She could easily dye and cut her hair, so that wouldn't be a problem.
I don't know much about the history of hair dye (i.e. when it was invented, when it became widely available), and I know this series has a lot of anachronisms, but if this was the case, I would find a wig to be far more likely.
That said, I'm really not feeling this one. I doubt they'd bring Kate Capsize back without explicitly stating that it's her, and if they were trying to mislead or make reference to her, I totally missed it. It feels like a bit of a reach to me.
The very thing I thought when I heard about a second Guybrush Threepwood was "hey, they're trying to find a way to have Ron Gilbert make his own version of Monkey Island 3". See, the Big Whoop was a ticket to another dimension, so by finding Big Whoop, a second reality was suddenly created, and from there on, the original Guybrush became two different Guybrush'es. Thus two storylines were created, and so far we've only heard the CMI-Tales version. Be sure, we'll see a Monkey Island 3 someday, with Guybrush Q Threepwood as the main character (he's still the same one, just in a different reality).
No! Bad! It's bad enough that one of my other favorite game series (Zelda) made the split-timeline theory canon, we don't need any of those crazy ideas here. Besides, I would consider Ron Gilbert's involvement in Tales to be an indication that he's perfectly happy with the current direction of the series and wouldn't go back and make an alternate Monkey Island 3 if he had the chance.
Not that I would dare put words in the Creator's mouth. This is just my impression of things based on his involvement here and a few interviews.
Besides, the timeline would've had to have been split sometime around Guybrush's birth, because I don't see how traveling between dimensions and creating a split timeline would cause his middle name to change from Ulysses to something starting with Q. If you want a split timeline, you'll need some reason that Guybrush's life suddenly took a different turn after MI2 as a direct result of his middle initial being Q instead of U.
She said that he sunk her Marlin fishing boat. Last time I checked Kate Capsize had a glass-bottom boat. I'm sorry to those who want to believe but they are very clearly two different people.
She said that he sunk her Marlin fishing boat. Last time I checked Kate Capsize had a glass-bottom boat. I'm sorry to those who want to believe but they are very clearly two different people.
I see no reason that she couldn't fish for marlin with a glass-bottomed boat.
And what exactly are you apologizing for?
I see no reason that she couldn't fish for marlin with a glass-bottomed boat.
And what exactly are you apologizing for?
I'm not sure Marlin fishing on a glass bottom boat would be entirely wise. Plus she also mentions all the things that Guybush Q. Theepwood did to her were on or around islands Guybrush U. Theepwood had never been to or had even heard of. Plus our Guybrush genuinely didn't recognize her. I don't know what more proof you need? As far as I'm concerned there is no question that they could possibly be the same person. If they were what would Telltale have to gain by not revealing it?
I'm not sure Marlin fishing on a glass bottom boat would be entirely wise.
Regardless, she could have owned more than one boat.
Plus she also mentions all the things that Guybush Q. Theepwood did to her were on or around islands Guybrush U. Theepwood had never been to or had even heard of.
Guybrush finds himself on new islands he's never heard of in every game. She's just been to some that he hasn't.
Plus our Guybrush genuinely didn't recognize her. I don't know what more proof you need?
If it is Kate, he hasn't seen her for a long time. With her new hair, the pox, and the fact that she's been introduced as someone else, it's quite plausible that he wouldn't recognize her.
As far as I'm concerned there is no question that they could possibly be the same person. If they were what would Telltale have to gain by not revealing it?
Guybrush finds himself on new islands he's never heard of in every game. She's just been to some that he hasn't.
There's your sticking point. She accuses him of doing things to her on these islands he's never been to. She's not just saying she's been there, she's saying they both have, and Guybrush hasn't.
There's your sticking point. She accuses him of doing things to her on these islands he's never been to. She's not just saying she's been there, she's saying they both have, and Guybrush hasn't.
What exactly is your point here? From the start of this thread I've maintained that the second Guybrush is the one who keeps harassing her. Guybrush Q was on those islands, not Guybrush U.
Not entirely sure if I follow this discussion at all anymore.. starting to get confusing with too many guybrushes in the room.
As far as I got it from the game though, Krebbs isnt' Kate Capsize, but she is meant to make us think she is... at first... to make anyone who knows the first games well enough go "omg, that is kate capsize", before getting hit in the head with "no, it bloody well isn't".
So no, as far as I can tell she is a fascinating character all on her own.
And as far as her being unfriendly, once guybrush actually tries a line that doesn't warrant knuckles across the face she seems quite taken by him
after the elaine and morgan fight, go back to the bar and chat her up again
I do not even see how people could think its her.... Sure TTG made it look like it could be, but her story is similar but not exact. Plus she looks nothing like her.
I've already put forward my rationalization of their stories. Looks don't really come into it. Kate was heavily pixellated. All we could really see was that she was a woman with long, reddish-brown hair. With a new hairstyle, Kathryn fits the bill fine.
Like I said in my original post, it's part of her new persona. Guybrush Q destroyed Kate's reputation, so she became Kathryn, and a new hairstyle is part of that transition.
I don't think we are getting anywhere here, Irishmile. If anything we are increasing his fanatical devotion to the cause. Unless someone from Telltale steps in and explains it one way or the other I think we are just going to have to walk away here with a difference of opinion.
I have to say you are taking this extremely well. Normally on the internet when someone or some people attacks someones viewpoint tears are shed, hissyfits are thrown, name calling ensues, bans are enforced, etc. I'm glad to see nobody is taking any of this personally. This is undoubtedly the first instance of this happening on the internet to date
I have to say you are taking this extremely well. Normally on the internet when someone or some people attacks someones viewpoint tears are shed, hissyfits are thrown, name calling ensues, bans are enforced, etc. I'm glad to see nobody is taking any of this personally. This is undoubtedly the first instance of this happening on the internet to date
I never really saw this as attacks, just a friendly debate.
You only get problems like that when people are passionate about what they're arguing about. I'm just having fun.
I think they were just messing with us, and I felt a bit messed-with. I expected her to whip off her wig during the confrontation at the club after the trial, and I wasn't that impressed with the "other Guybrush" gag.
I almost wonder if they tried to make her into Kate Capsize for a couple drafts of the script, then didn't feel like it fit, and worked her back into a new character.
One of the things I think is interesting if you look over the recurring characters from the Monkey Island series, there are only a few per game, and it's rare for any character to appear in more than two games (outside of the 3 main characters, there are 2 who appear in every game, and prior to Tales, just one other who appeared in 3 games*). So while Telltale has the regulars covered now, and I guess Murray is a new regular, I'd say there's room for maybe one more character (or perhaps one "set" of characters) that haven't yet recurred. Kate Capsize would be a nice choice, I think.
I became increasingly incoherent in that paragraph, but hopefully my point comes across.
*A list off the top of my head, non-main recurring characters prior to Tales:
Stan: 1 - 4
Voodoo Lady: 1 - 4
Herman Toothrot: 1, 2, 4
Men of Low Moral Fiber: 1, 2
Lemonhead: 1, 3
Wally: 2, 3
Murray: 3, 4
Meathook, Carla and Otis: 1, 4
I think that's it, excluding the "flashback" and animatronic characters in MI3.
So from that I'd say that, with or without including Tales, Murray is unique in being the only post-MI1 character to become a "regular" by appear in every iteration since his creation. I'd also say that the "trend" if there is any at all, would suggest that it'd be cool if Tales brought back somebody from at least a couple games ago, who has so far only appeared in one game.
So from that I'd say that, with or without including Tales, Murray is unique in being the only post-MI1 character to become a "regular" by appear in every iteration since his creation. I'd also say that the "trend" if there is any at all, would suggest that it'd be cool if Tales brought back somebody from at least a couple games ago, who has so far only appeared in one game.
Funny thing is Murray was only supposed to be in the first chapter of Curse. He was so popular in the demo that they had to write him into the rest of the story. He's the character the fans won't let die, figuratively
I saw Kathryn as a subtle dig from Telltale at all of us who were absolutely convinced that the mystery voice at the end of chapter one was Kate... cracked me up.
(but then they may have written this part of the game already by July, so maybe not)
Honestly, the thought of Kate Capsize never even crossed my mind. It wasn't until I saw this thread that I noticed ANY similarities.
Maybe my lifelong annoyance with Kate Capshaw in "Temple of Doom" has subconsciously made me ignore the possibility of any character with a similar name returning. :P
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I don't know much about the history of hair dye (i.e. when it was invented, when it became widely available), and I know this series has a lot of anachronisms, but if this was the case, I would find a wig to be far more likely.
That said, I'm really not feeling this one. I doubt they'd bring Kate Capsize back without explicitly stating that it's her, and if they were trying to mislead or make reference to her, I totally missed it. It feels like a bit of a reach to me.
No! Bad! It's bad enough that one of my other favorite game series (Zelda) made the split-timeline theory canon, we don't need any of those crazy ideas here. Besides, I would consider Ron Gilbert's involvement in Tales to be an indication that he's perfectly happy with the current direction of the series and wouldn't go back and make an alternate Monkey Island 3 if he had the chance.
Not that I would dare put words in the Creator's mouth. This is just my impression of things based on his involvement here and a few interviews.
Besides, the timeline would've had to have been split sometime around Guybrush's birth, because I don't see how traveling between dimensions and creating a split timeline would cause his middle name to change from Ulysses to something starting with Q. If you want a split timeline, you'll need some reason that Guybrush's life suddenly took a different turn after MI2 as a direct result of his middle initial being Q instead of U.
Sure, why not? That works too.
I see no reason that she couldn't fish for marlin with a glass-bottomed boat.
And what exactly are you apologizing for?
I'm not sure Marlin fishing on a glass bottom boat would be entirely wise. Plus she also mentions all the things that Guybush Q. Theepwood did to her were on or around islands Guybrush U. Theepwood had never been to or had even heard of. Plus our Guybrush genuinely didn't recognize her. I don't know what more proof you need? As far as I'm concerned there is no question that they could possibly be the same person. If they were what would Telltale have to gain by not revealing it?
Guybrush finds himself on new islands he's never heard of in every game. She's just been to some that he hasn't.
If it is Kate, he hasn't seen her for a long time. With her new hair, the pox, and the fact that she's been introduced as someone else, it's quite plausible that he wouldn't recognize her.
A secret cameo for long-time fans.
There's your sticking point. She accuses him of doing things to her on these islands he's never been to. She's not just saying she's been there, she's saying they both have, and Guybrush hasn't.
What exactly is your point here? From the start of this thread I've maintained that the second Guybrush is the one who keeps harassing her. Guybrush Q was on those islands, not Guybrush U.
As far as I got it from the game though, Krebbs isnt' Kate Capsize, but she is meant to make us think she is... at first... to make anyone who knows the first games well enough go "omg, that is kate capsize", before getting hit in the head with "no, it bloody well isn't".
So no, as far as I can tell she is a fascinating character all on her own.
And as far as her being unfriendly, once guybrush actually tries a line that doesn't warrant knuckles across the face she seems quite taken by him
after the elaine and morgan fight, go back to the bar and chat her up again
Jake? Michael Stemmle? Anyone? Dave Grossman?...
I have to say you are taking this extremely well. Normally on the internet when someone or some people attacks someones viewpoint tears are shed, hissyfits are thrown, name calling ensues, bans are enforced, etc. I'm glad to see nobody is taking any of this personally. This is undoubtedly the first instance of this happening on the internet to date
And...apparently quoting myself from another site doesn't count as a post, so I have to say something. Blah.
You only get problems like that when people are passionate about what they're arguing about. I'm just having fun.
Just kidding
Well, I hate you more! And your cat! If you don't have a cat, go buy one so I can hate it!
Aww, that one hurt. I'm going to go sit in the corner and cry now.
Thread officially derailed LOL
I almost wonder if they tried to make her into Kate Capsize for a couple drafts of the script, then didn't feel like it fit, and worked her back into a new character.
One of the things I think is interesting if you look over the recurring characters from the Monkey Island series, there are only a few per game, and it's rare for any character to appear in more than two games (outside of the 3 main characters, there are 2 who appear in every game, and prior to Tales, just one other who appeared in 3 games*). So while Telltale has the regulars covered now, and I guess Murray is a new regular, I'd say there's room for maybe one more character (or perhaps one "set" of characters) that haven't yet recurred. Kate Capsize would be a nice choice, I think.
I became increasingly incoherent in that paragraph, but hopefully my point comes across.
*A list off the top of my head, non-main recurring characters prior to Tales:
Stan: 1 - 4
Voodoo Lady: 1 - 4
Herman Toothrot: 1, 2, 4
Men of Low Moral Fiber: 1, 2
Lemonhead: 1, 3
Wally: 2, 3
Murray: 3, 4
Meathook, Carla and Otis: 1, 4
I think that's it, excluding the "flashback" and animatronic characters in MI3.
So from that I'd say that, with or without including Tales, Murray is unique in being the only post-MI1 character to become a "regular" by appear in every iteration since his creation. I'd also say that the "trend" if there is any at all, would suggest that it'd be cool if Tales brought back somebody from at least a couple games ago, who has so far only appeared in one game.
Funny thing is Murray was only supposed to be in the first chapter of Curse. He was so popular in the demo that they had to write him into the rest of the story. He's the character the fans won't let die, figuratively
(but then they may have written this part of the game already by July, so maybe not)
Maybe my lifelong annoyance with Kate Capshaw in "Temple of Doom" has subconsciously made me ignore the possibility of any character with a similar name returning. :P