The new games will never live up to the originals.
Why? Mostly because you're older.
A lot of people here LOVE the first two Monkey Island games and I would have to agree with them; they're great games. However, my favorite game is Curse because, well, I started with Curse. I have a good feeling that the first game you play will beat out the others due to the nostalgia factor, and the notion that games are more enthralling when you're younger. To play the previous two I waited years before I found them in a vintage pack of LucasArts games.
You could probably write an equation for it. Fun = Quality / abs[13 - Age].
Fun would be maximized around Age 13...still young enough to really enjoy games but not too young to be confused on the puzzles or understand the jokes.
I believe all the MI games had great quality and would then be a toss up based on when you played them. As for EMI, the departure from clickable items to "Guybrush head-turners", along with the convulted plot made that game a little less exciting than the three. I'd still argue it's a good game though, and had it been my first I'd enjoy it a lot more.
A lot of people here LOVE the first two Monkey Island games and I would have to agree with them; they're great games. However, my favorite game is Curse because, well, I started with Curse. I have a good feeling that the first game you play will beat out the others due to the nostalgia factor, and the notion that games are more enthralling when you're younger. To play the previous two I waited years before I found them in a vintage pack of LucasArts games.
You could probably write an equation for it. Fun = Quality / abs[13 - Age].
Fun would be maximized around Age 13...still young enough to really enjoy games but not too young to be confused on the puzzles or understand the jokes.
I believe all the MI games had great quality and would then be a toss up based on when you played them. As for EMI, the departure from clickable items to "Guybrush head-turners", along with the convulted plot made that game a little less exciting than the three. I'd still argue it's a good game though, and had it been my first I'd enjoy it a lot more.
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You disagree yet you wish adventure games would go back to the way they used to be? Ok...
I'm not saying I don't enjoy games as much now...they just aren't as captivating when you're younger, have much more free time, and a greater imagination.
Then I suggest you turn your computer off, sit in a corner, close your eyes and imagine away. You'll have more fun, and it will be alot cheaper!
I've been playing computer games since there were computer games, and I try not to let a sense of "Old Fogeyism" set in. Where I'm sitting on my rocking chair and scowling at the younger fellas and their 'new' games, "Kids today! You don't know what fun is!"
You're taking it a bit too far...you don't need to get ridiculous. It's common sense that kids have a more active imagination than adults. I guess you can pretend they don't though?
Also, most people here will hopefully admit they put some of their past games up on a unreachable pedestal. For instance, in my case, Goldeneye's multiplayer experience is unbeatable. Is it actually unbeatable? Of course not. However, I can't go back to that age having an all-nighter playing it with friends. Fun times with great nostalgia.
I still enjoy games a lot, which is why I'm playing Tales. Curse was just my first big adventure game experience, and it's unbeatable in that sense. I also assume if I had played MI1 and MI2 before Curse I might have liked those games better as well. People here have said Curse didn't live up to those games...I never had any expectations going in.
I'm NOT saying games are less rewarding now than they were, it's just a different experience. I'm saying that those first games you play are just harder to top based on your first experiences with them.
I have to allocate my hours in a day for personal time now and it sucks but hey it's apart of life. I'm still enjoying these games, regardless. Just in a differant way.
But at age 13, you'd be dividing by zero, causing the universe to implode. Your formula is mathematically impossible.
Fun = Quality * (1.13 - Age/100) would be a better formula
(That is, assuming a domain of Age >= 13)
If anything is gonna beat the old games, it's Telltale. They made sam and max better than the original, and they're gonna do it with monkey island too.
There's no arguing the fact that great games you play when you're younger will always SEEM to be better than they actually are.
For example, when I was a kid, I thought Labyrinth was an amazing film. I watched it a few years ago and wanted to break the DVD in half and throw it in the sewer so no one would ever be subjected to it again.
Your tastes change when you grow up.
I guess I'm the exception that confirms the rule ;P
You are arguing that your taste and preferences in entertainment will change as you grow up. That is of course the case, but it has very little to do with nostalgia. Some pieces of entertainment, like Labyrinth, are made to cater to a very specific age group, and can thus seem like a fantastic movie when you are 10, but a disasterous one when you are 30.
However, there is no relevant connection between this and the quality variations within the Monkey Island franchise.
Anyway, I played MI in the "correct" order, and still like Curse the best, although I played it much later than Secret and Revenge. So much for your theory.
NYAAAAAAAA!!! No it's not!! x333
seriously though, I loved King's Quest VII when I was 5, I remember drawing a death scene of princess Rosella and showed it to my teacher >__>
the thing is, I totally loved the whole PnC atmosphere that game brought forth, even at that age, in my teen years I got my hands on CMI and a few years ago I played some Discworld. They're all awesome! The genre never gets boring and keeps making me enthousiastic
so JEAH!!
Now I quote myself, because I've got a reason for buying a Nintendo DS now! LOL
http://www.giana-sisters.com/
Quite ironic since Nintendo actually made law suits against the giana sisters developers back in the old days because it resembled too much of Mario Brothers. Hence, the game got drawn back from the shelves almost immediately after it was released.
Sorry for being off topic
/Daniel
Some people started the series when they were 15-17 some people for all we know 30 years old. You use words like "never" you start to take into consideration limitations and absolutes. You post over all can start to become a bit fanatical. You've given you're reasons and they've been age..^ but there's more...
Majority speaking, I don't know how much the youth of the World plays these "new" games and how much they enjoy them it's not a fraction, a number, statistic, I'm aware of. At any rate everything has to take place in its own time and everything has its own merits and flaws in that time. There are still young people being made these days...
You do address your focus, audience early on but you make the assumption that most people you're speaking to or that will be inspired to post in your thread played the first 4 when they were around 13 years old. I was about 16 years old when I started the series.
For most people over all in a normative life when you're only 13 years old or younger A LOT to possibly MOST things are more fun and laid back.
Also they are interesting and "new". Using that as a direct rather than obscure reference to over view the quality of future games and present games is as bad as saying ;
"Playing with action figures was more fun back in the day. Action figures won't ever live up to what they used to be!"
or "Coloring in coloring books won't ever be as much fun as it used to be! I'm throwing them away!"
^ When considering the fun factor in that light.
The games have ALWAYS been intended for youngsters and older persons...still are as in always...
It's a refusal to intellectually mature and learn to comprehend things further along than before more than anything else to say something like that. It's not at all functional. I probably get more of the humor in these games and enjoy them for all their good qualities and better comprehend what actually goes into a quality game.
Of course the experience and how I'm humored has been matured and moderated but that doesn't mean that the first 4 games were drop dead hilarious or ultimately better than the new games. I did laugh at all 4 games but that's sort of expected at that age, these games probably encompass ages 6-106...same as always...
You say you'd like EMI more if you had played it first I wonder what would happen if you played Tales first.
Youtube it, please.
You probably won't, because by then no one will still be making hot dog buns like they used to.
It would be possible to release a Monkey Island game that I would like better than the old ones... it would just be really difficult.
For instance - many of my favourite games were released when I was in my very late teens, or even later.
And many of the games I used to love to death as a kid, I no longer like very much (first three Kings Quest games for instance).
lol they're even better. At this rate they're gonna top Curse.
Give it time, wait for the last chapter. THEN it will be the greatest game ever.
I hope there's a song in the credits.......
Oddly enough, the Monkey Island games age very well. I replayed MI2 last month and it has held up very well. I forgot how good the music was, and the graphics still look pretty good.
I am enjoying Tales and it certainly does feel like Monkey Island (Chapter 1 more-so then Chapter 2) and that is important but I'd lying if I said I thought it was the best in the series. It is damn good to have MI back though, damn good.
Just finished Dagger of Amon Ra for the first time in years, and it still looks (and sounds, if you have an MT-32) pretty damn good.
And of course the game itself is awesome.
Oooh, I loved me some Sierra games. I played 'em all. Space Quest, King's Quest, Police Quest, Spam Quest, Hero Quest, Quest Quest and even Lobster thermidor aux crevettes with a mornay sauce garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and with a fried egg on top with Spam Quest. I'd love to see someone restart the Hero Quest/Quest For Glory Series. I loved those games. Sigh.:(
And the Williams family (Who started Sierra) were very friendly and down-to-earth. I heard they even threw a big party with all these top computer peeps and even took them white water rafting, Bill Gates even came along.
I think there are many factors. But in no way I agree that you should stop enjoy what you like because you get older. It's like saying, well, I'm not in my 20s anymore, so I shouldn't read more books and just kill all my imagination and creativity because it serves no purpose in this world. Fun and entertainment are for childish and inmature people.
I play since I was about 4 when videogames started and I don't feel like stoping. If there are moments I enjoy games less it's more due to the industry and economic landscape. That's probably why we get the feel we won't enjoy MI games as much as before. Because now there's 3d, there are episodes. Well, it may be different, but I think most will agree that Telltale has been doing an amazing job with the budget and market situation that exists now.
Don't give up games! They may have up and down as most industries, but they are still worthwhile and will give us many good surprises in the future.
My agreement was just referring to those people who complain so hard about anything post MI2, who think nothing can ever match their childhood favorites.
OMG! Is it possible that anyone likes anything more than MI2!?!
Now seriously the game may have some faults, but what makes it amazing is the fact that TSOMI was an almost perfect game IMO. MI2 was like that but better. More islands, better music (which I consider some of the best ever), beautiful scanned art... So why don't I think MI2 is as perfect as TSOMI. Because the last section was somewhat annoying with
So I see no reason for MI2 to be topped at some moment. Writers are getting better, humour is changing, technology is better. I Tales keeps getting better it could be as good or even better than MI2. It is not as impossible as people think.
In the interest of full disclosure, I should also clarify that MI1 is my favorite of the series.
Same here. more precisely, MI2, very closely followed by CMI, then MI1.
Oh ok. I agree with you there, 3D graphics are mostly unneccesary in adventure games.
Well it's not really a theory, I'm just saying some people won't give the new games a chance to be "the best" because those kid experiences are hard to beat. This thread is mostly to the people who say that MI1/MI2/Curse can't be topped...maybe in their minds they never will because of the nostalgia that goes along with them.
That's why 13 year-olds can never play games! :rolleyes:
Haha yeah, it was a dry-run formula, but you get where I'm coming from.
But I genuinly believe that the quality of the writer and the hours put in per worker times the number of workers was higher in MI 2 and MI 3 than in the other games.
Yeah, don't forgot Simon the sorcerer! A pretty darn good game; and also one of the first (or was it _the_ first?) point and click adventure game I ever played and finished..
Nostalgia!