Yeah, no. I didn't read all that deep in your argument with @DrHabitualRealist , but him killing Marlon after the tension had been defused was the last straw for me.
No, I was saying that I didn't read too much of what you guys were arguing about, so I didn't know if i'd be bringing up the same topic by stating that I don't like AJ
Yeah, no. I didn't read all that deep in your argument with @DrHabitualRealist , but him killing Marlon after the tension had been defused was the last straw for me.
If I may add my two cents, AJ, not having read the "Do's and Don'ts of A Seemingly Bad Situation" book, didn't understand that Marlon, moments before his death, was unarmed and wasn't posing any real threat to him, Clementine, or the other teens, and didn't need to shoot. Now, I assume you believe NONE of Marlon's controversial actions were justified and That's 100% fine. But Marlon giving up the twins to stop the raiders from taking the rest of the teens wasn't as bad as AJ shooting him. Hell, AJ himself didn't even know why he shot Marlon. Marlon's action had reason behind it, and a pretty good one too. He gave up the twins to save everyone else. There was no way he was getting out of that situation. If it were Clementine in that situation, and we had to choose between giving up the twins or putting EVERYONE at risk, we'd give up the twins hands down.
I'm just tired of his face, tired of having a child companion with me, asking stupid questions like "are we going to the car?" after seeing with his own eyes it was in no longer in any shape to be driven. I don't think he's adorable in the slightest bit, so he's a no no for me. If I had to choose between him and anyone else, literally anyone else, I'd pick the option of saving them over saving AJ.
Not I, but I see your point. Marlon did bad but ended up saving lives. Its easy to condemn someone for a choice you didn't have to make.
That said, I think- Or hope- AJ will learn from this as he's supposed to.
I think it depends on how Clem reacts. If players decide 'that's justice' or 'that's wrong' he'll react accordingly. This is the last season so telltale won't be so limited in how choices affect the outcome.
If I may add my two cents, AJ, not having read the "Do's and Don'ts of A Seemingly Bad Situation" book, didn't understand that Marlon, momen… morets before his death, was unarmed and wasn't posing any real threat to him, Clementine, or the other teens, and didn't need to shoot. Now, I assume you believe NONE of Marlon's controversial actions were justified and That's 100% fine. But Marlon giving up the twins to stop the raiders from taking the rest of the teens wasn't as bad as AJ shooting him. Hell, AJ himself didn't even know why he shot Marlon. Marlon's action had reason behind it, and a pretty good one too. He gave up the twins to save everyone else. There was no way he was getting out of that situation. If it were Clementine in that situation, and we had to choose between giving up the twins or putting EVERYONE at risk, we'd give up the twins hands down.
You bring an interesting perspective at play, much more than that other guy did. But I still feel that Marlon was way more wrong for what he did. We still don't exactly know how that situation went down when Marlon traded the twins to the bandits. Also with your last sentence your implying there would only be two options there to dealing with the bandits. Your wrong they could have fought them, hell one of the dialogue options Clem had was that he could have sacrificed himself. No but Marlon took the cowards way out, not only that but we don't know if the twins are even alive. Also marlon was willing to leave clementine to get killed by a zombie, possibly turning into one herself. Compared to that what Aj did to marlon was a mercy.
If I may add my two cents, AJ, not having read the "Do's and Don'ts of A Seemingly Bad Situation" book, didn't understand that Marlon, momen… morets before his death, was unarmed and wasn't posing any real threat to him, Clementine, or the other teens, and didn't need to shoot. Now, I assume you believe NONE of Marlon's controversial actions were justified and That's 100% fine. But Marlon giving up the twins to stop the raiders from taking the rest of the teens wasn't as bad as AJ shooting him. Hell, AJ himself didn't even know why he shot Marlon. Marlon's action had reason behind it, and a pretty good one too. He gave up the twins to save everyone else. There was no way he was getting out of that situation. If it were Clementine in that situation, and we had to choose between giving up the twins or putting EVERYONE at risk, we'd give up the twins hands down.
wanting him dead is a bit extreme.
I'm just tired of his face, tired of having a child companion with me, asking stupid questions li… moreke "are we going to the car?" after seeing with his own eyes it was in no longer in any shape to be driven. I don't think he's adorable in the slightest bit, so he's a no no for me. If I had to choose between him and anyone else, literally anyone else, I'd pick the option of saving them over saving AJ.
So true. I mean what AJ did was still wrong, but Marlon left Clem to be eaten... Imagine the pain in your final moments? Whereas AJ shot him, it was fast and no pain.
You bring an interesting perspective at play, much more than that other guy did. But I still feel that Marlon was way more wrong for what h… moree did. We still don't exactly know how that situation went down when Marlon traded the twins to the bandits. Also with your last sentence your implying there would only be two options there to dealing with the bandits. Your wrong they could have fought them, hell one of the dialogue options Clem had was that he could have sacrificed himself. No but Marlon took the cowards way out, not only that but we don't know if the twins are even alive. Also marlon was willing to leave clementine to get killed by a zombie, possibly turning into one herself. Compared to that what Aj did to marlon was a mercy.
So true. I mean what AJ did was still wrong, but Marlon left Clem to be eaten... Imagine the pain in your final moments? Whereas AJ shot him, it was fast and no pain.
I could understand that. I'm a pretty protective person when it comes to family so I have no idea how I'd react in that situation. I'd like to think I wouldn't kill someone after they've surrendered but people often do things they would never expect when emotions run high.
Kinda like how Marlon killed Brody. Not that this excuses any of that.
with your last sentence your implying there would only be two options there to dealing with the bandits.
When Lee had to choose between saving Doug or Saving Carley, he had only two options. You give one up for the other.
Your wrong they could have fought them
There are far more raiders than there are kids at that school, especially now that they're 2 members shorter. Against armed men with the numbers to go around abducting people, they cannot win.
he could have sacrificed himself
They most likely wanted the twins. If they wanted him, there was nothing stopping them from taking him.
You bring an interesting perspective at play, much more than that other guy did. But I still feel that Marlon was way more wrong for what h… moree did. We still don't exactly know how that situation went down when Marlon traded the twins to the bandits. Also with your last sentence your implying there would only be two options there to dealing with the bandits. Your wrong they could have fought them, hell one of the dialogue options Clem had was that he could have sacrificed himself. No but Marlon took the cowards way out, not only that but we don't know if the twins are even alive. Also marlon was willing to leave clementine to get killed by a zombie, possibly turning into one herself. Compared to that what Aj did to marlon was a mercy.
When Lee had to choose between saving Doug or Saving Carley, he had only two options. You give one up for the other.
I feel like those are two different things, we don't exactly know how it went down that day compared to being Lee and seeing those options with our own two eyes.
There are far more raiders than there are kids at that school, especially now that they're 2 members shorter. Against armed men with the numbers to go around abducting people, they cannot win.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do we know exactly how many raiders there are? Even if i'm wrong I still fill like that's a better viable option. I mean that's pretty much the situation there in now with Marlon dead. And i'm pretty sure my Clementines is not going to give up any more kids, so that means were fighting.
They most likely wanted the twins. If they wanted him, there was nothing stopping them from taking him.
I actually meant that in a more dying in battle type of way, more like him choosing to fight the bandits even if he dies.
Right, I feel like what Aj did to marlon was more out of anger than anything for threatening Clem who he sees as his mother. There's no telling if Aj will regret what he did or not, but if I were him wouldn't lose any sleep over it good riddance.
I could understand that. I'm a pretty protective person when it comes to family so I have no idea how I'd react in that situation. I'd like … moreto think I wouldn't kill someone after they've surrendered but people often do things they would never expect when emotions run high.
Kinda like how Marlon killed Brody. Not that this excuses any of that.
we don't exactly know how it went down that day compared to being Lee and seeing those options with our own two eyes.
True, although i'm pretty sure it wasn't something marlon could've just walked away from., otherwise he would've came back with the twins
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do we know exactly how many raiders there are? Even if i'm wrong I still fill like that's a better viable option.
What, you think there are 6 of them? Regardless of their undeniable strength in numbers, they have guns. They automatically 1-up everyone at Ericson's
I actually meant that in a more dying in battle type of way, more like him choosing to fight the bandits even if he dies.
So you'd rather have him die, AND lose Minnie, Sophie, and Brody? Because that's what would happen. Ericson's would've lost 4 people all over really dumb decision like fighting a whole group of men.
When Lee had to choose between saving Doug or Saving Carley, he had only two options. You give one up for the other.
I feel like tho… morese are two different things, we don't exactly know how it went down that day compared to being Lee and seeing those options with our own two eyes.
There are far more raiders than there are kids at that school, especially now that they're 2 members shorter. Against armed men with the numbers to go around abducting people, they cannot win.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do we know exactly how many raiders there are? Even if i'm wrong I still fill like that's a better viable option. I mean that's pretty much the situation there in now with Marlon dead. And i'm pretty sure my Clementines is not going to give up any more kids, so that means were fighting.
They most likely wanted the twins. If they wanted him, there was nothing stopping them from taking him.
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Idk that AJ was angry, its not the vibe I got by the end. But I do think he didn't understand it was wrong to kill an unarmed person.
And while the morality of it is up for debate it still wasn't the smartest thing for AJ to do. He was in front of a group of the guys friends and while they felt betrayed they still knew Marlon a great deal more than either Clem or AJ. And after the anger passed some may have even understood why Marlon did what he did.
So AJ and Clem may be in trouble during the first half of episode 2.
And I think Clem needs to teach AJ it was wrong because if she doesn't than whose to say he doesn't go and kill an unarmed person who doesn't deserve it? Like Nick from season 2 with that bridge guy.
There's so much to consider in this situation and it'd be hard knowing whats the right answer.
Right, I feel like what Aj did to marlon was more out of anger than anything for threatening Clem who he sees as his mother. There's no telling if Aj will regret what he did or not, but if I were him wouldn't lose any sleep over it good riddance.
True, although i'm pretty sure it wasn't something marlon could've just walked away from., otherwise he would've came back with the twins.
We're gonna have to disagree on that one bro, I still feel like Marlon could of fought them.
What, you think there are 6 of them? Regardless of their undeniable strength in numbers, they have guns. They automatically 1-up everyone at Ericson's.
Well Marlon had a bow, Aasim also had a bow as well right, all the the other kids have
close combat weapons, stealth could've been an option they know the school better than the raiders do.
So you'd rather have him die, AND lose Minnie, Sophie, and Brody? Because that's what would happen. Ericson's would've lost 4 people all over really dumb decision like fighting a whole group of men.
Like I previously posted, they had a tactical advantage with knowing the school. There's just always another option than giving up one of your own. And considering Clementine is going to fight these bastards, there is no reason why Marlon shouldn't of when he first had the chance.
we don't exactly know how it went down that day compared to being Lee and seeing those options with our own two eyes.
True, although… more i'm pretty sure it wasn't something marlon could've just walked away from., otherwise he would've came back with the twins
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do we know exactly how many raiders there are? Even if i'm wrong I still fill like that's a better viable option.
What, you think there are 6 of them? Regardless of their undeniable strength in numbers, they have guns. They automatically 1-up everyone at Ericson's
I actually meant that in a more dying in battle type of way, more like him choosing to fight the bandits even if he dies.
So you'd rather have him die, AND lose Minnie, Sophie, and Brody? Because that's what would happen. Ericson's would've lost 4 people all over really dumb decision like fighting a whole group of men.
I agree with you, but the reason I say Aj did it out of anger, was the look of surprise on his face when he did it. Usually when someone does something out of anger and they calm down after doing something not good, like killing someone, their shocked at their own actions.The look of surprise on Ajs face, means that he felt what he did was right in that moment of anger, But after seeing everybody's horrified face he starts questioning if he did something wrong. Aj does not understand the basic concepts of morality yet.
Idk that AJ was angry, its not the vibe I got by the end. But I do think he didn't understand it was wrong to kill an unarmed person.
And w… morehile the morality of it is up for debate it still wasn't the smartest thing for AJ to do. He was in front of a group of the guys friends and while they felt betrayed they still knew Marlon a great deal more than either Clem or AJ. And after the anger passed some may have even understood why Marlon did what he did.
So AJ and Clem may be in trouble during the first half of episode 2.
And I think Clem needs to teach AJ it was wrong because if she doesn't than whose to say he doesn't go and kill an unarmed person who doesn't deserve it? Like Nick from season 2 with that bridge guy.
There's so much to consider in this situation and it'd be hard knowing whats the right answer.
True, although i'm pretty sure it wasn't something marlon could've just walked away from., otherwise he would've came back with the twins.
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We're gonna have to disagree on that one bro, I still feel like Marlon could of fought them.
What, you think there are 6 of them? Regardless of their undeniable strength in numbers, they have guns. They automatically 1-up everyone at Ericson's.
Well Marlon had a bow, Aasim also had a bow as well right, all the the other kids have
close combat weapons, stealth could've been an option they know the school better than the raiders do.
So you'd rather have him die, AND lose Minnie, Sophie, and Brody? Because that's what would happen. Ericson's would've lost 4 people all over really dumb decision like fighting a whole group of men.
Like I previously posted, they had a tactical advantage with knowing the school. There's just always another option than giving up one of your… [view original content]
A gun is many times better than a bow. There's a reason armies use them instead of bows.
Tell that to the Native americans
Bringing a knife to a gun fight? They might as well kill/rape themselves
Not if you can stab them from behind, guess you win the fight then. you just gotta have the element of surprise.
Within that moment, outnumbered and outgunned, he had to make the call right then and there. There was no running back to the school to for back up.
Again we still don't exactly know how the situation went down that day. All we really have is both Marlon and Brody's words, and they were already liars in their own right.Im really skeptical of this "Marlon couldn't do anything else but give up the twins".
He clearly did not did this out of anger, he seemed pretty calm and he cleary doesn't understand what he did wrong, because otherwise he would have said "what ? he was a bad guy" but instead he said, I aimed for the head, I didn't hesitate and I kept one for me, he doesn't even think that killing Marlon was bad.
I agree with you, but the reason I say Aj did it out of anger, was the look of surprise on his face when he did it. Usually when someone d… moreoes something out of anger and they calm down after doing something not good, like killing someone, their shocked at their own actions.The look of surprise on Ajs face, means that he felt what he did was right in that moment of anger, But after seeing everybody's horrified face he starts questioning if he did something wrong. Aj does not understand the basic concepts of morality yet.
Well seeing is how you've jumped back into this discussion, and focused on one portion of it. The reason I used that argument, was because Dex-star made it seem like those weapons would be useless in a gunfight.However if your able to get ahold of those
superior weapons that the enemy carries, The raiders and their guns.The kids could then win that fight.
Seriously the group will now be rallying Clem to punish AJ in some way or have his gun totally taken away from him to protect the group. AJ and Clem are people they met what like two days ago? AJ just shot someone they knew since the outbreak who was having a break down under the pressure of leadership. If you don't punish AJ you will lose a lot of respect in the group and AJ no doubt will continue to cause problems throughout the season.
Next episode I hope I can take AJ's revolver>pistol whip him with it>lock him in the basement. In that order.
We did not get a good look at his face when he shot Marlon, I think the writers did this on purpose for it to be more ambiguous. It did give us a close up of his face after he sees people reactions for what he did, then he gains a look of surprise. Any other facial expression he might've had we dint see I just assume it was anger. Don't know where your getting him being calm from, he seemed pretty frantic to justify his actions at that moment after killing Marlon with the stuff he says afterwards.
He clearly did not did this out of anger, he seemed pretty calm and he cleary doesn't understand what he did wrong, because otherwise he wou… moreld have said "what ? he was a bad guy" but instead he said, I aimed for the head, I didn't hesitate and I kept one for me, he doesn't even think that killing Marlon was bad.
Well seeing is how you've jumped back into this discussion, and focused on one portion of it. The reason I used that argument, was because D… moreex-star made it seem like those weapons would be useless in a gunfight.However if your able to get ahold of those
superior weapons that the enemy carries, The raiders and their guns.The kids could then win that fight.
I know you guys are obviously passionate about this issue, but can we please tone it down a bit. Insults have been thrown around, and it's getting heated a bit. Just remember R-E-S-P-E-C-T please. Thanks!
Dex-star made it seem like those weapons would be useless in a gunfight
The only thing a bow has over a gun is silence. Other than that, a gun beats a bow, especially an automatic.
you fall back on any excuse to defend Marlon, like he's some innocent person in all this, after everything he did
You refuse to believe there was no other route Marlon could've taken with the raiders on Minnie and Sophie, yet are quick to believe that he should've done more to protect them, when you yourself specifically said "we don't exactly know how it went down that day". It could've been worse than just "Raiders taking Minnie and Sophie". Yes, him killing Brody and leaving Clem to get eaten in order to cover his tracks is really fucked up, but you should give him the benefit of the doubt when he said he gave up the twins to protect them. After all the lies he told, he did speak the truth in the end
Does Not change the fact we just don't know how it went that day, I could be wrong or you could be wrong, but from what i've seen from him, with my own two eyes I don't believe him when he said he was doing it to protect the group.
you fall back on any excuse to defend Marlon, like he's some innocent person in all this, after everything he did
You refuse to beli… moreeve there was no other route Marlon could've taken with the raiders on Minnie and Sophie, yet are quick to believe that he should've done more to protect them, when you yourself specifically said "we don't exactly know how it went down that day". It could've been worse than just "Raiders taking Minnie and Sophie". Yes, him killing Brody and leaving Clem to get eaten in order to cover his tracks is really fucked up, but you should give him the benefit of the doubt when he said he gave up the twins to protect them. After all the lies he told, he did speak the truth in the end
What!? It's very different. Kenny was literally seconds way from killing Jane. Marlon had surrendered, been disarmed (otherwise AJ couldn't have gotten his gun back), and was a crying mess. Those are vastly different circumstances.
Kenny snapped and was a threat to Jane (not meaning to defend her lol). Also he if Clem chose to shoot him he accepted it.
On the other hand, i don't think a surrendered, unarmed guy who apparently didn't pose a threat to anyone was willing to get himself shot in the head at that very moment.
Yes it is!!! She KNEW why she killed him. She did it with REASON. AJ had no reasoning behind killing Marlon. When everyone stared at him he said "What? I saved one for myself". Clearly he didn't understand what was going on and acted without thinking
Yes it is!!! She KNEW why she killed him. She did it with REASON. AJ had no reasoning behind killing Marlon. When everyone stared at him he said "What? I saved one for myself". Clearly he didn't understand what was going on and acted without thinking
Seriously the group will now be rallying Clem to punish AJ in some way or have his gun totally taken away from him to protect the group. AJ … moreand Clem are people they met what like two days ago? AJ just shot someone they knew since the outbreak who was having a break down under the pressure of leadership. If you don't punish AJ you will lose a lot of respect in the group and AJ no doubt will continue to cause problems throughout the season.
Next episode I hope I can take AJ's revolver>pistol whip him with it>lock him in the basement. In that order.
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Okay protecting someone else, makes sense.
AJ needs to be put down like Lenny was from the book "Of Mice and Men"
Don't tell me you hate Aj as well, your a Louis shipper and Louis likes Aj?
Yeah, no. I didn't read all that deep in your argument with @DrHabitualRealist , but him killing Marlon after the tension had been defused was the last straw for me.
No, I was saying that I didn't read too much of what you guys were arguing about, so I didn't know if i'd be bringing up the same topic by stating that I don't like AJ
That was mostly a joke with the whole emoji, I definitely don't mind if you hate him but wanting him dead is a bit extreme.
If I may add my two cents, AJ, not having read the "Do's and Don'ts of A Seemingly Bad Situation" book, didn't understand that Marlon, moments before his death, was unarmed and wasn't posing any real threat to him, Clementine, or the other teens, and didn't need to shoot. Now, I assume you believe NONE of Marlon's controversial actions were justified and That's 100% fine. But Marlon giving up the twins to stop the raiders from taking the rest of the teens wasn't as bad as AJ shooting him. Hell, AJ himself didn't even know why he shot Marlon. Marlon's action had reason behind it, and a pretty good one too. He gave up the twins to save everyone else. There was no way he was getting out of that situation. If it were Clementine in that situation, and we had to choose between giving up the twins or putting EVERYONE at risk, we'd give up the twins hands down.
I'm just tired of his face, tired of having a child companion with me, asking stupid questions like "are we going to the car?" after seeing with his own eyes it was in no longer in any shape to be driven. I don't think he's adorable in the slightest bit, so he's a no no for me. If I had to choose between him and anyone else, literally anyone else, I'd pick the option of saving them over saving AJ.
Not I, but I see your point. Marlon did bad but ended up saving lives. Its easy to condemn someone for a choice you didn't have to make.
That said, I think- Or hope- AJ will learn from this as he's supposed to.
I think it depends on how Clem reacts. If players decide 'that's justice' or 'that's wrong' he'll react accordingly. This is the last season so telltale won't be so limited in how choices affect the outcome.
You bring an interesting perspective at play, much more than that other guy did. But I still feel that Marlon was way more wrong for what he did. We still don't exactly know how that situation went down when Marlon traded the twins to the bandits. Also with your last sentence your implying there would only be two options there to dealing with the bandits. Your wrong they could have fought them, hell one of the dialogue options Clem had was that he could have sacrificed himself. No but Marlon took the cowards way out, not only that but we don't know if the twins are even alive. Also marlon was willing to leave clementine to get killed by a zombie, possibly turning into one herself. Compared to that what Aj did to marlon was a mercy.
Fair enough, but at least your hate doesn't come from bias.
So true. I mean what AJ did was still wrong, but Marlon left Clem to be eaten... Imagine the pain in your final moments? Whereas AJ shot him, it was fast and no pain.
Exactly, like out of all the things Marlon did I really wanted to kill him for that.
I could understand that. I'm a pretty protective person when it comes to family so I have no idea how I'd react in that situation. I'd like to think I wouldn't kill someone after they've surrendered but people often do things they would never expect when emotions run high.
Kinda like how Marlon killed Brody. Not that this excuses any of that.
When Lee had to choose between saving Doug or Saving Carley, he had only two options. You give one up for the other.
There are far more raiders than there are kids at that school, especially now that they're 2 members shorter. Against armed men with the numbers to go around abducting people, they cannot win.
They most likely wanted the twins. If they wanted him, there was nothing stopping them from taking him.
I feel like those are two different things, we don't exactly know how it went down that day compared to being Lee and seeing those options with our own two eyes.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but do we know exactly how many raiders there are? Even if i'm wrong I still fill like that's a better viable option. I mean that's pretty much the situation there in now with Marlon dead. And i'm pretty sure my Clementines is not going to give up any more kids, so that means were fighting.
I actually meant that in a more dying in battle type of way, more like him choosing to fight the bandits even if he dies.
Right, I feel like what Aj did to marlon was more out of anger than anything for threatening Clem who he sees as his mother. There's no telling if Aj will regret what he did or not, but if I were him wouldn't lose any sleep over it good riddance.
True, although i'm pretty sure it wasn't something marlon could've just walked away from., otherwise he would've came back with the twins
What, you think there are 6 of them?
Regardless of their undeniable strength in numbers, they have guns. They automatically 1-up everyone at Ericson's
So you'd rather have him die, AND lose Minnie, Sophie, and Brody? Because that's what would happen. Ericson's would've lost 4 people all over really dumb decision like fighting a whole group of men.
Idk that AJ was angry, its not the vibe I got by the end. But I do think he didn't understand it was wrong to kill an unarmed person.
And while the morality of it is up for debate it still wasn't the smartest thing for AJ to do. He was in front of a group of the guys friends and while they felt betrayed they still knew Marlon a great deal more than either Clem or AJ. And after the anger passed some may have even understood why Marlon did what he did.
So AJ and Clem may be in trouble during the first half of episode 2.
And I think Clem needs to teach AJ it was wrong because if she doesn't than whose to say he doesn't go and kill an unarmed person who doesn't deserve it? Like Nick from season 2 with that bridge guy.
There's so much to consider in this situation and it'd be hard knowing whats the right answer.
We're gonna have to disagree on that one bro, I still feel like Marlon could of fought them.
Well Marlon had a bow, Aasim also had a bow as well right, all the the other kids have
close combat weapons, stealth could've been an option they know the school better than the raiders do.
Like I previously posted, they had a tactical advantage with knowing the school. There's just always another option than giving up one of your own. And considering Clementine is going to fight these bastards, there is no reason why Marlon shouldn't of when he first had the chance.
I agree with you, but the reason I say Aj did it out of anger, was the look of surprise on his face when he did it. Usually when someone does something out of anger and they calm down after doing something not good, like killing someone, their shocked at their own actions.The look of surprise on Ajs face, means that he felt what he did was right in that moment of anger, But after seeing everybody's horrified face he starts questioning if he did something wrong. Aj does not understand the basic concepts of morality yet.
A gun is many times better than a bow. There's a reason armies use them instead of bows.
Bringing a knife to a gun fight? They might as well kill/rape themselves
Within that moment, outnumbered and outgunned, he had to make the call right then and there. There was no running back to the school to for back up.
Tell that to the Native americans
Not if you can stab them from behind, guess you win the fight then. you just gotta have the element of surprise.
Again we still don't exactly know how the situation went down that day. All we really have is both Marlon and Brody's words, and they were already liars in their own right.Im really skeptical of this "Marlon couldn't do anything else but give up the twins".
He clearly did not did this out of anger, he seemed pretty calm and he cleary doesn't understand what he did wrong, because otherwise he would have said "what ? he was a bad guy" but instead he said, I aimed for the head, I didn't hesitate and I kept one for me, he doesn't even think that killing Marlon was bad.
Well seeing is how you've jumped back into this discussion, and focused on one portion of it. The reason I used that argument, was because Dex-star made it seem like those weapons would be useless in a gunfight.However if your able to get ahold of those
superior weapons that the enemy carries, The raiders and their guns.The kids could then win that fight.
Seriously the group will now be rallying Clem to punish AJ in some way or have his gun totally taken away from him to protect the group. AJ and Clem are people they met what like two days ago? AJ just shot someone they knew since the outbreak who was having a break down under the pressure of leadership. If you don't punish AJ you will lose a lot of respect in the group and AJ no doubt will continue to cause problems throughout the season.
Next episode I hope I can take AJ's revolver>pistol whip him with it>lock him in the basement. In that order.
We did not get a good look at his face when he shot Marlon, I think the writers did this on purpose for it to be more ambiguous. It did give us a close up of his face after he sees people reactions for what he did, then he gains a look of surprise. Any other facial expression he might've had we dint see I just assume it was anger. Don't know where your getting him being calm from, he seemed pretty frantic to justify his actions at that moment after killing Marlon with the stuff he says afterwards.
The only thing a bow has over a gun is silence. Other than that, a gun beats a bow, especially an automatic.
Thank you, I'm tired of all of these flame wars going on this forum over a decision of a six year old. This is sad.
Calm down
Great singer, she will be missed.
That's why stealth is the best option with those types of weapons.
You refuse to believe there was no other route Marlon could've taken with the raiders on Minnie and Sophie, yet are quick to believe that he should've done more to protect them, when you yourself specifically said "we don't exactly know how it went down that day". It could've been worse than just "Raiders taking Minnie and Sophie". Yes, him killing Brody and leaving Clem to get eaten in order to cover his tracks is really fucked up, but you should give him the benefit of the doubt when he said he gave up the twins to protect them. After all the lies he told, he did speak the truth in the end
Does Not change the fact we just don't know how it went that day, I could be wrong or you could be wrong, but from what i've seen from him, with my own two eyes I don't believe him when he said he was doing it to protect the group.
AJ killing Marlon is no different from Clementine killing Kenny.
My Clementine is not going to scold my AJ.
What!? It's very different. Kenny was literally seconds way from killing Jane. Marlon had surrendered, been disarmed (otherwise AJ couldn't have gotten his gun back), and was a crying mess. Those are vastly different circumstances.
Kenny snapped and was a threat to Jane (not meaning to defend her lol). Also he if Clem chose to shoot him he accepted it.
On the other hand, i don't think a surrendered, unarmed guy who apparently didn't pose a threat to anyone was willing to get himself shot in the head at that very moment.
Yes it is!!! She KNEW why she killed him. She did it with REASON. AJ had no reasoning behind killing Marlon. When everyone stared at him he said "What? I saved one for myself". Clearly he didn't understand what was going on and acted without thinking
If Kenny dropped the knife and wasn't about to kill Jane, nobody would have shot him, it's VEEEERY different.
Well we certainly need to give AJ a lesson, I just hope Telltale will let us be harsh enough.