Err? Was this back in 2013? If so then how was i to know how the game would have gone. I dont remember ever saying that. If you can send me a link thanks?
Haha putting down Kenny as usual eh? ? i would trust Kenny more than shitty Luke or any of the cabin survivors!
How in the world could Clementine have been safer with Kenny? Who obviously has anger issues and a totalitarian attitude,
Lol when is anyone ever safe?
heck, if you sit with him he doesn't even ask if Clementine wants to stay with him, he outright tells her she's staying and the cabin group will leave in the morning and you say that Luke doesn't give Clem a choice?
Haha any normal person who had known someone for over 3 months (despite not seeing each other for a long time) that they knew could be trusted (Kenny), someone who had been friends with their son (Duck), would rather stay with said person (Kenny) than a bunch of dickheads who nearly kill her by leaving the infected dog bite to fester. I know i would have. He didn’t say anything like “your staying Clem whether you like it or not”, he assumes Clem wants to stay yes and why wouldn’t he? Also Clem can say she doesn’t want to anyway. Sorry i know this isn’t relavent but i wanted to say it anyway.
Kenny and Clem’s relationship in Season 1 was through Lee, we also see her closeness through Duck and Katjaa which is another reason why she would feel close to Kenny, the relationship through his family. I wish they had shown more interaction but Clem was Lee’s girl whilst Kenny had his own obviously, it doesn’t mean they had no relationship but everything in Season 2 was forced anyway and you know that.
Kenny gives her a bit of a fright and then there's that time where Kenny gives her an angry look and tells her to get into the train cart after she expresses worry over Duck
Petty things as usual to criticise him for. A bit of a fright? It was a joke, im sure Clem didn’t hold that against him for gods sake. Telling her to get on the train angrily? Well his son was dying and every time someone mentioned his ill child, he got upset. He didn’t mean to be horrible to her.
That doesn't give him a reason to drop an injured kid. And he doesn't even apologize. He says don't look at me, you're the one who's bit her… moree. Him being under emotional distress doesn't mean anything. Considering how long it takes to turn, the fact that he should've looked at the bite carefully and known what a walker bite looks like. He had no reason to drop Clem.
Yes, it does. He's carrying a stranger who is evidently groggy and has a bite on her arm. How often do people in the apocalypse get bit by dogs? So of course people are going to automatically assume it was a walker bite, because people everywhere are getting bit and claiming it's nothing. Being in emotional distress means everything in situations, if you hadn't noticed, emotions are a bit difficult to control, which is why people have emotional reactions, in this case, Luke is evidently in a state of panic, not just because Clementine has a bite that they presume is from a … [view original content]
Lol how my feelings have changed since then. Turns out there was no connection of a brotherly relationship with him and Clem. I had hoped for it and at the time i obviously didn’t mind Luke much not knowing how the game would obviously pan out
If so then how was i to know how the game would have gone.
Ain't that da wae?
If you can send me a link thanks?
It was the thread where the initial "Clementine's Clementine" theme of his character was stated.
Lol how my feelings have changed since then. Turns out there was no connection of a brotherly relationship with him and Clem. I had hoped for it and at the time i obviously didn’t mind Luke much not knowing how the game would obviously pan out
They were clearly intending for Carver(along with Carlos and Luke, to an extent) to be much craftier than he ultimately came off, so it's possible. Add in Alvin and Rebecca's close relationships with him and it makes a little more sense than you might think. Carlos at least had the objective foresight to realize that letting Clementine out on her own would be dangerous regardless of allegiance and her supposed capabilities.
I'm just saying it seems like a huge leap. Carver's going to trust a kid he just met to spy for him and not run off?
It was still poorly written. No mention of the threats between them,
That too.
What, do they think Carver miraculously stumble… mored onto a new child recruit and then sent that kid to spy for them after barely getting to know her? That's ridiculous.
They were clearly intending for Carver(along with Carlos and Luke, to an extent) to be much craftier than he ultimately came off, so it's possible. Add in Alvin and Rebecca's close relationships with him and it makes a little more sense than you might think.
Carlos at least had the objective foresight to realize that letting Clementine out on her own would be dangerous regardless of allegiance and her supposed capabilities.
Because they still elaborated on what was happening between then, albeit awkwardly.
And you already got to know most of the characters in episode 1 through, guess what, dialogue hubs.
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Interestingly enough, there's a promo image for season 1 that shows the characters sittin around a campfire.
No idea if this was intended to be a scene at one point or where it would have fit. But it's pretty crazy, since they're at the train, and doug (and mark?) is still alive, and lilly and glenn are still with them.
Pretty weird... just a misleading promo image, or were there some SERIOUS rewrites we never knew about?
Either way, I think it might win the award for most misleading.
When they were talking about there being flashbacks to the past in ANF, I thought they were gonna use at least one to capitalize on that tim… moreeskip.
We finally got a "sittin around a campfire" scene in episode 5, and it was good but it was a bit too late.
A BIT?!
Well, she did just get separated from her guardian by Scavengers, so it stands even further to reason that the average adult would just assume she's lost and in need of help--thus enabling the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.
They were clearly intending for Carver(along with Carlos and Luke, to an extent) to be much craftier than he ultimately came off, so it's po… moressible. Add in Alvin and Rebecca's close relationships with him and it makes a little more sense than you might think. Carlos at least had the objective foresight to realize that letting Clementine out on her own would be dangerous regardless of allegiance and her supposed capabilities.
I'm just saying it seems like a huge leap. Carver's going to trust a kid he just met to spy for him and not run off?
Pretty weird... just a misleading promo image, or were there some SERIOUS rewrites we never knew about?
It's possible. These type of things go through numerous rewrites while the storyboarding and even animation/filming is underway.
Glenn and Lilly still being there originally was likely changed to avoid continuity issues regarding how they'd end up where they should be in the comic/show. Not to mention that they'd be conspiciously up to chop.
Interestingly enough, there's a promo image for season 1 that shows the characters sittin around a campfire.
No idea if this was intended t… moreo be a scene at one point or where it would have fit. But it's pretty crazy, since they're at the train, and doug (and mark?) is still alive, and lilly and glenn are still with them.
Pretty weird... just a misleading promo image, or were there some SERIOUS rewrites we never knew about?
Either way, I think it might win the award for most misleading.
I know, but it's interesting to think about. Maybe the timeline was different, and they spent less time in the motor inn.
Glenn still needs time to meet up with Rick as he appears in the walking dead comics.
Pretty weird... just a misleading promo image, or were there some SERIOUS rewrites we never knew about?
It's possible. These type of… more things go through numerous rewrites while the storyboarding and even animation/filming is underway.
Glenn and Lilly still being there originally was likely changed to avoid continuity issues regarding how they'd end up where they should be in the comic/show. Not to mention that they'd be conspiciously up to chop.
Regardless, the end result is that the cabin group looks really, really stupid and you wonder how they even managed to survive as long as they did before all dying horribly.
Well, she did just get separated from her guardian by Scavengers, so it stands even further to reason that the average adult would just assume she's lost and in need of help--thus enabling the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.
Regardless, the end result is that the cabin group looks really, really stupid and you wonder how they even managed to survive as long as they did before all dying horribly.
Dude i know you always like to blame Kenny for as you say “hogging” the limelight but i do honestly feel the shit writers wouldn’t have handled Luke or any of S2’s characters any better had he he not appeared in the game. Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat returned and i felt they failed miserably doing so
the end result is that the cabin group looks really, really stupid
Is it?
they even managed to survive as long as they did
By keeping on the move, following their rules, and not taking in strangers.
Wait...
Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat returned and i felt they failed miserably doing so
On that note, i feel like part of that had to do with the fact that they were trying to keep this air of mystery around most of them and Carver to help build up hype/drama for what was to transpire and be revealed the third episode.
Obviously, that didn't exactly pan/work out.
Dude i know you always like to blame Kenny for as you say “hogging” the limelight but i do honestly feel the shit writers wouldn’t have hand… moreled Luke or any of S2’s characters any better had he he not appeared in the game. Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat returned and i felt they failed miserably doing so
They would've had to actively try, though.
Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat return… moreed and i felt they failed miserably doing so
On that note, i feel like part of that had to do with the fact that they were trying to keep this air of mystery around most of them and Carver to help build up hype/drama for what was to transpire and be revealed the third episode.
Obviously, that didn't exactly pan/work out.
Yeah, I feel you. Really wanted more opportunities to kick back with Sarah and Alvin.
Though it's funny how Alvin ended up simultaneously getting the least focus/emphasis of the Cabin Group and yet arguably the most closure and resonance.
Yeah, I feel you. Really wanted more opportunities to kick back with Sarah and Alvin.
Though it's funny how Alvin ended up simultaneously getting the least focus/emphasis of the Cabin Group and yet arguably the most closure and resonance.
yeah, but it lacked any weight when he died. Also what was up with him thinking the baby was going to be a girl?
I am convinced this was again down to the writers being clueless and changing their minds later. I think the writers planned for Rebecca to have a girl, in Episode 2 at the lodge when talking to Clementine she says “she’s kicking, do you want to listen Clem?”. So somewhere down the line i think they did one of their famous rewrites crap. So with Alvin thinking it was going to be a girl, it probably was originally
They SHOULD have actively tried regardless of Kenny returning. If they had made the episodes longer instead of fucking around focusing on other games at the same time, they would have been able to develop them better maybe including extra scenes of dialogue or gameplay.
To be honest even if they had made the episodes longer i don’t think for a minute these shitty writers would have told a good story or improved development anyway because the truth is, they aren’t Sean Vanaman or the other S1 writers.
They would've had to actively try, though.
Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat return… moreed and i felt they failed miserably doing so
On that note, i feel like part of that had to do with the fact that they were trying to keep this air of mystery around most of them and Carver to help build up hype/drama for what was to transpire and be revealed the third episode.
Obviously, that didn't exactly pan/work out.
yeah, but it lacked any weight when he died. Also what was up with him thinking the baby was going to be a girl?
I am convinced this… more was again down to the writers being clueless and changing their minds later. I think the writers planned for Rebecca to have a girl, in Episode 2 at the lodge when talking to Clementine she says “she’s kicking, do you want to listen Clem?”. So somewhere down the line i think they did one of their famous rewrites crap. So with Alvin thinking it was going to be a girl, it probably was originally
Exactly, thats what was so damn stupid! I am pretty certain the writers planned for AJ to be a girl but for some reason decided to change this after Episode 3. God knows why. It did make Alvin’s last words worthless yes
I mean, that's realistic technically. Not everyone in real life gets some nice final words.
But considering how cheesy season 2 could be at times I doubt that was their intention.
Exactly, thats what was so damn stupid! I am pretty certain the writers planned for AJ to be a girl but for some reason decided to change this after Episode 3. God knows why. It did make Alvin’s last words worthless yes
They SHOULD have actively tried regardless of Kenny returning. If they had made the episodes longer, they would have been able to develop them better maybe including extra scenes of dialogue or gameplay.
They would've had to actively try, though.
They SHOULD have actively tried regardless of Kenny returning. If they had made the episo… moredes longer instead of fucking around focusing on other games at the same time, they would have been able to develop them better maybe including extra scenes of dialogue or gameplay.
To be honest even if they had made the episodes longer i don’t think for a minute these shitty writers would have told a good story or improved development anyway because the truth is, they aren’t Sean Vanaman or the other S1 writers.
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Ain't that da wae?
It was the thread where the initial "Clementine's Clementine" theme of his character was stated.
Haha putting down Kenny as usual eh? ? i would trust Kenny more than shitty Luke or any of the cabin survivors!
Lol when is anyone ever safe?
Haha any normal person who had known someone for over 3 months (despite not seeing each other for a long time) that they knew could be trusted (Kenny), someone who had been friends with their son (Duck), would rather stay with said person (Kenny) than a bunch of dickheads who nearly kill her by leaving the infected dog bite to fester. I know i would have. He didn’t say anything like “your staying Clem whether you like it or not”, he assumes Clem wants to stay yes and why wouldn’t he? Also Clem can say she doesn’t want to anyway. Sorry i know this isn’t relavent but i wanted to say it anyway.
Kenny and Clem’s relationship in Season 1 was through Lee, we also see her closeness through Duck and Katjaa which is another reason why she would feel close to Kenny, the relationship through his family. I wish they had shown more interaction but Clem was Lee’s girl whilst Kenny had his own obviously, it doesn’t mean they had no relationship but everything in Season 2 was forced anyway and you know that.
Petty things as usual to criticise him for. A bit of a fright? It was a joke, im sure Clem didn’t hold that against him for gods sake. Telling her to get on the train angrily? Well his son was dying and every time someone mentioned his ill child, he got upset. He didn’t mean to be horrible to her.
Lol how my feelings have changed since then. Turns out there was no connection of a brotherly relationship with him and Clem. I had hoped for it and at the time i obviously didn’t mind Luke much not knowing how the game would obviously pan out
Yeah, he was one of the major elements Hijacked by Kenny and his Cool Big Sib relationship was aped onto the hastily wishywashy Jane.
I'm just saying it seems like a huge leap. Carver's going to trust a kid he just met to spy for him and not run off?
Interestingly enough, there's a promo image for season 1 that shows the characters sittin around a campfire.
No idea if this was intended to be a scene at one point or where it would have fit. But it's pretty crazy, since they're at the train, and doug (and mark?) is still alive, and lilly and glenn are still with them.
Pretty weird... just a misleading promo image, or were there some SERIOUS rewrites we never knew about?
Either way, I think it might win the award for most misleading.
Well, she did just get separated from her guardian by Scavengers, so it stands even further to reason that the average adult would just assume she's lost and in need of help--thus enabling the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.
It's possible. These type of things go through numerous rewrites while the storyboarding and even animation/filming is underway.
Glenn and Lilly still being there originally was likely changed to avoid continuity issues regarding how they'd end up where they should be in the comic/show. Not to mention that they'd be conspiciously up to chop.
I know, but it's interesting to think about. Maybe the timeline was different, and they spent less time in the motor inn.
Glenn still needs time to meet up with Rick as he appears in the walking dead comics.
Regardless, the end result is that the cabin group looks really, really stupid and you wonder how they even managed to survive as long as they did before all dying horribly.
Is it?
By keeping on the move, following their rules, and not taking in strangers.
Wait...
Dude i know you always like to blame Kenny for as you say “hogging” the limelight but i do honestly feel the shit writers wouldn’t have handled Luke or any of S2’s characters any better had he he not appeared in the game. Simply put, they had nearly 2 full episodes to develop the cabin crew before Mr Boat returned and i felt they failed miserably doing so
wait, I'm sorry, I meant it makes the cabin group AND carver look really stupid.
Dats fair.
They would've had to actively try, though.
On that note, i feel like part of that had to do with the fact that they were trying to keep this air of mystery around most of them and Carver to help build up hype/drama for what was to transpire and be revealed the third episode.
Obviously, that didn't exactly pan/work out.
I just wanted some comfy cabin hijinks. Was that too much to ask?
I'm looking at you, fishing scene.
Yeah, I feel you. Really wanted more opportunities to kick back with Sarah and Alvin.
Though it's funny how Alvin ended up simultaneously getting the least focus/emphasis of the Cabin Group and yet arguably the most closure and resonance.
yeah, but it lacked any weight when he died.
Also what was up with him thinking the baby was going to be a girl?
I said resonance when I probably meant relevance.
Him and Rebecca must've been arguing about which side the baby would ultimately take. Thus, he used his last words to side with Rebecca.
I am convinced this was again down to the writers being clueless and changing their minds later. I think the writers planned for Rebecca to have a girl, in Episode 2 at the lodge when talking to Clementine she says “she’s kicking, do you want to listen Clem?”. So somewhere down the line i think they did one of their famous rewrites crap. So with Alvin thinking it was going to be a girl, it probably was originally
They SHOULD have actively tried regardless of Kenny returning. If they had made the episodes longer instead of fucking around focusing on other games at the same time, they would have been able to develop them better maybe including extra scenes of dialogue or gameplay.
To be honest even if they had made the episodes longer i don’t think for a minute these shitty writers would have told a good story or improved development anyway because the truth is, they aren’t Sean Vanaman or the other S1 writers.
So his final words when he dies have no relevance in the story.... nice.
ghhhhhhh
Exactly, thats what was so damn stupid! I am pretty certain the writers planned for AJ to be a girl but for some reason decided to change this after Episode 3. God knows why. It did make Alvin’s last words worthless yes
I mean, that's realistic technically. Not everyone in real life gets some nice final words.
But considering how cheesy season 2 could be at times I doubt that was their intention.
Here here.