My one and only real concern is that Clem will die for AJ similarly to how Lee died for her. I do not want that. I'm fine with it being a determinate ending for the people who feel like that's how it should play out, but not THE ending. I've hated the very idea of AJ since he showed up and Clem got stuck with him. Her dying for or because of him will be a giant slap in the face to me. I want my Clementine to survive and have a decent life, even if she has to let AJ go to achieve it... especially if she has to let AJ go to achieve it lol.
We're talking about a teenager travelling alone in the zombie apocalypse.
Teenagers can get raped at any time right now. Put aside yo… moreur offended sensibilities, it could make for a good scene.
If by good, you mean uncomfortable, protracted, and with the potential for the momentum grinding to a halt for some unpleasant melodramatic 'pheelz,' then "K'yeh, Das Goo!"
I don't want to see Clem go hand-to-hand
I do. Not necessarily with a rapist, mind you, but it's time for her to put up and get knocked down.
I want to see her outrun and use her wits to beat someone.
Ah, so like every one-on-one encounter she's had ever?
I think its not the last walking dead season its just last season of Clem story and i think we got a hint, they add question mark next to the final season title, i know theres screenshot somewhere from PAX.
I don't believe you.
Wow, the grammar in that exchange is a bit unclear.
Post-apocalyptic survival should imply you have to p… moreut up with everything.
There are ways to get around having to do so.
Well assuming it's a dream and not literal ghosts, anytime really. Or they could do a quasi-dream-flashback, again.
Fair enough.
Back to the motor inn this time. (goddammit I know I always want to see more of the time spent there)
I'd prefer being on the road in Virginia, personally
I think its not the last walking dead season its just last season of Clem story and i think we got a hint, they add question mark next to the final season title, i know theres screenshot somewhere from PAX.
Huh. No idea what I walked into lol. Just came to drop this off since I've actually had some time to process everything.
It's worrisome that the way they described it makes it sound like we're going to be jumping ahead to Clementine living with these people and having relationships with them we're not familiar with. It'll be the same mistake they made with ANF, the same mistake the first two seasons avoided. One the people behind season 1 explicitly avoided, and explained why, when they decided against making Lee Clementines brother.
The character designs and descriptions are also a bit worrying, especially after ANF. The first two seasons were pretty dark, and felt like they were written for an older audience. The transition to ANF felt like they were moving away from that and into aiming at the younger Transformers crowd. We got an over the top game moving at a lightning fast pace, littered with set pieces and "badass" action QTEs. Then someone starts talking about reading a lot of young adult novels to prepare for the story that should be aimed at a mature audience. And we got that gem that, after all the flak they got for catering to a new audience instead of continuing to keep the story together, that they're telling Clementines story, but consider each story to be independent of the others.
Minimal time was spent on the supporting characters in ANF, Javier was a generic as they come, and nothing really changes for many of the characters. The ones who are acting different at the end leave you wondering why, because the change in personality was so sudden and nonsensical it felt forced. Javier himself just seems to exist. Lee started Season 1 as a man headed to prison for murder and ended it dying to save someone else. Clementine moved through Season 2 as a kid listening to other people making decisions for her to someone making them for herself, determinantly even risking her life attempting to save others. Javier started ANF as a man willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family and ends as a man willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family. I really hope they avoid repeating these mistakes, take their time developing the game, the characters, and not treat the game like it's not part if a larger series many fans have been following for years. Season 2 was able to call back on the previous game in a fluid way because it felt organic, they were writing a sequel. ANFs callbacks felt forced to many fans of the series because it was just dismissing it until episode 4, and could easily be written off as explaining a new character to a new player who wasn't aware it wasn't a new series.
One bright spot about what we've seen is, if the main cast is comprised solely of teens, maybe they'll be able to write them as characters instead of writing them as child characters relying on/trying to prove themselves to adults, like with Ben/Sarah/Gabe.
To be fair, ANF is nothing more than a spin-of from TWD. You can not take it very seriously in continuity like Clementine's Story, it even appears by mere accident, after many complaints from fanciful fans.
The characters of ANF, in general, have very shallow development, that in those that the Telltale bothered to give some development, like Javier and Kate. David? What character drug is this that is not defined at all? Does he suffer from Bipolar Humor? and what final shit is he where he decides to leave his beloved community because he is 'with the family'?
Only one thing can explain the disaster that was ANF: the constant rewrites and the creative interference of Telltale's high dome.
Huh. No idea what I walked into lol. Just came to drop this off since I've actually had some time to process everything.
It's worrisome t… morehat the way they described it makes it sound like we're going to be jumping ahead to Clementine living with these people and having relationships with them we're not familiar with. It'll be the same mistake they made with ANF, the same mistake the first two seasons avoided. One the people behind season 1 explicitly avoided, and explained why, when they decided against making Lee Clementines brother.
The character designs and descriptions are also a bit worrying, especially after ANF. The first two seasons were pretty dark, and felt like they were written for an older audience. The transition to ANF felt like they were moving away from that and into aiming at the younger Transformers crowd. We got an over the top game moving at a lightning fast pace, littered with set pieces and "badass" action QTEs. Th… [view original content]
I'm with you 100%, I wasn't trying to rail on ANF since I've done plenty of it, but it's hard not to do when going into details. I try to keep it as distant of a memory as possible, but from the PAX panel in the way they've described the story, characters, and their approach to the game itself, really reminds me of how they approached ANF, and that's got me worried. I'm wondering how much the rewrites and interference go hand in hand. Rewrites can go either way, but they're bad if it's because someone says "this doesn't feel like the walking dead, do this instead", and they're definitely bad if it's because the team doesn't have enough time to flesh it all out, so it's cut and they work around it. We've heard a lot about how much was left on the floor, and the rush to release episodes in a timely matter.
I know a lot of people disliked the long waits during the first two seasons, but I'd gladly wait if it returned the series to that level. So I'm really hoping going into this there's less emphasis on getting the game out in a certain timeframe, and more time to fully realize the story. A lot of what I heard gave the impression that substantial cuts were made because there wasn't enough time to create everything that was written. It was like KoTOR II all over again.
To be fair, ANF is nothing more than a spin-of from TWD. You can not take it very seriously in continuity like Clementine's Story, it even a… moreppears by mere accident, after many complaints from fanciful fans.
The characters of ANF, in general, have very shallow development, that in those that the Telltale bothered to give some development, like Javier and Kate. David? What character drug is this that is not defined at all? Does he suffer from Bipolar Humor? and what final shit is he where he decides to leave his beloved community because he is 'with the family'?
Only one thing can explain the disaster that was ANF: the constant rewrites and the creative interference of Telltale's high dome.
There are 2 things that end up ruining a Telltale game.
1. Toxic/Divided Writing: Seen in the later half of TWDG Season 2 and even worse in ANF...
2. Last Minute Rewrites: Don't understand why Telltale does this so frequently because all it does is lower the overall quality of their story and scraps interesting details
Just a reminder (for both sides of the issue!), let's please try to avoid passive aggressive posts that over exaggerate how people have singled out "toxic" tendencies, and likewise, let's also please avoid getting too heated when calling out other people for making non-constructive comments.
We may start to just delete comments that resort to snark (or getting too heated) instead of trying to bring in some constructive and civil discussion. Try to keep discussion pointed and focused instead of snarky, sarcastic, or heated.
That ANF!Clementine(and maybe Violet, for that matter) will just be an insufferably dull girl power character with little to no actual personal challenges, tough obstacles, and legitimate threats.
Also, that she won't catch a good beat down and maybe die.
Was that from the poll somebody did on here? It said that 73% of people would Definitely buy The Final Season, and if you included the unsure ones it would be like 88%.
I made it up on the fly. I was trying to take into account the fact that a fair number of us don't give much of a shit and/or outright don't like Clementine anymore, while still highlighting her "sensationalism" or whatever.
Was that from the poll somebody did on here? It said that 73% of people would Definitely buy The Final Season, and if you included the unsure ones it would be like 88%.
This just reminded me of another concern I have: That these forums are going to visciously tear into The Final Season as it releases and this place will once again become a toxic snark fest. I don't have a problem with the pessimism here as long as there's passion behind it but I really just want to focus on and discuss different character interpretations, story predictions and the reasoning behind everyone's choices. Scathing criticism towards the game is fine but the last thing I want is for an overwhelming majority of threads to be dedicated to such just like the ANF days (though admittedly I might be exaggerating I can't remember.) Hopefully the game's quality will be able to please most of the fanbase.
Just a reminder (for both sides of the issue!), let's please try to avoid passive aggressive posts that over exaggerate how people have sing… moreled out "toxic" tendencies, and likewise, let's also please avoid getting too heated when calling out other people for making non-constructive comments.
We may start to just delete comments that resort to snark (or getting too heated) instead of trying to bring in some constructive and civil discussion. Try to keep discussion pointed and focused instead of snarky, sarcastic, or heated.
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My one and only real concern is that Clem will die for AJ similarly to how Lee died for her. I do not want that. I'm fine with it being a determinate ending for the people who feel like that's how it should play out, but not THE ending. I've hated the very idea of AJ since he showed up and Clem got stuck with him. Her dying for or because of him will be a giant slap in the face to me. I want my Clementine to survive and have a decent life, even if she has to let AJ go to achieve it... especially if she has to let AJ go to achieve it lol.
Maybe if Clem dies in this season we get to play as AJ next season???
A huge part of TWD is feeling uncomfortable and unpleasant. It’s an apocalypse.
This is the last walking dead season
Nope. I won't buy it.
I think its not the last walking dead season its just last season of Clem story and i think we got a hint, they add question mark next to the final season title, i know theres screenshot somewhere from PAX.
And that's why this series keeps sucking worse.
That’s definitely not the reason. Also, the comics are arguably the best they have been in a long time.
If you say so.
I don't follow the comics, so I honestly can't have an opinion there.
No way. Explain.
you're making me irate, sir
Don't be a girl kur, mate.
We might get a spin off but it looks like TT are tired of Walking dead and so are putting it to rest
Imo if The Final Season is good i don't see why they should stop making Walking Dead games,not everything has to be about Clementine.
Tell that to 73% of the fanbase.
This is the last season in the clementine story. TWD will continue, there are still stories to be told. See Fear the walkind dead.
There will always be buyers. It's the same with COD: always the same but sells horrors.
Fans...
Huh. No idea what I walked into lol. Just came to drop this off since I've actually had some time to process everything.
It's worrisome that the way they described it makes it sound like we're going to be jumping ahead to Clementine living with these people and having relationships with them we're not familiar with. It'll be the same mistake they made with ANF, the same mistake the first two seasons avoided. One the people behind season 1 explicitly avoided, and explained why, when they decided against making Lee Clementines brother.
The character designs and descriptions are also a bit worrying, especially after ANF. The first two seasons were pretty dark, and felt like they were written for an older audience. The transition to ANF felt like they were moving away from that and into aiming at the younger Transformers crowd. We got an over the top game moving at a lightning fast pace, littered with set pieces and "badass" action QTEs. Then someone starts talking about reading a lot of young adult novels to prepare for the story that should be aimed at a mature audience. And we got that gem that, after all the flak they got for catering to a new audience instead of continuing to keep the story together, that they're telling Clementines story, but consider each story to be independent of the others.
Minimal time was spent on the supporting characters in ANF, Javier was a generic as they come, and nothing really changes for many of the characters. The ones who are acting different at the end leave you wondering why, because the change in personality was so sudden and nonsensical it felt forced. Javier himself just seems to exist. Lee started Season 1 as a man headed to prison for murder and ended it dying to save someone else. Clementine moved through Season 2 as a kid listening to other people making decisions for her to someone making them for herself, determinantly even risking her life attempting to save others. Javier started ANF as a man willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family and ends as a man willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family. I really hope they avoid repeating these mistakes, take their time developing the game, the characters, and not treat the game like it's not part if a larger series many fans have been following for years. Season 2 was able to call back on the previous game in a fluid way because it felt organic, they were writing a sequel. ANFs callbacks felt forced to many fans of the series because it was just dismissing it until episode 4, and could easily be written off as explaining a new character to a new player who wasn't aware it wasn't a new series.
One bright spot about what we've seen is, if the main cast is comprised solely of teens, maybe they'll be able to write them as characters instead of writing them as child characters relying on/trying to prove themselves to adults, like with Ben/Sarah/Gabe.
To be fair, ANF is nothing more than a spin-of from TWD. You can not take it very seriously in continuity like Clementine's Story, it even appears by mere accident, after many complaints from fanciful fans.
The characters of ANF, in general, have very shallow development, that in those that the Telltale bothered to give some development, like Javier and Kate. David? What character drug is this that is not defined at all? Does he suffer from Bipolar Humor? and what final shit is he where he decides to leave his beloved community because he is 'with the family'?
Only one thing can explain the disaster that was ANF: the constant rewrites and the creative interference of Telltale's high dome.
you such a way with words, that is to say with making them make no sense
A kur is a dog. Connect the dots on the joke, pal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur_(disambiguation)
whatever you say, buddy
You mean cur, with a C. Cur is the same thing as saying mutt.
I'm with you 100%, I wasn't trying to rail on ANF since I've done plenty of it, but it's hard not to do when going into details. I try to keep it as distant of a memory as possible, but from the PAX panel in the way they've described the story, characters, and their approach to the game itself, really reminds me of how they approached ANF, and that's got me worried. I'm wondering how much the rewrites and interference go hand in hand. Rewrites can go either way, but they're bad if it's because someone says "this doesn't feel like the walking dead, do this instead", and they're definitely bad if it's because the team doesn't have enough time to flesh it all out, so it's cut and they work around it. We've heard a lot about how much was left on the floor, and the rush to release episodes in a timely matter.
I know a lot of people disliked the long waits during the first two seasons, but I'd gladly wait if it returned the series to that level. So I'm really hoping going into this there's less emphasis on getting the game out in a certain timeframe, and more time to fully realize the story. A lot of what I heard gave the impression that substantial cuts were made because there wasn't enough time to create everything that was written. It was like KoTOR II all over again.
D''oh!
Where did you get that number?
There are 2 things that end up ruining a Telltale game.
1. Toxic/Divided Writing: Seen in the later half of TWDG Season 2 and even worse in ANF...
2. Last Minute Rewrites: Don't understand why Telltale does this so frequently because all it does is lower the overall quality of their story and scraps interesting details
Just a guess, really.
Just a reminder (for both sides of the issue!), let's please try to avoid passive aggressive posts that over exaggerate how people have singled out "toxic" tendencies, and likewise, let's also please avoid getting too heated when calling out other people for making non-constructive comments.
We may start to just delete comments that resort to snark (or getting too heated) instead of trying to bring in some constructive and civil discussion. Try to keep discussion pointed and focused instead of snarky, sarcastic, or heated.
That ANF!Clementine(and maybe Violet, for that matter) will just be an insufferably dull girl power character with little to no actual personal challenges, tough obstacles, and legitimate threats.
Also, that she won't catch a good beat down and maybe die.
Was that from the poll somebody did on here? It said that 73% of people would Definitely buy The Final Season, and if you included the unsure ones it would be like 88%.
I made it up on the fly. I was trying to take into account the fact that a fair number of us don't give much of a shit and/or outright don't like Clementine anymore, while still highlighting her "sensationalism" or whatever.
This just reminded me of another concern I have: That these forums are going to visciously tear into The Final Season as it releases and this place will once again become a toxic snark fest. I don't have a problem with the pessimism here as long as there's passion behind it but I really just want to focus on and discuss different character interpretations, story predictions and the reasoning behind everyone's choices. Scathing criticism towards the game is fine but the last thing I want is for an overwhelming majority of threads to be dedicated to such just like the ANF days (though admittedly I might be exaggerating I can't remember.) Hopefully the game's quality will be able to please most of the fanbase.