First grad school interviews are mostly over and done with. There's one project that I really want to work on, but I don't know if I'd be able to since the professor seems to be a popular choice for adviser. Well, first things first. Need to get an acceptance.
So I have an honest question and it's been bugging me all morning. Does anyone care to help?
I have a friend who got a girl pregnant, right? He doesn't have money to pay for child support, but he offered to shoulder the cost of an abortion. The girl refused, saying that she wanted to keep the child. Now the courts are making him pay child support. If the woman decided to keep the child, how is it fair to put the burden on my friend when he wanted to abort?
I'm not one of the people that this topic will be touchy with, as I'm not a religious person, so I'll give a more universal answer: It was her right not to have an abortion, and it was his choice to have sex(I don't think this can be debated no matter what your religious views are). Unfortunately, he has to live with the consequences of that choice. Just because you don't want a child, doesn't mean you get to pass on the responsibility. If you absolutely don't want kids, don't have sex(or make sure your partner has the same views on abortion...or have them sign a form that states that they would get an abortion if they get pregnant with your child and if they choose not to, they also choose to have sole responsibility of said child, financially).
Otherwise, yeah, you're stuck supporting your children. Side effects of sex.
My opinion is this: she chose to have sex too, right? It wasn't rape, after all. She chose to keep it, right? I don't understand the thought process here.
My opinion is this: she chose to have sex too, right? It wasn't rape, after all. She chose to keep it, right? I don't understand the thought process here.
Its his baby weather he wants it or not. He has to pay to support it because he chose to have unprotected sex with a woman. The woman shouldnt have to be unable to support the child because he didn't want it when its half his "fault" for what happend.
Its his baby weather he wants it or not. He has to pay to support it because he chose to have unprotected sex with a woman. The woman shouldnt have to be unable to support the child because he didn't want it when its half his "fault" for what happend.
Thank you, Coolsome, for explaining it succinctly. You get a medal.
...and that's why she is shouldering most of the responsibility. Raising the child and paying for the child. Believe it or not, child support doesn't fully cover the costs of a child. It is his responsibility too though. If she just showed up and dumped the child on his doorstep and said "here's your child, you chose to have sex, so it's yours". We'd be having a different conversation. It is, however, her, that is going to be raising their child and he just has the responsibility of providing a little support for her.
My opinion is this: she chose to have sex too, right? It wasn't rape, after all. She chose to keep it, right? I don't understand the thought process here.
A person should never be forced into doing something that they did not choose. I'd say nine times out of ten, or likely even more, people don't have sex to have a baby. Having and enjoying sex is an integral part of being human for the vast majority of people in the world. It's a basic right as a human being. Not everyone who has sex is ready or wanting to be a parent.
Some might say that everyone who decides to have sex should be prepared to be a parent. That is some major unrealistic bullshit and all you guys should know that. The comparison used is that the average person has as much sex with the intent of having a baby as a person will eat food for the intent of pooping. Though babies cannot be compared to fecal matter, the actions leading to it can.
The government should have no legal right in forcing a biological father into paying child support as a biological father has no legal right into choosing the fate of a woman's pregnancy. (It's pretty shitty in general that it's all based of biological links, but I digress.)
That said, the person, if they are decent enough, should attempt to help the mother out of the goodness of their heart just as if the pregnant is decent enough, she would at least hear out the father's thoughts. Ultimately, the choice should be with the individual to do what is best for them.
With the consequences unfurled, all either party can do now learn from the past and act accordingly in the future.
I'm very cold. No, seriously I'm extremely cold. I can see my breath and all! Cold, so cold!
You know that bloke in Blade Runner, who produces the replicant eyes? Well, my human eyes have frosted over! Honestly, Mr. I. C. Chap, from Blade Runner may as well be in the tropics compared to me!
A person should never be forced into doing something that they did not choose. I'd say nine times out of ten, or likely even more, people don't have sex to have a baby. Having and enjoying sex is an integral part of being human for the vast majority of people in the world. It's a basic right as a human being. Not everyone who has sex is ready or wanting to be a parent.
Some might say that everyone who decides to have sex should be prepared to be a parent. That is some major unrealistic bullshit and all you guys should know that. The comparison used is that the average person has as much sex with the intent of having a baby as a person will eat food for the intent of pooping. Though babies cannot be compared to fecal matter, the actions leading to it can.
The government should have no legal right in forcing a biological father into paying child support as a biological father has no legal right into choosing the fate of a woman's pregnancy. (It's pretty shitty in general that it's all based of biological links, but I digress.)
That said, the person, if they are decent enough, should attempt to help the mother out of the goodness of their heart just as if the pregnant is decent enough, she would at least hear out the father's thoughts. Ultimately, the choice should be with the individual to do what is best for them.
With the consequences unfurled, all either party can do now learn from the past and act accordingly in the future.
Sad situation, really.
Indeed. Somehow I'm surprised we agree here. You may have met the guy. He was at DragonCon.
In other news, beer and hot pockets: DINNER OF CHAMPIONS.
Sorry, them's the rules. If she keeps the baby, he's liable for child support, even if he was in favor of an abortion. Alternatively, if he wanted the baby, but she didn't, she could have had an abortion without his consent. The only way out (aside from changing his name and leaving the country) is if it isn't really his baby, and he should have a DNA test done if there's a chance of that. If he refuses to pay, she can have his wages garnished. Consider it an expensive lesson on the importance of contraception and whom you have sex with.
Sorry, them's the rules. If she keeps the baby, he's liable for child support, even if he was in favor of an abortion. Alternatively, if he wanted the baby, but she didn't, she could have had an abortion without his consent. The only way out (aside from changing his name and leaving the country) is if it isn't really his baby, and he should have a DNA test done if there's a chance of that. If he refuses to pay, she can have his wages garnished. Consider it an expensive lesson on the importance of contraception and whom you have sex with.
I've watched a great many of the modern Twilight Zone episodes but it wasn't until recently that I truly relised just how ingenious those original, black & white episodes were. They are so ahead of their time, it's astonishing! I downright challenge anybody to watch the episode entitled 'It's a Good Life' and tell me that it does not make for an unbelievingly chilling slice of horror.
Sorry, them's the rules. If she keeps the baby, he's liable for child support, even if he was in favor of an abortion. Alternatively, if he wanted the baby, but she didn't, she could have had an abortion without his consent. The only way out (aside from changing his name and leaving the country) is if it isn't really his baby, and he should have a DNA test done if there's a chance of that. If he refuses to pay, she can have his wages garnished. Consider it an expensive lesson on the importance of contraception and whom you have sex with.
I didn't say it was fair, just that's how it is. The alternatives are even less appealing.
Hard to say what the least appealing thing is in this case. All I know is that if the man is vehement about not wanting the child then the State shouldn't rob his wages to pay for it. The woman should only keep the baby if she can pay for it.
That being said, as a matter of honour I'd make every endeavour to pay for my bastard spawn were I in that situation.
The stance of being "pro choice" means allowing a woman to not have an abortion as well as allowing her to have one. There's two sides of this particular coin and sometimes you don't always end up on the most convenient one.
In any case, I can guarantee you that this girl is in for a much harder and painful life than your friend due to her decision. The least he can do is ease her time a little bit financially.
I've watched a great many of the modern Twilight Zone episodes but it wasn't until recently that I truly relised just how ingenious those original, black & white episodes were. They are so ahead of their time, it's astonishing! I downright challenge anybody to watch the episode entitled 'It's a Good Life' and tell me that it does not make for an unbelievingly chilling slice of horror.
Yeah, they were just kind of drawn out for simple stories though. If they were 15 minutes a piece, they would've been amazing!
The stance of being "pro choice" means allowing a woman to not have an abortion as well as allowing her to have one. There's two sides of this particular coin and sometimes you don't always end up on the most convenient one.
In any case, I can guarantee you that this girl is in for a much harder and painful life than your friend due to her decision. The least he can do is ease her time a little bit financially.
Right, that would be the honorable thing to do. However, it isn't right that the state should force him to pay. In fact, the only way he can make enough money, he has said, is to join the Navy. Does that seem right to you?
Job prospects for his skill set are so shitty that he's enlisting because she made a choice to keep the baby. Granted, they both should have foreseen this when they decided to not use protection, but it's making a shitty situation even shittier.
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I have a friend who got a girl pregnant, right? He doesn't have money to pay for child support, but he offered to shoulder the cost of an abortion. The girl refused, saying that she wanted to keep the child. Now the courts are making him pay child support. If the woman decided to keep the child, how is it fair to put the burden on my friend when he wanted to abort?
Otherwise, yeah, you're stuck supporting your children. Side effects of sex.
Its his baby weather he wants it or not. He has to pay to support it because he chose to have unprotected sex with a woman. The woman shouldnt have to be unable to support the child because he didn't want it when its half his "fault" for what happend.
Thank you, Coolsome, for explaining it succinctly. You get a medal.
Now I look like a genuine commie!
That being said, I personally wouldn't mind having children, I would be a good dad, thats for certain.
It either happens or it doesn't in my view.
Besides, the guy took a hasty risk, and this is the result. Not much that can be done about it.
Ocelot was pretty good.
Damn right he was, but Gray Fox was the baddest badass on all of Shadow Moses Island.
I wish I made my user name "La Li Lu Le Lo".
I just wish Mount Rushmore was replaced by Mount Snakemore. Is that so much to ask?
Id rather the one with the Master carved into it.
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A person should never be forced into doing something that they did not choose. I'd say nine times out of ten, or likely even more, people don't have sex to have a baby. Having and enjoying sex is an integral part of being human for the vast majority of people in the world. It's a basic right as a human being. Not everyone who has sex is ready or wanting to be a parent.
Some might say that everyone who decides to have sex should be prepared to be a parent. That is some major unrealistic bullshit and all you guys should know that. The comparison used is that the average person has as much sex with the intent of having a baby as a person will eat food for the intent of pooping. Though babies cannot be compared to fecal matter, the actions leading to it can.
The government should have no legal right in forcing a biological father into paying child support as a biological father has no legal right into choosing the fate of a woman's pregnancy. (It's pretty shitty in general that it's all based of biological links, but I digress.)
That said, the person, if they are decent enough, should attempt to help the mother out of the goodness of their heart just as if the pregnant is decent enough, she would at least hear out the father's thoughts. Ultimately, the choice should be with the individual to do what is best for them.
With the consequences unfurled, all either party can do now learn from the past and act accordingly in the future.
Sad situation, really.
You know that bloke in Blade Runner, who produces the replicant eyes? Well, my human eyes have frosted over! Honestly, Mr. I. C. Chap, from Blade Runner may as well be in the tropics compared to me!
Cold, so very, very cold!
Indeed. Somehow I'm surprised we agree here. You may have met the guy. He was at DragonCon.
In other news, beer and hot pockets: DINNER OF CHAMPIONS.
Sounds like institutional reverse sexism to me.
It's like you didn't read my post at all.
I didn't say it was fair, just that's how it is. The alternatives are even less appealing.
Hard to say what the least appealing thing is in this case. All I know is that if the man is vehement about not wanting the child then the State shouldn't rob his wages to pay for it. The woman should only keep the baby if she can pay for it.
That being said, as a matter of honour I'd make every endeavour to pay for my bastard spawn were I in that situation.
The stance of being "pro choice" means allowing a woman to not have an abortion as well as allowing her to have one. There's two sides of this particular coin and sometimes you don't always end up on the most convenient one.
In any case, I can guarantee you that this girl is in for a much harder and painful life than your friend due to her decision. The least he can do is ease her time a little bit financially.
Right, that would be the honorable thing to do. However, it isn't right that the state should force him to pay. In fact, the only way he can make enough money, he has said, is to join the Navy. Does that seem right to you?
Job prospects for his skill set are so shitty that he's enlisting because she made a choice to keep the baby. Granted, they both should have foreseen this when they decided to not use protection, but it's making a shitty situation even shittier.
I believe that's number 1 in the book '101 Ways to Ensure That You Never Have Sex' by Johro, right?:p
Oh boy, Sigmund Freud would have a field day with this!