually pointless. If they had kept her Joan's estranged daughter, it would have made way more sense for her to betray the group. Even the questionable part in the beginning when Elenor says she'll sneak Javi out of Prescott would have maybe had more meaning...Maybe she knew Joan was behind it and was hoping to see her or something? Maybe not that exactly, but it would help just about everything with her character make more sense and give her meaning. But, just like everything else in ANF, seems like constant rewrites of characters and story left her bland and pointless. I suppose part of why they moved away from Joan being her mother was maybe because the reunion of the Garcia's was already happening...Long lost dad/brother/husband, then to have on top of that an estranged mother with another group member, it might be too unrealistic....But honestly just about everything in TWD universe is unrealistic, so I wouldn't have minded if it made the story more interesting.
I don't really know how that was handled, tbh. But I assume that Rufus replaced Badger so in the truck so Javier could choose to kill him and define himself to Clementine.
Is Rufus in the flashback?
I asked that question in the AMA but I don't think it was answered. She might've been off establishing connections with other settlements as far back as then.
Eh, maybe, maybe not. I'm sure David's implication there is that even Joan wouldn't tolerate what Clementine did. Different writers and all that.
Either way, I definitely had the impression that Joan had earned a lot of clout amongst the New Frontier thanks to her leadership and diplomacy skills. For Clint to continue trusting her judgment after Max outs her backdoor operations and even David to invoke her months beforehand, she'd have to be.
I guess. My hope would be that he wouldn't just devolve into another Carver-type character and instead be something more unconventional. Joan herself definitely felt like she was intended to be that in Episode 3, but I guess Episode 4's writers decided she got a Titanfueled blood transfusion from Carver or something because she's practically an entirely different person.
Really though, I was getting kinda sick of all the evil white folks/men running around, truth in television or not. Where the evil black people at?
Yeah, that kinda struck me a bit too, particularly since Tripp flinches in the background then goes back to a normal stance before the cut.
It doesn't help that you seem them running out of the gate with an assload of walkers shuffling after them in the backgorund. How the fuck did they get through that?
I very much doubt it, but she does mention sympathizing with having missing family, so it definitely would've been a background reveal assuming David didn't bring her along to the Council meeting.
The funny thing is, as something who didn't believe that theory before it was confirmed, I thought it'd be Conrad who'd get that reveal if you didn't shoot him.
And it's not like Season 1 (and 2?) wasn't full of similar geodesic plot elements.