Suppose there's a concert, and tickets are $60. Then suppose one radio station has a promotion where if you order it through a certain channel or give a certain keyword, you can get tickets for $45. Is the theater wrong to still advertise that the concert is $60? I don't think it is.
But with the game, it's not two different channels, it's two different portals to the same channel. Clicking buy here or clicking buy on Facebook brings you to the same place: the Telltale checkout page with BTTF in your cart. But one gives you a price of $25 and the other gives you a price of $20 for exactly the same content. And both of these options are open to everyone: all you have to do for the latter is go play (or even just look at) "Blitz Through Time".
Claiming that the five dollar difference for this facebook offer has anything to do with forum content is silly.
But it does, since the Facebook offer wasn't available until a few days ago, as far as I'm aware. Those who pre-ordered earlier got deals which have expired, contests which have passed, the opportunity to do live chats with the team and AJ, and assets from the game before they were released to the public. You can still read and look at all of that stuff, but you can't partake in it as it was happening. The benefit of pre-ordering earlier isn't just what you get, but when you get it.
They are only mailing people that checkmarked the 'keep me updated'.
But someone needs to confirm this.
It boggles my mind that people keep forgetting about the exclusive board content.
We're not forgetting that content, and not to make this a repeat of the last time we argued this, but that content has no inherent value. Let's not fall into the flawed logic of mother and her like, who loves telling me how much money she has saved spending hundreds on sale items, hundreds she would have never spent if not for the sale.
Further, for those of us who are truly loyal customers, we already own everything TellTale sells that we have any interest in owning. And this is essentially my entire argument, that is how disloyal this kind of thing is to their loyal customers.
As for the chats, hey I guess they could hold some value to someone, but as for me they both happened when I was sleeping, and I don't want the game spoiled for me, so I wouldn't have taken part anyway.
But with the game, it's not two different channels, it's two different portals to the same channel. Clicking buy here or clicking buy on Facebook brings you to the same place: the Telltale checkout page with BTTF in your cart. But one gives you a price of $25 and the other gives you a price of $20 for exactly the same content. And both of these options are open to everyone: all you have to do for the latter is go play (or even just look at) "Blitz Through Time".
But it does, since the Facebook offer wasn't available until a few days ago, as far as I'm aware. Those who pre-ordered earlier got deals which have expired, contests which have passed, the opportunity to do live chats with the team and AJ, and assets from the game before they were released to the public. You can still read and look at all of that stuff, but you can't partake in it as it was happening. The benefit of pre-ordering earlier isn't just what you get, but when you get it.
As you just said yourself, the game is STILL $24.95 if you don't buy it through the Facebook offer. People who pre-order today for $24.95 get the same stuff as the people who pre-order for $19.95. Forum content/promos are not related to the $5 price difference AT ALL.
As you just said yourself, the game is STILL $24.95 if you don't buy it through the Facebook offer. People who pre-order today for $24.95 get the same stuff as the people who pre-order for $19.95. Forum content/promos are not related to the $5 price difference AT ALL.
Right. Which is why I think it's wrong that Telltale is still selling the game for $25 here, at least without telling everyone about the Facebook deal. So...are we actually agreeing, or...what?
Right. Which is why I think it's wrong that Telltale is still selling the game for $25 here, at least without telling everyone about the Facebook deal. So...are we actually agreeing, or...what?
Yes, we are agreeing. I'm arguing that the $5 price difference cannot be justified by saying "well people who pre-order now get less forum stuff". When you can 'pre-order' and get forum access on the 21st and pay $24.95, at which point you've missed out on everything. Explaining that people who pre-ordered earlier got more forum goodies, is not really relevant. They would get the same amount of forum access if they order today for either price.
But with the game, it's not two different channels, it's two different portals to the same channel.
That's why I included "or give a special keyword". My point was that, if there's a special price advertised in a specific place for a specific group of fans, it's perfectly normal for the main advertisements to only include the main price.
Wrong. In that discussion I established I bought products I planned on buying either way/
Well, good for you, that doesn't change the fact that loyal fans have nothing left to buy, and I presume by now neither have you. Either way it doesn't change the fact that the discounts hold no value in and of themselves.
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Now, don't get me wrong, I appreciate why you are happy with pre-ordering early given your circumstances, but this is not necessarily the case for everyone.
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Then I say again...don't pre-order and wait for the game to come out at a price you feel is right.
I never said I didn't feel the price wasn't right. I would have paid a lot more for it. You have missed the point if you think I argue about the price; I'm against the principle of offering cheaper pre-orders to late-comers. In now way do I mind having paid $25. What I do mind is that others were offered it for less before the game is released.
And then I say again: The people who get the cheap-preorder have missed out on the exclusive coupons. Or a chance to win one of the 10 something DeLoreans.
And then I say again: The people who get the cheap-preorder have missed out on the exclusive coupons. Or a chance to win one of the 10 something DeLoreans.
And then I say again: The people who get the cheap-preorder have missed out on the exclusive coupons. Or a chance to win one of the 10 something DeLoreans.
And then we say again : The people who get the regular preorder NOW are still missing out on everything.
And then I say again: The people who get the cheap-preorder have missed out on the exclusive coupons. Or a chance to win one of the 10 something DeLoreans.
And I'll say it, yet again: People who pre-order the game for $24.95 today through December 21st also miss out on all that stuff.
how hung up for money are you people?!
its like 5 bucks in some cases...
deals come and go all the time, online and in stores.
just because some grapes went on sale at the grocery store doesn't mean you can go back in and complain and call the grocery store evil because they had a sale.
lets us remember this.....
we are getting a back to the future game..... 5 episodes
a full story being worked on by bob gale, and telltale... we have amazing voice actors.....
this game is basically what we all have wanted for years..... lets be thrilled that its happening... and in less than a week for that matter.
10 bucks... 5 bucks... who cares.... its all going towards a great company, who may in the future.... give us some more back to the future.
It doesn't really bother me that much, but it really shouldn't be on sale toward the end of the pre-order period. It just seems strange. After all usually things go on sale after release so that those who paid full price feel like they got something for their money. But it's not like it's 75% off or something. It's 5 bucks.
Anyways if I was gonna whine about something it would be that I bought the Sam and Max pack the day before the 50% off sale. XD
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Then I say again...don't pre-order and wait for the game to come out at a price you feel is right.
That's precisely what might be bad for TTG in the long run, if people feel that ordering later is better than earlier, and what this whole topic is about.
I don't complain about the $5, I gladly give my $5 to TTG, because I like the games they make.
I didn't complain or request a refund, (not even when I couldn't play a single game out of the GAB2010 other than Sam and Max and practically paid $20 for nothing, because the affected games weren't within TTG's reach to fix, and I'm sure TTG would have given me that refund, because that's the kind of awesome guys they are),
but if I can choose to pay a higher or a lower price for something I usually pick the lower price, and most people who don't have money like hay or are die-hard fans of the company do this, so, if I know TTG keeps throwing discounts like this I benefit more from waiting until the final day of the pre-order to catch such an offer, while still getting all the benefits and get to play the game at the same time as everyone else.
If showing your support to the company by pre-ordering early isn't worth anything, and "outsiders" get the great deals, then why pre-order? If enough people figure that out, the result is few early pre-orders. I'm not a marketing/business expert, but afaik early pre-orders are a lot better than late pre-orders.
In the end, adventure games are great and I hope that this business plan actually gets some new people on the boat which results in TTG getting larger budgets to produce even better games in the future, but sometimes design decisions of recent games and business decisions like this feel like it's just about selling stuff, expanding and making simple accessible games for "everyone" and not about saving the adventure genre anymore, which was why I became a fan of TTG in the first place.
So yeah, it's not about having paid measly $5 more than others, that money I probably owe them anyway for the countless discounts/free shipping/DVDs in the past, present and possible future, because as you have by now repeated: If you want to pay less, everyone can do it by just waiting for the right moment, and so could I have, but I haven't, because without a doubt, BttF will be worth these $25.
I hope this wall of text makes clear that it's not about money but about feeling a bit neglected.
But anyway, who am I to criticize business decisions of business people who have put a lot of effort and time into learning their stuff? They'll know what's best for the company and as long as the result is still games I want to play, I ride with it, because that's what counts, the games, aren't they?
It's sad to say but I am definetly going back to the 'hold pre-ordering back as much as possible' next time TT brings out a game.
It just seems so counterproductive to me.
Am I the only one who is hung up on the free card game deal? I don't see why TT couldn't have offered it to those who had already pre-ordered.
I guess business is business, afterall.
I've already learned a long time ago to wait before buying Telltale games, because no matter what, there will ALWAYS be a better deal in the near future.
Choosing the right one when it comes is an art. The price keeps getting lower and the deals keep getting better, but you never know if there's going to be a next deal, a better deal, so you have to decide if the current one is good enough for you.
And the $20 is good enough for me, so I'll just go with that . But I really understand how you all must feel, I really do feel your anger/frustration/disappointment.
And for anyone who doesn't, imagine this situation:
You walk into a supermarket and grab a box of cereal - one that says "FREE Toy INSIDE!"
Realising that you don't need to buy anything else, you go to check out. The cashier charges you $24.95 (that's what cereal costs, right?) and you check out.
The person behind you in line buys the exact same box of cereal, with only one difference - when giving it to the cashier, he says "I saw your ad on the other side of town".
The cashier charges him $19.95.
Does that seem fair?
No.
However I must say that the radio station giving discount to concert tickets example given a page or two ago was pretty convincing.
However I must say that the radio station giving discount to concert tickets example given a page or two ago was pretty convincing.
Well it's not.
When they do that, that's because they have a deal with the radio. And calling a radio isn't free.
Moreover, this kind of offer actually doesn't exist. The offer is always limited (and it's pretty often some give away instead of just a promo) .
Now the problem is pretty different :
Through two media accessible to ANYBODY, they are selling it at two different price. It's like Telltale is the radio AND the place wherever the concert takes place ...
The $5 discount is supposed to be like a prize (or coupon) that rewards people for playing the Facebook game, because playing the facebook game is a form of viral marketing.
That's the difference.
Yes, it's poorly set up so anybody can get the $19.95 deal once the FB deal landing page URL was posted. If the FB players instead got a unique one-use $5 redeemable coupon code for playing the game, would that be easier for you to swallow?
Moreover, this kind of offer actually doesn't exist.
The radio station was just a hypothetical example, but if you want a specific real life one, Cinematic Titanic regularly does live movie riffing shows across the country. They sell tickets via Ticketmaster (or some other similar site), and often tell people on Twitter and Facebook that they can use a code like "MST3K" at checkout for a discount. While I can't say for sure, I believe that this sometimes happens after tickets have already been available for a little while. It's a reward for people who follow them on Facebook or Twitter, but the people have to buy the tickets at the same place as people who don't use the discount. How is that different than a reward for people who play the facebook game?
Whether or not you think it's fair, it's not like this is something that only Telltale does.
For the third time: People who pay $20 as opposed to $25 also get Puzzle Agent
stop repeating yourself. I know exactly what you said and I didn't mention anything about facebook. All I said is that i don't have a problem with paying $25... maybe you should pay attention.
Stop trying to speak for everybody when many people don't have an issue with it.
The person behind you in line buys the exact same box of cereal, with only one difference - when giving it to the cashier, he says "I saw your ad on the other side of town".
The cashier charges him $19.95.
The difference here, though, is Telltale didn't put out an "ad on the other side of town". There was never any mention of a bonus price for playing the Facebook game. The only way I found out about it was because of the first post of this thread, some guy bragging about the price he got the game for. Otherwise, I never would have known since I've only played "Blitz Through Time" a couple times and not since this deal started.
The other problem with your example is that you've got two different stores going. They might be in the same chain, but locations and franchise differences do matter and have an effect on prices. In the case of this Facebook deal, there's only one store that you end up at either way (telltalegames.com). You just come in through a different door (facebook.com). So, how is it fair that somebody gets a better price on a product just for walking in a different door AND not being told by the store about this different door?
Cinematic Titanic regularly does live movie riffing shows across the country. They sell tickets via Ticketmaster (or some other similar site), and often tell people on Twitter and Facebook that they can use a code like "MST3K" at checkout for a discount.
Do you happen to know if Cinematic Titanic mentions this code deal on their website? Or wherever else they typically sell their tickets?
Do you happen to know if Cinematic Titanic mentions this code deal on their website? Or wherever else they typically sell their tickets?
I've never seen the codes mentioned on their site, but I could be remembering wrong. I know for a fact they're not mentioned at Ticketmaster or the various theaters' websites.
It's not the method the price is discounted that's the problem.
It's a very common marketing ploy to give price breaks to people who sign friends up to various websites etc. This is an extension of that philosophy. You play this facebook game, your friends see it in their feeds and get to learn about the BTTF game, and hey, you 'win' a discount for helping spread awareness of the product.
I know for a fact they're not mentioned at Ticketmaster or the various theaters' websites.
I actually don't have a problem with that, since Cinematic Titanic is the "company" making the "product" and Ticketmaster/theater websites are the "stores" selling the "product". In this case, however, the "company" and the "store" making and selling the "product" are one and the same (telltalegames.com).
Precisely. A mention in a blog post, or an Interloper e-mail would have been nice and I would have had no problem with the whole thing. It's the fact that Telltale seems to have kept the Facebook deal hush-hush while selling the game at two different prices that rubs me the wrong way.
I really don't think it would look very professional if I saw a blog post saying: "Click above Blitz to the Future to get $5 off Back to the Future: The Game"
and a simple decrease in price would have annoyed you all just as much.
Again, I see your point and you have every right to be upset about this, but I don't feel like Telltale did something that wrong.
I really don't think it would look very professional if I saw a blog post saying: "Click above Blitz to the Future to get $5 off Back to the Future: The Game"
and a simple decrease in price would have annoyed you all just as much.
But Telltale lowers their prices all the time anyway. And there is still something "involved" with getting the discount (you do have to add the app on Facebook and have a Facebook account in the first place), and you are participating in viral marketing (I've also noticed an increase in spam e-mail since I added the app, though I can't prove conclusively that those two things are connected). However, it would have been a choice thing: you can add the app and get the discount, or not. Telltale never advertised this choice.
I know I need to sleep when I see logic in advertising advertisements.
Good night!
It's not advertising an advertisement. It's advertising a discount. Partaking in an advertisement is part of the deal of getting the discount. Which you could either choose to do or not.
So I guess the offer is over? Tried to get it through the link, but it's still charging me 24,95. The Direct2Drive Coupon also only seems to work from the Uk. Bummer.
So I guess the offer is over? Tried to get it through the link, but it's still charging me 24,95. The Direct2Drive Coupon also only seems to work from the Uk. Bummer.
No, I tried that too. Apparently to make it work you have to click the ad here.
Back to the Future: The Game can be still be pre-ordered right now through Telltale Games for $24.95! Hurry, this special price won't last much longer -- you're almost "OUTATIME"!
Special price ? So they're even planning to make it more expensive after next wednesday ?!
I don't think it gets more expensive. It's obvious that the marketing people are heading into quite a different direction post-release, so no worries there, whatever might be written on that page.
The price will go down after release. Please be prepared for that, it is inevitable!
Of course, we don't know yet if a mid-season price drop will occur or if TTG will (hopefully!!) keep the price stable until May.
The BTTF game is a steal for 19.95 as well as 24.95$. As jp has stated so many times in this thread, the marketing ploy was a poorly executed one, but I hope this wasn't enraging enough to make a ten-page thread out of it. I for one, having ordered on the 26th of October, have raised a brow over this, but that was about it.
Least we preorder people get the DVD, I dont think after the 22nd others who buy it get that do they?
Anyone who buys the game at any time from Telltale's store is entitled to the DVD, whether they pay $25 or $5, whether they buy it now or a year from now.
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But it does, since the Facebook offer wasn't available until a few days ago, as far as I'm aware. Those who pre-ordered earlier got deals which have expired, contests which have passed, the opportunity to do live chats with the team and AJ, and assets from the game before they were released to the public. You can still read and look at all of that stuff, but you can't partake in it as it was happening. The benefit of pre-ordering earlier isn't just what you get, but when you get it.
We're not forgetting that content, and not to make this a repeat of the last time we argued this, but that content has no inherent value. Let's not fall into the flawed logic of mother and her like, who loves telling me how much money she has saved spending hundreds on sale items, hundreds she would have never spent if not for the sale.
Further, for those of us who are truly loyal customers, we already own everything TellTale sells that we have any interest in owning. And this is essentially my entire argument, that is how disloyal this kind of thing is to their loyal customers.
As for the chats, hey I guess they could hold some value to someone, but as for me they both happened when I was sleeping, and I don't want the game spoiled for me, so I wouldn't have taken part anyway.
As you just said yourself, the game is STILL $24.95 if you don't buy it through the Facebook offer. People who pre-order today for $24.95 get the same stuff as the people who pre-order for $19.95. Forum content/promos are not related to the $5 price difference AT ALL.
Yes, we are agreeing. I'm arguing that the $5 price difference cannot be justified by saying "well people who pre-order now get less forum stuff". When you can 'pre-order' and get forum access on the 21st and pay $24.95, at which point you've missed out on everything. Explaining that people who pre-ordered earlier got more forum goodies, is not really relevant. They would get the same amount of forum access if they order today for either price.
That's why I included "or give a special keyword". My point was that, if there's a special price advertised in a specific place for a specific group of fans, it's perfectly normal for the main advertisements to only include the main price.
Wrong. In that discussion I established I bought products I planned on buying either way/
Well, good for you, that doesn't change the fact that loyal fans have nothing left to buy, and I presume by now neither have you. Either way it doesn't change the fact that the discounts hold no value in and of themselves.
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Now, don't get me wrong, I appreciate why you are happy with pre-ordering early given your circumstances, but this is not necessarily the case for everyone.
Then I say again...don't pre-order and wait for the game to come out at a price you feel is right.
I never said I didn't feel the price wasn't right. I would have paid a lot more for it. You have missed the point if you think I argue about the price; I'm against the principle of offering cheaper pre-orders to late-comers. In now way do I mind having paid $25. What I do mind is that others were offered it for less before the game is released.
There was a chance to win a DeLorean?! :eek:
And then we say again : The people who get the regular preorder NOW are still missing out on everything.
And I'll say it, yet again: People who pre-order the game for $24.95 today through December 21st also miss out on all that stuff.
its like 5 bucks in some cases...
deals come and go all the time, online and in stores.
just because some grapes went on sale at the grocery store doesn't mean you can go back in and complain and call the grocery store evil because they had a sale.
lets us remember this.....
we are getting a back to the future game..... 5 episodes
a full story being worked on by bob gale, and telltale... we have amazing voice actors.....
this game is basically what we all have wanted for years..... lets be thrilled that its happening... and in less than a week for that matter.
10 bucks... 5 bucks... who cares.... its all going towards a great company, who may in the future.... give us some more back to the future.
Anyways if I was gonna whine about something it would be that I bought the Sam and Max pack the day before the 50% off sale. XD
That's precisely what might be bad for TTG in the long run, if people feel that ordering later is better than earlier, and what this whole topic is about.
I don't complain about the $5, I gladly give my $5 to TTG, because I like the games they make.
I didn't complain or request a refund, (not even when I couldn't play a single game out of the GAB2010 other than Sam and Max and practically paid $20 for nothing, because the affected games weren't within TTG's reach to fix, and I'm sure TTG would have given me that refund, because that's the kind of awesome guys they are),
but if I can choose to pay a higher or a lower price for something I usually pick the lower price, and most people who don't have money like hay or are die-hard fans of the company do this, so, if I know TTG keeps throwing discounts like this I benefit more from waiting until the final day of the pre-order to catch such an offer, while still getting all the benefits and get to play the game at the same time as everyone else.
If showing your support to the company by pre-ordering early isn't worth anything, and "outsiders" get the great deals, then why pre-order? If enough people figure that out, the result is few early pre-orders. I'm not a marketing/business expert, but afaik early pre-orders are a lot better than late pre-orders.
In the end, adventure games are great and I hope that this business plan actually gets some new people on the boat which results in TTG getting larger budgets to produce even better games in the future, but sometimes design decisions of recent games and business decisions like this feel like it's just about selling stuff, expanding and making simple accessible games for "everyone" and not about saving the adventure genre anymore, which was why I became a fan of TTG in the first place.
So yeah, it's not about having paid measly $5 more than others, that money I probably owe them anyway for the countless discounts/free shipping/DVDs in the past, present and possible future, because as you have by now repeated: If you want to pay less, everyone can do it by just waiting for the right moment, and so could I have, but I haven't, because without a doubt, BttF will be worth these $25.
I hope this wall of text makes clear that it's not about money but about feeling a bit neglected.
But anyway, who am I to criticize business decisions of business people who have put a lot of effort and time into learning their stuff? They'll know what's best for the company and as long as the result is still games I want to play, I ride with it, because that's what counts, the games, aren't they?
It just seems so counterproductive to me.
Am I the only one who is hung up on the free card game deal? I don't see why TT couldn't have offered it to those who had already pre-ordered.
I guess business is business, afterall.
Pretty sure we've established this isn't the issue.
Choosing the right one when it comes is an art. The price keeps getting lower and the deals keep getting better, but you never know if there's going to be a next deal, a better deal, so you have to decide if the current one is good enough for you.
And the $20 is good enough for me, so I'll just go with that
And for anyone who doesn't, imagine this situation:
You walk into a supermarket and grab a box of cereal - one that says "FREE Toy INSIDE!"
Realising that you don't need to buy anything else, you go to check out. The cashier charges you $24.95 (that's what cereal costs, right?) and you check out.
The person behind you in line buys the exact same box of cereal, with only one difference - when giving it to the cashier, he says "I saw your ad on the other side of town".
The cashier charges him $19.95.
Does that seem fair?
No.
However I must say that the radio station giving discount to concert tickets example given a page or two ago was pretty convincing.
Well it's not.
When they do that, that's because they have a deal with the radio. And calling a radio isn't free.
Moreover, this kind of offer actually doesn't exist. The offer is always limited (and it's pretty often some give away instead of just a promo) .
Now the problem is pretty different :
Through two media accessible to ANYBODY, they are selling it at two different price. It's like Telltale is the radio AND the place wherever the concert takes place ...
How is that fair at all ? It's just not.
That's the difference.
Yes, it's poorly set up so anybody can get the $19.95 deal once the FB deal landing page URL was posted. If the FB players instead got a unique one-use $5 redeemable coupon code for playing the game, would that be easier for you to swallow?
The radio station was just a hypothetical example, but if you want a specific real life one, Cinematic Titanic regularly does live movie riffing shows across the country. They sell tickets via Ticketmaster (or some other similar site), and often tell people on Twitter and Facebook that they can use a code like "MST3K" at checkout for a discount. While I can't say for sure, I believe that this sometimes happens after tickets have already been available for a little while. It's a reward for people who follow them on Facebook or Twitter, but the people have to buy the tickets at the same place as people who don't use the discount. How is that different than a reward for people who play the facebook game?
Whether or not you think it's fair, it's not like this is something that only Telltale does.
Stop trying to speak for everybody when many people don't have an issue with it.
The other problem with your example is that you've got two different stores going. They might be in the same chain, but locations and franchise differences do matter and have an effect on prices. In the case of this Facebook deal, there's only one store that you end up at either way (telltalegames.com). You just come in through a different door (facebook.com). So, how is it fair that somebody gets a better price on a product just for walking in a different door AND not being told by the store about this different door?
It's not the method the price is discounted that's the problem.
Do you happen to know if Cinematic Titanic mentions this code deal on their website? Or wherever else they typically sell their tickets?
I've never seen the codes mentioned on their site, but I could be remembering wrong. I know for a fact they're not mentioned at Ticketmaster or the various theaters' websites.
It's a very common marketing ploy to give price breaks to people who sign friends up to various websites etc. This is an extension of that philosophy. You play this facebook game, your friends see it in their feeds and get to learn about the BTTF game, and hey, you 'win' a discount for helping spread awareness of the product.
But yes, it could have been executed better.
Precisely. A mention in a blog post, or an Interloper e-mail would have been nice and I would have had no problem with the whole thing. It's the fact that Telltale seems to have kept the Facebook deal hush-hush while selling the game at two different prices that rubs me the wrong way.
and a simple decrease in price would have annoyed you all just as much.
Again, I see your point and you have every right to be upset about this, but I don't feel like Telltale did something that wrong.
Good night!
Special price ? So they're even planning to make it more expensive after next wednesday ?!
That's a joke.
The price will go down after release. Please be prepared for that, it is inevitable!
Of course, we don't know yet if a mid-season price drop will occur or if TTG will (hopefully!!) keep the price stable until May.
The BTTF game is a steal for 19.95 as well as 24.95$. As jp has stated so many times in this thread, the marketing ploy was a poorly executed one, but I hope this wasn't enraging enough to make a ten-page thread out of it. I for one, having ordered on the 26th of October, have raised a brow over this, but that was about it.
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(Random ascii comments ftw) hehe. Least we preorder people get the DVD, I dont think after the 22nd others who buy it get that do they?