Season 2: All Inconsistencies & Plotholes
I made a post about all the "plotholes" I found within Season 1 of the game and it was nitpicky. This one will be too, so be warned. Again, graphical errors and minor dialogue errors will be unnoted because there are a lot and I guess I'm not THAT nitpicky. I'm going to go in chronological order (for the most part) of each episode.
Season 2 was definitely a good game, but was a tier below its predecessor and certainly had a lot more...major issues.
Episode 1:
Why didn't Omid bring the rifle with him after hearing a noise in the bathroom Clem was in? Omid clearly knew something was up before entering the bathroom because he opens the door so slowly, so why doesn't he grab the rifle first so he could just shoot Michele instead of getting himself killed?
Who are these people spreading the word about Wellington? How did Christa and Clem find out and most others we come across? Kenny in one of the later episodes even mentions "everyone is talking about it [Wellington]" as though every survivor has a Facebook account and is talking about it to one another. Isn't this supposed to be the apocalypse? How the fuck do rumors get around? On top of this, how the fuck does Carver's group not know about Wellington? Carver must have come across a fuckton of people considering he had a huge "community" and they consistently scouted for survivors/new prisoners.
How does that drenched log sitting right by the fire (that Christa somehow didn't notice) help the fire last? Sure, maybe the outer part facing the fire might be more dry, but the rest of the log certainly isn't.
An 11 year-old girl out strengths a grown man multiple times? I don't think so.
How the hell does Clementine go from being in the middle of a river to being unconscious on the beach downstream hours later? Did she just pass out in the water? If so, how did she not drown and how doesn't she have hypothermia? It's cold and that water has got to be cold. If she was in it for hours...there is no way she doesn't have hypothermia.
Then of course there is the dog bite controversy. This is infamous and I remember seeing a good post on the subreddit explaining why someone may mistake a dog bite for a walker bite but I can't find it. This one has been beaten to death so I won't go into detail.
Why even put Clementine in the shed? I understand the group had a major issue with a bite victim before but now they know to be cautious...so how about putting her in the corner of the dining room/living room and let her sit there. Then people take shifts watching her. That way she isn't alone in a shed with a hole and a bunch of tools she could use to get out. Turning into a walker isn't like 28 Days Later. The person dies slowly then comes back. It would be pretty obvious when Clem would start to turn.
There is no way in hell Nick does not see Clem everytime she peeks in the kitchen for a bit too long. And yet he doesn't say shit. So you're telling me one of the two people (the other one being Rebecca) that argued for basically killing Clementine moments ago is now not telling the group that Clem left the shed and is definitely eavesdropping right now?
How does the group hear Clementine fighting the walker in the shed but not her screaming at the top of her lungs while stitching herself?
On top of that, why does the group let Clementine back into the house after she kills the walker and act like she is all of a sudden telling the truth? "Oh, this little girl stole our supplies and 30 minutes ago we were pretty sure her bite could have been of a walker, but since she killed this walker and stitched herself up I guess she is telling the truth. Time to feed her and treat her wound even though its literally been less than an hour since we found her and we initially decided to wait till morning...you know...several hours away."
Why aren't there any fish traps at the river? I remember reading a cut content thread and someone stated that there was initially supposed to be a fishing scene at the end of the episode. Here, there would be fish traps and some sort of mini game but it was cut. But why did they remove the fish traps if they still were going to the river to catch fish?
Why can't Pete and Nick just go to Clem when walkers start coming by the river? We clearly saw how easy it was to cross the shallow river when Pete initially does so and I imagine walkers would be slowed down by it because they are so weak. Hell, they might even fall over. I guess you could make the argument that Pete was not in the position to cross, but Nick certainly was. I just find it interesting how Nick goes like "You could have saved him." if you go to Nick's side but Nick was like ten feet away and also probably could have saved Pete if he was so concerned.
Episode 2:
Why is Carver investigating the cabin alone? After the group comes back Carlos says that they HAVE to go because Carver will "be back and bring a group" but why was Carver even alone when searching the cabin in the first place? I personally think it is more plausible that his group was hiding in the woods surrounding the area in case anything went down, but then this makes me wonder why the group doesn't just take Sarah and Clem hostage and then hide out in the cabin waiting for the rest of Clem's group to return. After finding Sarah's picture (determinant) and Carlos's shirt Carver absolutely knows he found the right place. So just get the group hiding in the woods and stay in the cabin. And if Carver is actually checking cabins alone...then what the fuck is he thinking? If the group even sees the guy approaching alone they would probably shoot the dude in the head.
How in the fuck does Carver track where the group went? I mean...I understand this is nitpicky but just no. I understand his motivation but 5 full fucking days go by and there are so many places the group could have gone. Sure, footprints are there since it just rained but in game they aren't there and it's just so implausible to me.
"Hello, my name's Luke and I just told Clementine to climb up this tower to see if anyone is following us....oh no Clementine saw multiple lights right by the bridge we just came from 15 minutes ago! Better not be in any rush whatsoever to haul ass out of this fucking place that literally has Christmas lights visible from the outside!" Oh yeah, and it's not like Walter and Kenny were in the dark about this either. They just mention how they all can "leave in the morning" as though the group chasing them ISN'T RIGHT BY THE BRIDGE AND CLEARLY WON'T ENCOUNTER THE GROUP IN THE SKI LODGE WITH ELECTRICITY OR MATTHEW OR WHO IS OUT, RIGHT?
"Hello, my name's Walter and I just found out that the group we brought in is being tracked and the hunters have been seen recently. Oh no! There is a woman peering into our cabin and saying that she and her family is hungry and lives "just right by". Time to give her some supplies without consulting anyone else in the cabin and let her be on her way!"
Is Alvin actually unaware of Rebecca's little affair with Carver? I think there are so many holes with this subplot because initially Carver's camp is supposed to be a lot more rapey and dark. So maybe they initially had Rebecca as a rape victim but kind of switched it up when writing episode 2/3 to it just being a consensual affair. Rebecca mentions to Clem in Episode 2 that "Alvin would kill her if he ever found out"...but Luke definitely knows about it as evidenced when he tells Clem how their situation is "complicated". Tavia also knows, evidenced by her saying "I think I know why" when Carver is giving his little speech about why they went searching for Luke's group after they escaped. It's ridiculous that Alvin wouldn't have found out at this point.
Why in the fucking world did the group leave it up to Clementine to stop the wind turbine? This is a running theme in the season where the 11-year-old girl is tasked with things that no reasonable person would ever allow a girl of her age to do. But, you have like 6 other people there who could fucking figure it out. And they are adults.
"Darn there are walkers coming towards us cause that damn wind turbine was making a lot of noise. We don't have a lot of ammo and we need to make it back to the lodge. Right now there is a clear path for all of us to run into the lodge, but how about we draw our weapons and randomly shoot at the walkers!"
"Oh hey, there are 4 people over there with 3 assault rifles killing walkers for us and clearly they are from Carver's camp. How many people do we have again who can use a weapon and can see Carver's group? Carlos, Nick (determinant), Walter, Clementine, Sarita, Alvin...yeah time to not shoot at them at all. Especially since Carver doesn't have a gun drawn!"
Why doesn't Clem just shoot at Carver from her vantage point on the second floor? She still has her gun. Just fucking shoot him in the head. It may be risky, but there are only three people left after that and Carlos could grab Carver's gun off his dead body. Even better, why can't Clem kill Carver while Alvin puts that dude standing clueless by the window in a chokehold? Alvin is HUGE and he could get the assault rifle. So Clem kills Carver, Alvin would be able to kill the dude by the window, Carlos could grab Carver's gun, and now there is a 3 v 2 situation (not counting Kenny) and only Clem's group fully knows the situation. Hmm...
Why does Luke run off? This is never explained...at all. And it makes him a pretty shitty fucking person for doing so. He even had a weapon. Like what the fuck. Kenny and him were in the same place and it's not like he rolled down the hill all the way back to the bridge from the time Kenny told him to fuck off and the time Carver took everyone hostage.
Episode 3:
Why is Carver allowing two people who tried to escape with Clem's group prior be the main people watching after the group........After Troy, Reggie and Bonnie are the two most responsible for keeping Clem's group "in line" and they both are clearly still disloyal to Carver. Carver is portrayed as a having a "I watch Rick and Morty" IQ level, so how the fuck does he not see this as a security issue?
You're telling me that Carver did not have a guard who was ALWAYS at the prisoner gate, watching and listening to the prisoners who previously escaped? Please.
Luke apparently completed the first sub-2 hour marathon when going from the ski lodge to Howe's because there is no other way he possibly could have "followed" the van all the way back to Carver's in less than a day given how long it appears the drive was. Clem and Sarah both take a bathroom break so I'm guessing it was at least an hour and that is supported even more by the fact that the group walked five days into the mountains before Carver found them.
When Clementine and Luke are speaking in the comic store the guards somehow miss the fact that the door is open and that there is talking from in there.
"Hello mah name is Troy and I make creepeh jokes to young gurls. Also, whenever I notice that there is a prisoner coming out from a restricted area, I make no effort to investimagate that area. I mean cmon? They're jus readin some comics!"
Why in the fucking world does the group lighten up so quickly to Bonnie again? At any point in time, she could have turned on Carver and the rest of the group or she could have gave misleading information to Carver when scouting ahead. But no, she fully cooperated, and remained complacent after Carver blatantly murdered Walter. Hell, she could have even fallen a bit behind when they approached the cabin and could have just shot the other three in the back of the heads. But nah, the only one who says "sorry" is Luke in Episode 5 when he sleeps with Jane. No. Bonnie should be saying sorry ten fucking trillion times over.
Also, how the fuck is Bonnie still being manipulated by Carver? She makes all these excuses for Carver's behavior...but at the same time was "woke" enough to help the group escape the first time...makes no sense.
Let's not even talk about the blind ass guards when Clem snatches the radio for Luke and the group or when she initially turns on the outside speakers.
How the fuck does Carver manage to get Nick (determinant), Luke, Kenny, Sarita, Mike, Jane, Carlos, and Bonnie to drop all their weapons when he is one person with an AR. Bonnie has a gun and it appears that a gun was in front of Kenny implying he dropped it. No fucking sense.
After Carlos gets killed and Sarah runs off, all of a sudden the walkers know that Clem is not actually a walker like them. I mean there is noise going on around her but she still smells like shit so...
Episode 4:
Why are the walkers walking right by Kenny who is literally yelling but at the end of episode 3 walkers started to attack Clem even though she wasn't making a sound?
After being recognized by the Predator race for running the first sub-2 hour marathon, Luke was awarded with heat vision and is able to see where Sarah ran to even though it has been 4 minutes since she started running away. I guess it doesn't matter though because the speeds at which Luke can run eclipse even the Flash himself.
Considering the fact how literally everyone alive (except Jane) just ran through the horde of walkers and made it out OK (including Clem before coming across Rebecca), I don't see why Clem and Rebecca have to "look for an opening" all of a sudden like the walkers can detect you running by them while smelling like dooky.
I guess there was a torrential downpoar while Rebecca, Jane, and Clem were walking, as suddenly none of them have walker goo all over them. At least, not enough walker goo to stop Luke from planting his supersperm in Jane later in the episode.
When talking to Jane and Clem in the woods Rebecca gets all bent out of shape about "the herd still following us"...sorry what? You've been walking for several hours and they were never following you?
In Episode 3 it was mentioned that Carlos and Luke know where Parker's Run is. But Rebecca doesn't know the way there and Clem and Jane certainly don't, so how the fuck does the group make it to Parker's Run?
How does the walker that is laying on the horn somehow fall off of the horn (or just disappear really)? And more importantly, why doesn't Jane and Clem just go back and put him or another back on it...so that they don't have to kick the door down into the trailer and so the walkers are distracted by the time they get to the trailer?
Clementine kicks the door in but somehow the door still shuts properly so the zombies can't just open it by putting weight on it.
When Luke says he tried to carry Sarah, he mentions his wounds as the reason why he couldn't. So why the fuck can't Jane, Clem, and Luke carry her together? It seems like she wasn't resisting Luke trying...hell, I'd argue that Jane may be able to do it herself.
Why was Arvo stashing stuff in that trash can? This is never explained. More importantly, what in the fuck is Arvo doing alone DAYS away from the house that his group is allegedly staying in? Like what? Arvo is literally walking around with a limp but is days away from his house to...stash supplies? I'm guessing he was hiding shit from the rest of his group so his sister could use it? But why so far away?
With the speed of Flash and heat vision, Luke does a really disappointing job of keeping the perimeter safe as he fails to notice a dude with a limp crossing the perimeter TWICE.
"Hello, my name is Jane and I am superior to everyone else. They are sooo stupid. Like, who would kill a guy who they just robbed of medicine who clearly has a physical issue and could not have made it this far without a group? And who would watch him as he walked away to make sure he doesn't encounter the rest of the group? Please, the group alway brings me down. You know what else is stupid? Checking the trash can for supplies that the guy I just robbed dumped some stuff in."
The walker scene at Parker's run where Bonnie/Clem get in trouble makes no sense. They were all talking in there and Mike is rummaging through stuff right above where it is sitting. But it doesn't move or make a sound. But all of a sudden when Bonnie, Clem goes through, the walker grabs them. Just no. Walkers don't fuckin hide in the shadows waiting for you, they are dumbasses and get alerted by sound/scent. How the fuck does this walker not make a peep until you try to get in the locked off area.
When they spot the raccoon, why the fuck are they trying to catch it? Rabies anybody? Living in a zombie apocalypse with limited medicine...anybody? And once they do catch it, what are they gonna do? Cause when Mike goes to shoot it Bonnie stops him cause "there are walkers out there". But how would they kill it otherwise? A raccoon isn't exactly the easiest fuckin thing to catch and then strangle.
Oh hey look a heard of walkers just randomly approaching the group even though there hasn't been a gunshot and the group hasn't made any noise. And somehow they know to follow you into the observation deck even though you still aren't making much noise. But they only know how to go up wooden and outdoor stairs, not regular indoor stairs that are directly next to the outdoor stairs.
So there are 6 people standing on the observation deck portion that is supported by the cables along with a cannon filled with concrete. Considering the fact that Luke and Clem can push it, I'd say that it probably weighs less than a car...so probably around 1500 pounds? If Sarah weighs 120, Clem 60, Mike 170, Luke 150, Bonnie 135, and Jane 130 then that is 765 pounds. So 2265 pounds in total. So what should happen when 2/3 of the weight falls and is no longer having to be supported by the cables. Well the cables should fail of course and fail under pressure of the weight on the deck even though it is only 1/3 of what it just was!
"Man, Rebecca lost a shitton of blood while giving birth. Time to lay in that exact same area she gave birth to take a quick nap!" - Mike
The scene where the group gets ambushed is unbelievably unfathomable. First, Arvo's group somehow knew the exact day that the group would be walking along there, even though there was a choice to leave on different days. Secondly, the group has to stop in the PERFECT spot for the other Russians to come out. Third, the Russians would have somehow had to coordinate with Arvo for when the perfect time was for him to confront the group, even though he was far away. Fourth, why would they even travel DAYS to find this group again and get their supplies when they know the group already doesn't have much (since they were so desperate to rob Arvo). Fifth, how does Luke's predator senses not tingle if there are 5 ruskies approaching.
Episode 5:
Are you seriously fucking telling me there is ONE person dead. Just Arvo's sister. At the end of Episode 4 that one Russian dude pointing his automatic rifle at Kenny started laying the bullets down. And everyone else had a gun pointing at someone. Don't fucking tell me that after 15 shots, Mike is hit, a Russian is hit, and Arvo's sister is dead. There should be some massive fucking casualties.
Hey, uh, Kenny? About five feet to your left is a dude with a shotgun who is down and needs one bullet in the brain. He's kinda dangerous cause he is shooting at Clem and Luke. Why the fuck does it take you several minutes to realize this. Oh and Mike, just cause the shoulder of your nondominant arm is injured doesn't mean you can sit behind a tree with Bonnie doing fuck all while a guy with a shotgun ten feet in front of you is shooting at your group.
"Hi my name is not Kenny. I just witnessed a Russian dude we encountered ambush us with his group, demanding us to give him everything or we die with this smug ass smile on his face. Even though we have a baby and the main person who robbed him is no longer in the group. And his group shot at us fir---WHOA WAIT A MINUTE KENNY! How DARE you point a gun at this Russian dude to make his friend shooting at us stop. And how could you demand that he explains himself? Why would you possibly want him dead as well? What the hell Kenny, you are really losing it. He clearly is of no threat, considering the fact that his sister just died, the guy is hysterical, and his planned ambush went wrong. Not a threat at all in fact! He just wants to help...you know right after ambushing us and trying to kill us and all!"
"Oh hey it's me again, the not Kenny guy. This Russian guy told us that his group hole'd up in a place not very far away at all to save his skin. And now that it is taking days to get there even though we have wounded people is just fine! How could Kenny possibly get irritated with the guy for not indicating how fucking far away the place really was? And for running away!? Come on! He lost all his people in one fell swoop, what could be worse?" GEE IDK MAYBE HE LOST ALL HIS FUCKING PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME CAUSE HE AMBUSHED US AND TWO PEOPLE IN OUR GROUP INCLUDING YOUR LOVER BOY WERE SERIOUSLY HURT FROM THAT SDFSDSDFFDDASASDASASD.
During the scene when cleaning Kenny's eye, the ropes around Arvo's hands clearly are no longer there.
There is no way in hell the lake would freeze solid that quickly. It would probably take a week. And Luke claiming that "he doesn't see any way around the lake" is bullshit. The definition of a lake is that it isn't connected to any other major body of water other than the river supplying it. So someone in the group must have noticed that there was an opening because they define it as a lake and not a river. Maybe it's just semantics and I'm being nitpicky, but if it's a lake, there is a fucking way around it.
"Hey let's spread out while crossing this lake to be safe!" Proceeds to walk over lake together in a single clump that is about 1/4th the distance from one side to the other and the width of about ten feet from one another
And then there is another group of walkers that just randomly sense that there are people around to kill.
Alright time for serious talk. Of course based on my previous comments you can tell that I don't understand how anyone could possibly defend Arvo but this moment just got me to a boiling point. If Bonnie is still alive after Luke dies and Kenny gets all upset at Arvo blaming him, Bonnie blatantly BLAMES KENNY and Mike agrees. !??!!?!?!?! Can someone explain this logic. "Oh he's just a scared kid, they say." Like this is just awful writing. Because I cannot see any fucking argument based on what we've seen of Arvo to be in support of him with Bonnie and Mike. This just makes the player fucking hate the guts out of Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie because they are legitimately irrational.
Jane says, "I don't know who's stupid idea it was to march up this way in the first place" while blatantly ignoring the fact that the place they were initially going to was a city that could have supplies. Oh wait she wasn't there for that convo since she left the group. So, then...why didn't she travel south...you know away from where the group was heading? Clearly, she was still going north since she met up with the group again. She also AGREED that the group should follow Arvo to where his group was staying. What, did she want the group to just pull out their compasses and travel directly in the Southern direction even without a car?
Then, Mike asks about Arvo and gets all upset about how he could die if we just leave him in the house. Again, irrational thinking. The kid didn't get hurt, is back where his group was, and has food. Fuck right on out of here Mike. And on top of that, he is still in a bad place mentally and is unpredictable. Which, idk, could possibly cause him to shoot a defenseless eleven year old girl.
Again...when Mike (and Bonnie), and Arvo all leave with our supplies, I just cannot find a good argument for it. They are blatant traitors without a good reason and it feels unsatisfactory if anything because there is no way you can really relate to how Bonnie and Mike are acting.
Why wouldn't Jane just fucking get out of the truck and drive away instead of just sitting there and trusting the eleven year old could? The walkers are far away from the truck and the result of that decision caused the crash.
No way Edith could tell that AJ was a boy when he was wrapped up in that blanket and is like a few weeks old.
And that's about it, I guess. Probably missed some stuff and was a bit nitpicky but I like talking about these things.
Comments
Most of your points are valid, of course.
On Bonnie still working for Carver, she didn't help them escape the first time. Luke did approach her about it with the intent on having her come with them, but she ultimately chose to pretend she didn't here about the plan and may have even conveniently looked the other way when they actually pulled it off with Reggie.