I personally don't get why anyone would post to ask him not to do it. I'd be annoyed if I posted to ask what kind of haircut I should go for and half the people posted that I shouldn't cut my hair.
"I don't think you should get a tattoo" is just as valid an opinion as "I think you should get this tattoo"
His thread says he's thinking about it. Not "I'm getting one, tell me which one to get". We are perfectly within our rights to express our opinion on the issue in a courteous manner, which we all have done. No one has said anything derogatory or insulting to him, we're just providing our opinions, and if he disagrees, good for him, he doesn't have to listen to strangers on the internet.
Besides, hair grows back. Tattoos only go away when you pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to remove them, and even then there's probably scarring from the removal.
Think about what you'll look/think/be like in 20 or 30 years or more. Down the road, when you're 60 years old, you're still going to have that same tattoo. Will anyone think you cool for having it then? No.
Did you brush your hair and teeth young man? ...
well brushing your hair AND teeth might sound weird... I keep picturing the same brush for both elements.:rolleyes:
Wait, wait, wait...
You're supposed to use two different brushes? I only have one: my Guy-brush. Since, apparently, I'm a young man.
I'd be annoyed if I posted to ask what kind of haircut I should go for and half the people posted that I shouldn't cut my hair.
As Chyron said, hair grows back. Do whatever you want to your hair - dye it, shave it, fine - you can start over in a year or two. My flatmate had seriously overprocessed neon punk hair all through the 80s, he changed the colour every week to match whatever colour he painted his nails. Now he looks like a perfectly respectable middle-aged gentleman.
It just seems obvious to me that the question was "which tattoo should I get?" and not "do you think I should get a tattoo?". And if someone has decided to get a tattoo I just find it super rude to intervene to tell them not to do it because they'll regret it later. I'd understand if it was your best friend, but you don't even know that guy, and you're saying "oh, I know the future" or "oh, I know how you'll feel about it better than you do even though I've never met you".
Okay, hair grows back (although I know people who have lost their hair due to what they did with it. And I don't mean males). But there are lots of other things that are permanent or costly to reverse, like getting married or having kids, and I'd find it equally rude to tell someone not to do it when you know nothing of them at all. Not their age, not their income, not their life story, nothing.
I personally dislike all the "altering body art", for lack of a better words, stuff that hurt your body for aesthetic purposes (tattoos, piercings, waxing...) but hell, I'm not going to tell people not to do it if they have decided to.
He might change his mind and not do it, or he might not change his mind and do it, either way it's his decision, and intruding in his life like that is just... Ugh, it really irks me, is all.
And it's not like you explained what you mean. You just said "Don't."
Really, I equate it to someone saying "I'm getting married, I'm wondering what venue to choose, right now I'm thinking about a park, what are your thoughts?" and ten people just answered "Don't."
Right. Like you're contributing anything to the conversation. At least explain what you mean and why, in this specific case, you think it's a bad idea. And if you're against tattoos/marriage in general, then don't butt in a conversation about which tattoo to get or where to have the wedding.
Sure he said "I'm thinking", in the same way I said "I'm thinking of making plushes, which do you suggest". Fortunately nobody butted in saying "knitting is for losers, don't knit anything".
Anyway, that's all, I found it extremely rude, disrespectful and condescending, assuming you can go and tell someone not to do something that, for all you know, they've made a very conscious choice about and thought about for a long time. If the OP was like "hi, my best friend got a tattoo yesterday so now I want one", I'd understand the whole "Are you sure you gave it a good thought?" thing, but here, you're just assuming the OP isn't able to make the right decision about what they do to their body.
Anyway, I'm just annoyed because it's not the first time. It seems every time tattoos are mentioned in this forum there is a group of people going "all tattoos are always a terrible idea, and because I don't like them nobody should". If you meant something different ("I don't think a video game character would make for the best tattoo", for instance) then maybe you should specify.
Now you're just putting words into peoples' mouths. No one was trying to presume the OP didn't know what he was doing or anything ridiculous like that. We gave our opinion, which was simply that we didn't think he should get a MI tattoo. If we had begun to discuss reasons for why we think he shouldn't, that is when we would start making presumptions about the OP. We don't think he should get an MI tattoo. We said that we don't think he should. Our part in the conversation was over.
If I made a post asking for opinions, I would expect all varieties of opinions, not just ones that support whatever I'm asking, and I certainly wouldn't feel insulted by people who said they didn't think I should do whatever it was I posted about.
Anyway, this is a really stupid thing to argue about, and I'm just going to chalk it up to your immigration forms, or the heat, or something.
Actually, that has more to do with the fact that people constantly try to tell me I'm wrong in my personal choices that has absolutely nothing to do with them when I happen to mention them. So it's a kind of thing that irks me to begin with.
And the fact that you said "don't" without explaining just felt annoying. Like you're telling him not to for the sake of telling him not to and without explaining. An advice is of no use if you don't explain your reasoning, especially when it sounds like you're judging someone else's personal choice that has already been made.
The way I see it, when you reach the point of deciding which tattoo to get, you've already weighed the pros of cons of getting a tattoo period, and you don't need random people telling you not to without explaining why.
I'm just baffled why anyone would think saying "don't do X" is of any use to anyone if that's all you're saying. That's all.
I'm not trying to start a whole argument here, I guess it's just one of my pet peeves. And with one person saying "don't do it" and nothing else, and several people just saying the equivalent of "+1", it just felt like a bunch of people were teaming against him just for the sake of it.
And since every time a tattoo thread starts you get people saying that tattoos are a terrible idea and "you" shouldn't get one (no matter who "you" is) or "you" made a mistake by getting one, I'm increasingly more annoyed at people who say that.
I would much prefer hearing actual arguments. Being against it without knowing anything about the OP sounds like being against tattoos (or, in this case, I guess, MI tattoos) in general. And if so, that's a case of "I don't like it so nobody should do it to themselves". Which seems disrespectful to me, like you can't conceive that other people might make different personal choices.
I think you're just trying to read way too much into one word of text.
It's like when Obama said someone was empathetic, and Glenn Beck went off on a rant about how the holocaust was caused by empathy or something.
Personally, I don't have any compelling reasons as to why I don't think he should get an MI tattoo, it just doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I'm not going to pretend to know what's best for him or his reasons for considering a tattoo or anything like that, I'm just saying I don't think he should get one. There's nothing more to read into it than that.
You might not think it contributes anything, but that's up to the OP to decide, and judging by the fact that he hasn't responded to any of the ones who said "Don't", I doubt he really cares all that much about it.
Fair enough, I can't know for him what he thinks about it. I know it would annoy me, or rather, that it did annoy me even though I don't like tattoos, and that's what my reaction is all about. But maybe he doesn't care.
I just don't get why so many people seem compelled to voice their disapproval of something that doesn't affect them in any way, and then justify it by "I'm being helpful" or "he asked" (when he actually asked something else, although I guess it's up to your interpretation due to the way he asked).
Anyway, I guess we've said anything we had to say on the subject. Going back to the actual subject, did you find anything you liked, Burnwurscht?
Actually, that has more to do with the fact that people constantly try to tell me I'm wrong in my personal choices that has absolutely nothing to do with them when I happen to mention them. So it's a kind of thing that irks me to begin with.
And the fact that you said "don't" without explaining just felt annoying. Like you're telling him not to for the sake of telling him not to and without explaining. An advice is of no use if you don't explain your reasoning, especially when it sounds like you're judging someone else's personal choice that has already been made.
The way I see it, when you reach the point of deciding which tattoo to get, you've already weighed the pros of cons of getting a tattoo period, and you don't need random people telling you not to without explaining why.
I'm just baffled why anyone would think saying "don't do X" is of any use to anyone if that's all you're saying. That's all.
I'm not trying to start a whole argument here, I guess it's just one of my pet peeves. And with one person saying "don't do it" and nothing else, and several people just saying the equivalent of "+1", it just felt like a bunch of people were teaming against him just for the sake of it.
And since every time a tattoo thread starts you get people saying that tattoos are a terrible idea and "you" shouldn't get one (no matter who "you" is) or "you" made a mistake by getting one, I'm increasingly more annoyed at people who say that.
I would much prefer hearing actual arguments. Being against it without knowing anything about the OP sounds like being against tattoos (or, in this case, I guess, MI tattoos) in general. And if so, that's a case of "I don't like it so nobody should do it to themselves". Which seems disrespectful to me, like you can't conceive that other people might make different personal choices.
lol avistew, you is nuts.
Dont do something is just as valid an opinion as do something!
Dont do something is just as valid an opinion as do something!
Yes, but the question here isn't "should I do it or not?", it's "I'm going to do it, which way should I do it?".
Therefore, the way I see it, "do it" and "don't do it" as indeed equally as valid, and that is not valid at all because completely irrelevant. It's nobody's choice to make but the OP's, and it's not the choice he's asking for help with. At least the way I see it, but as I said earlier, I re-read the original post, and I guess it could be read as "should I do it or not?" in which case answering "don't do it" wouldn't be rude. So I guess that's how the people who said that interpreted the question.
I suspect you're trying to make use argue over this, but as far as I'm concerned there isn't anything to argue about anymore. Just letting you know.
Yes, but the question here isn't "should I do it or not?", it's "I'm going to do it, which way should I do it?".
Therefore, the way I see it, "do it" and "don't do it" as indeed equally as valid, and that is not valid at all because completely irrelevant. It's nobody's choice to make but the OP's, and it's not the choice he's asking for help with. At least the way I see it, but as I said earlier, I re-read the original post, and I guess it could be read as "should I do it or not?" in which case answering "don't do it" wouldn't be rude. So I guess that's how the people who said that interpreted the question.
I suspect you're trying to make use argue over this, but as far as I'm concerned there isn't anything to argue about anymore. Just letting you know.
I think that Steve Purcell's latest blog post is quite relevant to this thread. Not that it's a suggestion, I just thought it was funny that this topic popped up at around the same time as Purcell's latest blog entry and that they happen to be the on the same subject.
Avistew, I don't understand why you're upset about all of this.
Say I was in a store and someone else--be it my wife, my mother, a total stranger or whomever--came up to me with various outfits or articles of clothing and asked me "which one do you think I should get?" I'm well within my rights to say "I don't like any of them." If I were to give that response and I was then told "that's not a proper response," I would be annoyed and say "THEN DON'T ASK ME IF YOU WON'T ACCEPT MY ANSWER." It's one thing to disagree. It's another to say my answer is stupid and doesn't address the question in the correct manner.
He's talking about paying to buy something to wear on his body permanently and I don't think he should. He asked which one he should get, and I'm saying "none." I can say that. It's not like it's a mandatory decision that he must make and can not go without. It's not like his apartment lease is running out and, after asking where he should live, we told him "nowhere" which not helpful at all as it is an unacceptable choice for him to make.
He should save his money and buy Sam & Max Season 3 and a ToMI shirt.
Say I was in a store and someone else--be it my wife, my mother, a total stranger or whomever--came up to me with various outfits or articles of clothing and asked me "which one do you think I should get?" I'm well within my rights to say "I don't like any of them."
Technically, it would be more like saying "I don't think you should ever wear clothes, ever", and the person might get upset about that
And since the OP didn't offer choices, and didn't ask you specifically (you made the approach by posting) it's more like someone walked into a clothes store, asked to the crowd "would someone help me find some clothes for myself?" and you approached them and said "sure, I'll help you: don't get any clothes."
I guess you'd also have to be naked when you say that.
[EDIT] actually it probably shouldn't be a clothes store since this isn't a tattoo forum. Maybe in the street or something. [/EDIT]
Anyway, the way I see it, the person might very well make the choice not to buy anything if they don't find anything they like, but it's their own choice to make. Just saying "don't do it" sounds more like an order than expressing your own opinion on the matter.
And I'm not angry, really. I just didn't understand why you'd post to begin with if that's what you had to say. If that fictional person had said to the crowd they needed help with makeup, considering I don't wear makeup and feel it turns beautiful people ugly, I would have said "sorry, I can't help you with that" not "don't buy any".
I was just shocked when one people did it, and then more and more people did and I just didn't get it. That's all there is to it, really.
I think that Steve Purcell's latest blog post is quite relevant to this thread. Not that it's a suggestion, I just thought it was funny that this topic popped up at around the same time as Purcell's latest blog entry and that they happen to be the on the same subject.
... I kinda wanna get it. kinda. I'll think about it.
I'm a pretty big Transformers fan, so sometimes I visit Transformers forums. There was a thread from one guy who said his wife gave him permission to let his first child's middle name be a name from Transformers. He was asking which one he should go for (like Prime or something).
The graaaaand majority of the responses were "Please don't do that to the poor kid. If you must, give him a decent name that could be anything, like Magnus".
So this case isn't quite that extreme but I don't think it hurts to give your opinion in a thread asking for them. It really is like a shopping scenario. "red one or blue one" "mmm...neither". If you're set on your decision to get either the red or blue one, then simply ignore the opinion. If a ton of people say "neither", maybe take it into account that your decision isn't universally popular, but don't let it stop you. Let them cringe when they see you wearing said red or blue shirt. Everyone else can admire. Unless you're naming a kid after a show about alien robots.
That said, yeah, I gotta agree, don't get one. If you're gonna, I'd say find something not so blatant that can last into old age.
Ooh! Get a three headed monkey on your back. That way it'll always be behind you.
So this case isn't quite that extreme but I don't think it hurts to give your opinion in a thread asking for them. It really is like a shopping scenario. "red one or blue one" "mmm...neither".
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Besides, hair grows back. Tattoos only go away when you pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to remove them, and even then there's probably scarring from the removal.
Think about what you'll look/think/be like in 20 or 30 years or more. Down the road, when you're 60 years old, you're still going to have that same tattoo. Will anyone think you cool for having it then? No.
Don't get one. Buy a shirt or a hat.
Wait, wait, wait...
You're supposed to use two different brushes? I only have one: my Guy-brush. Since, apparently, I'm a young man.
I don't have anything against tattoos per se. But the OP asked for thoughts on an MI tattoo - and my thoughts are that it's a really, really bad idea.
As Chyron said, hair grows back. Do whatever you want to your hair - dye it, shave it, fine - you can start over in a year or two. My flatmate had seriously overprocessed neon punk hair all through the 80s, he changed the colour every week to match whatever colour he painted his nails. Now he looks like a perfectly respectable middle-aged gentleman.
Hair is temporary. Tattoos are permanent.
Yes, get a shirt. And then wear that same shirt day in, day out, every day for the rest of your life. It will totally be like having a tattoo.
Okay, hair grows back (although I know people who have lost their hair due to what they did with it. And I don't mean males). But there are lots of other things that are permanent or costly to reverse, like getting married or having kids, and I'd find it equally rude to tell someone not to do it when you know nothing of them at all. Not their age, not their income, not their life story, nothing.
I personally dislike all the "altering body art", for lack of a better words, stuff that hurt your body for aesthetic purposes (tattoos, piercings, waxing...) but hell, I'm not going to tell people not to do it if they have decided to.
He might change his mind and not do it, or he might not change his mind and do it, either way it's his decision, and intruding in his life like that is just... Ugh, it really irks me, is all.
And it's not like you explained what you mean. You just said "Don't."
Really, I equate it to someone saying "I'm getting married, I'm wondering what venue to choose, right now I'm thinking about a park, what are your thoughts?" and ten people just answered "Don't."
Right. Like you're contributing anything to the conversation. At least explain what you mean and why, in this specific case, you think it's a bad idea. And if you're against tattoos/marriage in general, then don't butt in a conversation about which tattoo to get or where to have the wedding.
Sure he said "I'm thinking", in the same way I said "I'm thinking of making plushes, which do you suggest". Fortunately nobody butted in saying "knitting is for losers, don't knit anything".
Anyway, that's all, I found it extremely rude, disrespectful and condescending, assuming you can go and tell someone not to do something that, for all you know, they've made a very conscious choice about and thought about for a long time. If the OP was like "hi, my best friend got a tattoo yesterday so now I want one", I'd understand the whole "Are you sure you gave it a good thought?" thing, but here, you're just assuming the OP isn't able to make the right decision about what they do to their body.
Anyway, I'm just annoyed because it's not the first time. It seems every time tattoos are mentioned in this forum there is a group of people going "all tattoos are always a terrible idea, and because I don't like them nobody should". If you meant something different ("I don't think a video game character would make for the best tattoo", for instance) then maybe you should specify.
If I made a post asking for opinions, I would expect all varieties of opinions, not just ones that support whatever I'm asking, and I certainly wouldn't feel insulted by people who said they didn't think I should do whatever it was I posted about.
Anyway, this is a really stupid thing to argue about, and I'm just going to chalk it up to your immigration forms, or the heat, or something.
And the fact that you said "don't" without explaining just felt annoying. Like you're telling him not to for the sake of telling him not to and without explaining. An advice is of no use if you don't explain your reasoning, especially when it sounds like you're judging someone else's personal choice that has already been made.
The way I see it, when you reach the point of deciding which tattoo to get, you've already weighed the pros of cons of getting a tattoo period, and you don't need random people telling you not to without explaining why.
I'm just baffled why anyone would think saying "don't do X" is of any use to anyone if that's all you're saying. That's all.
I'm not trying to start a whole argument here, I guess it's just one of my pet peeves. And with one person saying "don't do it" and nothing else, and several people just saying the equivalent of "+1", it just felt like a bunch of people were teaming against him just for the sake of it.
And since every time a tattoo thread starts you get people saying that tattoos are a terrible idea and "you" shouldn't get one (no matter who "you" is) or "you" made a mistake by getting one, I'm increasingly more annoyed at people who say that.
I would much prefer hearing actual arguments. Being against it without knowing anything about the OP sounds like being against tattoos (or, in this case, I guess, MI tattoos) in general. And if so, that's a case of "I don't like it so nobody should do it to themselves". Which seems disrespectful to me, like you can't conceive that other people might make different personal choices.
It's like when Obama said someone was empathetic, and Glenn Beck went off on a rant about how the holocaust was caused by empathy or something.
Personally, I don't have any compelling reasons as to why I don't think he should get an MI tattoo, it just doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I'm not going to pretend to know what's best for him or his reasons for considering a tattoo or anything like that, I'm just saying I don't think he should get one. There's nothing more to read into it than that.
You might not think it contributes anything, but that's up to the OP to decide, and judging by the fact that he hasn't responded to any of the ones who said "Don't", I doubt he really cares all that much about it.
I just don't get why so many people seem compelled to voice their disapproval of something that doesn't affect them in any way, and then justify it by "I'm being helpful" or "he asked" (when he actually asked something else, although I guess it's up to your interpretation due to the way he asked).
Anyway, I guess we've said anything we had to say on the subject. Going back to the actual subject, did you find anything you liked, Burnwurscht?
lol avistew, you is nuts.
Dont do something is just as valid an opinion as do something!
Yes, but the question here isn't "should I do it or not?", it's "I'm going to do it, which way should I do it?".
Therefore, the way I see it, "do it" and "don't do it" as indeed equally as valid, and that is not valid at all because completely irrelevant. It's nobody's choice to make but the OP's, and it's not the choice he's asking for help with. At least the way I see it, but as I said earlier, I re-read the original post, and I guess it could be read as "should I do it or not?" in which case answering "don't do it" wouldn't be rude. So I guess that's how the people who said that interpreted the question.
I suspect you're trying to make use argue over this, but as far as I'm concerned there isn't anything to argue about anymore. Just letting you know.
It's Fury, Avistew. YOU MUST ARGUE!
could be? The topic title says "thinking about" for crying out loud. Thinking about = not decided. Game, set, match.
Hmmm not yet...it is a tough decition.
Say I was in a store and someone else--be it my wife, my mother, a total stranger or whomever--came up to me with various outfits or articles of clothing and asked me "which one do you think I should get?" I'm well within my rights to say "I don't like any of them." If I were to give that response and I was then told "that's not a proper response," I would be annoyed and say "THEN DON'T ASK ME IF YOU WON'T ACCEPT MY ANSWER." It's one thing to disagree. It's another to say my answer is stupid and doesn't address the question in the correct manner.
He's talking about paying to buy something to wear on his body permanently and I don't think he should. He asked which one he should get, and I'm saying "none." I can say that. It's not like it's a mandatory decision that he must make and can not go without. It's not like his apartment lease is running out and, after asking where he should live, we told him "nowhere" which not helpful at all as it is an unacceptable choice for him to make.
He should save his money and buy Sam & Max Season 3 and a ToMI shirt.
Technically, it would be more like saying "I don't think you should ever wear clothes, ever", and the person might get upset about that
And since the OP didn't offer choices, and didn't ask you specifically (you made the approach by posting) it's more like someone walked into a clothes store, asked to the crowd "would someone help me find some clothes for myself?" and you approached them and said "sure, I'll help you: don't get any clothes."
I guess you'd also have to be naked when you say that.
[EDIT] actually it probably shouldn't be a clothes store since this isn't a tattoo forum. Maybe in the street or something. [/EDIT]
Anyway, the way I see it, the person might very well make the choice not to buy anything if they don't find anything they like, but it's their own choice to make. Just saying "don't do it" sounds more like an order than expressing your own opinion on the matter.
And I'm not angry, really. I just didn't understand why you'd post to begin with if that's what you had to say. If that fictional person had said to the crowd they needed help with makeup, considering I don't wear makeup and feel it turns beautiful people ugly, I would have said "sorry, I can't help you with that" not "don't buy any".
I was just shocked when one people did it, and then more and more people did and I just didn't get it. That's all there is to it, really.
The graaaaand majority of the responses were "Please don't do that to the poor kid. If you must, give him a decent name that could be anything, like Magnus".
So this case isn't quite that extreme but I don't think it hurts to give your opinion in a thread asking for them. It really is like a shopping scenario. "red one or blue one" "mmm...neither". If you're set on your decision to get either the red or blue one, then simply ignore the opinion. If a ton of people say "neither", maybe take it into account that your decision isn't universally popular, but don't let it stop you. Let them cringe when they see you wearing said red or blue shirt. Everyone else can admire. Unless you're naming a kid after a show about alien robots.
That said, yeah, I gotta agree, don't get one. If you're gonna, I'd say find something not so blatant that can last into old age.
Ooh! Get a three headed monkey on your back. That way it'll always be behind you.
This.