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Is it up for interpretatio or is Guybrush's and Morgan's relationship the most MISUND

doodo!doodo!
edited December 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
MISUNDERSTOOD relationship in video game history ever?

It's not a sexual romance in my opinion. Hasn't anyone here ever been inspired by others people, had a role model, someone they looked up to in life? She's a pirate hunter and he's a famous pirate...it's got nothing to do about wife cheating or anything like that.

Are people shallow, totally missing the point or what?
Is it up for interpretation ?

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  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited December 2009
    i never though he go with morgan I did wonder if she would be like a female lechuck with guybrush though
  • MaxilyahMaxilyah
    edited December 2009
    I never actually thought they'd end up together, though I would have liked that. Also, I'm pretty sure she has a crush on Guybrush, at the very least. Didn't you notice the way she looked at him in Lair of the Leviathan? That was clearly love (or infatuation; whichever you prefer). And then she was extremely disappointed when he mentioned Elaine.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    Awhsh, you can always feel how happy she gets after she helps Guybrush but also gives her a weird pain inside because her help makes Guybrush get closer to Elaine. The dialogues between Guybrush and Morgan... They're full of emotion.

    It IS a one-sided love. She loves him so much that she wants him to be happy, even if that leaves herself sad.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited December 2009
    Maxilyah wrote: »
    I never actually thought they'd end up together, though I would have liked that. Also, I'm pretty sure she has a crush on Guybrush, at the very least. Didn't you notice the way she looked at him in Lair of the Leviathan? That was clearly love (or infatuation; whichever you prefer). And then she was extremely disappointed when he mentioned Elaine.

    Infatuation from the young is innocent. Most kids who sleep around with married couples know its wrong if not very soon after certainly a few years later. She's young and inspired, I wouldn't say there's any TRUE love with her and Guybrush.

    Infatuation and admiration can even go hand and hand,though, without being at all sexual.
    Falanca wrote: »
    Awhsh, you can always feel how happy she gets after she helps Guybrush but also gives her a weird pain inside because her help makes Guybrush get closer to Elaine. The dialogues between Guybrush and Morgan... They're full of emotion.

    It IS a one-sided love. She loves him so much that she wants him to be happy, even if that leaves herself sad.

    I don't think Morgan has anyone. I think she's just a young infatuated woman looking for someone to inspire her, complete her in life. I don't think that she wants Guy brush romantically. There's romance and then there's sexual romance, there not the same thing.
  • WishboneWishbone
    edited December 2009
    She certainly is infatuated with him at first. But as the story progresses, she grows up a lot, and sees it for what it is: a crush on an idol. So she gets over it, and grows genuinely fond of Guybrush in a non-romantic way, as feelings of friendship and mutual respect grow between them.

    That's my take on it anyway.
  • rebelBodhirebelBodhi
    edited December 2009
    I for one, have been hoping to get a choice: either to ditch Elaine and go for Morgan (I choose thusly, come on, those hips?) and begin a swashbuckling advenure on the 7 seas, or stay with Elaine and sail to Bed Bath & Beyond.

    I found the whole Elaine thing fun in MI2 when the possibility was just being realized; but once they got hitched, eh, the situation got a bit boring for me.

    Hm, perhaps my fiance shouldn't read this lol :rolleyes:
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    doodo! wrote: »

    I don't think Morgan has anyone. I think she's just a young infatuated woman looking for someone to inspire her, complete her in life. I don't think that she wants Guy brush romantically. There's romance and then there's sexual romance, there not the same thing.

    Talking about "sexual romance" is irrelevant here.

    I have to remind you that little scene in Episode 3 where they look into each other's eyes, then Guybrush ruins the moment (for Morgan) by mentioning Elaine. It's apparent that if a chance was given, Morgan would love to be with Guybrush forever. But she knows there is no chance because he loves Elaine, so she tries to be his friend. Because, well, even being his friend means being close to him.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    Talking about "sexual romance" is irrelevant here.

    I have to remind you that little scene in Episode 3 where they look into each other's eyes, then Guybrush ruins the moment (for Morgan) by mentioning Elaine. It's apparent that if a chance was given, Morgan would love to be with Guybrush forever. But she knows there is no chance because he loves Elaine, so she tries to be his friend. Because, well, even being his friend means being close to him.

    No, it's not irrelevant, Morgan admires Guybrush she doesn't know him enough to love him. It's entirely relevant. I don't think Morgan would want to be with Guybrush forever, she brings him to Designe....she does her job and as a pirate hunter has respect and admiration for the famous pirate. Some one in love and desiring for someone, forever longing, would not do this to a person.(Handing them over to a crazy person)

    Wishbone wrote: »
    She certainly is infatuated with him at first. But as the story progresses, she grows up a lot, and sees it for what it is: a crush on an idol. So she gets over it, and grows genuinely fond of Guybrush in a non-romantic way, as feelings of friendship and mutual respect grow between them.

    That's my take on it anyway.

    Well put. Thanks for sharing.
  • Secret FawfulSecret Fawful
    edited December 2009
    Well I know enough to know Morgan would lose interest in Guybrush once adventure had gone by the wayside or as soon as he stopped being a butt kicker and started being a doofus. Oh wait, she did that in Lair didn't she.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    doodo! wrote: »
    No, it's not irrelevant, Morgan admires Guybrush she doesn't know him enough to love him. It's entirely relevant. I don't think Morgan would want to be with Guybrush forever, she brings him to Designe....she does her job and as a pirate hunter has respect and admiration for the famous pirate. Some one in love and desiring for someone, forever longing, would not do this to a person.(Handing them over to a crazy person)

    Well, being an emotional gal doesn't mean that she can't have some self-discipline... It's a dilemma first of all, it IS more complicated than how you put it.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited December 2009
    Secret Fawful wrote: »
    Well I know enough to know Morgan would lose interest in Guybrush once adventure had gone by the wayside or as soon as he stopped being a butt kicker and started being a doofus. Oh wait, she did that in Lair didn't she.

    Yes she did, which is more evidence to the inspirational figure theory, loving the icon and not the real person behind the icon. Young innocent infatuation that the adult can spot clear off and stray away from.

    It's not until the last two chapters that Morgan sees Guybrush for Guybrush and even then he's just an inspiration. I think Morgan is just lonely, she goes around killing pirates, the girl needs to get out more. :cool:
    Falanca wrote: »
    Well, being an emotional gal doesn't mean that she can't have some self-discipline... It's a dilemma first of all, it IS more complicated than how you put it.

    A dilemma only after Guybrush complains about it? Her heart obviously didn't come first, if you love someone your heart will come first not two chapters of your life later...She just felt guilty, not because she loved Guybrush but because it was the wrong thing to do to someone, I imagine impossible to do to someone you love but not necessarily admired because in which case you've beaten that person or taken inspiration from that person.

    Please, don't use cop outs. You're more clever than that, stating something is more complicated without developing the conversation further on your end just creates dead ends and isn't interesting or engaging. It just makes me have to do more work on my end.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    doodo! wrote: »
    It's not until the last two chapters that Morgan sees Guybrush for Guybrush and even then he's just an inspiration. I think Morgan is just lonely, she goes around killing pirates, the girl needs to get out more. :cool:

    We know that she HAD someone to hang around. Maybe it ended in a rather harsh way.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    We know that she HAD someone to hang around. Maybe it ended in a rather harsh way.

    You do agree with me that it's truly awesome to be able to get into the psychology of Monkey Island characters? I never was able to do that before. TTGs nailed it with this game, brilliant.

    Thanks for sharing, lol. Yes, I am a bit self absorbed if you're thinking that. 15-16 years of social isolation does that to a person.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    To be honest, it's the first time ever I try to observe fictional characters psychologically (as best I could, at least). That must count as a success.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    To be honest, it's the first time ever I try to observe fictional characters psychologically (as best I could, at least). That must count as a success.

    You had me convinced that you had a opinion. Thanks for sharing.

    It's interesting to see how others think.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    I hadn't thought of it before you mentioned it, though. Well, thanks.
  • NaxosNaxos
    edited December 2009
    Falanca wrote: »
    Awhsh, you can always feel how happy she gets after she helps Guybrush but also gives her a weird pain inside because her help makes Guybrush get closer to Elaine. The dialogues between Guybrush and Morgan... They're full of emotion.

    It IS a one-sided love. She loves him so much that she wants him to be happy, even if that leaves herself sad.

    This is sure how it comes through to me as well. I love the dialogue between the two.

    Elaine on the other hand just gets on my nerves.

    I also agree that it is pretty amazing that we are disecting the psycology of video game characters.
  • FalancaFalanca
    edited December 2009
    doodo! wrote: »
    Please, don't use cop outs. You're more clever than that, stating something is more complicated without developing the conversation further on your end just creates dead ends and isn't interesting or engaging. It just makes me have to do more work on my end.

    I'm REALLY lazy to develop the argument as you can tell. Gotta say I love cheating sometimes.
    doodo! wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing, lol. Yes, I am a bit self absorbed if you're thinking that. 15-16 years of social isolation does that to a person.

    Never ever thought or tried to imply that. It was only an answer to your saying "that gal should go out a little". I'm not that of a social person either. Just guesses and probabilities.

    Naxos wrote: »
    This is sure how it comes through to me as well. I love the dialogue between the two.
    Same.
    Naxos wrote: »
    Elaine on the other hand just gets on my nerves.
    Same.
    Naxos wrote: »
    I also agree that it is pretty amazing that we are disecting the psycology of video game characters.
    Same.

    So to speak... uh... well... yes. Same.
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