MAJOR SPOILERS: The ending could mean...

Well, I thought of this earlier in one thread, and with a slightly positive response even, but that was before the release of chapter 4.

Now, regarding the ending...
We have for some time now discussed different ways of having Guybrush return to Monkey Island, as well as reasons to why he should not. Not many people would like to revisit the island, mainly because it's free of hermits, cannibals and giant monkey heads.

But with both Guybrush and Morgan getting killed, there's a possibility for the both of them to return to the island.

Does anyone out there remember the vicious mushroom-covered lands resting BENEATH Monkey Island, and what roles they played...?
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  • edited October 2009
    Well, I thought of this earlier in one thread, and with a slightly positive response even, but that was before the release of chapter 4.

    Now, regarding the ending...
    We have for some time now discussed different ways of having Guybrush return to Monkey Island, as well as reasons to why he should not. Not many people would like to revisit the island, mainly because it's free of hermits, cannibals and giant monkey heads.

    But with both Guybrush and Morgan getting killed, there's a possibility for the both of them to return to the island.

    Does anyone out there remember the vicious mushroom-covered lands resting BENEATH Monkey Island, and what roles they played...?

    interesting thought, but i wonder what was
    in that chest that Elane was after in the game, also the voodoo lady talked about some of her other voodoo items in her hut being taken out before it blew up.
  • edited October 2009
    If you actully go back to his house again, you will see that Morgans body has disappered, so i wonder if she is really dead or what has happened

    i must say somehow this episode really topped out for me in so many climaxs, and the humor and the sadness, god damn this is amazing episode, they better do another season else ill be very sad :(
  • edited October 2009
    interesting thought, but i wonder what was
    in that chest that Elane was after in the game, also the voodoo lady talked about some of her other voodoo items in her hut being taken out before it blew up.
    Judging from DeSinge's actions and everything, it's likely empty and nothing but a lure for Elaine to walk over the clamshell.
  • edited October 2009
    The Monkey Island cannibals will resurrect Guybrush as their replacement navigator head, and he'll have to have Elaine carry him around so he can solve puzzles.
  • LupLup
    edited October 2009
    Funny, i didn't think you could die in Lucas Arts adventure games.
    hmm...
  • edited October 2009
    The Monkey Island cannibals will resurrect Guybrush as their replacement navigator head, and he'll have to have Elaine carry him around so he can solve puzzles.

    What makes you say that?
  • edited October 2009
    Lup wrote: »
    Funny, i didn't think you could die in LucasArts adventure games.
    hmm...

    But in a Telltale game derived from a LucasArts franchise, that's another matter :p

    But I agree, it was as much a shock to the system as Morgan cutting off Guybrush's hand was, if not more (as in where do we go from here as an ongoing saga?).
  • edited October 2009
    I reckon Guybrush could be resurrected using his own hand (like LeChuck was from his own beard in MI2) but Morgan can't be brought back
  • edited October 2009
    That truly had to be the most emotional scene in any monkey island game. Zero humor. Everything was so emotional, even Elaine telling LeChuck to go to hell. LeChuck was just plain out cruel in that scene with absolutely no comical undertones, perfect villain. I don't miss the human LeChuck, he was great, but they defiantly used him to the full potential. No reason to draw out that form anymore. Glad to see he was behind everything, though I'm dying to know all the steps in his plans including the one with the voodoo lady being arrested.
  • edited October 2009
    That truly had to be the most emotional scene in any monkey island game. Zero humor. Everything was so emotional, even Elaine telling LeChuck to go to hell. LeChuck was just plain out cruel in that scene with absolutely no comical undertones, perfect villain.

    That was a real Disney moment, as was the one with Morgan. Perfect tone, correct length, did the characters justice.
    I don't miss the human LeChuck, he was great, but they definitely used him to the full potential. No reason to draw out that form anymore.

    Agreed. They know how to quit when they're ahead, it would seem.
  • edited October 2009
    That truly had to be the most emotional scene in any monkey island game. Zero humor. Everything was so emotional, even Elaine telling LeChuck to go to hell.

    Personally, I would never have believed
    "dairy farmer"/"cow"
    could be used with such an emotional impact.
  • edited October 2009
    The human LeChuck was very entertaining, but when all comes together in a true Monkey Island, there has to be a demon LeChuck to defeat. Who knows, maybe thefinale will be like the beginning, with LeChuck and Guybrush facing each other in front of the Rock of Gelato.
    De Singe did not kill Morgan; maybe it was LeChuck.
    However, with Morgan disappearing, I suppose that the monkey Jaqcues gave her some juice de vie.
    Then with the plans shown with the projector maybe they can mix up some more of it after Elaine severed LeChuck´s hand. This is used to save Guybrush.

    Something along those lines.
  • edited October 2009
    Well, De Singe defiantly didn't kill Morgan. No way in hell would he be able to best her in a sword fight, with or without his elixir. I want to say LeChuck, but why would he do it, aside from being a scheming psychopath who enjoys murdering people for sport. I'm sure there will be a part in the next chapter where LeChuck reveals everything and outlines the steps in his plans throughout all the chapters.
  • LupLup
    edited October 2009
    the scene at the end and when guybrush is dieing didn't make me as sad as the death of morgan... guybrush just is an immortal charakter for me and so it was though dramatic but no sad moment.
    But after Morgans deathscene eaverything is so sad. I made guybrush look at the microscope on the table and he just sais something like "its broken" in a way that made me think about how this episode could have any funny moments anymore :/
    great episode though
  • edited October 2009
    That 'Jacques' is one important monkey in this game!
  • edited October 2009
    I can't believe what an effect Morgan's death had on me..... And I couldn't believe the venom in Guybrush's voice when he uttered, "DeSINGE....."
  • edited October 2009
    Did anyone try to use the hook with our mad doctor....Guybrush has a true dark side to him in this game.
  • edited October 2009
    108 Stars wrote: »
    The human LeChuck was very entertaining, but when all comes together in a true Monkey Island, there has to be a demon LeChuck to defeat. Who knows, maybe thefinale will be like the beginning, with LeChuck and Guybrush facing each other in front of the Rock of Gelato.

    Technically, Monkey Island 2 didn't end that way. Yeah, you get the scene with Guybrush ripping LeChuck's leg off (and his arm falling off and the dog taking it away) and "I am your brother" and all that, but the amusement park scene shows that LeChuck is just fine, and his zombie form isn't actually defeated until three months later (according to Stan, if you ask him to be your lawyer) at the start of the third game. Really, Monkey Island 2 is fairly unique in that it ends with the villain defeating the hero.

    Also, this brings something else to mind. Tales is the first Monkey Island where we don't find out how LeChuck was resurrected after his last defeat. His ghost is defeated with root beer, his beard is used to bring him back as a zombie, which is destroyed by a voodoo cannonball, which turns him into a fire demon, which is trapped under ice, only to be saved by Ozzie Mandrill. Then he possesses a giant statue and gets destroyed in a giant voodoo explosion when he breaks Ozzie's Ultimate Insult. Then what? I'm not saying that it's at all necessary to explain how he came back, just that this is the first time that no explanation has been given.
    Well, De Singe defiantly didn't kill Morgan. No way in hell would he be able to best her in a sword fight, with or without his elixir. I want to say LeChuck, but why would he do it, aside from being a scheming psychopath who enjoys murdering people for sport. I'm sure there will be a part in the next chapter where LeChuck reveals everything and outlines the steps in his plans throughout all the chapters.

    De Singe definitely could've done it. He had the advantage of immortality, and Morgan's skill level wouldn't matter if she did what Elaine did and dropped her sword in surprise when the Marquis didn't die. If she had done that, De Singe could've easily pulled the sword out of himself and stabbed her with it. Besides, LeChuck hadn't busted out of prison yet, plus as far as we've seen, he'd never even met Morgan, much less had any reason to kill her.
    countbleck wrote: »
    I can't believe what an effect Morgan's death had on me..... And I couldn't believe the venom in Guybrush's voice when he uttered, "DeSINGE....."

    Yeah, Dominic Armato definitely deserves some credit for the emotion he put into that. He's made Guybrush sound happy, worried, nervous, flustered, even smarmy, and countless other light emotions. I believe this is the first time Guybrush has ever sounded genuinely pissed.
  • edited October 2009
    My theories:

    De Singe didn't kill Morgan - why would he deny it if he did? Seeing as he got totally evaporated in the end and his story is finished.

    LeChuck most lkely didn't kill Morgan either. He was in jail the whole time.

    Morgan is probably not dead else why make a point of her body dissapearing.

    My crazy theory: She might have been Lechuck's accomplice all that time and will come back next episode alive/undead.
  • edited October 2009

    Also, this brings something else to mind. Tales is the first Monkey Island where we don't find out how LeChuck was resurrected after his last defeat. His ghost is defeated with root beer, his beard is used to bring him back as a zombie, which is destroyed by a voodoo cannonball, which turns him into a fire demon, which is trapped under ice, only to be saved by Ozzie Mandrill. Then he possesses a giant statue and gets destroyed in a giant voodoo explosion when he breaks Ozzie's Ultimate Insult. Then what? I'm not saying that it's at all necessary to explain how he came back, just that this is the first time that no explanation has been given.

    They said that the beginning of Taales of Monkey Island started from the ending of the so-called Monkey island film... so we won't know how he returned to life...:(
  • edited October 2009
    Olegdr wrote: »
    My crazy theory: She might have been Lechuck's accomplice all that time and will come back next episode alive/undead.

    Naw. That would be a colossal anticlimax after her immense regret in the last two scenes she was in. I think she has to come back, but not on LeChuck's side.
  • edited October 2009
    Hm, perhaps Guybrush and Morgan
    as ghosts, will have to team up to find a way to resurrect themselves? Sure, that doesn't explain her disappearing corpse, but Guybrush would get lonely if he had to wander around the land of the dead (or whatever) with only Noogie for company.
  • edited October 2009
    Couldn't LeChuck have killed Morgan before he entered the courthouse for the first time?
  • edited October 2009
    pluizig wrote: »
    Couldn't LeChuck have killed Morgan before he entered the courthouse for the first time?

    Yea, that makes sense. I didn't think of it actually, because I only entered De Singe's house rather late in the game.
  • edited October 2009
    Personally, i think there may have been some significance in the fact Guybrush was executed with the formerly cursedcutlas of kaflu. and maybe Elaine killed Morgan...
  • edited October 2009
    Friar wrote: »
    Personally, i think there may have been some significance in the fact Guybrush was executed with the formerly cursedcutlas of kaflu. and maybe Elaine killed Morgan...

    I kinda thought that too for a moment, until I remembered that you can tell Elaine in the last part that DeSinge killed Morgan; Poxed Elaine just mentions that maybe he's not that bad after all, and I can imagine with half the things she's been ranting about, she'd take credit if she ran Morgan through herself. '


    Now Im giggling remembering her yelling at Morgan to stay away from Guybrush's pants. Heh.
  • edited October 2009
    The rowboat disappeared from next to the fire after her body disappeared so i assume we are to believe she made off on that? come to think of it im surprised at the number of red herrings in this game, expected the fire/oil/molten glass to come in useful
  • edited October 2009
    Olegdr wrote: »
    My theories:

    De Singe didn't kill Morgan - why would he deny it if he did? Seeing as he got totally evaporated in the end and his story is finished.

    LeChuck most lkely didn't kill Morgan either. He was in jail the whole time.

    Morgan is probably not dead else why make a point of her body dissapearing.

    My crazy theory: She might have been Lechuck's accomplice all that time and will come back next episode alive/undead.
    The things that bugs me is that she died with her own sword in the chest!

    How could it possibly be?!?
  • edited October 2009
    Lup wrote: »
    Funny, i didn't think you could die in LucasArts adventure games.
    hmm...

    That's a terribly wrong statement.

    Think of how many possible deaths there were in the Indy games. And anyway this is not a puzzle gone wrong, this is part of the plot. There's death as a plot point in The Dig, not to mention Grim Fandango, where Death itself IS the plot.
  • edited October 2009
    RMJ1984 wrote: »
    If you actully go back to his house again, you will see that Morgans body has disappered, so i wonder if she is really dead or what has happened
    My first thought was that Morgan could have been in league with a secondary antagonist (who by that time clearly wasn't de Singe). But then, despite the death & possible resurrection, I couldn't see the character (Morgan's) being used in that way. I don't think Monkey Island will ever have the serious gravitas to attempt a story-line like that. I should think she's definitely to re-appear, given Guybrush's own death and inevitable return. It would be a pity if she didn't given the extra dimension she brings & the light relief. Even if she was a bad-badguy.
    tbm1986 wrote: »
    But I agree, it was as much a shock to the system as Morgan cutting off Guybrush's hand was, if not more (as in where do we go from here as an ongoing saga?).
    I never found the whole hand thing shocking. The hook really suited Guybrush's new surfer-dude hair, would be fun to keep it!
    Olegdr wrote: »
    LeChuck most lkely didn't kill Morgan either. He was in jail the whole time.
    Although we all know how easy it is to sneak past the frankly uninspired guards!
    Olegdr wrote: »
    Morgan is probably not dead else why make a point of her body dissapearing.

    My crazy theory: She might have been Lechuck's accomplice all that time and will come back next episode alive/undead.
    This is what I thought at first. But then, I just can't see this being the case because I don't know how the character could be redeemed from such an action. I don't think it would suit the rest of the story for la Flay to have been an enemy in disguise. For me, there would be too many questions, though in theory I suppose they could be answered by the fact that de Singe had to make his breakthroughs before she could backstab Guybrush. Still, it was kinda nice having an eager, sassy fan of Guybrush and I feel sorry for the poor guy!
  • edited October 2009
    Technically, Monkey Island 2 didn't end that way. Yeah, you get the scene with Guybrush ripping LeChuck's leg off (and his arm falling off and the dog taking it away) and "I am your brother" and all that, but the amusement park scene shows that LeChuck is just fine, and his zombie form isn't actually defeated until three months later (according to Stan, if you ask him to be your lawyer) at the start of the third game.

    Hang on.. Stan said he was in the coffin for three months, but Elaine says that she didnt see Guybrush after the end of the second game for three *years*.

    Bearing in mind that Wally managed to get through twelve installments of LeChuck's monthly guide on how to be a pirate by the time he meets Guybrush again in CMI, is he a fast reader or a very slow one?!
  • LupLup
    edited October 2009
    That's a terribly wrong statement.

    Think of how many possible deaths there were in the Indy games. And anyway this is not a puzzle gone wrong, this is part of the plot. There's death as a plot point in The Dig, not to mention Grim Fandango, where Death itself IS the plot.

    this is not my statement! its just a quote from MI3. It's what Mort the Gravedigger says after guybrush faked his own death to get into the Goodsoup family crypt.
    so go tell him! ;)
  • edited October 2009
    It couldn't have been DeSinge. 1, when he ran away, he didn't have an "OMG I just killed someone" kind of look, it was a truly terrified look. 2, he was in the jungle with Elaine, so neither of them could've disposed of her body.

    LeChuck couldn't have killed her either. In order to arrive right when Elaine arrived, he would've had to go straight to the courthouse, and later he couldn't have either, because he was in jail.

    We always knew where Elaine was, so she's also not a probable suspect.

    I think Morgan killed herself. And that she's not actually dead. I mean, her body mysteriously disappeared, I don't think anyone would've had a reason to go up to the doctor's place to remove her body, other than the characters that are known to have been doing something else. Also, she was "alive" for quite a while. She had a message from Jacques, and there were plans for DeSinge's machine in the room---I think this ties in some how. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait until the next episode to find out what happens. I think Guybrush has to come back because Elaine is in no position to save herself. Unless Morgan reappears then... But still, killing off the main character? Seems unlikely.
  • LupLup
    edited October 2009
    let's say the monkey did it!
  • edited October 2009
    However...this ending was LEGENDARY !!! (Barney Stinson's style)
  • LupLup
    edited October 2009
    it definitely was a great ending... does someone remember Morgans last words though?
  • edited October 2009
    Could the Voodoo Lady have killed Morgan?
  • edited October 2009
    LewisKerr wrote: »
    Could the Voodoo Lady have killed Morgan?

    Yes. Morgan's presence was a threat to fate's development for Guybrush / Elaine / LeChuck so she was killed by her. At least, I think that would make sense.
  • edited October 2009
    LeChuck couldn't have killed her either. In order to arrive right when Elaine arrived, he would've had to go straight to the courthouse, and later he couldn't have either, because he was in jail.

    LeChuck isn't as smart as Guybrush. But then the guard at the prison was fairly stupid. It's possible.

    Definitely funny-business in re: Morgan disappearing. She's probably in on what's happening.
  • edited October 2009
    Well, it would fit if LeChuck did murder Morgan. That would mean he was in the lab and would see the plans for the wind device. That would explain how he knew to go to it at the end of the chapter. Either that or he was working with De Singe the whole time or perhaps used the voodoo lady's journal to see the future.
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