I dunno i mean despite her mental state and potential remorse, she killed someone who did absolutely nothing to deserve it. If she does return I'm certainly not going to be too quick to forgive her.
i think ill probably forgive her considering what she was going thought at the time and to be honest i feel like Telltale would probably manage to get alot of people to forgive Lily and probably the only people who d remain angry would be either those that did not like the character from the start or people like the super best friends who really hold a grudge against characters ((Including Kenny and Catwoman if we re talking telltale games characters.))
i think ill probably forgive her considering what she was going thought at the time and to be honest i feel like Telltale would probably man… moreage to get alot of people to forgive Lily and probably the only people who d remain angry would be either those that did not like the character from the start or people like the super best friends who really hold a grudge against characters ((Including Kenny and Catwoman if we re talking telltale games characters.))
well when i used those examples i used more the two best friends as example considering the hatred they developed for her during the 2nd season of the game and their exagerated hatred of kenny during their season 2 let s play.
well when i used those examples i used more the two best friends as example considering the hatred they developed for her during the 2nd season of the game and their exagerated hatred of kenny during their season 2 let s play.
I dunno i mean despite her mental state and potential remorse, she killed someone who did absolutely nothing to deserve it. If she does return I'm certainly not going to be too quick to forgive her.
I wish we could have kept her to begin with. She was always the most level-headed one of the group up until that point, I'd always sided with her. There are characters who have done way worse crap and ppl still love them.
Like, Rick betraying and killing that group of Saviors out of grief even though they'd just saved his ass is comparatively way worse than anything Lily did... even though both of them were out of their minds due to grief, Rick gets a free pass while Lily is apparently an unforgivable villain. Hell - I bet the same people who hate Lily so much would even forgive Negan before they forgave her.
Besides, in my original playthrough she was completely right about Ben. Doug was silly to get himself killed like that.
Why not? Damn near everyone in this game had made some shit decisions under the fire of the moment. Lily was a victim of that too.
And let's be real. She was right at the end of the day. About it all. Supplies were being stolen. Ben was the cause. I fully supported her to the end. Even offered to leave with her. What she needed above all was support, but all she got was Kenny and Carley eating her ass out about everything in a tone that doesn't work with a time ticking bomb of a mind.
I can see them making Clem mad at her if she returns. But I don't have any quarrels with her. And I pray she has none with Clem, otherwise TWDs remaining continuity will go downhill fast.
Well I'm immediately put off by the fact the Lily's decision to shoot Carley didn't come from evidence or sense of justice. She literally just shot someone because they mouthed off to her. Even with Ben or even Kenny who get people killed/directly kill people there's a valid reason for it (even if I don't agree with that reason.). Regardless of mental state, I just can't get over the fact that her moment of weakness meant a permanent end to someone else's life.
Why not? Damn near everyone in this game had made some shit decisions under the fire of the moment. Lily was a victim of that too.
And le… moret's be real. She was right at the end of the day. About it all. Supplies were being stolen. Ben was the cause. I fully supported her to the end. Even offered to leave with her. What she needed above all was support, but all she got was Kenny and Carley eating her ass out about everything in a tone that doesn't work with a time ticking bomb of a mind.
I can see them making Clem mad at her if she returns. But I don't have any quarrels with her. And I pray she has none with Clem, otherwise TWDs remaining continuity will go downhill fast.
Definitely not insinuating that she was in the right of her decision to kill Carley, just to be clear. We can sit here and go through all the specifics about who was more validated to commit murder. Me personally, Carley was alright. Flirting was cute. But I've always been sort of "meh" about her death. A bit shocked at first, but it evened out after a few days, so maybe this is why I'm more inclined to forgive Lily.
But for what Clem's been through, I'd hardly see reason why she should harbor any animosity towards her. Careful around her, sure, I would be to. But Clem ain't innocent either. She pulled the trigger on a guy she was arguing with in Prescott. Sure, it was an accident, but she had no reason to pull the trigger again in the first place, especially if the bullets were faulty and he was proven to "not be nervous", as she said herself. Her hands are just as dirty as Lily's, and it wasn't even a moment of weakness.
I'd have Clem forgive her, more so because of the fact that she understands that no one's innocent anymore, not even herself. So why should she forsake only Lily when everything and everyone else is either forgiven and/or forgotten? Why should she be the exception? That would be my mindset.
Well I'm immediately put off by the fact the Lily's decision to shoot Carley didn't come from evidence or sense of justice. She literally ju… morest shot someone because they mouthed off to her. Even with Ben or even Kenny who get people killed/directly kill people there's a valid reason for it (even if I don't agree with that reason.). Regardless of mental state, I just can't get over the fact that her moment of weakness meant a permanent end to someone else's life.
This might be hypocritical of me, I'm not too sure, but i think that guy with the fake bullets had it coming. Fake bullets could have been the literal death of Clem and after he's confronted on it he literally tries to kill her and Javi with a knife (as far as I remember). Though I will say that it was stupid of her to keep firing if she wasn't intending to kill him, assuming ALL the bullets would be duds.
When it comes to forgiving though...I'm not sure. Clem more than likely didn't care too much about Carley/Doug either way. So I could see her pretty much having gotten over it, though I would appreciate the option of being cautious as all hell around Lily the first time you meet her. I had Lee leave without Lily after the incident, so I'd kind of like to have Clem keep that in mind when interacting with her.
Though I think I understand your point of no one being innocent. No matter how you play Lee he killed someone for what I would deem an invalid reason. I had Lee forgive Kenny near the end of Ep. 5 so I think I'd have Clem forgive Lily too, at least eventually.
Definitely not insinuating that she was in the right of her decision to kill Carley, just to be clear. We can sit here and go through all th… moree specifics about who was more validated to commit murder. Me personally, Carley was alright. Flirting was cute. But I've always been sort of "meh" about her death. A bit shocked at first, but it evened out after a few days, so maybe this is why I'm more inclined to forgive Lily.
But for what Clem's been through, I'd hardly see reason why she should harbor any animosity towards her. Careful around her, sure, I would be to. But Clem ain't innocent either. She pulled the trigger on a guy she was arguing with in Prescott. Sure, it was an accident, but she had no reason to pull the trigger again in the first place, especially if the bullets were faulty and he was proven to "not be nervous", as she said herself. Her hands are just as dirty as Lily's, and it wasn't even a moment of weakness.
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Probably. I wouldn't trust her but, I mean come on, after all Clem has been through, she probably has more of an understanding of what Lily did. It doesn't make it right, just like Clem killing the bullet trader or Kenny/Jane killing each other, but that's the word she has grown up in, so I don't think she would hate Lily for it.
Let’s not forget Lilly killed someone from OUR group. As she already betrayed us one time, I could forgive her but she is definitely not trustworthy. Rick would never ever do something like this with his group.
What if Lilly somehow mistrusted Clem, Kenny or Lee? Would everything be ok if she shot one of them just like she did to Carley?
Absolutely not. She straight up murdered Carly for standing up to herself! If she did come back my guess is that she would seem alright for a few episodes, but then go back to her old ways like she was at the Drug Store / Motel in Season 1.
What if Lilly somehow mistrusted Clem, Kenny or Lee? Would everything be ok if she shot one of them just like she did to Carley?
I suppose that would significantly change the course of the story, as Carley in particular was comparatively expandable.
Kinda have to wonder if that'd really be that detrimental in Kenny's case, though.
Let’s not forget Lilly killed someone from OUR group. As she already betrayed us one time, I could forgive her but she is definitely not tru… morestworthy. Rick would never ever do something like this with his group.
What if Lilly somehow mistrusted Clem, Kenny or Lee? Would everything be ok if she shot one of them just like she did to Carley?
Definitely. I blame Ben. Think of how better the story would have gone if she had shot Ben because of what he did. Kenny would have been in her corner because he ultimately got Duck killed. The problem is Carly, and probably Lee, wouldn't have forgiven her for that, despite what he did. But I see Kenny/Lily/Lee as an incredible force.
I guess the main question is do you think Lilly is crazy? I don't. I can understand those who say they wouldn't forgive her. She did a terrible thing, but you also have to look at the circumstances (her father was brutally murdered in front of her eyes WHILE having a heart attack, not eating much, stress with Kenny, Ben and his betrayal). That's not regular stress. In order to assess Lilly now, you have to see where she's been since the incident and not the facade she shows. I think she was a good leader but the burden of leadership and the lack of food was getting to her.
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I dunno i mean despite her mental state and potential remorse, she killed someone who did absolutely nothing to deserve it. If she does return I'm certainly not going to be too quick to forgive her.
i think ill probably forgive her considering what she was going thought at the time and to be honest i feel like Telltale would probably manage to get alot of people to forgive Lily and probably the only people who d remain angry would be either those that did not like the character from the start or people like the super best friends who really hold a grudge against characters ((Including Kenny and Catwoman if we re talking telltale games characters.))
Catwoman? Well that's something to see to believe.
well when i used those examples i used more the two best friends as example considering the hatred they developed for her during the 2nd season of the game and their exagerated hatred of kenny during their season 2 let s play.
I still ain't started Season 1 yet, so again, I'll have to take your word on it.
Even if it's debatably to be expected.
That’s what I’m saying.
I wish we could have kept her to begin with. She was always the most level-headed one of the group up until that point, I'd always sided with her. There are characters who have done way worse crap and ppl still love them.
Like, Rick betraying and killing that group of Saviors out of grief even though they'd just saved his ass is comparatively way worse than anything Lily did... even though both of them were out of their minds due to grief, Rick gets a free pass while Lily is apparently an unforgivable villain. Hell - I bet the same people who hate Lily so much would even forgive Negan before they forgave her.
Besides, in my original playthrough she was completely right about Ben. Doug was silly to get himself killed like that.
Why not? Damn near everyone in this game had made some shit decisions under the fire of the moment. Lily was a victim of that too.
And let's be real. She was right at the end of the day. About it all. Supplies were being stolen. Ben was the cause. I fully supported her to the end. Even offered to leave with her. What she needed above all was support, but all she got was Kenny and Carley eating her ass out about everything in a tone that doesn't work with a time ticking bomb of a mind.
I can see them making Clem mad at her if she returns. But I don't have any quarrels with her. And I pray she has none with Clem, otherwise TWDs remaining continuity will go downhill fast.
Well I'm immediately put off by the fact the Lily's decision to shoot Carley didn't come from evidence or sense of justice. She literally just shot someone because they mouthed off to her. Even with Ben or even Kenny who get people killed/directly kill people there's a valid reason for it (even if I don't agree with that reason.). Regardless of mental state, I just can't get over the fact that her moment of weakness meant a permanent end to someone else's life.
Definitely not insinuating that she was in the right of her decision to kill Carley, just to be clear. We can sit here and go through all the specifics about who was more validated to commit murder. Me personally, Carley was alright. Flirting was cute. But I've always been sort of "meh" about her death. A bit shocked at first, but it evened out after a few days, so maybe this is why I'm more inclined to forgive Lily.
But for what Clem's been through, I'd hardly see reason why she should harbor any animosity towards her. Careful around her, sure, I would be to. But Clem ain't innocent either. She pulled the trigger on a guy she was arguing with in Prescott. Sure, it was an accident, but she had no reason to pull the trigger again in the first place, especially if the bullets were faulty and he was proven to "not be nervous", as she said herself. Her hands are just as dirty as Lily's, and it wasn't even a moment of weakness.
I'd have Clem forgive her, more so because of the fact that she understands that no one's innocent anymore, not even herself. So why should she forsake only Lily when everything and everyone else is either forgiven and/or forgotten? Why should she be the exception? That would be my mindset.
This might be hypocritical of me, I'm not too sure, but i think that guy with the fake bullets had it coming. Fake bullets could have been the literal death of Clem and after he's confronted on it he literally tries to kill her and Javi with a knife (as far as I remember). Though I will say that it was stupid of her to keep firing if she wasn't intending to kill him, assuming ALL the bullets would be duds.
When it comes to forgiving though...I'm not sure. Clem more than likely didn't care too much about Carley/Doug either way. So I could see her pretty much having gotten over it, though I would appreciate the option of being cautious as all hell around Lily the first time you meet her. I had Lee leave without Lily after the incident, so I'd kind of like to have Clem keep that in mind when interacting with her.
Though I think I understand your point of no one being innocent. No matter how you play Lee he killed someone for what I would deem an invalid reason. I had Lee forgive Kenny near the end of Ep. 5 so I think I'd have Clem forgive Lily too, at least eventually.
Probably. I wouldn't trust her but, I mean come on, after all Clem has been through, she probably has more of an understanding of what Lily did. It doesn't make it right, just like Clem killing the bullet trader or Kenny/Jane killing each other, but that's the word she has grown up in, so I don't think she would hate Lily for it.
Let’s not forget Lilly killed someone from OUR group. As she already betrayed us one time, I could forgive her but she is definitely not trustworthy. Rick would never ever do something like this with his group.
What if Lilly somehow mistrusted Clem, Kenny or Lee? Would everything be ok if she shot one of them just like she did to Carley?
Absolutely not. She straight up murdered Carly for standing up to herself! If she did come back my guess is that she would seem alright for a few episodes, but then go back to her old ways like she was at the Drug Store / Motel in Season 1.
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I suppose that would significantly change the course of the story, as Carley in particular was comparatively expandable.
Kinda have to wonder if that'd really be that detrimental in Kenny's case, though.
Definitely. I blame Ben. Think of how better the story would have gone if she had shot Ben because of what he did. Kenny would have been in her corner because he ultimately got Duck killed. The problem is Carly, and probably Lee, wouldn't have forgiven her for that, despite what he did. But I see Kenny/Lily/Lee as an incredible force.
I guess the main question is do you think Lilly is crazy? I don't. I can understand those who say they wouldn't forgive her. She did a terrible thing, but you also have to look at the circumstances (her father was brutally murdered in front of her eyes WHILE having a heart attack, not eating much, stress with Kenny, Ben and his betrayal). That's not regular stress. In order to assess Lilly now, you have to see where she's been since the incident and not the facade she shows. I think she was a good leader but the burden of leadership and the lack of food was getting to her.
I already did.