Good storytelling tells you what you want to see happen in the story. Whether as the final outcome or just a distraction.
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I think people are rooting for Morgan now because she's been given a fair amount of character development and shown an interesting combination of spunk and vulnerability. But Guybrush and Elaine have pretty much done nothing but pine for each other the whole time they've been apart (maybe not so much in Elaine's case, but it seems all Guybrush can think about is getting back to his old ball-and-chain).
For these reasons I think Morgan will get some kind of resolution by the end of Tales, it just won't be with Guybrush.
I've read some of this thread and just had a feeling that many people here are MUCH too young to have actually played the original MI games when they were released No problem with that of course, a franchise always needs new fans (and keeping the old ones too).
I'm not afraid of some changes in the formula, but I hope TTG won't make a soap opera out of it. An Elaine-Guybrush-Morgan "triangle" scene is quite possible, probably there'll be one moment when Guybrush will think about changing to Morgan, but then he won't. It just wouldn't fit in the picture.
Btw I agree that Morgan is DAMN sexy (yes, I think drawn and animated girls can be really sexy, call me a pervert). Those who created her might have a slight interest in S/M culture
I think the major problem is we know more about Morgan than we do about Elaine. Elaine is a cypher. We have no contrast. Thus Telltale have hit a problem. If they develop Elaine too much will she be recognisable as Elaine? If they don't do it enough, people might lean to Morgan despite Guybrush's desire for his wife.
It takes two people to make a marriage work but it only takes one person to make it fail. And Guybrush for the moment seems to be the only person actually working on the relationship.
I'd like to see Elaine working on the marriage, since it seems to be only Guybrush who is ever working on it. (And I don't want Morgan to be a Rebound fling, which at the moment seems to be heading that way.
It takes two people to make a marriage work but it only takes one person to make it fail. And Guybrush for the moment seems to be the only person actually working on the relationship.
Elaine started out pretty eager to ditch the monkeys and look for Guybrush in Chapter 3. Of course, she "calms down" after that...
Elaine started out pretty eager to ditch the monkeys and look for Guybrush in Chapter 3. Of course, she "calms down" after that...
Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough
[And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women
Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough
[And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women
That's very interesting. I hadn't noticed that. I wonder if this might imply the possibility of multiple endings...
Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough
[And this has an effect on what Decava writes on Guybrushes turn-ons. If you get that cut scene Guybrush's turn on is Elaine if you don't assertive women
Huh? I did get the cutscene, and
mine said Assertive Women
. I think it's random, like the rest of the things seem to be.
Of course they won't split up. Elaine's flirtation with LeChuck, Morgan and Guybrush's attraction, it's narrative tension and creates interest in the reader/player. It's as old as fiction itself, it's just a 'will they or won't they' draw to emotionally invest the player.
Well, they still have to make us want to see them get back together before they put them back together....which isn't happening with me yet. I saw it as tension on the Chapter 1 cliffhanger, but not anymore. Now it just seems the logical flow of the story. You gotta make me miss them together if you want to create tension, which is now gone for me.
Well, they still have to make us want to see them get back together before they put them back together....which isn't happening with me yet. I saw it as tension on the Chapter 1 cliffhanger, but not anymore. Now it just seems the logical flow of the story. You gotta make me miss them together if you want to create tension, which is now gone for me.
story is all about progression, and they simply haven't reached that point yet...they WILL, of course.
I know. I'm just saying so far I wouldn't call it tension. If they do put them back together I'll be disappointed, honestly. That doesn't show very much progression in the series as a whole. I like change in games. This would be a great dramatic change. A saga needs to evolve not repeat history.
It's not a repeat if they have a brief period of trouble due to each being attracted, then end up back together with a stronger relationship for the period apart and not sleeping with someone else...that's evolution too. They can in fact, evolve and progress the relationship without satisfying everyone's fanboy urges for the new flavor of the month, aka, Morgan. The story resolving itself with the two back together is far more satisfying for all the tension it's been through than seeing their relationship end would be.
story is all about progression, and they simply haven't reached that point yet...they WILL, of course.
Exactly. The whole point has been to make us think that there is a real danger of Guybrush and Elaine will break up, chapter 4 I'm guessing we'll start see the resolution, including seeing Elaine back in a better light. Either that, or Guybrush will run off with Morgan, in which case we'll still be shown Elaine in a better light just to drive that knife of guilt into the player. Or maybe Elaine, consumed by the pox, will run off with LeChuck, leaving Guybrush alone with neither of them! Telltale seem to be the types to stick some twist on it at any rate!
I've read some of this thread and just had a feeling that many people here are MUCH too young to have actually played the original MI games when they were released No problem with that of course, a franchise always needs new fans (and keeping the old ones too).
I'm not afraid of some changes in the formula, but I hope TTG won't make a soap opera out of it. An Elaine-Guybrush-Morgan "triangle" scene is quite possible, probably there'll be one moment when Guybrush will think about changing to Morgan, but then he won't. It just wouldn't fit in the picture.
Btw I agree that Morgan is DAMN sexy (yes, I think drawn and animated girls can be really sexy, call me a pervert). Those who created her might have a slight interest in S/M culture
Well, almoast. I think Morgan is actually not looking for someone that is strong enough to tame her but for someone who's complete opposite of her but still understands her. A man that can balance her, it's like the philosophy of yin and yang. She was actually talking about herself when Guybrush asked her how to deal with the destructivly angry female manatee and the advices she gave sums up to be the qualities of Guybrush. But as you said Threepwood didn't get Morgans points and directly after she realised that Guybrushs heart was still beating strong for Elane and you could see Lafley was hurt by that.
Agree. Also one thing made me wonder: during the chapter 3 when GT is supposed to learn the manatee language in Flotsam he asks Morgan's help in getting to the isle, but she responded somewhat worried about "GT getting dissected" and offers the voodoo-solution tho bringing him to the Marquis is her main goal, and that was after her disappointment; think she'd still turn him in in chapter 4?
I actually liked Morgan in ch3. Despite her having a interest in bringing Guybrush into DeSinge and knocking him out in the end, how she acts during the chapter makes feel sympathetic for her characters interest in Guybrush. Him being married to Elaine doesn't help. But I do think Morgan helped Guybrush out more in this chapter than Elaine did in all four games (saved from fester in mansion, saved from Lechuck and a sword in the beginning in three, gave him a ship in mi4 and gave him that gov symbol). I like Elaine, I just wish they worked as partners more than instead of Guybrush being Elaine's errand boy. I hope Morgan has a happy ending (and that's not just because she's hot) instead of being blown in the air like Lechuck.
Well, just as long as he doesn't get screwed in a figurative sense. I wouldn't be too big with the whole socilogical divorce thing...and all that sort of BS. I'd rather a comedy game stay a comedy game and not get into questionable territory. Maybe...maybe a hint of a three some at the end of the game...MAYBE
Agree. Also one thing made me wonder: during the chapter 3 when GT is supposed to learn the manatee language in Flotsam he asks Morgan's help in getting to the isle, but she responded somewhat worried about "GT getting dissected" and offers the voodoo-solution tho bringing him to the Marquis is her main goal, and that was after her disappointment; think she'd still turn him in in chapter 4?
There's no way she'd know about the voodoo solution. Though on the developer level it's obviously a hint, she more or less was saying that there was no way he could actually set foot on Flotsam.
She still knocked Guybrush and Winslow out, and the next episode will still include a trial on Flotsam. I don't see how she won't turn him in, unless she's actually trying to sail him away from Flotsam and something gets in their way.
Don't forget, Guybrush is cured of the pox, making him useless as an experiment to de Singe. It may just be a case of wanting some kind of reward for it all. (I think she knocked him out from frustration, he didn't get {or just ignored} all the hints she dropped.)
Don't forget, Guybrush is cured of the pox, making him useless as an experiment to de Singe. It may just be a case of wanting some kind of reward for it all. (I think she knocked him out from frustration, he didn't get {or just ignored} all the hints she dropped.)
She continued to knock out Winslow and take over the ship after the credits.
Also, Guybrush probably wasn't useful due to the pox. There were plenty of pirates that had it that DeSinge could capture. Though the sponge MAY have sucked up what makes Guybrush important, I think it's more likely that the Cutlass of Kaflu and/or the fact that he has some sort of magical voodoo destiny or SOMETHING else that is likely connected to him starting this whole mess makes him important.
There's no way she'd know about the voodoo solution. Though on the developer level it's obviously a hint, she more or less was saying that there was no way he could actually set foot on Flotsam.
She still knocked Guybrush and Winslow out, and the next episode will still include a trial on Flotsam. I don't see how she won't turn him in, unless she's actually trying to sail him away from Flotsam and something gets in their way.
Hm, what I meant was 'another solution', the one we know as the 'voodoo-solution'. Thought it'd be simple enough, sorry.
I'd say knocking GT out was the only option for not answering her call even if she'd not turn him in, and maybe she just dislikes Winslow or maybe she's having her period...heck I'm only guessing but it does indeed seem obvious wut you said. But had he answered her the way she'd had wanted, who knows if she had chosen to let it be.
Don't forget, Guybrush is cured of the pox, making him useless as an experiment to de Singe. It may just be a case of wanting some kind of reward for it all. (I think she knocked him out from frustration, he didn't get {or just ignored} all the hints she dropped.)
I agree with the frustrating part, that's my guess as well. But the bounty still exists for Guybrush, poxed or not, eh?
I agree with the frustrating part, that's my guess as well. But the bounty still exists for Guybrush, poxed or not, eh?
Exactly why i think she'sbringing him in. Its gonna be called the Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood. Those happen when you get arrested: I doubt de Singe would be giving our Mighty Pirate™ a trial before strapping him to a table. As for her knocking out Winslow, lets face it, he's pretty loyal to Cap'n Threepwood. You can't very well take over a ship by only knocking out half of the loyal crew.
Now you lost me...first you said she knocked him out from frustration and while pox-free, the marquis wouldn't pay her the bounty (or have I misunderstood?),
and then...
Now you lost me...first you said she knocked him out from frustration and while pox-free, the marquis wouldn't pay her the bounty (or have I misunderstood?),
and then...
Well, yeah. Im pretty sure she knocked him out of frustration because he managed to put the sponge and curing Elaine first, and she's taking him back to Flotsam now. If nothing else, she has her pride about finishing a job.
But I dont think she'll hand him over to de Singe. He doesnt have the pox anymore, so he might not be as valuable to the Marquis, and even if the doctor does still over a reward to strap him to the table, frustrated or not, I think she'd sooner just hand him to the local jail and just get his Wanted bounty instead. (If you examine the signed photo she drops, Guybrush notes that its either from an article about after he saved a villiage or Morgan's clipped it from one of his wanted posters, so theres some reward offered for bringing him in.)
This is just my speculation, but she probably thinks Guybrush-would-make-a-better-pastry-chef Threepwood would probably just be given small jail time, but just how many things has he wrecked, lied about or stolen? (I imagine that Note of Credit back in Secret mightve been the first thing to lead to his Wanted! poster.) It'll probably snow ball until its not just the Trial, but the Trial and Execution of GT.
But really, this is all just my guesswork so yknow.. don't put too much stock into it.
Hmm but the bounty was placed by the Marquis, not the court, and I still can't think of any crime Guybrush would have committed while on Flotsam.
She went after Guybrush when Marquis contacted her so my guess would be she doesn't even know of any other bounty.
So unless she's turning him in to Marquis, she's some ace up her sleeve or then some unknown event takes place before they reach Flotsam.
Hmm but the bounty was placed by the Marquis, not the court, and I still can't think of any crime Guybrush would have committed while on Flotsam.
She went after Guybrush when Marquis contacted her so my guess would be she doesn't even know of any other bounty.
So unless she's turning him in to Marquis, she's some ace up her sleeve or then some unknown event takes place before they reach Flotsam.
Apart from releasing the pox in the first place (yeah, they'd be mean about that), firing cannonballs, breaking glass unicorns, stealing glass breakers,using a fake ID to enter a private club, starting a bar fight, throwing bombs at the single ship, disturbing the peace and injuring a captain? Yeah, Guybrush was a good boy on Flotsam, hah.
Besides, I think most courts are willing to hold a wanted pirate.
The pox was pure accident and there were no witnesses for breaking the unicorns nor stealing the horn. Seizing the ship was more of a entertainment as far as I know; the townsfolk built the ship so that everyone had a chance to become captain. The fight was due to his pox ridden hand which he could easily prove. Moreover if people were to sue each other in a piratetown every time a fight would break out, they would need more jails than residences.
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Definitely!
I think people are rooting for Morgan now because she's been given a fair amount of character development and shown an interesting combination of spunk and vulnerability. But Guybrush and Elaine have pretty much done nothing but pine for each other the whole time they've been apart (maybe not so much in Elaine's case, but it seems all Guybrush can think about is getting back to his old ball-and-chain).
For these reasons I think Morgan will get some kind of resolution by the end of Tales, it just won't be with Guybrush.
I'm not afraid of some changes in the formula, but I hope TTG won't make a soap opera out of it. An Elaine-Guybrush-Morgan "triangle" scene is quite possible, probably there'll be one moment when Guybrush will think about changing to Morgan, but then he won't. It just wouldn't fit in the picture.
Btw I agree that Morgan is DAMN sexy (yes, I think drawn and animated girls can be really sexy, call me a pervert). Those who created her might have a slight interest in S/M culture
True - confirmation bias at its best.
It takes two people to make a marriage work but it only takes one person to make it fail. And Guybrush for the moment seems to be the only person actually working on the relationship.
I'd like to see Elaine working on the marriage, since it seems to be only Guybrush who is ever working on it. (And I don't want Morgan to be a Rebound fling, which at the moment seems to be heading that way.
Elaine started out pretty eager to ditch the monkeys and look for Guybrush in Chapter 3. Of course, she "calms down" after that...
Well she does if you get that cut scene. I didn't the first playthrough
That's very interesting. I hadn't noticed that. I wonder if this might imply the possibility of multiple endings...
story is all about progression, and they simply haven't reached that point yet...they WILL, of course.
Exactly. The whole point has been to make us think that there is a real danger of Guybrush and Elaine will break up, chapter 4 I'm guessing we'll start see the resolution, including seeing Elaine back in a better light. Either that, or Guybrush will run off with Morgan, in which case we'll still be shown Elaine in a better light just to drive that knife of guilt into the player. Or maybe Elaine, consumed by the pox, will run off with LeChuck, leaving Guybrush alone with neither of them! Telltale seem to be the types to stick some twist on it at any rate!
Yeah, we even hired M. Night Shyamalan to write the final episode. Here's a hint
Writing GOLD.
Morgan is a babe
Haha, yeah maybe Guybrush is a player and we dont even know!
Agree. Also one thing made me wonder: during the chapter 3 when GT is supposed to learn the manatee language in Flotsam he asks Morgan's help in getting to the isle, but she responded somewhat worried about "GT getting dissected" and offers the voodoo-solution tho bringing him to the Marquis is her main goal, and that was after her disappointment; think she'd still turn him in in chapter 4?
She still knocked Guybrush and Winslow out, and the next episode will still include a trial on Flotsam. I don't see how she won't turn him in, unless she's actually trying to sail him away from Flotsam and something gets in their way.
Also, Guybrush probably wasn't useful due to the pox. There were plenty of pirates that had it that DeSinge could capture. Though the sponge MAY have sucked up what makes Guybrush important, I think it's more likely that the Cutlass of Kaflu and/or the fact that he has some sort of magical voodoo destiny or SOMETHING else that is likely connected to him starting this whole mess makes him important.
Hm, what I meant was 'another solution', the one we know as the 'voodoo-solution'. Thought it'd be simple enough, sorry.
I'd say knocking GT out was the only option for not answering her call even if she'd not turn him in, and maybe she just dislikes Winslow or maybe she's having her period...heck I'm only guessing but it does indeed seem obvious wut you said. But had he answered her the way she'd had wanted, who knows if she had chosen to let it be.
I agree with the frustrating part, that's my guess as well. But the bounty still exists for Guybrush, poxed or not, eh?
Exactly why i think she'sbringing him in. Its gonna be called the Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood. Those happen when you get arrested: I doubt de Singe would be giving our Mighty Pirate™ a trial before strapping him to a table. As for her knocking out Winslow, lets face it, he's pretty loyal to Cap'n Threepwood. You can't very well take over a ship by only knocking out half of the loyal crew.
and then...
Well, yeah. Im pretty sure she knocked him out of frustration because he managed to put the sponge and curing Elaine first, and she's taking him back to Flotsam now. If nothing else, she has her pride about finishing a job.
But I dont think she'll hand him over to de Singe. He doesnt have the pox anymore, so he might not be as valuable to the Marquis, and even if the doctor does still over a reward to strap him to the table, frustrated or not, I think she'd sooner just hand him to the local jail and just get his Wanted bounty instead. (If you examine the signed photo she drops, Guybrush notes that its either from an article about after he saved a villiage or Morgan's clipped it from one of his wanted posters, so theres some reward offered for bringing him in.)
This is just my speculation, but she probably thinks Guybrush-would-make-a-better-pastry-chef Threepwood would probably just be given small jail time, but just how many things has he wrecked, lied about or stolen? (I imagine that Note of Credit back in Secret mightve been the first thing to lead to his Wanted! poster.) It'll probably snow ball until its not just the Trial, but the Trial and Execution of GT.
But really, this is all just my guesswork so yknow.. don't put too much stock into it.
She went after Guybrush when Marquis contacted her so my guess would be she doesn't even know of any other bounty.
So unless she's turning him in to Marquis, she's some ace up her sleeve or then some unknown event takes place before they reach Flotsam.
Apart from releasing the pox in the first place (yeah, they'd be mean about that), firing cannonballs, breaking glass unicorns, stealing glass breakers,using a fake ID to enter a private club, starting a bar fight, throwing bombs at the single ship, disturbing the peace and injuring a captain? Yeah, Guybrush was a good boy on Flotsam, hah.
Besides, I think most courts are willing to hold a wanted pirate.