Follow the little leader.
Who here ditto thinks it's possible that Clementine could be the official leader of these band of little rascals? Something that could kind of fit this mold much better this round.. than what was sort of implied within season two.... The leader of the kids is a kid!? How bout that? This could be the first role Clementine has yet to take on before concluding her journey.. the likes of which has never been explored before for season four. Like if you agree..or.. explain if you disagree with this theory below.
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She Is taking Lee's Place this time around, so Yea.
I doubt it. I'm thinking with this group it'll mainly be a sense of working together and going with the flow rather than having someone call the shots.
Could be. But didn't they say Clem was more "experienced" in survival than the rest of them? I'm not sure but I'm just saying it might be a possibility for a unique perspective. Every other group she was in she was sort of just helping and not leading.
If these kids survived as long as they did, they'll probably be just as experienced, and in some cases more experienced than Clementine. No Gabes, Ducks, or Bens in this group.
Lee was the leader in s1....if the key art to tfs indicates anything clem for her story's sake must become a leader this time.
Exactly.
No, not really. Lilly was the Leader until the Motel Raid made things go to shit, then Kenny dictated what they would do for the majority of the next episode and a half. It was only when Clementine ran off with the Stranger that he really led the group and that's because it was personal.
He was the Pete/Carlos of the group, really. Lending a reliable helping hand, giving advise, and making semi-important suggestions of his own, but not the official leader.
It would be nice if we could call the shots this time around, instead of just agreeing with one person over another.
Eeeh, keep playing ANF.
lol, no u
Finally beat it a month or two ago, bILL. I already did.
Kenny and lily didn't do anything for the group Lee saved their asses many times..true they worked as a group but you can tell Lee was the n1.
Okay, Kenny maybe, but Lily didn't keep everyone organized, take up watch duties, possibly train Ben, assign watch duties, and hand out rations outside of that one day?
If Clem were to become a leader of sorts, she would most likely be in a power struggle between herself and whoever was the leader before Clem showed up. Kinda like Lily vs Kenny in S1 (which I think would be pretty interesting). Also, Clem isn’t just gonna pop into the group and become the leader, it would definitely take time.
Well I'd imagine if they are keeping their seasonal tradition of time-skipping every season then they'd do that for S4 and in between that time Clementine could promote to Queen of the rascals.
I hope it doesn't just boil down to that or heaven forbid, "Clementine is the only worthy leader" stuff. Let's get some original personalities going and getting the spotlight here again, please!
I’d rather have Clem meet the new survivors in ep1 and go through the whole “trust cycle”. However, I would be ok with a time skip between episodes, kinda like the three month time skip between S1’s ep1 and 2.
Agreed.
There was never a real point where Lee was in charge. Someone else always called the shots, whether it be Lilly or Kenny. Lee never really dictated the group as a whole until episode 5.
I would like Clementine to take up a position of leadership.
Yes, that one part where he gave commands for what each person ought to do, to defend against the siege on the mansion made him out to be the official leader by that point.
So you give orders once and that makes you the official leader?
There was also the expedition to Crawford..I feel things would of went a lot worse without Lee.. then Vernon also claimed that those people in their group looked to Lee as their leader. Little hints like these all pointed towards Lee as Leeder. LoL Also I've never known a leader to NOT give orders at least once.. a trait that is commonly found in leaders.
I'm almost willing to bet that Clementine might at the minimum work herself up to becoming leader by the time we are halfway through season 4 if she doesn't become leader by the end of the first episode. Otherwise the final season might become a basic repeat of season two with much younger counterparts of the cabin group. This is the only part of Clementine's potential that was never touched on yet.
Sure but you can say that about half the characters involved. Molly, Vernon, Kenny. I just never really saw Lee as the one in charge.
Yes they were helping alot I feel because they were mentally competent as Lee to do so. The leader cannot think of everything himself and during the Crawford mission was the point in which I think Lee was "just emerging" shall I say as the next leader. Because Kenny was loosing it more and more until he finally snaps over Ben and his dumb actions. Lee tells everyone to head upstairs when he shoots the zombies with a shotgun on the stairwell.Tells folks the plan in the beginning and not to fuck it up etc..
A leader also isn't just intelligent but dependable and trustworthy. Kenny mostly had his heart on the right track but wasn't dependable on not loosing his mind. Molly was smart but not trustworthy enough to do something selfish like take the battery hostage to go looking for her sister's belongings. Vernon I guess was ultimately self explanatory and also too old to really help with the heavy protection of the group and besides he was already mostly the leader of his own sewage group which rules him out from the get go.
Eeegh, I wouldn't say the only part, but that's not really here now.
Well, Vernon and Kenny were essentially leaders at points.
Not sure about Molly, though, since she was more of a guest star tagalong.
What are the other parts? It is possibly many facets of Clem's character that has yet to be explored which is why I feel ending it all at S4 is too early. Like Clem becoming one of the antagonists as one which was pitched for Kenny in the past.. but then ultimately rejected as an idea.
I was referring to things would've gone worse without Lee.
I meant in general, given that the whole "Sweet Little Girl in a Harsh Zombie Filled, Post-Apocalyptic World" thing was such a stark and unique concept that the point and click, dialogue driven gameplay really could've fleshed out and built upon in a various ways.
The later Seasons/Installments offered a number of good ideas and directions for continuing that story, but unfortunately things have progressed and diverted so far away from that due to the conflicting/inconsistent storytelling and ironically by inherent virtue of what it is.
Okay, see that's me reading your comment, but not the post you were replying to.
Lilly probably did all that true...I think that was her problem...after what happened to Larry(No matter what side you took) Someone should have stepped up and helped her...I mean how could everyone have been blind to the fact she was having a breakdown? I think Lee did....but maybe the group was happy that someone was doing the decision making and getting the hate when food rations were low.
Honestly I do feel bad for Lilly...what crime can be as bad as losing yourself to grief when you are supposed to be leading?
Very much so.
It probably doesn't help that Lee determinately helped kill Larry, which means he would've been considered untrustworthy as well.
Also, holy shit, I just realized--if Kenny had been "Carver" as planned, he really would've been in her shoes.
Yeah this is why I wish they never did rewrites and went with their first minds.