It was so-so. I enjoyed it for what it was, but it wasn't my favorite. I didn't think the romance between Javi and Kate worked very well. The story had a lot staked on that. All in all, a lot of the characters just didn't quite work. They threw out the intimate story for a more action-packed, blockbuster deal. That hurt it a lot because I don't think that's what Telltale is(was) good at. All the value is in the story, and it was lacking in this game. (Want to ride on a bulldozer shooting zombies with a machine gun by pushing 'E' over and over?
No? How come!?)
Well in that case Louis is just another Omid. They're both funny characters and use humor to cope with their situation, so basically the exact same.
(Pssst, That actually aren't, I'm just proving how stupid that argument is. Just because characters share a similar trait doesnt mean they're the same character)
All season 2 endings were made completely defunct. No matter whether clem was at wellington or on the road with kenny, her place in ANF is a… morelways the same. Playing as Javier wasn’t that great and the focus switching to him feels completely disjointed from S1 and S2.
The episodes being so short only undermines the quality of the story and characters. ANF is by far the most linear TWDG season, which is why it had poor sales. Truly the only moderately impactful differentiation you can have across playthroughs is killing conrad or letting him take clementine. There is hardly any reason to replay thisseason, or to even bother playing it in the first place.
Clem’s role in this game is to be bitter and lonely then find out AJ is alive, and at the end she goes looking for him. That’s all she has to do in this game whatsoever.
Most of the characters suck too. David is clearly just another kenny, while tripp and eleanor are just there. Max and … [view original content]
Open your eyes and maybe you’ll see that David’s role in this game is exactly the same as Kenny is S1 and S2. Louis’s role is completely different from omid.
Well in that case Louis is just another Omid. They're both funny characters and use humor to cope with their situation, so basically the exa… morect same.
(Pssst, That actually aren't, I'm just proving how stupid that argument is. Just because characters share a similar trait doesnt mean they're the same character)
It was very mixed for me tbh. On one hand, I loved Javier and there were parts of the story I generally liked (those being Kate and Gabe, Conrad and the choices around him, Jesus and the Clem flashbacks).
However, a lot the time there were points where actions scenes or scenes in general could have been better spent on character development, they focused more on the action without improving it and the stakes were easily the weakest of the series. I think if you can get it cheap or in a bundle I’d still play it but you could honestly watch the flashback stuff on YouTube and be fine to go to 4.
Too much of ANF happened off screen to have a real emotional impact on the player which is incredibly unfortunate. The entire past of the Garcia family surviving on in the magic mystery van that never ran out of gas or supplies until such a point where plot demands it sort of threw everyone off from the start of it. Gabe and Marianna should have been as walker savvy as Clementine - having to scavenge for supplies.
They fell somewhere between Sarah and Luke really. It should be noted that I did like and rooted for ANF to succeed while it was releasing, as I didn't care for Season 2 at all. Playing Clementine in Season 2 made everyone else appear completely incompetent to the point where Kenny was resurrected to renew interest ( so it seemed to me. ).
I suppose the reason so many people were wanting to play as Clementine during ANF is because she was at an age where it would've finally made sense to have her as a playable character.
I wish they'd tackled it a bit differently. It seemed like a lot of missed opportunity with characters that were in as bad of need for development as Season 2's.
I originally didn't think it was THAT bad, I mean I didn't love it but I thought it was decent. However nowadays when I do a replay of the series I find myself wanting to skip ANF completely. Been going through the games from the beginning this week, I'm on S2E4 and I'm really dreading having to trudge through ANF just to get to TFS. I think the characters are very weak, I didn't care for them like I did the characters from the first two seasons. Hopefully the fact that this is my 'bad' playthrough will make it less of a chore?
To add my two cents: I´d say that wasnt THAT bad, but it was completly unnecesary. It felt more like one of those filler arcs that infest the TV series, they soemwhat connect to the main story, but not really. And you know is going nowhere.
The pacing is soemwhat awkard, things happen way too fast or are never adressed at all: Conrad´s resentment, Tripp and the prescott Raid, Tripp´s death and Eleanor, Eleanor and Tripp´s romance, Kate´s sudden guilt about Richomnd´s, etc
There were certainly problems with the characters aswell: Kate came across as needy , and while some people can emphatize with her situation in her unhappy marriage (I certainly dont) and the problem is that regardless of how many times you make a point about keeping her at a distance, she continues regardless. It feels like the games is trying to force a relantionship her without any significant buildup. Her relantionship with Gabe and Mariana also struck me as being somewhat inconsistent: A one times she is complaining about she feels like leaving them at the side of the road and how she is not "mother materiel" BUT then we are shown a flashback about how she couldnt "bear" loosing them. Is not necessarely a contradiction, but the problem is that this is never touched upon again.
David is , arguably, the most complex character of the Season: She seems to value family above all but was willing to leave them is order to persue what made him happy, he scolds Javier for not being around and being self-centered, while he is being jealous that his brother can be happy with the choices he makes. He loves Kate and his Children, but he cannot make them happy.
I think in David´s problem is that his arc wasnt completly realized: It would´ve been nice to see if he was able to folly swing one way or ther other: Fullfilling his warrior urges at the expense of the ones he love or finally settle down with the family he adores. That why his final fate , in all endings, feel lackluster. It always felt like David "attempting" something but never fully "succeding" in doing it.
Gabe contributes so little to the plot that is very hard to say good or ill against him: he lack any sort of meaningful developtment and his biggestest contributions were creating Drama by virtue of screwing up and whining about things.
Then there is "Angry" Clem, not gonna lie, I hated her in ANF, I frankly didnt see the point of her inclusion in what was supposed to be a freash new story, and the fact she had joined the ranks of the "Janes" and "Mollys": Angry, lonely and handy in a fight. There is attempt to try to matize it with her loss of AJ and that she is that way because of the loss of her "goofball"...Which the same with Molly and Jane with their respective sisters -w- . I hated the fact that the first we got to see something CLem´s eprsonality outside of our input was just that of another of "those" characters. The whole ordeal with Eli sealed the deal for me : I wasnt going to stick my neck for her.
There is plenty of thing I could touch upon: The New Frontier as a group, Joan as a bad guy, how choices were utterly irrelevant but I think you get the gist of it. ANF had its moments, specially when it focused on the Garcia Family before the outbreak. but its just not enough, not to justify the diversion from Clem´s story anyway
The only good thing in ANFT was Clem, and we didn't even play her as the main character. Kate was a hoe. They used the stupid troupe of pitting brother against brother for her tired a$$. And Javi's nephew was a little bussy.
Imma say yes because I had a lot of issues with it:
Although Javi was the only character I really liked during the season, it really should've been either we play as Clem or she isn't in the season at all. We all know who clem is so obviously most players are going to side with her rather than anything invoving Javi's family.
The bullshit "there will be multiple personalities for Clem" when all we got one and imo she felt off but yet again she lost AJ so.
Joan being a shit villain.
Gabe.
Eleanor betraying the group and then acting all surprised when it gets Tripp killed and blaming it on Javi.
Nope. people formed their verdict before it even came out and it got way too much shit from so called fans and the biased critics just like season 4 is getting. The negative acclaim of it is why telltale died. The story telling had tons of great moments, interesting characters. Side characters stepped up a bit from season 2 imo. It was better as a whole than season 2 if I had to pick.
Nope. people formed their verdict before it even came out and it got way too much shit from so called fans and the biased critics just like … moreseason 4 is getting. The negative acclaim of it is why telltale died. The story telling had tons of great moments, interesting characters. Side characters stepped up a bit from season 2 imo. It was better as a whole than season 2 if I had to pick.
Season 2 was leagues above that trash. What are you babbling about? Tripp immediately declares Javier the boss immediately after stepping out of the tunnel. Does he ask what happened to Conrad if he's not with you? You can either have that jackass with you, or choose any response that doesn't tell this retard you shot Conrad. Naturally, he doesn't question any of this, and then gets shot in episode 4/falls off a fucking bridge in episode 5. Did I miss anything?
Nope. people formed their verdict before it even came out and it got way too much shit from so called fans and the biased critics just like … moreseason 4 is getting. The negative acclaim of it is why telltale died. The story telling had tons of great moments, interesting characters. Side characters stepped up a bit from season 2 imo. It was better as a whole than season 2 if I had to pick.
Nope. people formed their verdict before it even came out and it got way too much shit from so called fans and the biased critics just like … moreseason 4 is getting. The negative acclaim of it is why telltale died. The story telling had tons of great moments, interesting characters. Side characters stepped up a bit from season 2 imo. It was better as a whole than season 2 if I had to pick.
I most love season 3 because I think Eleanor is one of the best characters of the series plot wise and with her level of depth. DUCKS FOR COVER BEFORE APPLES FLY
How could Tripp stand up to Javier. Him, Jesus and Javier had a beard war and Javier won. Once a beard war is over you lose your leadership role.
In all seriousness. I'll give my real reasonings. Season 2 had Sarah who's sole purpose was to be a pain in the ass. It had Jane and Arvo. Two useless pieces of shit used for the sole intent of causing fake friction in the group with Kenny and to make the player hate Kenny. I love Kenny. They made him out to be one big piece of shit in season 2 for the sake of pushing a narrative. Kenny was always boat god and he died boat god.
Carver is one of the best antagonists of all time. But David and Javier's unraveling episodic fued was beautifully done and the story telling in that facet of the game was as best as TT has ever done imo. David had so much depth and layers. On one hand he was a alcoholic failure but on the other hand he was a brother who did care deep inside. Fumbling with your emotions with Kate along with trying to be a brother to him was hard decision making which TT lacks at times. Combine that with Badger who was a awful son of a bitch and his death scene was among the best. And combine that with Clementine being a badass and finally coming into her own and not relying on everyone like season 2 Clem did. It led to an awesome season.
And I wasn't joking about the Eleanor part. Unpopular opinion but I like her. As a side character she has so much shit going on except for maybe Tenn nobody has interested me as a side character as much.
Season 2 was awesome don't get me wrong. But TNF was probably my second favorite season.
Season 2 was leagues above that trash. What are you babbling about? Tripp immediately declares Javier the boss immediately after stepping ou… moret of the tunnel. Does he ask what happened to Conrad if he's not with you? You can either have that jackass with you, or choose any response that doesn't tell this retard you shot Conrad. Naturally, he doesn't question any of this, and then gets shot in episode 4/falls off a fucking bridge in episode 5. Did I miss anything?
I read all your comments. And I can get the point, of both people that likes and the ones that hate it.
As I said at OP, I "liked" it. A good ride. Surely not the "best" ride. Both S1 and S2 are better, even if S2 had some big problem.
About the graphics, really I can't understand why you say are bad.
Season 1 graphics are SHIT, talking about poly-count and texture detail.
ANF changed a bit, with more polygons on screen and more refined textures. I don't get why you like more the S1 visuals.
Said that, I think that ALL the TWD seasons have graphics that are "more than enough" and fit perfectly with the "comic" style. Maybe they have some "animations problem", because of the 3D engine too outdated.
The Telltale engine is really TOO old and limited, we all agree on that.
I read all your comments. And I can get the point, of both people that likes and the ones that hate it.
As I said at OP, I "liked" it. A … moregood ride. Surely not the "best" ride. Both S1 and S2 are better, even if S2 had some big problem.
About the graphics, really I can't understand why you say are bad.
Season 1 graphics are SHIT, talking about poly-count and texture detail.
ANF changed a bit, with more polygons on screen and more refined textures. I don't get why you like more the S1 visuals.
Said that, I think that ALL the TWD seasons have graphics that are "more than enough" and fit perfectly with the "comic" style. Maybe they have some "animations problem", because of the 3D engine too outdated.
The Telltale engine is really TOO old and limited, we all agree on that.
Holy shit you actually were reasonable. I liked David, he was probably my favorite character from ANF. He was believable. Eleanor was kinda just there, she suddenly betrays everyone because reasons. And Tripp was similarly a one note character. Season 1 faced you with how you reacted to multiple characters, how you played had an impact and it drew you into that world, it made you care.
S2 worked because it slowly made Clem transition from a child listening to what to do into someone who chose for herself at the end, trying to save Sarah and Nick(they really botched that). If a game has a set path, if had to draw you in to the ending and make you feel like you were part of that. I played Lee the way I would act, by extension I did the same with Clem, and I was satisfied the way it turned out.
ANF completely destroyed how I played in favor of one personality. S1 put heavy emphasis on how we would affect Clementine. S2 put us directly in her shoes. ANF trashed all of that in favor of some kid friendly protagonist who tells people their cake is bad and thinks zombies need to know the batters up. This should have been a spinoff that wasn't advertised as a new season, I would have avoided it harder than Michonne.
I most love season 3 because I think Eleanor is one of the best characters of the series plot wise and with her level of depth. DUCKS FOR CO… moreVER BEFORE APPLES FLY
How could Tripp stand up to Javier. Him, Jesus and Javier had a beard war and Javier won. Once a beard war is over you lose your leadership role.
In all seriousness. I'll give my real reasonings. Season 2 had Sarah who's sole purpose was to be a pain in the ass. It had Jane and Arvo. Two useless pieces of shit used for the sole intent of causing fake friction in the group with Kenny and to make the player hate Kenny. I love Kenny. They made him out to be one big piece of shit in season 2 for the sake of pushing a narrative. Kenny was always boat god and he died boat god.
Carver is one of the best antagonists of all time. But David and Javier's unraveling episodic fued was beautifully done and the story telling in that facet of the game was as best as TT has ever don… [view original content]
I rather watch flies masturbate then the first episode of the Michonne series lol. It made church look like a EDM concert. We're on a boat. Now we're on a boat.... oh wait now were on a boat again. Binnoculars, Boat, looking through drawers. Boat again. Random enemy kidnapping. Boring. Boat. No depth. Then you gotta relive your creepy ghost kids giving you a guilt trip every 5 minutes. But surprisingly the last 2 episodes were good imo. But for the love of god were the 2 creepy ghost kids the biggest pain in the ass ever. Bigger pains in the ass then Ben and Sarah combined. Like leave me the hell alone. Quit it. Get out of my ear with your ghost bullshit. The only thing saving this season was a pretty decent antagonist even though he was a Carver wannabe. It did have one of the best this or that decisions ever deciding if you kill him or not really effects the story. But people kinda just died to die. It was too short to have any depth in the plot or get attatched to the characters imo. And of course Sam was hot and brilliantly complimentary to the story. And I love her. They really did Michonne dirty. I heard her comics were very good. Sam carried her plot for her imo. I wouldn't have finished without her story.
I agree about the major flaw of Season 3 being the decisions didn't really matter as much. I chose to clap Kate's cheeks and make out with her in front of David. It led to the same fight that happens if you don't. Gabe was a forced character for the sake of "Clem has a boy toy" and it was done so poorly. Season 4 hit a home run with their romancing which is why everyone loved it. When you actually put time into the characters you are romancing her with it works.
Tripp was a waste of a side character but I think TNF makes up for it with Jesus and Eleanor. They were very interesting. Eleanor may have done that betrayal at the end but she had her reasons. Her back and fourth with Javier when she was trying to heal everyone was pretty deep and stuck with me.
My main problem with Season 2 is the final battle between Kenny and Jane and the games constant attempts to make you hate Kenny. Kenny is a loose cannon. He's beating up Arvo. He's losing his mind. Yeah yeah. He's boat god. He'll always be boat god. Telltale couldn't make me think he was a piece of shit but boy did they try. I let him off Jane and he sacraficed his life for Clem at the gate. Which is my favorite ending of a season thus far. Kenny for life. 10/10 Boat god forever.
Imo episodes 1 and 2 of S2 were masterpieces and Carver was a brilliantly done antagonist. He had a lot of layers to unpack. He was a sinnister piece of shit but he was a master manipulator then of course the whole rebecca thing. His discussions with Clem are part of what molded her as a person your decisions then. But after that. The whole Arvo thing and then the russian mafia coming out because you stole Arvo's shit or something. And then Kenny spends the last 2 episodes whooping his ass some and you can't stop it worth of shit. Then the group hates him. It wasn't in Kenny's nature. He woulda beat the shit out of ben if it was. Ben got his kid and wife Killed. Kenny wasn't perfect. But he was at the least a human being. S2 made him a monster of some sort.
Holy shit you actually were reasonable. I liked David, he was probably my favorite character from ANF. He was believable. Eleanor was kinda … morejust there, she suddenly betrays everyone because reasons. And Tripp was similarly a one note character. Season 1 faced you with how you reacted to multiple characters, how you played had an impact and it drew you into that world, it made you care.
S2 worked because it slowly made Clem transition from a child listening to what to do into someone who chose for herself at the end, trying to save Sarah and Nick(they really botched that). If a game has a set path, if had to draw you in to the ending and make you feel like you were part of that. I played Lee the way I would act, by extension I did the same with Clem, and I was satisfied the way it turned out.
ANF completely destroyed how I played in favor of one personality. S1 put heavy emphasis on how we would affect Clementine. S2 put us directly in h… [view original content]
about S2, I got annoyed by that thing of forcing you to hate Kenny. I think same as you.
BUT my ending of S2 with Ken seems to fix the bad Telltale choices: it's the same as yours, a good man that pushes Clem to enter in Wellington, a sacrifice. Right choice from me.
About Michonne... I read all the comic, and believe me: it's truly a fantastic character. The Michonne season is "so-so", I don't liked the villain. I loved the "ghost sisters", because that's HOW Michonne really is. THat shows her deep problems with her past.
When people says "ANF doesn't let me make choices, and the ones I make do not change anything"
...errr.... that's Telltale mood FROM THE START of those kind of games.
BUT Season 1 was "more replayable", that's true. Choices changed very little, but it was still cool to try other ways.
I think our will to replay depends more on a good storytelling than a real possibility to make choices.
S1 had GREAT storytelling, I loved it from start to the end; all the other seasons were more weak about it.
However, despite of what I just wrote, I loved the ride from S1 to S3; could've been better? Yes, but is cool as it is.
P.s. I stil did not played TFS, because of a bug that makes the game fail to load...
I rather watch flies masturbate then the first episode of the Michonne series lol. It made church look like a EDM concert. We're on a boat.… more Now we're on a boat.... oh wait now were on a boat again. Binnoculars, Boat, looking through drawers. Boat again. Random enemy kidnapping. Boring. Boat. No depth. Then you gotta relive your creepy ghost kids giving you a guilt trip every 5 minutes. But surprisingly the last 2 episodes were good imo. But for the love of god were the 2 creepy ghost kids the biggest pain in the ass ever. Bigger pains in the ass then Ben and Sarah combined. Like leave me the hell alone. Quit it. Get out of my ear with your ghost bullshit. The only thing saving this season was a pretty decent antagonist even though he was a Carver wannabe. It did have one of the best this or that decisions ever deciding if you kill him or not really effects the story. But people kinda just died to die. It was too short t… [view original content]
I most love season 3 because I think Eleanor is one of the best characters of the series plot wise and with her level of depth. DUCKS FOR CO… moreVER BEFORE APPLES FLY
How could Tripp stand up to Javier. Him, Jesus and Javier had a beard war and Javier won. Once a beard war is over you lose your leadership role.
In all seriousness. I'll give my real reasonings. Season 2 had Sarah who's sole purpose was to be a pain in the ass. It had Jane and Arvo. Two useless pieces of shit used for the sole intent of causing fake friction in the group with Kenny and to make the player hate Kenny. I love Kenny. They made him out to be one big piece of shit in season 2 for the sake of pushing a narrative. Kenny was always boat god and he died boat god.
Carver is one of the best antagonists of all time. But David and Javier's unraveling episodic fued was beautifully done and the story telling in that facet of the game was as best as TT has ever don… [view original content]
S2 really fell off during episodes 3 and 4, but THANK YOU. Carvers introduction was done so well, he was creepy in the right ways, his first appearance was a really good introduction. Kenny is a bit of a hard choice. I'm not a diehard I love Kenny dude. You can, in episode 4, berate kenny for taking out his frustrations on a little girl, and I did just that the first time and each after it, I do have some love for Kenny but I wasn't playing that shit, but I still thought Kenny's descent into complete nuts was done well, and you get a great scene if you kill him or go to Wellington. Ep1 and 2 were really good, they let me down with Carver in 3, 4, because of 5, had a really bad ending that was rushed through, but the second half of 5 really picked up for me.
I rather watch flies masturbate then the first episode of the Michonne series lol. It made church look like a EDM concert. We're on a boat.… more Now we're on a boat.... oh wait now were on a boat again. Binnoculars, Boat, looking through drawers. Boat again. Random enemy kidnapping. Boring. Boat. No depth. Then you gotta relive your creepy ghost kids giving you a guilt trip every 5 minutes. But surprisingly the last 2 episodes were good imo. But for the love of god were the 2 creepy ghost kids the biggest pain in the ass ever. Bigger pains in the ass then Ben and Sarah combined. Like leave me the hell alone. Quit it. Get out of my ear with your ghost bullshit. The only thing saving this season was a pretty decent antagonist even though he was a Carver wannabe. It did have one of the best this or that decisions ever deciding if you kill him or not really effects the story. But people kinda just died to die. It was too short t… [view original content]
My views on A New Frontier are mixed. I feel like the story ideas were better than Season 2's, but the season was executed so poorly by more flaws, most of which were already mentioned. My biggest complaints:
-Too short. Episode 3 was the only episode that was at least decent in length. The others struggled to reach an hour and 20 minutes, if that.
-Clementine. I was one of those people not fond of her edgy, blood-thirsty, "kill em all" attitude. Among other things, her telling Javi she knows his own brother more than he does actually really ticked me off. Similar to Kenny in S2, she was involved in many important choices in S3. And of course, her involvement in the choices skewed the results, making them the least interesting choices in the series for me.
-Clementine's relationship with Javier and Gabe were very forced.
-No more rewinding. I always viewed this as a "stage select" screen or a "scene selection" feature like on a DVD. Forcing us to start an episode over feels like being forced to start an entire movie over without the ability to fast-forward. If I recall, BTTF didn't have it, but at least you could skip through the dialogue.
Imma say yes because I had a lot of issues with it:
* Although Javi was the only character I really liked during the season, it really … moreshould've been either we play as Clem or she isn't in the season at all. We all know who clem is so obviously most players are going to side with her rather than anything invoving Javi's family.
* The bullshit "there will be multiple personalities for Clem" when all we got one and imo she felt off but yet again she lost AJ so.
* Joan being a shit villain.
* Gabe.
* Eleanor betraying the group and then acting all surprised when it gets Tripp killed and blaming it on Javi.
* Ava and Tripp's shitty deaths.
* Bad graphics
Still tho, there was really no point in them having the option to be alive if they were gonna die the next episode later, it's a problem I had with Alvin and Nick from Season 2.
I didn't necessarily have that problem with Alvin. In his case it was well established that him and Carver were bordering on being enemies, so his death in the episode after made sense within that story structure. Carver demonstrated what he was capable of during the game.
Nick, Ava and Tripp are dumb because they are random so soon after the choice. The choice just doesn't get to stick to have any effect. I think you get like one interaction with Nick in episode 3 of s2 and then he just dies offscreen.
I suppose Alvin didn't get to make any difference either, but I always felt like his second death was at the very least not just the writer going "whoops" when discovering the character and then handing him the fate of random death just because.
Still tho, there was really no point in them having the option to be alive if they were gonna die the next episode later, it's a problem I had with Alvin and Nick from Season 2.
I agree that Clementine only felt like a well-rounded character I was comfortably playing as in the Final Season when everything came around full circle.
But I do think they had a good idea letting you play Clementine in Season Two; they just forgot the fact that she's a little girl, not an adult. And having her do all of the group's dirty work, even stuff that would be LESS SAFE if you made a little girl do it was stupid.
They seemed to have finally gotten this right with AJ. No, he can't tagalong and fight walkers side by side with Clementine for example. He needs to stay out of the way.
I liked ANF for what it was. And it was a lot of things. "Good" isn't exactly one of them.
People seemed to have problems with not playin… moreg as Clem. I never had an issue with that. I personally believe we NEVER should've played as Clementine until TFS. I always believe we should've played as a different character. That way our choices would be shown through her reactions. We had to be careful around her and protect her as Lee. Play as Omid and/or Christa and give her continued guidance. Play as Javier as her friend. And then finally play as Clementine herself. I feel like that would've worked better. Playing AS Clem was never a necessity for my enjoyment.
The other reasons have already been said numerous times. Not to mention the game was buggy and glitchy as all hell as if they didn't check it out before releasing it. Jesus not being tied up vs being tied up is twisted. Seeing Clem behind Javier after she leaves you and Gabe behind afte… [view original content]
I finished playing ANF for the first time a few days ago. It’s not insanely horrible but still dissapointing. Episodes 1 and 2 were decent, episode 3 was intriguing but not much else, and episodes 4 and 5 being dull as shit until you have to choose between going after gabe or saving richmond. To the games credit, being able to indirectly influence gabe, kate, and david surviving is cool, even more so when clem can stay with you.
Clem being her own character again is bittersweet but having her watch your back is so satisfying.
i wasn't paying attention when it was released. i didn't even know about it until this year. ANF annoyed me because they changed clem's personality so much without any real input from the player which completely changed the way i went into TFS.
Yes, because the repetitive "Press the same button 6-8 times" QTEs is better than the normal ones from Season 2, Tripp and Ava got way more development than Nick and Sarah after saving them and Joan was a better villain than Carver.
Tripp and Ava are better compared to Nick and Sarah, even Mariana got developed in one episode at least and I like her personality than Sarah (I don't even care about those two), at least they're useful.
How are they better when in Episode 5, their roles are full of bad writting? Ava's death is one of the funniest moments in TWD and stupid Tripp didn't bother to go around walkers back to Eleanor and just chose to die for no reason. Nick and Sarah's outcomes made more sense in terms of realism, at least I felt bad when they died. Tripp and Ava's deaths were laughably bad, I couldn't give two shits about them dying that way because the writting in ANF is a joke.
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It wasn't bad but wasn't great either. I do like Javier.
It was so-so. I enjoyed it for what it was, but it wasn't my favorite. I didn't think the romance between Javi and Kate worked very well. The story had a lot staked on that. All in all, a lot of the characters just didn't quite work. They threw out the intimate story for a more action-packed, blockbuster deal. That hurt it a lot because I don't think that's what Telltale is(was) good at. All the value is in the story, and it was lacking in this game. (Want to ride on a bulldozer shooting zombies with a machine gun by pushing 'E' over and over?
No? How come!?)
Well in that case Louis is just another Omid. They're both funny characters and use humor to cope with their situation, so basically the exact same.
(Pssst, That actually aren't, I'm just proving how stupid that argument is. Just because characters share a similar trait doesnt mean they're the same character)
Open your eyes and maybe you’ll see that David’s role in this game is exactly the same as Kenny is S1 and S2. Louis’s role is completely different from omid.
It was very mixed for me tbh. On one hand, I loved Javier and there were parts of the story I generally liked (those being Kate and Gabe, Conrad and the choices around him, Jesus and the Clem flashbacks).
However, a lot the time there were points where actions scenes or scenes in general could have been better spent on character development, they focused more on the action without improving it and the stakes were easily the weakest of the series. I think if you can get it cheap or in a bundle I’d still play it but you could honestly watch the flashback stuff on YouTube and be fine to go to 4.
Too much of ANF happened off screen to have a real emotional impact on the player which is incredibly unfortunate. The entire past of the Garcia family surviving on in the magic mystery van that never ran out of gas or supplies until such a point where plot demands it sort of threw everyone off from the start of it. Gabe and Marianna should have been as walker savvy as Clementine - having to scavenge for supplies.
They fell somewhere between Sarah and Luke really. It should be noted that I did like and rooted for ANF to succeed while it was releasing, as I didn't care for Season 2 at all. Playing Clementine in Season 2 made everyone else appear completely incompetent to the point where Kenny was resurrected to renew interest ( so it seemed to me. ).
I suppose the reason so many people were wanting to play as Clementine during ANF is because she was at an age where it would've finally made sense to have her as a playable character.
I wish they'd tackled it a bit differently. It seemed like a lot of missed opportunity with characters that were in as bad of need for development as Season 2's.
I originally didn't think it was THAT bad, I mean I didn't love it but I thought it was decent. However nowadays when I do a replay of the series I find myself wanting to skip ANF completely. Been going through the games from the beginning this week, I'm on S2E4 and I'm really dreading having to trudge through ANF just to get to TFS. I think the characters are very weak, I didn't care for them like I did the characters from the first two seasons. Hopefully the fact that this is my 'bad' playthrough will make it less of a chore?
It's a good game I quite enjoyed it because it felt like something new and I kinda like the mad max vibe it kinda had going on.
To add my two cents: I´d say that wasnt THAT bad, but it was completly unnecesary. It felt more like one of those filler arcs that infest the TV series, they soemwhat connect to the main story, but not really. And you know is going nowhere.
The pacing is soemwhat awkard, things happen way too fast or are never adressed at all: Conrad´s resentment, Tripp and the prescott Raid, Tripp´s death and Eleanor, Eleanor and Tripp´s romance, Kate´s sudden guilt about Richomnd´s, etc
There were certainly problems with the characters aswell: Kate came across as needy , and while some people can emphatize with her situation in her unhappy marriage (I certainly dont) and the problem is that regardless of how many times you make a point about keeping her at a distance, she continues regardless. It feels like the games is trying to force a relantionship her without any significant buildup. Her relantionship with Gabe and Mariana also struck me as being somewhat inconsistent: A one times she is complaining about she feels like leaving them at the side of the road and how she is not "mother materiel" BUT then we are shown a flashback about how she couldnt "bear" loosing them. Is not necessarely a contradiction, but the problem is that this is never touched upon again.
David is , arguably, the most complex character of the Season: She seems to value family above all but was willing to leave them is order to persue what made him happy, he scolds Javier for not being around and being self-centered, while he is being jealous that his brother can be happy with the choices he makes. He loves Kate and his Children, but he cannot make them happy.
I think in David´s problem is that his arc wasnt completly realized: It would´ve been nice to see if he was able to folly swing one way or ther other: Fullfilling his warrior urges at the expense of the ones he love or finally settle down with the family he adores. That why his final fate , in all endings, feel lackluster. It always felt like David "attempting" something but never fully "succeding" in doing it.
Gabe contributes so little to the plot that is very hard to say good or ill against him: he lack any sort of meaningful developtment and his biggestest contributions were creating Drama by virtue of screwing up and whining about things.
Then there is "Angry" Clem, not gonna lie, I hated her in ANF, I frankly didnt see the point of her inclusion in what was supposed to be a freash new story, and the fact she had joined the ranks of the "Janes" and "Mollys": Angry, lonely and handy in a fight. There is attempt to try to matize it with her loss of AJ and that she is that way because of the loss of her "goofball"...Which the same with Molly and Jane with their respective sisters -w- . I hated the fact that the first we got to see something CLem´s eprsonality outside of our input was just that of another of "those" characters. The whole ordeal with Eli sealed the deal for me : I wasnt going to stick my neck for her.
There is plenty of thing I could touch upon: The New Frontier as a group, Joan as a bad guy, how choices were utterly irrelevant but I think you get the gist of it. ANF had its moments, specially when it focused on the Garcia Family before the outbreak. but its just not enough, not to justify the diversion from Clem´s story anyway
The only good thing in ANFT was Clem, and we didn't even play her as the main character. Kate was a hoe. They used the stupid troupe of pitting brother against brother for her tired a$$. And Javi's nephew was a little bussy.
Imma say yes because I had a lot of issues with it:
Yes. Yes it was.
The original, or the reboot they did so hipster kids had a conversation to jump into? Smfh
Nope. people formed their verdict before it even came out and it got way too much shit from so called fans and the biased critics just like season 4 is getting. The negative acclaim of it is why telltale died. The story telling had tons of great moments, interesting characters. Side characters stepped up a bit from season 2 imo. It was better as a whole than season 2 if I had to pick.
No, this season was shit.
Season 2 was leagues above that trash. What are you babbling about? Tripp immediately declares Javier the boss immediately after stepping out of the tunnel. Does he ask what happened to Conrad if he's not with you? You can either have that jackass with you, or choose any response that doesn't tell this retard you shot Conrad. Naturally, he doesn't question any of this, and then gets shot in episode 4/falls off a fucking bridge in episode 5. Did I miss anything?
What an absurd conclusion. Telltale was on their way into the bin long before a New Frotnier was even an idea.
I most love season 3 because I think Eleanor is one of the best characters of the series plot wise and with her level of depth. DUCKS FOR COVER BEFORE APPLES FLY
How could Tripp stand up to Javier. Him, Jesus and Javier had a beard war and Javier won. Once a beard war is over you lose your leadership role.
In all seriousness. I'll give my real reasonings. Season 2 had Sarah who's sole purpose was to be a pain in the ass. It had Jane and Arvo. Two useless pieces of shit used for the sole intent of causing fake friction in the group with Kenny and to make the player hate Kenny. I love Kenny. They made him out to be one big piece of shit in season 2 for the sake of pushing a narrative. Kenny was always boat god and he died boat god.
Carver is one of the best antagonists of all time. But David and Javier's unraveling episodic fued was beautifully done and the story telling in that facet of the game was as best as TT has ever done imo. David had so much depth and layers. On one hand he was a alcoholic failure but on the other hand he was a brother who did care deep inside. Fumbling with your emotions with Kate along with trying to be a brother to him was hard decision making which TT lacks at times. Combine that with Badger who was a awful son of a bitch and his death scene was among the best. And combine that with Clementine being a badass and finally coming into her own and not relying on everyone like season 2 Clem did. It led to an awesome season.
And I wasn't joking about the Eleanor part. Unpopular opinion but I like her. As a side character she has so much shit going on except for maybe Tenn nobody has interested me as a side character as much.
Season 2 was awesome don't get me wrong. But TNF was probably my second favorite season.
I read all your comments. And I can get the point, of both people that likes and the ones that hate it.
As I said at OP, I "liked" it. A good ride. Surely not the "best" ride. Both S1 and S2 are better, even if S2 had some big problem.
About the graphics, really I can't understand why you say are bad.
Season 1 graphics are SHIT, talking about poly-count and texture detail.
ANF changed a bit, with more polygons on screen and more refined textures. I don't get why you like more the S1 visuals.
Said that, I think that ALL the TWD seasons have graphics that are "more than enough" and fit perfectly with the "comic" style. Maybe they have some "animations problem", because of the 3D engine too outdated.
The Telltale engine is really TOO old and limited, we all agree on that.
Graphics aren't always about pure numbers. I prefer the edgier and dirty style from S1, S2 and TFS much more than that clean/wet look of ANF.
Holy shit you actually were reasonable. I liked David, he was probably my favorite character from ANF. He was believable. Eleanor was kinda just there, she suddenly betrays everyone because reasons. And Tripp was similarly a one note character. Season 1 faced you with how you reacted to multiple characters, how you played had an impact and it drew you into that world, it made you care.
S2 worked because it slowly made Clem transition from a child listening to what to do into someone who chose for herself at the end, trying to save Sarah and Nick(they really botched that). If a game has a set path, if had to draw you in to the ending and make you feel like you were part of that. I played Lee the way I would act, by extension I did the same with Clem, and I was satisfied the way it turned out.
ANF completely destroyed how I played in favor of one personality. S1 put heavy emphasis on how we would affect Clementine. S2 put us directly in her shoes. ANF trashed all of that in favor of some kid friendly protagonist who tells people their cake is bad and thinks zombies need to know the batters up. This should have been a spinoff that wasn't advertised as a new season, I would have avoided it harder than Michonne.
I rather watch flies masturbate then the first episode of the Michonne series lol. It made church look like a EDM concert. We're on a boat. Now we're on a boat.... oh wait now were on a boat again. Binnoculars, Boat, looking through drawers. Boat again. Random enemy kidnapping. Boring. Boat. No depth. Then you gotta relive your creepy ghost kids giving you a guilt trip every 5 minutes. But surprisingly the last 2 episodes were good imo. But for the love of god were the 2 creepy ghost kids the biggest pain in the ass ever. Bigger pains in the ass then Ben and Sarah combined. Like leave me the hell alone. Quit it. Get out of my ear with your ghost bullshit. The only thing saving this season was a pretty decent antagonist even though he was a Carver wannabe. It did have one of the best this or that decisions ever deciding if you kill him or not really effects the story. But people kinda just died to die. It was too short to have any depth in the plot or get attatched to the characters imo. And of course Sam was hot and brilliantly complimentary to the story. And I love her. They really did Michonne dirty. I heard her comics were very good. Sam carried her plot for her imo. I wouldn't have finished without her story.
I agree about the major flaw of Season 3 being the decisions didn't really matter as much. I chose to clap Kate's cheeks and make out with her in front of David. It led to the same fight that happens if you don't. Gabe was a forced character for the sake of "Clem has a boy toy" and it was done so poorly. Season 4 hit a home run with their romancing which is why everyone loved it. When you actually put time into the characters you are romancing her with it works.
Tripp was a waste of a side character but I think TNF makes up for it with Jesus and Eleanor. They were very interesting. Eleanor may have done that betrayal at the end but she had her reasons. Her back and fourth with Javier when she was trying to heal everyone was pretty deep and stuck with me.
My main problem with Season 2 is the final battle between Kenny and Jane and the games constant attempts to make you hate Kenny. Kenny is a loose cannon. He's beating up Arvo. He's losing his mind. Yeah yeah. He's boat god. He'll always be boat god. Telltale couldn't make me think he was a piece of shit but boy did they try. I let him off Jane and he sacraficed his life for Clem at the gate. Which is my favorite ending of a season thus far. Kenny for life. 10/10 Boat god forever.
Imo episodes 1 and 2 of S2 were masterpieces and Carver was a brilliantly done antagonist. He had a lot of layers to unpack. He was a sinnister piece of shit but he was a master manipulator then of course the whole rebecca thing. His discussions with Clem are part of what molded her as a person your decisions then. But after that. The whole Arvo thing and then the russian mafia coming out because you stole Arvo's shit or something. And then Kenny spends the last 2 episodes whooping his ass some and you can't stop it worth of shit. Then the group hates him. It wasn't in Kenny's nature. He woulda beat the shit out of ben if it was. Ben got his kid and wife Killed. Kenny wasn't perfect. But he was at the least a human being. S2 made him a monster of some sort.
about S2, I got annoyed by that thing of forcing you to hate Kenny. I think same as you.
BUT my ending of S2 with Ken seems to fix the bad Telltale choices: it's the same as yours, a good man that pushes Clem to enter in Wellington, a sacrifice. Right choice from me.
About Michonne... I read all the comic, and believe me: it's truly a fantastic character. The Michonne season is "so-so", I don't liked the villain. I loved the "ghost sisters", because that's HOW Michonne really is. THat shows her deep problems with her past.
When people says "ANF doesn't let me make choices, and the ones I make do not change anything"
...errr.... that's Telltale mood FROM THE START of those kind of games.
BUT Season 1 was "more replayable", that's true. Choices changed very little, but it was still cool to try other ways.
I think our will to replay depends more on a good storytelling than a real possibility to make choices.
S1 had GREAT storytelling, I loved it from start to the end; all the other seasons were more weak about it.
However, despite of what I just wrote, I loved the ride from S1 to S3; could've been better? Yes, but is cool as it is.
P.s. I stil did not played TFS, because of a bug that makes the game fail to load...
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S2 really fell off during episodes 3 and 4, but THANK YOU. Carvers introduction was done so well, he was creepy in the right ways, his first appearance was a really good introduction. Kenny is a bit of a hard choice. I'm not a diehard I love Kenny dude. You can, in episode 4, berate kenny for taking out his frustrations on a little girl, and I did just that the first time and each after it, I do have some love for Kenny but I wasn't playing that shit, but I still thought Kenny's descent into complete nuts was done well, and you get a great scene if you kill him or go to Wellington. Ep1 and 2 were really good, they let me down with Carver in 3, 4, because of 5, had a really bad ending that was rushed through, but the second half of 5 really picked up for me.
My views on A New Frontier are mixed. I feel like the story ideas were better than Season 2's, but the season was executed so poorly by more flaws, most of which were already mentioned. My biggest complaints:
-Too short. Episode 3 was the only episode that was at least decent in length. The others struggled to reach an hour and 20 minutes, if that.
-Clementine. I was one of those people not fond of her edgy, blood-thirsty, "kill em all" attitude. Among other things, her telling Javi she knows his own brother more than he does actually really ticked me off. Similar to Kenny in S2, she was involved in many important choices in S3. And of course, her involvement in the choices skewed the results, making them the least interesting choices in the series for me.
-Clementine's relationship with Javier and Gabe were very forced.
-No more rewinding. I always viewed this as a "stage select" screen or a "scene selection" feature like on a DVD. Forcing us to start an episode over feels like being forced to start an entire movie over without the ability to fast-forward. If I recall, BTTF didn't have it, but at least you could skip through the dialogue.
I liked Tripp death, he died fighting.
Ava's death was retarded though.
Still tho, there was really no point in them having the option to be alive if they were gonna die the next episode later, it's a problem I had with Alvin and Nick from Season 2.
I didn't necessarily have that problem with Alvin. In his case it was well established that him and Carver were bordering on being enemies, so his death in the episode after made sense within that story structure. Carver demonstrated what he was capable of during the game.
Nick, Ava and Tripp are dumb because they are random so soon after the choice. The choice just doesn't get to stick to have any effect. I think you get like one interaction with Nick in episode 3 of s2 and then he just dies offscreen.
I suppose Alvin didn't get to make any difference either, but I always felt like his second death was at the very least not just the writer going "whoops" when discovering the character and then handing him the fate of random death just because.
I agree that Clementine only felt like a well-rounded character I was comfortably playing as in the Final Season when everything came around full circle.
But I do think they had a good idea letting you play Clementine in Season Two; they just forgot the fact that she's a little girl, not an adult. And having her do all of the group's dirty work, even stuff that would be LESS SAFE if you made a little girl do it was stupid.
They seemed to have finally gotten this right with AJ. No, he can't tagalong and fight walkers side by side with Clementine for example. He needs to stay out of the way.
I finished playing ANF for the first time a few days ago. It’s not insanely horrible but still dissapointing. Episodes 1 and 2 were decent, episode 3 was intriguing but not much else, and episodes 4 and 5 being dull as shit until you have to choose between going after gabe or saving richmond. To the games credit, being able to indirectly influence gabe, kate, and david surviving is cool, even more so when clem can stay with you.
Clem being her own character again is bittersweet but having her watch your back is so satisfying.
ANF wasn't that bad but it was hyped up to be way better so people are forever salty
i wasn't paying attention when it was released. i didn't even know about it until this year. ANF annoyed me because they changed clem's personality so much without any real input from the player which completely changed the way i went into TFS.
Yes, because the repetitive "Press the same button 6-8 times" QTEs is better than the normal ones from Season 2, Tripp and Ava got way more development than Nick and Sarah after saving them and Joan was a better villain than Carver.
How are they better when in Episode 5, their roles are full of bad writting? Ava's death is one of the funniest moments in TWD and stupid Tripp didn't bother to go around walkers back to Eleanor and just chose to die for no reason. Nick and Sarah's outcomes made more sense in terms of realism, at least I felt bad when they died. Tripp and Ava's deaths were laughably bad, I couldn't give two shits about them dying that way because the writting in ANF is a joke.