Good points all around. But if the powers in and of themselves are evil, and are able to make others evil, then certainly it made LeChuck MORE evil? By what I assume would be a good deal, because everyone else just has little doses of his voodoo and evil.
He could be repentant because of HOW evil the voodoo made him, or the voodoo may have become so linked with his evil that the two are inseparable. I personally go for the latter.
Tales can prove me wrong at any moment, of course, but I don't think a backstab is what Tales is going for. Someone can be an antagonist...without being pure evil. They can even be an antagonist without any bad intentions.
I think it honestly depends on the host the pox takes over. For example, everyone under the pox's control has no recollection of what they did while under the influence. LeChuck knew full well what he was doing while in control of these powers. I think it's because LeChuck was so evil that he was able to control the energies, tame them, and use them as he pleased. For all we know, LeChuck may be manipulating people through the pox and making them do these actions.
I think it honestly depends on the host the pox takes over. For example, everyone under the pox's control has no recollection of what they did while under the influence. LeChuck knew full well what he was doing while in control of these powers. I think it's because LeChuck was so evil that he was able to control the energies, tame them, and use them as he pleased. For all we know, LeChuck may be manipulating people through the pox and making them do these actions.
I have a theory that I think is pretty neat. I think that LeChuck's new form isn't Human LeChuck, but the pox itself. That, perhaps, LeChuck left all of his human aspects(such as his remaining goodness), and became a being of pure evil voodoo that can affect people all over the Caribbean.
I have a theory that I think is pretty neat. I think that LeChuck's new form isn't Human LeChuck, but the pox itself. That, perhaps, LeChuck left all of his human aspects(such as his remaining goodness), and became a being of pure evil voodoo that can affect people all over the Caribbean.
Very possible. The pox is called the pox of LeChuck, so it his him in some shape or form. The game just seems to be hinting that human LeChuck is still evil and greedy. A lot of his lines are very suspicious and that whole speech he made when he found the summoning artifact, how it was pure gold and had powers. Sort of hints that he still has a greedy nature. Yeah, I know he's still a pirate, but that whole scene just seemed like a foreshadow. Plus, and I think this is VERY important, LeChuck says in the prologue of Chapter 1 that his outer shell is meaningless. That line is eerily relevant to the whole scenario.
I have a theory that I think is pretty neat. I think that LeChuck's new form isn't Human LeChuck, but the pox itself. That, perhaps, LeChuck left all of his human aspects(such as his remaining goodness), and became a being of pure evil voodoo that can affect people all over the Caribbean.
That is a pretty awesome theory.
Perhaps LeChuck has founded the power to posess people..
Perhaps we keep seeing 'pox'd' pirates because LeChuck is keeping an eye on Guybrush and Elaine..
Very nice..
Also, it's worth pointing out that LeChuck may be acting nice, but there are a lot of things that he has not done that he should have if he truly was nice. He has never apologized for anything he has done in the past, only about the pox to Guybrush. He doesn't seem the least bit concerned that Elaine has the pox and never even makes mention of her having it to her. He makes mention how things were easier by killing people. What nice person talks about how things were easier through mass murder?
Last thing is he did push Guybrush off the cliff and really had no reaction at all. He looks over the cliff and says his name very monotone and then just stands there. It's only after that he sees that Guybrush is alive that he acts concerned like it was a murder attempt and then he faked being concerned only after the found out he was alright. No apology as well for that whole "accident". Not exactly the gestures of someone who has Guybrush's best interest at hand.
Last thing is he did push Guybrush off the cliff and really had no reaction at all. He looks over the cliff and says his name very monotone and then just stands there. It's only after that he sees that Guybrush is alive that he acts concerned like it was a murder attempt and then he faked being concerned only after the found out he was alright. No apology as well for that whole "accident". Not exactly the gestures of someone who has Guybrush's best interest at hand.
Not to forget that shortly before he said "If I wanted to murder you I'd just throw you off this cliff." As a matter of fact, he did.
Not to forget that shortly before he said "If I wanted to murder you I'd just throw you off this cliff." As a matter of fact, he did.
Wow, I totally forgot that line, good fine there. Could be some hints right there. It just makes sense that LeChuck would try to get rid of Guybrush once he served his usefulness and helped him get the summoning artifact. I don't care how strong LeChuck is and how light Guybrush is, that had to be one hell of a push to knock him into an altar and cause it to break off the cliff.
Dunno if anyone noticed this before, but in Siege, LeChuck tells the monkey "Go and write with the shingle, the clam has almost grown feet."
What could that mean? He's definitely telling the monkeys to do things.
I don't know, I though he was trying to figure out how the clam worked. The monkey may have just been there. Anything is possible though, Tales has proven so.
Ok I'm going to pour cold water on a lot of these theories in one go:
LeChuck is stupid and was very powerful, resourceful and had almost unchallengable knowledge of Voodoo. I don't think, if he still had his evil, he'd have the patience or subtlety to act all nice for ages, what with all the frustration Guybrush, the puzzle and the pirate gang place on him. The Telltale writers and designers are made up of MI designer/writer veterans and hardcore fans. They know LeChuck's profile inside out and know better than to cut bits out (the playing fans would all notice and be very quick to call booo).
It appeared from our meeting on the cliff he still has all the knowledge and memories from before he had the Cutlass of Kaflu inflicted upon him. From the lines you've all mentioned in his frustrations, he clearly has the same personality. But somehow, he seems restricted, like the old LeChuck is fighting to get out but can't quite manage it due to the spell. Also, he must have come into contact with the randomly scattering Pox but must be immune to it (due to the cutlass) or we'd see Pox outbursts like everyone else.
So I reckon he'd only sacrifice himself if he saw it as the only way. It may have been part of his master plan in the beginning, but with the desire to turn a new leaf, turning evil and powerful again would undo all he'd done. I reckon he's not good as such because he's still obsessed with Elaine and getting his way, but he believes he's nice and wants to keep it up. Does anyone remember the brief moment we had on Elaine's ship between the transformation and when Guybrush got blasted to Flotsam? Aside from Elaine's reaction, LeChuck was first of all surprised, then he smirked when he saw what was about to happen to Guybrush (this is easily missed, as it's on the right edge of the moving shot and is out of view very quickly). He still hates him, clearly (you don't have to be evil to hate someone).
I don't think Elaine and LeChuck will finish their errand of returning the monkeys until halfway through the trial then get back to Flotsam in the nick of time for the execution (or moments/an hour or two before). LeChuck will begrudgingly help Guybrush escape, but only because Elaine wants him to.
The unknowns here are really the monkeys and the Voodoo Lady. I still feel they could change the overall situation completely when they reveal their hand.
Also, Telltale writes series like sitcoms. I can almost guarantee that at the end of the series, the situation will somehow revert to what we had to start with (i.e. LeChuck is evil & powerful and the other people are all Pox-free).
Let's turn the chessboard around for a second. Why is LeChuck releasing each monkey onto separate islands? Why release each monkey in a separate place? In Lair, LeChuck was very specific about this. Even if LeChuck isn't pure evil voodoo incarnate now, he still has something sneaky going on.
LeChuck is also obviously trying to keep Elaine to himself and away from Guybrush. And he's not even phased by her Pox-ual outbursts. Everyone else shows shock at the fiery evil attitudes brought out by the Pox, but LeChuck hardly bats an eye. That is the attitude of someone who has control of the situation and knows exactly what is going on.
We still don't know the meaning behind The Pirate God. The last we heard of this was in Episode one when LeChuck said the monkeys knew the secrets to turn him into a demon pirate king.
What is the real meaning behind the Rock of Gelato? So far our focus has been completely taken away from it, but it is THERE. I find it hard to believe it serves no purpose, especially as it was the site of LeChuck's incantations.
Let's turn the chessboard around for a second. Why is LeChuck releasing each monkey onto separate islands? Why release each monkey in a separate place? In Lair, LeChuck was very specific about this. Even if LeChuck isn't pure evil voodoo incarnate now, he still has something sneaky going on.
This is standard collectible magical artifact fare. To keep the magical items from coming back together to be put to evil use, you have to separate them all from one another by putting each one in a remote place. Also, those may have naturally been their homes in the first place, before LeChuck gathered them together.
Or, option three:
While he's still good, he DOES still have feelings for Elaine. So, he extends the good deed's length out as long as possible to spend more time with her.
Perhaps it's the top of a sunken island or something.
IF the Rock of Gelato has some important significance I hope that what we've seen of it so far is indeed only the top of it. This island looked more like a white blob to me which doesn't make me expect that it was meant to be an island for us to explore (then again, I was also a little dissapointed at how abstract and undetailled they made Flotsam look from the above-map-view).
Back to the theories: If I'm not mistaken, "Rock of Gelato" means "Rock of Ice". Maybe the Pirate God himself is be frozen in there - which is: he is an existing character already. The one who frees the God wins his favor and might use his power for his purposes. What do you think?
IF the Rock of Gelato has some important significance I hope that what we've seen of it so far is indeed only the top of it. This island looked more like a white blob to me
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Back to the theories: If I'm not mistaken, "Rock of Gelato" means "Rock of Ice".
I thought the Rock of Gelato was a play on the Rock of Gibraltar, which is an actual place:
Looks pretty similar!
And the Rock of Gilbraltar is home to a bunch of monkeys...
Back to the theories: If I'm not mistaken, "Rock of Gelato" means "Rock of Ice". Maybe the Pirate God himself is be frozen in there - which is: he is an existing character already. The one who frees the God wins his favor and might use his power for his purposes. What do you think?
Huh? I thought it was Italian for ice cream, and I assumed the developers were just hungry.
Huh? I thought it was Italian for ice cream, and I assumed the developers were just hungry.
Most european languages use the word "ice" for ice cream, as most do not contain any dairy products and Brussels doesn't like the fact the English call it ice cream when it has no cream in it.
Most european languages use the word "ice" for ice cream, as most do not contain any dairy products and Brussels doesn't like the fact the English call it ice cream when it has no cream in it.
Ah! That makes sense, since it's the same case for the Spanish "helado".
I actually probably should have made the connection, it's just that I've seen "Gelato" used in conjunction with ice cream SO OFTEN that I didn't really think about it.
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I think it honestly depends on the host the pox takes over. For example, everyone under the pox's control has no recollection of what they did while under the influence. LeChuck knew full well what he was doing while in control of these powers. I think it's because LeChuck was so evil that he was able to control the energies, tame them, and use them as he pleased. For all we know, LeChuck may be manipulating people through the pox and making them do these actions.
Very possible. The pox is called the pox of LeChuck, so it his him in some shape or form. The game just seems to be hinting that human LeChuck is still evil and greedy. A lot of his lines are very suspicious and that whole speech he made when he found the summoning artifact, how it was pure gold and had powers. Sort of hints that he still has a greedy nature. Yeah, I know he's still a pirate, but that whole scene just seemed like a foreshadow. Plus, and I think this is VERY important, LeChuck says in the prologue of Chapter 1 that his outer shell is meaningless. That line is eerily relevant to the whole scenario.
That is a pretty awesome theory.
Perhaps LeChuck has founded the power to posess people..
Perhaps we keep seeing 'pox'd' pirates because LeChuck is keeping an eye on Guybrush and Elaine..
Very nice..
Last thing is he did push Guybrush off the cliff and really had no reaction at all. He looks over the cliff and says his name very monotone and then just stands there. It's only after that he sees that Guybrush is alive that he acts concerned like it was a murder attempt and then he faked being concerned only after the found out he was alright. No apology as well for that whole "accident". Not exactly the gestures of someone who has Guybrush's best interest at hand.
Not to forget that shortly before he said "If I wanted to murder you I'd just throw you off this cliff." As a matter of fact, he did.
Wow, I totally forgot that line, good fine there. Could be some hints right there. It just makes sense that LeChuck would try to get rid of Guybrush once he served his usefulness and helped him get the summoning artifact. I don't care how strong LeChuck is and how light Guybrush is, that had to be one hell of a push to knock him into an altar and cause it to break off the cliff.
What could that mean? He's definitely telling the monkeys to do things.
I don't know, I though he was trying to figure out how the clam worked. The monkey may have just been there. Anything is possible though, Tales has proven so.
LeChuck is stupid and was very powerful, resourceful and had almost unchallengable knowledge of Voodoo. I don't think, if he still had his evil, he'd have the patience or subtlety to act all nice for ages, what with all the frustration Guybrush, the puzzle and the pirate gang place on him. The Telltale writers and designers are made up of MI designer/writer veterans and hardcore fans. They know LeChuck's profile inside out and know better than to cut bits out (the playing fans would all notice and be very quick to call booo).
It appeared from our meeting on the cliff he still has all the knowledge and memories from before he had the Cutlass of Kaflu inflicted upon him. From the lines you've all mentioned in his frustrations, he clearly has the same personality. But somehow, he seems restricted, like the old LeChuck is fighting to get out but can't quite manage it due to the spell. Also, he must have come into contact with the randomly scattering Pox but must be immune to it (due to the cutlass) or we'd see Pox outbursts like everyone else.
So I reckon he'd only sacrifice himself if he saw it as the only way. It may have been part of his master plan in the beginning, but with the desire to turn a new leaf, turning evil and powerful again would undo all he'd done. I reckon he's not good as such because he's still obsessed with Elaine and getting his way, but he believes he's nice and wants to keep it up. Does anyone remember the brief moment we had on Elaine's ship between the transformation and when Guybrush got blasted to Flotsam? Aside from Elaine's reaction, LeChuck was first of all surprised, then he smirked when he saw what was about to happen to Guybrush (this is easily missed, as it's on the right edge of the moving shot and is out of view very quickly). He still hates him, clearly (you don't have to be evil to hate someone).
I don't think Elaine and LeChuck will finish their errand of returning the monkeys until halfway through the trial then get back to Flotsam in the nick of time for the execution (or moments/an hour or two before). LeChuck will begrudgingly help Guybrush escape, but only because Elaine wants him to.
The unknowns here are really the monkeys and the Voodoo Lady. I still feel they could change the overall situation completely when they reveal their hand.
LeChuck is also obviously trying to keep Elaine to himself and away from Guybrush. And he's not even phased by her Pox-ual outbursts. Everyone else shows shock at the fiery evil attitudes brought out by the Pox, but LeChuck hardly bats an eye. That is the attitude of someone who has control of the situation and knows exactly what is going on.
We still don't know the meaning behind The Pirate God. The last we heard of this was in Episode one when LeChuck said the monkeys knew the secrets to turn him into a demon pirate king.
What is the real meaning behind the Rock of Gelato? So far our focus has been completely taken away from it, but it is THERE. I find it hard to believe it serves no purpose, especially as it was the site of LeChuck's incantations.
Or, option three:
While he's still good, he DOES still have feelings for Elaine. So, he extends the good deed's length out as long as possible to spend more time with her.
Nah. That'd annoy the fans out of sheer lack of originality.
IF the Rock of Gelato has some important significance I hope that what we've seen of it so far is indeed only the top of it. This island looked more like a white blob to me which doesn't make me expect that it was meant to be an island for us to explore (then again, I was also a little dissapointed at how abstract and undetailled they made Flotsam look from the above-map-view).
Back to the theories: If I'm not mistaken, "Rock of Gelato" means "Rock of Ice". Maybe the Pirate God himself is be frozen in there - which is: he is an existing character already. The one who frees the God wins his favor and might use his power for his purposes. What do you think?
I thought the Rock of Gelato was a play on the Rock of Gibraltar, which is an actual place:
Looks pretty similar!
And the Rock of Gilbraltar is home to a bunch of monkeys...
Most european languages use the word "ice" for ice cream, as most do not contain any dairy products and Brussels doesn't like the fact the English call it ice cream when it has no cream in it.
I actually probably should have made the connection, it's just that I've seen "Gelato" used in conjunction with ice cream SO OFTEN that I didn't really think about it.