Bro, if someone's a traitor in the group do you just shoot them in the head ?
Oh a guy from our group went to the concert with some other guys ? Hol' up lemme grab my Glock.
She didn't shoot anyone because she thought they were a traitor or whatever, she shot Carley because she was mad as heck after Carly stood up for herself and wanted to shoot Ben because... why exactly ? First she wants to kick him, fair enough let's say he deserves it but why shoot him a second later ? Because, you guessed it, she was mad.
You don't just shoot people you don't like, that goes double for when you are in the apocalypse where you need to stick together.
Carley was thought to be the traitor. Lilly only killed Doug because he went in Lilly's line-of-fire towards Ben, who she also thought (though correctly that time) to be the traitor.
Yeah... she didn’t mean to kill him... she was aiming for a kid instead. Clementine’s friend, I might add. Just because he was planned to be the antagonist doesn’t mean that he was in canon.
She'd been suspecting Carley ever since they left the motor inn. I admit, I wouldn't just shoot a traitor, but Lilly told Lee that she believed anyone stealing supplies from the group is equivalent to a murderer.
Bro, if someone's a traitor in the group do you just shoot them in the head ?
Oh a guy from our group went to the concert with some other g… moreuys ? Hol' up lemme grab my Glock.
She didn't shoot anyone because she thought they were a traitor or whatever, she shot Carley because she was mad as heck after Carly stood up for herself and wanted to shoot Ben because... why exactly ? First she wants to kick him, fair enough let's say he deserves it but why shoot him a second later ? Because, you guessed it, she was mad.
You don't just shoot people you don't like, that goes double for when you are in the apocalypse where you need to stick together.
To people saying that Lilly would have NO reason to suddenly be completely against Clementine since she cared for her in Season 1. Guys... if you hadn't noticed, based on timeline, they've seen each other last almost 8 years prior to the events of TFS.
I mean, look how much Clementine has changed since then. It's stupid, I say stupid, to assume that Lilly is still the same person she was and the same goes for her treatment of Clementine. She might no longer be the Lilly we remember or even care that much for Clem anymore.
To people saying that Lilly would have NO reason to suddenly be completely against Clementine since she cared for her in Season 1. Guys... i… moref you hadn't noticed, based on timeline, they've seen each other last almost 8 years prior to the events of TFS.
I mean, look how much Clementine has changed since then. It's stupid, I say stupid, to assume that Lilly is still the same person she was and the same goes for her treatment of Clementine. She might no longer be the Lilly we remember or even care that much for Clem anymore.
How is me being anti-AJ being anti-kid? I was the forums biggest defender of Gabe, I used to defend AJ to the death until he turned into a little shit, I still continue to defend both Duck and Ben and Clementine is my favourite character. When are you actually going to start presenting actual proof to your claims or can I get back to whatever the hell I was just doing?
My point stands: she didn't shoot Carley because she stole supplies (That's what she thought), she shot get because she got mad at her. That's no reason to shoot anyone.
She'd been suspecting Carley ever since they left the motor inn. I admit, I wouldn't just shoot a traitor, but Lilly told Lee that she believed anyone stealing supplies from the group is equivalent to a murderer.
To people saying that Lilly would have NO reason to suddenly be completely against Clementine since she cared for her in Season 1. Guys... i… moref you hadn't noticed, based on timeline, they've seen each other last almost 8 years prior to the events of TFS.
I mean, look how much Clementine has changed since then. It's stupid, I say stupid, to assume that Lilly is still the same person she was and the same goes for her treatment of Clementine. She might no longer be the Lilly we remember or even care that much for Clem anymore.
My point stands: she didn't shoot Carley because she stole supplies (That's what she thought), she shot get because she got mad at her. That's no reason to shoot anyone.
Considering Lilly's actions and behaviour in Season 1 before the RV shooting incident in Episode 3, I still believe that Lilly did have the group's best interests in mind in spite of the odds against her.
Unfortunately, Lilly's mind was clouded by vengeance and paranoia over the loss of her father, her struggle to trust anyone in her group, and the motel having been overrun by walkers and bandits because of a potential traitor. This lead to her downfall, just as it potentially happens with Kenny near the end of Season 2, due to him also being blinded by vengeance over a potential crime being committed by a group member.
Even after stepping out of the RV, Lilly did try to be as civil as possible at the start of the argument, but she was reaching her breaking point and so desperately wanted to see the person who had a part in the bandit attack pay for what they had done to the group. If Lee tries to cover for the culprit, Lilly immediately shuts it down and recognizes that Lee cares too much about Clementine to compromise her safety by making deals with bandits behind everyone's back.
By the time she had shot Carley (who she had suspected to be the culprit), or Doug (who she had accidentally killed when trying to kill Ben), she realized that she had made a horrible mistake that she'll never take back. Right at that point, her association with her group she had tried her hardest to protect was rendered meaningless, her already low reputation has plummeted, and all of her efforts and her sacrifices she had endured was all for naught.
Next, Lilly is either abandoned by what was once her group with the traitor still among them, or she is taken hostage by them and with the dread of being executed hanging over her head, all while Ben, the true culprit, points a gun at her.
Lilly's decision to steal the RV was likely fueled by her fear of being executed or tortured over her mistake, and perhaps also out of anger towards the people who she had tried her best to protect, had ended up robbing her of everything that she had instead. She allows Lee and Kenny in the drug store, and one or both of them kills her father. She allows Ben to stay in spite of her insistence that the group should look out for themselves, and he repays this act by stealing from her and making deals with bandits, which had led to the destruction of the motel that everyone worked hard to maintain.
While what she did was wrong I still firmly believe that up to the RV incident, Lilly did care about her group, enough that it had eventually drove her to madness. And since she is confirmed to return in Season 4, having her portrayed as a child-murdering lunatic would be an insult to her character.
Technically, not your choice. Right now you play as Clementine, back then you were Lee. My theory is this - Lilly, no matter our choice in Season 1, will be pissed at Lee and the group. I think she might still blame them for her fathers death.
Now with Clementine... it might be a bit complicated. She was only 9 years old so in TFS Lilly might be just indifferent towards her. Like, recognize that they have a past but it means nothing to her at this point and Clem might as well be a stranger to her. Given it's been 8 years, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Technically, not your choice. Right now you play as Clementine, back then you were Lee. My theory is this - Lilly, no matter our choice in S… moreeason 1, will be pissed at Lee and the group. I think she might still blame them for her fathers death.
Now with Clementine... it might be a bit complicated. She was only 9 years old so in TFS Lilly might be just indifferent towards her. Like, recognize that they have a past but it means nothing to her at this point and Clem might as well be a stranger to her. Given it's been 8 years, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Kenny opens his home to Clem and her group, loses an eye for her, talks Rebecca through AJ's birth, and if you don't kill him he gets you to Wellington and is willing to sacrifice his own safety so the kids can stay. Lilly did basically nothing for Clem compared to Kenny.
Anyways I'm done debating this. Your points about Lilly and Kenny are off point and it's silly that you're even pointing the finger at Kenny in order to divert attention away from Lilly and the things she's done.
In every post after that, you argue how Lilly's actions are the antithesis of taking care of Clementine as opposed to Kenny.
Post 2966216 has you saying that Kenny apologizes for verbally abusing Clementine (episodes 4 and 5) and making it up to her in the future. This is true from Jane's death onwards.
Same post, 2966216, you state that Lilly kills a valued member of the motor inn group in front of Clementine. Of course, she probably didn't think about scarring the other group members when she wanted revenge for stealing the group's supplies/Carley backsassing Lilly. You also say that Lilly is devoid of remorse. I argue that, in comment 2966227, this isn't true because she admits to Lee that Doug's fatality was an accident because he put himself in her line of shot at Ben. It is visible in the difference in expression between her shooting Doug and her shooting Carley. Your retort to THAT in post 2966234 was that she was aiming for a kid (Ben). Who she thought was the traitor. Do I advocate shooting anyone in this scenario? No, especially because Ben (the traitor) is someone who, while we didn't know back when it happened, was tricked by the bandits into stealing supplies and idiotically neglected to tell the group that they were forced by the bandits into hostage threat. Alongside that, you imply that Lilly shooting a kid means that she is a bad caretaker for Clementine when, in fact, you ALSO share Kenny's viewpoint on brutalizing, in Jane's words, a kid (Arvo) in this thread ( https://telltale.com/community/discussion/81706/fuck-arvo-that-fucker ) by "cut[ting] off arvo’s toe nails, pull[ing] out his teeth" (post 2883715), "shoot[ing] him in the shoulder... just for the irony," and "want[ing] tt to give us the option to stick our thumb in his wound just for the satisfaction" (post 2883781).
Also in relation to the point, you mention that she killed Clementine's friend (Ben, post 2966234). Clementine doesn't refer to him as a friend until episode 4, by which time Lilly has already left the group (if she's not already stalking them).
How is me being anti-AJ being anti-kid? I was the forums biggest defender of Gabe, I used to defend AJ to the death until he turned into a l… moreittle shit, I still continue to defend both Duck and Ben and Clementine is my favourite character. When are you actually going to start presenting actual proof to your claims or can I get back to whatever the hell I was just doing?
Should I be embarassed that I'm just skimming through these without bothering to understand the arguments because there's so damn much repitition? Also, I'm truly dissapointed with how Lily is being rude still. You'd think someone like her wouldn't get along well in groups, that she'd want to be leader and life wouldn't accept her, but no, she fits perfectly with her newfound friendos!
Should I be embarassed that I'm just skimming through these without bothering to understand the arguments because there's so damn much repit… moreition? Also, I'm truly dissapointed with how Lily is being rude still. You'd think someone like her wouldn't get along well in groups, that she'd want to be leader and life wouldn't accept her, but no, she fits perfectly with her newfound friendos!
Should I be embarassed that I'm just skimming through these without bothering to understand the arguments because there's so damn much repit… moreition? Also, I'm truly dissapointed with how Lily is being rude still. You'd think someone like her wouldn't get along well in groups, that she'd want to be leader and life wouldn't accept her, but no, she fits perfectly with her newfound friendos!
So, your original point was "Not sure how this is looking after Clem more than Kenny ever did..." at 3:59PM. The post in question refers to … morethe original post of this thread. https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/2966195/#Comment_2966195
In every post after that, you argue how Lilly's actions are the antithesis of taking care of Clementine as opposed to Kenny.
* Post 2966216 has you saying that Kenny apologizes for verbally abusing Clementine (episodes 4 and 5) and making it up to her in the future. This is true from Jane's death onwards.
* Same post, 2966216, you state that Lilly kills a valued member of the motor inn group in front of Clementine. Of course, she probably didn't think about scarring the other group members when she wanted revenge for stealing the group's supplies/Carley backsassing Lilly. You also say that Lilly is devoid of remorse. I argue that, in comment 2966227, this isn't true because she admits to … [view original content]
Man, I can already feel the headaches that I'll get from Ep2 discussion. As if the shipping wars were bad enough, this is going to be on another level. The forums won't be a safe place for positive and constructive/interesting discussion, it will be submerged with Lily haters and lovers, reminding me of a similiar time some 4 years ago...
Guys, keep discussions about Lily in discussions about Lily, don't let it plague other discussions like what happened with Marlon/AJ stuff. Thank You.
Should I be embarassed that I'm just skimming through these without bothering to understand the arguments because there's so damn much repitition?
No, you're actually doing the smart thing.
In S1 she was nice to Clementine like everyone else in the group, then she became crazy and lunatic after Larry's death. I mean if i ever witness my father dying like that, I dont even know what my reaction will be, probably I would try to kill the murderer on the spot.
Ye she stole that RV leaving everybody on foot, but earlier she was 1) handcuffed and kept at gunpoint by Ben or 2) kicked away from the group, that was pretty much a death sentence.
She was justified for doing that more than the betrayal of Mike and Bonnie with the complicity of Arvo, trying to steal all the supplies and that car leaving Clementine, Kenny, Jane and an infant without nothing.
In the end I watched the trailer because I was reading from the titles of the threads that Lilly is returning, even though it was very predictable from the story builder before Episode 1.
I don't think Clementine and Lilly are agaisnt each others, Clementine saw lot of bad stuff since she saw Lilly killing Doug or Carley, and she knows what people can do when they lose everything they have (Lilly always said that the only real person she had was his father).
We saw Kenny becoming crazy after his family and Sarita's death, even Clementine guardian Lee murdered a man in a moment of anger.
What Lilly said in the trailer is the truth, you have more chances of dying when you have to protect someone, I dont think this was a threat or something, she was being honest because I think she wont be an antagonist, I think she said that because she didnt want Clementine to die.
I'm sure she did (at least when she was mentally stable) but when all is said and done, did she really have much more to do with Clementine than Kenny did back then? Just like Kenny there were a few mentions of her here and there and a couple of interactions between them that weren't really all that memorable. It doesn't mean the friendship is forced or whatever if they end up being friends now.
Yeah, I’m not writing freaking essays cos I just woke up so how about I keep it sweet and simple and say that you can’t defend Lilly for shooting Cafley or Doug because Carley was straight up murder, and aiming for one of Clementine’s friends isn’t helping your argument for being the better caretaker for her.
Now, about the Arvo thing, I’ve said in the past that I wanted to do the same thing for AJ. Doesn’t mean that I actually want to do it to him, I just share a severe hatred for the kid, and he is actually in the wrong because he tried to murder a child, steal from her group (even if she was innocent) and to top all that he got Luke killed, arguably the best and most developed cabin survivor. So any over the top feelings about him are completely valid, though I do admit I want to kill him, it doesn’t mean I’m anti-kid. That’s exactly like saying that I choose to kill people every time when given the option, and being anti-adult, it makes no sense.
Allllsooo, how does Clementine not referring to Ben as a friend until episode four mean that they weren’t friends in episode three. Wanna know how long the bell tower scene was after Carley/Doug’s murder? About two days, days in which Clementine wasn’t seen interacting with Ben much.
Might as well convey a small point, that may or may not be true, and that is that the boot on Clementine’s head is probably Lilly’s.
So, your original point was "Not sure how this is looking after Clem more than Kenny ever did..." at 3:59PM. The post in question refers to … morethe original post of this thread. https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/2966195/#Comment_2966195
In every post after that, you argue how Lilly's actions are the antithesis of taking care of Clementine as opposed to Kenny.
* Post 2966216 has you saying that Kenny apologizes for verbally abusing Clementine (episodes 4 and 5) and making it up to her in the future. This is true from Jane's death onwards.
* Same post, 2966216, you state that Lilly kills a valued member of the motor inn group in front of Clementine. Of course, she probably didn't think about scarring the other group members when she wanted revenge for stealing the group's supplies/Carley backsassing Lilly. You also say that Lilly is devoid of remorse. I argue that, in comment 2966227, this isn't true because she admits to … [view original content]
Likeeee why do people are even complaining about this shit? People here are sain "she didnt care for Clem all over S1"... Like whaaat? She cared for Clem more in her Three episodes, than Kenny in Five xD
You can say the same about the people complaining that she isn't bad and that she's good. Maybe it's because she's a backstabbing murderer that didn't give a shit about anyone, you know how we know this? because of the actions she committed on screen. In the 3 Episodes you claim she cared more Clem than Kenny did, in those 3 episodes, she was willing to let her get eaten(E1) and abandoned her out in the open(E3), yeah she's a real caring person.
She was the leader of Motor Inn. group and she cared for all of people, expecially kids. She cared for everyone to be safe.
The RV incident strongly disagrees with you on this. Just because you are a leader, doesn't mean you are caring person, Carver was a leader, was he a caring person? fuck no. It's your actions that count, not your status.
She keeps asking about Clementine all over the game.
in episode one she ask who she is, where is her mom.
On the saint Johns Farm she says to Lee that she will keep her safe.
When supplies are missing, she says how its danger for Clememtine`s health.
Aaaandddd looots of other dialoges and actions.
So she asked questions about her, doesn't mean anything, she was willing to let her get eaten 5 minutes earlier but as long as she asks questions, questions count right?
She watched her for a couple minutes, doesn't make her babysitter of the year
The only reason she brought up Clementine health is to convince Lee to investigate
3.She is giving her hair things for sleeping. Clem still has them, and for a looong time she carried Lilly's backpack.
These "hair thingies" must be popular amongst Lilly's fanbase, probably the 100th time someone brought them up. Lilly can leave Clem for dead, shoot her in the leg, burn the school down, murder AJ but as long as she gave her hair thingies, it's all fine, right?
4.Scenes on Linda's from bandits group camera with Lilly Talking and smiling to Clem seems like they had a good contact!
One time you see her interact with Clem for about 2 minutes, again, this does not mean anything. Clem seems to enjoy her conversation with the Stranger but we ain't gonna count that as him caring.
So yeah, actually there was a LOT more Lilly and Clem contact and good moments that with Kenny, Katjaa, Ben, Carley or Doug! I can easly say that in the Motor inn. times Lee, Duck and Lilly were her closest persons.
So they were close because she asked questions about her, gave her meaningless hair pieces and had a brief conversation?
And yeah, Lilly snaped, she killed Carley and left the group. Clem remembered her as a someone who had their breakdown and she propably will look at Lilly kn S04E02 as a crazy one... But still, they had a good realtionship, which can comeback or even become better.
Clem will remember her as the monster that killed a kind person in cold blood and left a group that consisted of people that Clem cared about for dead.
I am Talking about her and Clem relationship, not about her being good or bad person. They relations were good, and Lilly had more contact and concern about her than Kenny in Season One.
Aaan again, what would Clem remember her as a monster? Remember when She was shot by Arvo, and in a dream we can say that "she was just sad cuz of her dad" and that made her crazy and when Lee asks about leaving her behind, and if they should do this, Clem can easly and with no doubt answer "No."
Likeeee why do people are even complaining about this shit? People here are sain "she didnt care for Clem all over S1"... Like whaaat? She c… moreared for Clem more in her Three episodes, than Kenny in Five xD
You can say the same about the people complaining that she isn't bad and that she's good. Maybe it's because she's a backstabbing murderer that didn't give a shit about anyone, you know how we know this? because of the actions she committed on screen. In the 3 Episodes you claim she cared more Clem than Kenny did, in those 3 episodes, she was willing to let her get eaten(E1) and abandoned her out in the open(E3), yeah she's a real caring person.
She was the leader of Motor Inn. group and she cared for all of people, expecially kids. She cared for everyone to be safe.
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I love how people are still defending Lily after Telltale literally put this in the trailer description...
“and a ghost from Clementin… moree's past will soon return to threaten her future..."
Like just give up dog, she’s the antagonist, she was a bitch... and still is a bitch...
Kenny’s been around for 9 episodes. 11 if you include the ANF flashbacks. Lily only had 3. We’d have a lot more to talk about if we’d have been exposed to them for equal stretches of time but we haven’t. So of course Kenny fans have the advantage here.
And that ghost from the past? Could be the what happened at the ranch. Lily and the Ranch are both being really pushed here, and both are ‘ghosts’.
Lilly is a villain though, Telltale, in the description of the trailer, wrote: "a ghost from Clementine's past will soon return to threaten her future"
I am Talking about her and Clem relationship, not about her being good or bad person.
We are talking about whether she was good to Clem or not. I already answered each of the points you made and how I disagree with them.
They relations were good, and Lilly had more contact and concern about her than Kenny in Season One.
So you keep saying. Hair thingies, the one time we see them both interacting or anytime she mentions Clem isn't enough to prove that she had concern for Clem especially since she was heartless enough to rob the RV and leave her stranded.
Aaan again, what would Clem remember her as a monster?
I said it my last comment, her shooting dead an innocent person and stealing the RV.
Remember when She was shot by Arvo, and in a dream we can say that "she was just sad cuz of her dad" and that made her crazy and when Lee asks about leaving her behind, and if they should do this, Clem can easly and with no doubt answer "No."
You do know Clem answering "No" is a choice option? not to mention, she was still little back then.
I am Talking about her and Clem relationship, not about her being good or bad person. They relations were good, and Lilly had more contact a… morend concern about her than Kenny in Season One.
Aaan again, what would Clem remember her as a monster? Remember when She was shot by Arvo, and in a dream we can say that "she was just sad cuz of her dad" and that made her crazy and when Lee asks about leaving her behind, and if they should do this, Clem can easly and with no doubt answer "No."
I just hope they don’t pull an Arvo and MAKE OUR SEASON ONE CHOICES MATTER!!! I sided with Lilly in season 1 all the way through and she protected clem. And didn’t leave her behind so she has no reason to hate Clem tbh
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Still?
Well, good luck with that, I guess.
Bro, if someone's a traitor in the group do you just shoot them in the head ?
Oh a guy from our group went to the concert with some other guys ? Hol' up lemme grab my Glock.
She didn't shoot anyone because she thought they were a traitor or whatever, she shot Carley because she was mad as heck after Carly stood up for herself and wanted to shoot Ben because... why exactly ? First she wants to kick him, fair enough let's say he deserves it but why shoot him a second later ? Because, you guessed it, she was mad.
You don't just shoot people you don't like, that goes double for when you are in the apocalypse where you need to stick together.
Aren't you anti-kid?
Also communist, don't forget communist!
She'd been suspecting Carley ever since they left the motor inn. I admit, I wouldn't just shoot a traitor, but Lilly told Lee that she believed anyone stealing supplies from the group is equivalent to a murderer.
To people saying that Lilly would have NO reason to suddenly be completely against Clementine since she cared for her in Season 1. Guys... if you hadn't noticed, based on timeline, they've seen each other last almost 8 years prior to the events of TFS.
I mean, look how much Clementine has changed since then. It's stupid, I say stupid, to assume that Lilly is still the same person she was and the same goes for her treatment of Clementine. She might no longer be the Lilly we remember or even care that much for Clem anymore.
I realize that, hence why part of why I haven't been saying too much on the matter.
With that said, it just feels rather forced in the context of the trailer, with the catch being that it's trailer.
How is me being anti-AJ being anti-kid? I was the forums biggest defender of Gabe, I used to defend AJ to the death until he turned into a little shit, I still continue to defend both Duck and Ben and Clementine is my favourite character. When are you actually going to start presenting actual proof to your claims or can I get back to whatever the hell I was just doing?
My point stands: she didn't shoot Carley because she stole supplies (That's what she thought), she shot get because she got mad at her. That's no reason to shoot anyone.
Good point, and I wouldn't mind if that's the case.
Hopefully, though, she'd be determinant. I don't want my choices to go to waste
Fair enough.
Considering Lilly's actions and behaviour in Season 1 before the RV shooting incident in Episode 3, I still believe that Lilly did have the group's best interests in mind in spite of the odds against her.
Unfortunately, Lilly's mind was clouded by vengeance and paranoia over the loss of her father, her struggle to trust anyone in her group, and the motel having been overrun by walkers and bandits because of a potential traitor. This lead to her downfall, just as it potentially happens with Kenny near the end of Season 2, due to him also being blinded by vengeance over a potential crime being committed by a group member.
Even after stepping out of the RV, Lilly did try to be as civil as possible at the start of the argument, but she was reaching her breaking point and so desperately wanted to see the person who had a part in the bandit attack pay for what they had done to the group. If Lee tries to cover for the culprit, Lilly immediately shuts it down and recognizes that Lee cares too much about Clementine to compromise her safety by making deals with bandits behind everyone's back.
By the time she had shot Carley (who she had suspected to be the culprit), or Doug (who she had accidentally killed when trying to kill Ben), she realized that she had made a horrible mistake that she'll never take back. Right at that point, her association with her group she had tried her hardest to protect was rendered meaningless, her already low reputation has plummeted, and all of her efforts and her sacrifices she had endured was all for naught.
Next, Lilly is either abandoned by what was once her group with the traitor still among them, or she is taken hostage by them and with the dread of being executed hanging over her head, all while Ben, the true culprit, points a gun at her.
Lilly's decision to steal the RV was likely fueled by her fear of being executed or tortured over her mistake, and perhaps also out of anger towards the people who she had tried her best to protect, had ended up robbing her of everything that she had instead. She allows Lee and Kenny in the drug store, and one or both of them kills her father. She allows Ben to stay in spite of her insistence that the group should look out for themselves, and he repays this act by stealing from her and making deals with bandits, which had led to the destruction of the motel that everyone worked hard to maintain.
While what she did was wrong I still firmly believe that up to the RV incident, Lilly did care about her group, enough that it had eventually drove her to madness. And since she is confirmed to return in Season 4, having her portrayed as a child-murdering lunatic would be an insult to her character.
Technically, not your choice. Right now you play as Clementine, back then you were Lee. My theory is this - Lilly, no matter our choice in Season 1, will be pissed at Lee and the group. I think she might still blame them for her fathers death.
Now with Clementine... it might be a bit complicated. She was only 9 years old so in TFS Lilly might be just indifferent towards her. Like, recognize that they have a past but it means nothing to her at this point and Clem might as well be a stranger to her. Given it's been 8 years, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Lilly mentioned Lee tho
And that is relevant to this discussion because...?
With all due respect, this is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.
This.
Kenny opens his home to Clem and her group, loses an eye for her, talks Rebecca through AJ's birth, and if you don't kill him he gets you to Wellington and is willing to sacrifice his own safety so the kids can stay. Lilly did basically nothing for Clem compared to Kenny.
Anyways I'm done debating this. Your points about Lilly and Kenny are off point and it's silly that you're even pointing the finger at Kenny in order to divert attention away from Lilly and the things she's done.
Sorry, I readed your comment wrong
So, your original point was "Not sure how this is looking after Clem more than Kenny ever did..." at 3:59PM. The post in question refers to the original post of this thread. https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/2966195/#Comment_2966195
In every post after that, you argue how Lilly's actions are the antithesis of taking care of Clementine as opposed to Kenny.
Every other point you made was valid. (mic drop)
Should I be embarassed that I'm just skimming through these without bothering to understand the arguments because there's so damn much repitition? Also, I'm truly dissapointed with how Lily is being rude still. You'd think someone like her wouldn't get along well in groups, that she'd want to be leader and life wouldn't accept her, but no, she fits perfectly with her newfound friendos!
I'm also doing that
No, you're actually doing the smart thing.
That... Was.... Awesome! So I give you my Awesome! (Ok I'll stop it's a Like)
Man, I can already feel the headaches that I'll get from Ep2 discussion. As if the shipping wars were bad enough, this is going to be on another level. The forums won't be a safe place for positive and constructive/interesting discussion, it will be submerged with Lily haters and lovers, reminding me of a similiar time some 4 years ago...
Guys, keep discussions about Lily in discussions about Lily, don't let it plague other discussions like what happened with Marlon/AJ stuff. Thank You.
In S1 she was nice to Clementine like everyone else in the group, then she became crazy and lunatic after Larry's death. I mean if i ever witness my father dying like that, I dont even know what my reaction will be, probably I would try to kill the murderer on the spot.
Ye she stole that RV leaving everybody on foot, but earlier she was 1) handcuffed and kept at gunpoint by Ben or 2) kicked away from the group, that was pretty much a death sentence.
She was justified for doing that more than the betrayal of Mike and Bonnie with the complicity of Arvo, trying to steal all the supplies and that car leaving Clementine, Kenny, Jane and an infant without nothing.
In the end I watched the trailer because I was reading from the titles of the threads that Lilly is returning, even though it was very predictable from the story builder before Episode 1.
I don't think Clementine and Lilly are agaisnt each others, Clementine saw lot of bad stuff since she saw Lilly killing Doug or Carley, and she knows what people can do when they lose everything they have (Lilly always said that the only real person she had was his father).
We saw Kenny becoming crazy after his family and Sarita's death, even Clementine guardian Lee murdered a man in a moment of anger.
What Lilly said in the trailer is the truth, you have more chances of dying when you have to protect someone, I dont think this was a threat or something, she was being honest because I think she wont be an antagonist, I think she said that because she didnt want Clementine to die.
And now she might try to kill her 8 years later. Spooky.
I'm sure she did (at least when she was mentally stable) but when all is said and done, did she really have much more to do with Clementine than Kenny did back then? Just like Kenny there were a few mentions of her here and there and a couple of interactions between them that weren't really all that memorable. It doesn't mean the friendship is forced or whatever if they end up being friends now.
I love how people are still defending Lily after Telltale literally put this in the trailer description...
Like just give up dog, she’s the antagonist, she was a bitch... and still is a bitch...
Cough Wellington ending Cough
People just love to forget that one don’t they...
And yea it’s S2 but it still is cannon and it’s still Kenny’s character so don’t give me that “we’re only taking about S1” crap.
Yeah, I’m not writing freaking essays cos I just woke up so how about I keep it sweet and simple and say that you can’t defend Lilly for shooting Cafley or Doug because Carley was straight up murder, and aiming for one of Clementine’s friends isn’t helping your argument for being the better caretaker for her.
Now, about the Arvo thing, I’ve said in the past that I wanted to do the same thing for AJ. Doesn’t mean that I actually want to do it to him, I just share a severe hatred for the kid, and he is actually in the wrong because he tried to murder a child, steal from her group (even if she was innocent) and to top all that he got Luke killed, arguably the best and most developed cabin survivor. So any over the top feelings about him are completely valid, though I do admit I want to kill him, it doesn’t mean I’m anti-kid. That’s exactly like saying that I choose to kill people every time when given the option, and being anti-adult, it makes no sense.
Allllsooo, how does Clementine not referring to Ben as a friend until episode four mean that they weren’t friends in episode three. Wanna know how long the bell tower scene was after Carley/Doug’s murder? About two days, days in which Clementine wasn’t seen interacting with Ben much.
Might as well convey a small point, that may or may not be true, and that is that the boot on Clementine’s head is probably Lilly’s.
You can say the same about the people complaining that she isn't bad and that she's good. Maybe it's because she's a backstabbing murderer that didn't give a shit about anyone, you know how we know this? because of the actions she committed on screen. In the 3 Episodes you claim she cared more Clem than Kenny did, in those 3 episodes, she was willing to let her get eaten(E1) and abandoned her out in the open(E3), yeah she's a real caring person.
The RV incident strongly disagrees with you on this. Just because you are a leader, doesn't mean you are caring person, Carver was a leader, was he a caring person? fuck no. It's your actions that count, not your status.
These "hair thingies" must be popular amongst Lilly's fanbase, probably the 100th time someone brought them up. Lilly can leave Clem for dead, shoot her in the leg, burn the school down, murder AJ but as long as she gave her hair thingies, it's all fine, right?
One time you see her interact with Clem for about 2 minutes, again, this does not mean anything. Clem seems to enjoy her conversation with the Stranger but we ain't gonna count that as him caring.
So they were close because she asked questions about her, gave her meaningless hair pieces and had a brief conversation?
Clem will remember her as the monster that killed a kind person in cold blood and left a group that consisted of people that Clem cared about for dead.
I am Talking about her and Clem relationship, not about her being good or bad person. They relations were good, and Lilly had more contact and concern about her than Kenny in Season One.
Aaan again, what would Clem remember her as a monster? Remember when She was shot by Arvo, and in a dream we can say that "she was just sad cuz of her dad" and that made her crazy and when Lee asks about leaving her behind, and if they should do this, Clem can easly and with no doubt answer "No."
Finally someone said it. It's starting to annoy me.
Kenny’s been around for 9 episodes. 11 if you include the ANF flashbacks. Lily only had 3. We’d have a lot more to talk about if we’d have been exposed to them for equal stretches of time but we haven’t. So of course Kenny fans have the advantage here.
And that ghost from the past? Could be the what happened at the ranch. Lily and the Ranch are both being really pushed here, and both are ‘ghosts’.
You annoy me.
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Lilly is a villain though, Telltale, in the description of the trailer, wrote: "a ghost from Clementine's past will soon return to threaten her future"
We are talking about whether she was good to Clem or not. I already answered each of the points you made and how I disagree with them.
So you keep saying. Hair thingies, the one time we see them both interacting or anytime she mentions Clem isn't enough to prove that she had concern for Clem especially since she was heartless enough to rob the RV and leave her stranded.
I said it my last comment, her shooting dead an innocent person and stealing the RV.
You do know Clem answering "No" is a choice option? not to mention, she was still little back then.
I just hope they don’t pull an Arvo and MAKE OUR SEASON ONE CHOICES MATTER!!! I sided with Lilly in season 1 all the way through and she protected clem. And didn’t leave her behind so she has no reason to hate Clem tbh