Marvel's Black Panther Film discussion (Contain spoilers please comment if you seen the movie)
I want to start this thread for this film. Marvel's Black Panther has got massive positive reviews. Black Panther has got his first live action movie, and everyone is loving it. If you seen this movie please comment and tell us what us you think. what did you think of the characters? The culture? the music?? Please give this discussion civil.
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I thought it was really good. Killmonger and Klaue were great, especially Killmonger who gets a lot of development. I loved everything to do with the culture of Wakanda, it was just visually stunning and how they go about doing things like their traditions was really interesting to watch. For the most part the fight scenes are well done, especially the casino scene. However, the CGI towards the end of the movie started getting iffy which was a problem. It's also the most serious movie since WInter Soldier which is great to see after three comedies in a row though there are still humorous scenes but they're sparse. I especially enjoyed the characters Nakia, Okoye, Shuri and M'Baku. Martin Freeman was enjoyable to watch as well. I really hope that Coogler continues to work with Marvel cause I think he did a great job with the movie.
Just came back from it. Easily one of the best Marvel movies I've seen in a while!
Shouldn't this be in the marvel cinematic discussion thread.
I honestly loved this film! It was hilarious, the characters were all likable and great, even the villains and supporting cast! Okoye was my favorite! She was very badass and I respected her loyalty to Wakanda and tradition, although I'm a little sad that her relationship with Ayo was cut out. Shuri was amazing as well! She's smarter than Tony Stark and more charismatic, I loved them all! Ryan Coogler did a fantastic job with Black Panther! It's in my top 3 Marvel films. The only thing I'm disappointed with is the lack of a build-up to Infinity War, I was hoping for something more with the end credits but I'm still very happy with what the film brought to the table! Wakanda Forever!
I liked the movie two but shuri is not smarter than or more charismatic than tony stark your reaching a bit with that one
From the looks of Wakanda's technology and the reception of her character, it seems like she is. Plus I haven't seen a single person call her a douche, whereas with Tony...
I enjoyed the film a lot! It wasn't one of my favourite MCU movies but I loved the Wakanda culture, the lead and the villain. I really liked Shuri too, I'll need to see it a couple of more times to know where it is on my list of favourite MCU movies though.
Loved it.
yeah but don't forget the decades of technology tony has created either, I mean tony created his own Ai. And who exactly are the people that think or told tony he was a douche and were excluding the actually people that know him because when it comes to being more charismatic pretty much every civilian in the Mcu from pretty much every country loves and worships tony while shuri possibly only has people in wakanda who love her which might be a smaller number than you think if you include the other tribes. So no just because Shuri was pretty much the only comic relief in the movie does not make her more charismatic than tony not even close, tony has been telling jokes way longer and much better than shuri was in the black panther film.
Yet, Tony's decades of technology still don't compete with Shuri's vibranium technology, it's just a fact really.
I wouldn't say pretty much everyone loves or worships Tony (especially not worship), he's got charisma but it's the way he speaks to some people and treats others specific ways depending on whether or not they agree with his ideology that makes him a douche. The number of people who like you doesn't determine how charismatic you are. Shuri isn't just a comic relief either and she doesn't have charisma just based off joking around, that's part of it and she's already funnier in that regard, but she also shows that she cares for people regardless of who they are so long as they aren't posing a threat to her family and she's evidently just a cheerful person who doesn't try to be an arse.
I loved the end credits scene.
Why are you acting like shuri is the one who created the vibranium? Last time I checked it
was a meteor that landed into africa that gave them this powerful material to use to make their technology while. Tony on the other hand has been making his tech from the ground up for years and no offense but it seems you dont no what charisma means its how you influence others and inspire devotion. I guarantee you their are more people on earth who love and know tony stark than shuri.And really its a little odd how you keep pointing out how you feel stark is a douche but shuri in the movie black panther was very arrogant as well as very disrespectful to her brother at times. Her king so yeah if your going to call stark out for being a douche. At least call shuri out for being a bitch at times and her jokes were incredibly cliche as well as pure cringe at times.
I'm not acting like she created it, she created the inventions from vibranium, I said Shuri's vibranium technology.
Again, Charisma is not defined by how many people adore you. Shuri is charming, she's an inspiration already to many who've watched the film and she's evidently inspired devotion in others if the entirety of Wakanda trust her enough to let hear head the technology division in Wakanda and now the outreach program.
Arrogant and disrespectful? To some of the traditions such as the challenge for the throne, yes, but when it comes to T'Challa? They're siblings, believe it or not but that is how siblings often treat one another. The jokes may have made you cringe, but my theater adored her and I've seen more people call Shuri the highlight of the movie than not. The reason why Tony is a douche is because of his attitude towards those who oppose his ideologies, plus at least Shuri didn't create a sentient robot that nearly destroyed the world.
You know i can literally post the definition of charisma for you but im not gong to bother since you obviously don't care. And if you want to go with people in real life there are way more people who love tony stark/iron man more than shuri stop trying act like this isnt true. Tony is way more popular than shuri that's not something you can argue he has been around way longer . Again with the vibranium if tony had access to vibranium like shuri the tech he could create would be way better than anything shuri has made so that argument falls flat. Next you calling tony stark a douche is like saying shuri is a bitch you cant give shuri a pass but not tony I've watched all the marvel movies and its just in tony's character to be like that. He treats everyone that way regardless if you agree with him or not, its him being sarcastic and witty he also has charm as well . Good for you and your theater for loving her so much for me she was one of the more negative aspects of the film and there are others who feel that way.Also you saying that tony was able to create a sentient robot which believe it or not was actually scarlet witch's fault in age of ultron.Literally proves my point about tony being smarter than shuri, lets see shuri create her own Ai i'll wait.
Ya'll need to chill.
She is a tad arrogant and disrespectful to Everett Ross when she first meets him.
your right we do need to to chill it just kinda bothers me how prink is essentially saying shuri is a better character than tony stark\iron man who we have known for years and this is literally shuri's first appearance in the mcu it just doesn't make sense.
Ehh. Opinions. That's why.
yeah but it wasn't stated as a opinion.
Alright, you have your opinions and I have mine. I will not continue to argue, mostly since you only continue to say the same exact things despite my rebuttals.
Have a good day!
your posts and your rebuttals were not making any sense but I mean hey it saves me any further irritation of having to respond to you so good day.
I'm sorry to say it but this movie was way to overhyped and generally overrated in my opinion.
This movie has one of the most predictable storylines I have ever seen in a movie. Predictibility (is that a word?) is not necessarily bad, but it just wasn't well executed for me.
Andy Sekis (Happy to see him for real and not like Gollum or Snoke) was the best part of this movie to be honest, and he was offed way to early for my liking. That part where Killmonger kills Serkis was the only plottwist I didn't really see coming.
Killmonger was okay, a villain I will have forgotten in a week. The rest of the main cast did their job efficient enough. That guy playing the king of.. Jagari(?) was good, one of the highlights of the movie.
Wakanda was beautiful to see, and I liked their culture.
The CGI was good for the most part, but like lupinb0y said, it got a bit iffy. That's not good for a movie from Marvel.
Deaths all around was pretty cheap in this movie. Zuri, Klaue just all felt cheap for me. They built up for Agent Ross death, but that was just a cop-out. And correct me if I am wrong, but do you even learn if Ross survives if you don't look at the after-credits?
Most fight scenes was watchable, but some you could barely see what was going the fuck on.
Also, what happened to W'Kabi after he surrendered? Was he punished for what he did? Or just pardoned?
One thing I did like was that it was more serious than usual. The comedy was well placed, I give them that.
Overall, it's like a 6-7 for me. Really disappointing for me.
6.7/10
I haven't even seen Thor: Ragnarok yet
I'm way behind
Uh, dude,
A) Tony didn’t create Ultron on his own, it was a cooperative effort with him and Bruce banner
C) A producer from Black Panther already stated that she’s smarter than Tony.
D)The fact that she’s the head of developing wakandan tech already would put her above tony in regards to intelligence imo. It’s the most advanced nation in the entire MCU earth.
Although still, tony is definitely better when it comes to tactics and combat for now. But in regards to raw intelligence, it goes to Shuri
Okay first off thanks for reminding me about bruce helping tony create ultron its been a while since i've watched the movie. I've never watched a episode of agents of shield so din't know it was a common thing so i'll take your word for it.Now you saying that some producer whose name you din't even bother posting for black panther says that shuri is smarter really holds no wait for me. While if someone like kevin feige were to say something like that I would take that into consideration simply do to the fact that feige is second in command to Avi arad who is the ceo of the Mcu. third "the most advanced nation in the entire MCU earth" and that's because they have access to the best material on earth, vibranium that doesn't make shuri smarter it makes her lucky to have access to that material . Can you imagine how powerful tony would be if he had access to vibranium he would be able to do way more than shuri could ever do.Im not going to bother responding to the other points in your post because i've already put a rebuttal in previous posts to the arguments your using.
I personally don't think it was over-hyped or overrated. Being the first big budget blockbuster superhero film with an almost entirely black cast is a pretty big deal, and it show as the film has made over $500 million dollars already! Plus, despite the CGI, the film actually improves on the usual Marvel tropes, especially in regards to the antagonist as he showed depth in his ideologies, a tragic character overall. It's an important film when it comes to diversity and representation and the impact is already showing.
I never really got the impression that Agent Ross died? Marvel always shows us if a character is killed or not, as for W'Kabi, he's likely imprisoned since he hadn't been killed but I do agree that context in regard to his character should've been added.
I mean, sure it's nice to see a movie with mostly black people. But that isn't really what I care about. I don't treat it any differently than any other movie because of it. But sure, it's a landmark.
And while I agree that Killmonger showed depth I don't think he was interesting enough.
To agent Ross, thing is that we just had no way of knowing. He started to run out of the room when the window exploded, we really just wouldn't know. I respect that you liked the movie though, and I am really glad that you enjoyed it more than me.
A) you’re welcome
C) The producer’s name is Nate Moore. The guy stated definitively that Shuri is smarter than tony stark and they found it to be an interesting idea because of how young she is. That’s practically a word of god confirming that, for now, she’s the smartest. Again, a person who worked on the movie, stated that they intended for Shuri to be the smartest person in not just wakanda, but the world, specifically saying she’s smarter than tony stark.
D) And with access to that material she’s made far more advanced technology than tony has at a significantly younger age. You can “imagine” how tony would be “if” he worked with vibranium, but fact is, that’s only hypothetical. I can imagine how Cap would be if he took gamma radiation. I can imagine how Tony would be if he took the super soldier serum, but that’s all it is, “imagination”. Shuri being the head of wakanda’s tech design and being responsible for most of its tech. Seriously, just look at the comparison between the tech of black panther’s new suit and all of tony’s Mark series. T’challa is able to put the suit on only by using the necklace while tony still needs his suit to fly to him/put himself into the suit. The closest Tony has gotten to that was between the small wrist armor he used against Bucky when the latter tried to shoot tony in the head, and iron man 3 when he was able to mentally control the Mark XLII armour to save the president
Additionally, I don’t know where you got the whole “Avi Arad is the ceo” stuff from. He stopped being the ceo back in 2006. Now, Feige simply goes straight to Alan Horn.
Although it does look like his new suit in infinity war will be impressive, so we’ll see how it’s advanced then
Yep you were right hell I did some digging and supposedly even kevin feige confirmed that shuri was smarter so i guess ill concede, But hey tony is still a way better character.
Ive seen the black panther for the second time in cinema. I love it more the second time through. Things that stand out. I really love Michael B Jorden/ Killmonger and felt sorry for him more this time around - not that I didn't find his character good the first time I understood it more. After the first time I saw this film I saw the film i research history for black people history in the USA and man that was grim. I did new some information, but I didn't know enough, but after I research I understood and this time that I saw this film i cried after his death..
Chadwick/The black panther I find much more relaxed and personae in this film then in civil war. Don't get me wrong he was great in civil war however I felt that he was more uptight and reserved and come aroused to be as strict. However in this movie he was more down to earth. His character was humanise this time around. I love his relationships with his family and body guards.
As for the music I love the African drums the first time but this time love that Killmonger's theme was a mixed bag of African drums and hip hop/rap because he grow up on the street.
-I just want to say thank you to everyone who comment saying what they liked and dislike about this film. Thank you for keeping it civil and understanding. This film to me is amazing that this time around the black people get their own superhero in a live action film after years of only getting a comicbook white superhero (not being raceist but sadly thats the case) and I hope that years to come that the gurenra get boarder and explain more and more in different cultures. I was worried that creating this thread would piss off some people, however that didn't seem to be the case.
You are missing out. Best superhero buddy comedy I've seen.
The director Taika Watiti did an outstanding job, and I'm super excited for whatever he throws out next. I'm sure this movie gave him the success he needs.
P.S.: If you'd like to know more, check out his film "What We Do In the Shadows". It's a vampire mockumentary, really quite good.
I loved Black Panther. Michael B. Jordan was amazing as Killmonger, it was so refreshing to see a villain with a good backstory and some actual motivation rather than just being an obstacle for the protagonist. Very emotional character - you knew he's a villain but you couldn't help but root for him at times, and the fact that he stood by his ideals up until the very end solidified him as one of the best MCU villains.
Andy Serkis was really good as Klaw, he brought a lot of funny moments with his performance, really enjoyed him. Shame he was snubbed so quickly, would have loved to see more of him. The women warriors of Dora Milaje were really good too, especially Danai Gurira as Okoye. I liked that they didn't organize some sort of coup to overthrow Killmonger, because they were obliged to serve the king, whoever he may be. Shuri was really funny, likeable character, just like the rest of the cast.
And the soundtrack! Oh man! I got some serious Lion King vibes at times, and I really enjoyed the authentic African music mixed into the soundtrack. That moment when Wakanda is shown for the first time and the music kicks in - epic!
Best Marvel movie in years.
I loved it. The soundtrack, the costumes, the sets, the acting, the writing, were all great. Though Klaw was buckets of fun, he didn't have any depth, so I didn't mind his death. Plus, I thought it gave Killmonger a lot more emphasis as a villain. If I have any complaints, it's that we didn't see much of the city. Most of the scenes were on the interior, and there were only a handful set on the streets.
I've gotten recommend the 2016- run of Black Panther, which I've been reading recently. Its written by Ta-Nehisi Coates, and his writing is phenomenal. I'm hoping they draw from it when they make a sequel to the movie.
THanks for your comment
I saw it a couple of days ago and I think its a really good movie. I love the concept about Wakanda because to the outside world Wakanda looks like a poor country but to the Wakandians (I'm not sure if you would call them that) there is a whole hidden high tech city there. There aren't many action scenes but when the action scenes do appear They are Awesome.
The characters were great, my favorite was Shuri because she is a tech nerd and makes fun of her brother at some points like with the kinetic energy scene. The villain was amazing because at some parts you felt bad for him and at some parts you felt like Black Panther needed to come and beat him up, I think Michael B Jordon did an awesome job at playing Killmonger.
As far as references go to previous Marvel movies I didn't really notice any at all and if they were in there well, I'm sorry but I must have missed them. However I did recognize Everett K. Ross who was also in Civil War along with Klaw who was in Avengers Age of Ultron.
Overall I thought it was a great movie and I highly recommend you check it out if you are a Marvel or just a Super Hero fan in general.