Spoilers: LeChuck's true allegiance

At this point, LeChuck is the Snape for Tales. Everything he says and does can be taken in multiple ways. Vote in the poll and just discuss your opinion and bring up any evidence that might help.
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  • edited October 2009
    my thorey there are to LeChucks The nice kind good one wanting to repent and The evil power hungary ghost zaombie demon who lusts 4 Elaine and is useing the good LeChuck
  • edited October 2009
    I think that he thinks he is good. But he isn't that good. He still wants, and wants to be around, Elaine too much.
    He has always been trying to get Elaine, and now has a new method. When this one doesn't work, he will go back to the old ways. You can't force someone to change their will when you are good.
  • edited October 2009
    Good, but will sacrifice himself when the sponge doesn't work (it never does.....root beer, voodoo doll, Cutlass of Kafloo or whatever) and reabsorb all the evil into himself. Making it the ultimate good move from him and proving to everyone that he was in fact good, but ironically puts him right back where he was.

    Could be wrong. Hope I am pleasantly surprised. I hope it's something nobody has thought of yet...
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck is wrong. And bad. There should really be a stronger word for LeChuck. Like badwrong. Or badong. Yes. LeChuck is badong.
  • edited October 2009
    well, he was evil before he became a ghost pirate...so why should he be good, just because he lost his mojo...ahm...voodoo...whatever.
    in episode two it still seemed like he might really be the nice guy and that he will probably sacrifice his own goodness to safe the caribbean in the end.
    during episode three i got the impression that he was quite obsessed with returing those monkeys. so, this may still be part of his evil plan...spread the cursed monkeys and get close to elaine.
  • edited October 2009
    I believe that he believes he is good now, but there have been subtle moments that indicate his character will take a fall from grace and revert back to his evil ways by the end of the story.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck is wrong. And bad. There should really be a stronger word for LeChuck. Like badwrong. Or badong. Yes. LeChuck is badong.

    BAHAHAHAHAHA

    Nice Kung Pow reference!
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited October 2009
    Aw, he's such a sweetheart when he's a good guy (who would've thought?). I trust the big dolt... now watch me be proved massively wrong :rolleyes:

    If/when he returns to being an evil zombie, I hope it's by way of noble self-sacrifice.
  • edited October 2009
    jhuddy wrote: »
    BAHAHAHAHAHA

    Nice Kung Pow reference!

    Haha, nice catch. :D
  • edited October 2009
    I think he's good. I def think he will be evil in the end, but didn't like the way it was put. He won't "revert" by time, he'll revert by getting the pox again or smt like that. So, he won't revert by own force.
  • edited October 2009
    I think he's genuinely good atm, but he'll revert by the end of the season.
  • edited October 2009
    I don't know about reverting back to evil, though that's a possibility. I think it would be more like something would happen to turn him evil again, possibly getting re-infected with the pox.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck is definitely converted to good temporarily but he'll certainly become evil again in the last chapter...whether he'll realise what has happened and continue with it to fool Guybrush and Elaine is another matter.

    I also think there will some sort of swashbuckling faceoff between either Guybrush and a pox-ridden Elaine or Elaine and Morgan.
  • edited October 2009
    I don't know - I'm still very hesitant about him. Plus I don't trust his true intentions with these monkeys - I feel like something else is going on. He is going around the Caribbean to a bunch of islands with Elaine and Monkeys. I wonder what he is REALLY up to.
  • edited October 2009
    I'm certain he's a good guy.

    I do think a good LeChuck may still like and want to be with Elaine, though, whether or not he knows that's why he's keeping Elaine from Guybrush or not. He tries to do the right thing. I really, really don't think he's scheming at all, I think his intentions are more or less good, but he may have conflicting emotions when he gets closer to finishing the whole monkey job.
  • edited October 2009
    He's a good guy for now, but I'm sure something will turn him evil (and probably undead) again before the end comes.
  • edited October 2009
    I think he is honest and kind atm, but will definately become evil in the final episode. But, this form would be great for that "Guybrush/LeChuck Brother-Whatever" I've heard so much about lately, as a twist they get back together? But I ebony know if this would just make people want to kill telltale :)
  • edited October 2009
    He's bad to the bone still! He didn't change one bit, he's just a brilliant actor playing every other character as suckers! There is a bit of proof from his facial expression in Siege of Spinner Cay when Guybrush first walks onto the cliff where LeChuck is...


    ... He's just got this sly look and looks as though he's thinking something along the lines of "hahaharr, excellent!"...
  • edited October 2009
    He's bad to the bone still! He didn't change one bit, he's just a brilliant actor playing every other character as suckers! There is a bit of proof from his facial expression in Siege of Spinner Cay when Guybrush first walks onto the cliff where LeChuck is...


    ... He's just got this sly look and looks as though he's thinking something along the lines of "hahaharr, excellent!"...

    I actually like the look he gives on the docks. He's looking down at a monkey and as Elaine says she's going to keep an eye on him, he looks up all serious and then quickly smiles at Guybrush.
  • edited October 2009
    The fact that both Guybrush & Elaine thought LeChuck's evil monkey plan didn't make any sense, and not typical of LeChuck, I do wonder if there isn't something more going on. Also, LeChuck (in chapter 1) didn't make that much of an effort to prevent Guybrush from going after him with the sword.

    Even as a "Good" guy, LeChuck hasn't given a good explaination of the monkey scheme.

    I mean, from what we know of LeChuck's earlier life, he wasn't this good before he went to Big Whoop. So, here's what I suspect is going on...

    It kinda works like Total Recall. The current personality is a fabrication, that's put on top of the real LeChuck. However, the real LeChuck is in total control & could take back the reins if it wants too. Currently, LeChuck's obsession with Elaine is the driving force & LeChuck is trying to win over Elaine by actually being the nice guy.

    If Elaine turns down LeChuck hard, and professes her love for Guybrush, I'm pretty sure the old LeChuck would come back. At least in human form.
  • edited October 2009
    I'm not really into the idea of LeChuck just turning back into the villain at the end. Very anti-climatic and just doesn't make a good story. Him having an extremely elaborate plan to conquer the seas is much better and would add a whole lot more to the story. It would also allow us to look at the other chapters in a different way, since we would then know LeChuck was only doing the things he did as a part of an insidious plot.
  • edited October 2009
    He's bad to the bone still! He didn't change one bit, he's just a brilliant actor playing every other character as suckers! There is a bit of proof from his facial expression in Siege of Spinner Cay when Guybrush first walks onto the cliff where LeChuck is...


    ... He's just got this sly look and looks as though he's thinking something along the lines of "hahaharr, excellent!"...
    ...looks to me like he's trying to figure out how to get the clamshell to work. I don't remember the scene exactly, but I was pretty sure there was an eyeline match with the clam.
  • edited October 2009
    Well after four games of him being villian it's hard not to think he's up to something.It doesn't help on the telltale site next to chapter five it had a image of zombie lechuck. Plus in EFMI and SOMI LeChuck showed us it was easy for him to masquerade as an alive person. who know if he's doing that again? Plus I really didn't care for what he said to Elaine during that cutscene on the ship in ch3. That and Guybrush showing him the sponge, who knows how LeChuck's going to take that. On the other hand, LeChuck was pretty helpful to you in Chapter 2 and It'd be nice to see Lechuck get a break. I don't mean he has to hook up with Elaine but it'd be neat to see him get a second chance at life and have DeSinge be the main bad guy. Should be interesting to see.
  • edited October 2009
    I really want him to be evil this whole time..... I do not like the idea of LeChuck even having a single good molecule in his body.
  • edited October 2009
    Irishmile wrote: »
    I really want him to be evil this whole time..... I do not like the idea of LeChuck even having a single good molecule in his body.

    I want his real identity to be like pouring lava into my horrified eyeballs. I want him to become so scary that I soak my pants in urine while screaming with the voices of a thousand tortured souls. I want electricity to shoot up and down my body from the pure energy of his evil while my ears are decimated by the terror of my own screaming. I want him to... I want him to... make me cry for my mommy.
  • edited October 2009
    You could probably get all those sensations if you can track down a can of "new" coke..... or some crystal Pepsi.
  • edited October 2009
    Irishmile wrote: »
    You could probably get all those sensations if you can track down a can of "new" coke..... or some crystal Pepsi.

    Or a copy of a Sinbad comedy special.
  • jmmjmm
    edited October 2009
    ...looks to me like he's trying to figure out how to get the clamshell to work. I don't remember the scene exactly, but I was pretty sure there was an eyeline match with the clam.

    I think LeChuck put the coupon near and just played dummy
  • edited October 2009
    I do like human LeChuck and I hope he's not evil. He could make a great supporting character in future games. Him reverting to the old stinky "Muahahah" villain would be rather disappointing for me. Evil LeChuck was fun the last 4 games, but the Good LeChuck just has so much untapped potential.
  • edited October 2009
    I think the human LeChuck is actually good but turns out evil in some accident withe LaEsponja Grande in the last episode.

    And I probably think that LeChuck can play a big role in rescuing Guybrush from the evil hands (or his own evil hand :) ) of the Marquis and Morgan in Episode 4.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck was supposed to be vile before he became a ghost pirate so I do not see why his current state of fluffiness wouldn't be just an act.

    Also on that topic Elaine was kind of the last person to see him as a human previously so she shouldn't have been so surprised to see what he looked like this time around.
  • edited October 2009
    Irishmile wrote: »
    LeChuck was supposed to be vile before he became a ghost pirate so I do not see why his current state of fluffiness wouldn't be just an act.

    Also on that topic Elaine was kind of the last person to see him as a human previously so she shouldn't have been so surprised to see what he looked like this time around.

    Well, it defiantly was stated that LeChuck was a villain even before becoming undead (look at the Escape of Monkey Island Ps2 manual for proof of that). It was never stated though what he really looked like and it appears that LeChuck may have been one evil guy, but he seemed to be a handsome evil guy. Just because Elaine hated him before doesn't mean she didn't find him attractive. I believe she invited him over to her house so she must have thought he was good looking. It was only after Elaine got to know him that she hated him.

    The same pattern is happening now, only in the opposite direction. When he turned human, Elaine saw the handsome form he had over a decade ago and it still surprised her. But even then she told Guybrush to finish him off, showing that she still saw him as a scumbag. She then saw another side of him, him being polite, nice, and being a gentleman, a side she never ever saw before. So she started to feel a little more attraction. So now, LeChuck has the looks and the personality, all that's in the way is Guybrush, but the pox seems to helping Elaine lose all emotional attachment to him.
  • edited October 2009
    I'm going to mention something for all the "LeChuck was evil before being ghost" people.

    I don't think the Cutlass of Kaflu just "un-killed" LeChuck. Look at how the pox makes everyone more evil. His evil nature is mixed in with his undead nature, they're interlinked.

    On the OTHER hand, it may have been part of a plan from Evil LeChuck to use a Good LeChuck? That seems like a bit(if not a LOT) of a stretch, but I'm reminded of(and I hate myself for making a modern anime reference, spoilers ahead for Death Note)
    Light Yagami utilizing his "good" self without knowledge of his identity as Kira/Killer/etc
    .

    Still, the whole thing feels like something to take at face value.
  • edited October 2009
    I'm going to mention something for all the "LeChuck was evil before being ghost" people.

    I don't think the Cutlass of Kaflu just "un-killed" LeChuck. Look at how the pox makes everyone more evil. His evil nature is mixed in with his undead nature, they're interlinked.

    On the OTHER hand, it may have been part of a plan from Evil LeChuck to use a Good LeChuck? That seems like a bit(if not a LOT) of a stretch, but I'm reminded of(and I hate myself for making a modern anime reference, spoilers ahead for Death Note)
    Light Yagami utilizing his "good" self without knowledge of his identity as Kira/Killer/etc
    .

    Still, the whole thing feels like something to take at face value.

    It could also be further evidence though that LeChuck is simply acting.
  • edited October 2009
    It could also be further evidence though that LeChuck is simply acting.
    ....

    How, exactly?
  • edited October 2009
    Alternatively..
    We could just wait and find out what happens?
    Dashing makes good points.
    But personally I hope LeChuck is good.
    It'd make a refreshing change.
  • edited October 2009
    ....

    How, exactly?

    Well, the fact that LeChuck was evil before he became undead could be evidence that the pox is simply his voodoo and his evil nature combined, but it could also be evidence that it simply got rid of his voodoo and left his evil nature. That would mean he's still evil, but simply covering it up by acting nice. It's also worth noting that LeChuck seems to be acting too nice, yeah he got cured and all, but him always smiling and taking every insult calmly makes it seem he's going out of his way to appear nice.
  • edited October 2009
    Well, the fact that LeChuck was evil before he became undead could be evidence that the pox is simply his voodoo and his evil nature combined, but it could also be evidence that it simply got rid of his voodoo and left his evil nature. That would mean he's still evil, but simply covering it up by acting nice. It's also worth noting that LeChuck seems to be acting too nice, yeah he got cured and all, but him always smiling and taking every insult calmly makes it seem he's going out of his way to appear nice.
    But see, then why is everyone affected by the pox turning evil at odd intervals? If it was just voodoo power, then wouldn't we we have magical undead pirates that are more or less the same as they ever were?
  • edited October 2009
    But see, then why is everyone affected by the pox turning evil at odd intervals? If it was just voodoo power, then wouldn't we we have magical undead pirates that are more or less the same as they ever were?

    Hmm, that is very true. You make a good point. However, LeChuck did get his powers from the gates of hell themselves, so the voodoo power he acquired is demonically evil in itself. LeChuck was evil prior to obtaining those powers, so when he found Big Whoop it made him into a true monster. So I think the pox represents the demonic voodoo energies, while LeChuck still has his evil mind and heart. So, I think the nature of the voodoo energies he found to become undead were evil itself and LeChuck simply used it to further his plans for Caribbean domination and what not. I believe LeChuck is still evil though even without his demonic energy. It was simply a tool for him.
  • edited October 2009
    Hmm, that is very true. You make a good point. However, LeChuck did get his powers from the gates of hell themselves, so the voodoo power he acquired is demonically evil in itself. LeChuck was evil prior to obtaining those powers, so when he found Big Whoop it made him into a true monster. So I think the pox represents the demonic voodoo energies, while LeChuck still has his evil mind and heart. So, I think the nature of the voodoo energies he found to become undead were evil themselves and LeChuck simply used it to further his plans for Caribbean domination and what not. I believe LeChuck is still evil though even without his demonic energy. It was simply a tool for him.
    Good points all around. But if the powers in and of themselves are evil, and are able to make others evil, then certainly it made LeChuck MORE evil? By what I assume would be a good deal, because everyone else just has little doses of his voodoo and evil.

    He could be repentant because of HOW evil the voodoo made him, or the voodoo may have become so linked with his evil that the two are inseparable. I personally go for the latter.

    Tales can prove me wrong at any moment, of course, but I don't think a backstab is what Tales is going for. Someone can be an antagonist...without being pure evil. They can even be an antagonist without any bad intentions.
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