So you'd say that game equates to a Telltale game in terms of overall gameplay experience and value? I mean, if we're going to go this far, why not start discussing the value of $25 period - regardless of the genre of entertainment. Maybe for one person, $25 is best spent on a remote control car, and they'd think it's silly to spend $25 on a video game.
My point here is that if we're going to discuss the value of a $25 Telltale game like BTTF, we have to keep the scope limited to video games of a certain genre. I'd say generally you might even have to limit your scope to 3D adventure games.
Okay, you're just dodging evidence at this point. Meatboy is a fantastically solid, and I'd say would out rank Telltale games in many ways. Machinarum is an adventure game even, and that came out at $20. As much as I love Telltale, I'd say Machinarum was an overall more memorable experience.
If you want only 3D adventure games, well, you're limiting yourself to such a shallow pool because very very few companies even makes those.
I'm not sure what you're saying, but if you're saying that ipad/iphone apps (like, the $5 ones) are of the same ilk as a full, 5 episode telltale release, then you've got a different opinion of games than I do.
Could you give me some examples of a bunch of really good games that would add up to $20 or $25?
Broken Sword 1 & 2 directors cuts
Aralon (I think it's call, new RPG)
The Lara Croft game that recently came out on the Xbox/ PC and has now been porter to the iPad/iPhone
NHL 11
Just because the iOS market is a race to the bottom type place (see EA's current insane sale) doesn't mean the games arent worth more / comparable to a season of a TTG game
Broken Sword 1 & 2 directors cuts
Aralon (I think it's call, new RPG)
The Lara Croft game that recently came out on the Xbox/ PC and has now been porter to the iPad/iPhone
NHL 11
Just because the iOS market is a race to the bottom type place (see EA's current insane sale) doesn't mean the games arent worth more / comparable to a season of a TTG game
How in the lords name will that add up to 20$ with NHL in the quiver?
Also I think you meant NFL.
So you'd say that game equates to a Telltale game in terms of overall gameplay experience and value? I mean, if we're going to go this far, why not start discussing the value of $25 period - regardless of the genre of entertainment. Maybe for one person, $25 is best spent on a remote control car, and they'd think it's silly to spend $25 on a video game.
My point here is that if we're going to discuss the value of a $25 Telltale game like BTTF, we have to keep the scope limited to video games of a certain genre. I'd say generally you might even have to limit your scope to 3D adventure games.
Fine. That's absolutely stupid, but we'll jump through your hoops. I get that you have to backtrack like crazy to try and justify an argument that is absolutely moronic, but you're running out of space to back away.
$20 each for Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island, Ceville, and Vampyre Story. Off the top of my head.
Okay, you're just dodging evidence at this point. Meatboy is a fantastically solid, and I'd say would out rank Telltale games in many ways. Machinarum is an adventure game even, and that came out at $20. As much as I love Telltale, I'd say Machinarum was an overall more memorable experience.
Ok, I'm not at ALL saying there aren't perhaps other adventure games out there for $20 or so that beat Telltale. But, I'll quote taumel again:
"I can get a bunch of very good games for this money elsewhere."
That's the quote I originally responded to, and the one I haven't gotten a straight answer to. First, define "bunch" and then define "very good game." A bunch to me implies at LEAST 3, if not more.
If you want only 3D adventure games, well, you're limiting yourself to such a shallow pool because very very few companies even makes those.
That's part of my point. Since the pool (supply) is limited, the money you have to pay should be more if you really love the genre. Again, I equate it to other forms of entertainment. Let's say you love miniature golf... you might be happier spending $20 on mini golf than getting a great deal on a movie ticket - say $5 for a 3D movie ticket, if that's not your thing. Point being, this is all about perspective.
So if you love 3D adventure games, then the $25 that you pay for a Telltale game might be far more worth it to you than spending $15 on a 2D 8-bit retro style platformer/sidescroller.
Obviously it's easy for someone to say that a Telltale game isn't worth their $25 if they aren't big into 3D adventure games.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of what "a bunch of very good games for this money elsewhere" means - examples of the kinds of games that taumel is talking about, where they can be purchased, etc. Again, retro games or games of a completely different genre are kind of a cheat because of the nature of the examples I've pointed out above. It's all about personal genre preference when it comes to video games.
Fine. That's absolutely stupid, but we'll jump through your hoops. I get that you have to backtrack like crazy to try and justify an argument that is absolutely moronic, but you're running out of space to back away.
$20 each for Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island, Ceville, and Vampyre Story. Off the top of my head.
Read my previous post please. It's not effing jumping through my hoops - it's all about freakin context. At least I'm trying to carry on an intelligent conversation and haven't stooped to condescending to anyone like you just did.
And to reply to your list of $20 games. Again, this wasn't about finding a game that's a better "value" than BTTF, for example. This is about finding a "bunch" of "very good" games for the price of $20, which taumel claimed he/she could do. If you carry a conversation enough out of context, you can call anyone "moronic."
Maybe he meant a bunch of good games, each at the money it costs for a Telltale Season?
But I may be wrong, last thing I want is to be caught putting things in Taumel's mouth.
Edit: Also, please play nice with the new visitors. There's gonna be a bunch around tomorrow, and you really don't want to be driving them all away with this argumentative tone. Right?
@bakntime
Listen, there is so much you could write about this and i'm neither in the mood nor am i having the time to do this right now so i'm avoiding a ongoing discussion but let me just say that a) there exist quite some options and b) the value is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of what "a bunch of very good games for this money elsewhere" means - examples of the kinds of games that taumel is talking about, where they can be purchased, etc. Again, retro games or games of a completely different genre are kind of a cheat because of the nature of the examples I've pointed out above. It's all about personal genre preference when it comes to video games.
Maybe he meant a bunch of good games, each at the money it costs for a Telltale Season?
But I may be wrong, last thing I want is to be caught putting things in Taumel's mouth.
Edit: Also, please play nice with the new visitors. There's gonna be a bunch around tomorrow, and you really don't want to be driving them all away with this argumentative tone. Right?
Thanks for the defense - even though in my particular case it's not necessary. Rather Dashing called my posts moronic and stupid in the same post. If that's the quality of his posts, I'm not overly concerned with him talking down to me, as that tends to be a rather common tactic for bullies who think they run a joint. I'm fine with it, and it won't scare me away, but I could see how others might be put off.
I'm just trying to have a discussion here, and nobody seems to want to directly answer the question.
As you say - it's certainly possible I misinterpreted taumel's post, in which case I wouldn't have been so shocked at his claim.
Again, though, the value of a video game is relative to a person's preference. Far be it from me to suggest that someone MUST think that a Telltale adventure game is a good value at $20 or $25. That's going to be a matter of what people like. I didn't make it through 15 pages of the first Twilight book, and you'd have to pay me to read the whole thing - but other people might love it, and that's fine - if they feel it's a good value.
It's just funny when people go to a forum of something they claim not to be interested in just to post that it's not worth their time or money. I don't go to a Twilight forum just to say "I can go read a bunch of very good books for the price it would cost me to read a single, $10 twilight book." Obviously if I did that I'm someone who's not interested in Twilight, so what was the purpose of a post like that?
If I lost interest in something, the last thing I'd think to do would be to go digging around the forum of its website.
Thank you. That's all I asked in the first place. I appreciate the effort.
I'll just add that I've played free adventure games (among other genre of games) that I've found to be fantastic. But you're going to be hard pressed to find a new release with the production value that Telltale usually offers. Gameplay, production value, voice acting, writing, etc are all part of the package. From that regard, it's hard to say that the $20 or so for a telltale game isn't well spent, if you're a fan of that genre of video game.
The same may go for the above linked games, and perhaps even more so than Telltale - which I have no issue with. My purpose here isn't to try and sing Telltale's praises like they're the be all end all of video games or the adventure genre. Hopefully I can just stimulate some decent thought and discussion that doesn't end in name calling.
Thanks for the defense - even though in my particular case it's not necessary. Rather Dashing called my posts moronic and stupid in the same post. If that's the quality of his posts, I'm not overly concerned with him talking down to me, as that tends to be a rather common tactic for bullies who think they run a joint. I'm fine with it, and it won't scare me away, but I could see how others might be put off.
No, I'm not talking down to you, I'm talking down to your stupid idea, because it's entirely wrong and based on a completely arbitrary set of new rules you set up for interpreting information, a new form of logic that nobody else in the world but you subscribes to, warped into a nice special shape completely disparate from actual logic because it's been warped into a form intended to make you right. Which is very difficult to do with real logic, because you are wrong.
I think I provided a pretty good list, and it's by no means complete, but it has many of the good adventure games released in the past two years that are priced below $20 as of right now. As we've said, thanks to Steam and the Steam sale going on right now, it's simply a fact that any genre with games that have been released in the past two years can be found really cheaply, especially around Christmas. There are better examples in other genres that are more widely published, but the Adventure genre still have a pretty damn healthy selection to itself.
docbrown, you will be able to play the game today. Unless you're several hours ahead of US Pacific Time, in which case your clock may roll over to the 23rd before the download link becomes available.
No, I'm not talking down to you, I'm talking down to your stupid idea, because it's entirely wrong and based on a completely arbitrary set of new rules you set up for interpreting information, a new form of logic that nobody else in the world but you subscribes to, warped into a nice special shape completely disparate from actual logic because it's been warped into a form intended to make you right. Which is very difficult to do with real logic, because you are wrong.
Oh please. Not to carry things off topic further, but look at this example - I go to a sports car website, and in a discussion of $100,000 sports cars, I make the claim that I can buy a bunch of very good cars for that price. Wouldn't you naturally assume that I'm talking about sports cars and not economy cars? Come on now. My "rules" weren't arbitrary rules, they should be the accepted context when posting on an adventure games forum. I'm sorry, but just because you called my posts stupid doesn't mean it's not a direct insult to my intelligence.
This isn't a forum about general gaming. It's a very specific genre. And yes, of course there will be tangental discussion about other genres, but the bottom line is that claims made - especially when in direct context of the BTTF adventure game by Telltale - should rightly be assumed to be referring to the appropriately equivalent genre. I don't think my "rules" if you want to call them that, were at all arbitrary. Anytime you're having a comparative discussion about the value of a product, you MUST find some sort of limiting scope that's understood before you start the discussion. It's easy to say "my $25 would be better spent on gas" but that's a moot discussion.
"That Ferrari isn't worth $100,000."
If that comment was made on a sports car discussion forum in the Ferrari subform, in a thread about a $100,000 Ferrari, you'd rightly assume we're talking about sports cars and/or Ferraris specifically. You would naturally NOT assume that the poster intended to mean "in comparison to electric vehicles or SUVs" if they don't outright say that.
Your post does not work for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the unwieldy analogy that simply does not fit. Adventure games are not the sports cars of video games, this is not in particular an adventure gamers'/adventure gaming forum(For that I suggest this), but instead a forum for a game company that happens to MAKE adventure games(and it could just as easily be an 'Episodic Gaming' forum or an 'Indie game studio' forum, for which cheap games are plentiful). Back to the Future itself is not adventure-specific, but actually had a few arcade-style games on earlier consoles. So no, the sports car analogy doesn't work.
Your post does not work for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the unwieldy analogy that simply does not fit. Adventure games are not the sports cars of video games, this is not in particular an adventure gamers'/adventure gaming forum(For that I suggest this), but instead a forum for a game company that happens to MAKE adventure games(and it could just as easily be an 'Episodic Gaming' forum or an 'Indie game studio' forum, for which cheap games are plentiful). Back to the Future itself is not adventure-specific, but actually had a few arcade-style games on earlier consoles. So no, the sports car analogy doesn't work.
I don't think I have the intelligence or enough posts on the forums here to respond to this. I think I'm going to have to acquiesce to your seniority on this one. Mayhaps I need to lurk moar.
Imma go to Harry Potter forum now and talk about how much of a better deal political satire books are.
Imma go to Harry Potter forum now and talk about how much of a better deal political satire books are.
That doesn't make sense. Your average political satire book has a far worse page to dollar ratio than your average Harry Potter book. Those books were printed like CRAZY, and now they're crazy cheap. For books of that size, it's hard to beat the value. If you can get past them sucking(which, if you're in the intended audience of children, you pretty easily can), then it's a pretty good literary value proposition.
That doesn't make sense. Your average political satire book has a far worse page to dollar ratio than your average Harry Potter book. Those books were printed like CRAZY, and now they're crazy cheap. For books of that size, it's hard to beat the value. If you can get past them sucking(which, if you're in the intended audience of children, you pretty easily can), then it's a pretty good literary value proposition.
:eek::D
Either I can't stand you or I'm starting to like you. Could be both.
It seems silly to moan about $5, when telltale just issued a coupon for all preorder customers (that expired this morning), which entitled you to 80% off your entire shopping basket.
It seems silly to moan about $5, when telltale just issued a coupon for all preorder customers (that expired this morning), which entitled you to 80% off your entire shopping basket.
Pity that I have nothing left to buy from Telltale (for the moment). I own all the games. Including two copies of Puzzle Agent now. The only merchandise I would want is the BTTF card game, and I think I'll just buy that direct from Looney Labs.
Pity that I have nothing left to buy from Telltale (for the moment). I own all the games. Including two copies of Puzzle Agent now. The only merchandise I would want is the BTTF card game, and I think I'll just buy that direct from Looney Labs.
Well my order came to $200, and I paid $40 (about £20) so that is a great saving.. Thanks Telltale
Dammit, looks like I missed out And with the news of my 'free' episode not being unlocked till Feb I feel even more annoyed. Sure its still only $25 but when its right near xmas its a time where you're trying to save as much money as possible
Going to try & resist complaining further but it feels like the sale price is going up & down like Amazon.com
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Okay, you're just dodging evidence at this point. Meatboy is a fantastically solid, and I'd say would out rank Telltale games in many ways. Machinarum is an adventure game even, and that came out at $20. As much as I love Telltale, I'd say Machinarum was an overall more memorable experience.
If you want only 3D adventure games, well, you're limiting yourself to such a shallow pool because very very few companies even makes those.
Broken Sword 1 & 2 directors cuts
Aralon (I think it's call, new RPG)
The Lara Croft game that recently came out on the Xbox/ PC and has now been porter to the iPad/iPhone
NHL 11
Just because the iOS market is a race to the bottom type place (see EA's current insane sale) doesn't mean the games arent worth more / comparable to a season of a TTG game
How in the lords name will that add up to 20$ with NHL in the quiver?
Also I think you meant NFL.
$20 each for Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island, Ceville, and Vampyre Story. Off the top of my head.
"I can get a bunch of very good games for this money elsewhere."
That's the quote I originally responded to, and the one I haven't gotten a straight answer to. First, define "bunch" and then define "very good game." A bunch to me implies at LEAST 3, if not more.
That's part of my point. Since the pool (supply) is limited, the money you have to pay should be more if you really love the genre. Again, I equate it to other forms of entertainment. Let's say you love miniature golf... you might be happier spending $20 on mini golf than getting a great deal on a movie ticket - say $5 for a 3D movie ticket, if that's not your thing. Point being, this is all about perspective.
So if you love 3D adventure games, then the $25 that you pay for a Telltale game might be far more worth it to you than spending $15 on a 2D 8-bit retro style platformer/sidescroller.
Obviously it's easy for someone to say that a Telltale game isn't worth their $25 if they aren't big into 3D adventure games.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of what "a bunch of very good games for this money elsewhere" means - examples of the kinds of games that taumel is talking about, where they can be purchased, etc. Again, retro games or games of a completely different genre are kind of a cheat because of the nature of the examples I've pointed out above. It's all about personal genre preference when it comes to video games.
And to reply to your list of $20 games. Again, this wasn't about finding a game that's a better "value" than BTTF, for example. This is about finding a "bunch" of "very good" games for the price of $20, which taumel claimed he/she could do. If you carry a conversation enough out of context, you can call anyone "moronic."
But I may be wrong, last thing I want is to be caught putting things in Taumel's mouth.
Edit: Also, please play nice with the new visitors. There's gonna be a bunch around tomorrow, and you really don't want to be driving them all away with this argumentative tone. Right?
Listen, there is so much you could write about this and i'm neither in the mood nor am i having the time to do this right now so i'm avoiding a ongoing discussion but let me just say that a) there exist quite some options and b) the value is in the eye of the beholder.
@jp-30
So you've really invited your parents?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/23460/
Jolly Rover(2D adventure). Released this past June. $5.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/58200/
3D Sherlock Holmes games. $13.95 as a pack, as low as $2.50 each. Youngest game is less than a year old.
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/2696/
Dracula: Origin. A couple years old. $5.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/11050/
Jack Keane. 2008. $2.50.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/12340/
Amnesia: The Dark Descent. September. $10
http://store.steampowered.com/app/57300/
I'm just trying to have a discussion here, and nobody seems to want to directly answer the question.
As you say - it's certainly possible I misinterpreted taumel's post, in which case I wouldn't have been so shocked at his claim.
Again, though, the value of a video game is relative to a person's preference. Far be it from me to suggest that someone MUST think that a Telltale adventure game is a good value at $20 or $25. That's going to be a matter of what people like. I didn't make it through 15 pages of the first Twilight book, and you'd have to pay me to read the whole thing - but other people might love it, and that's fine - if they feel it's a good value.
It's just funny when people go to a forum of something they claim not to be interested in just to post that it's not worth their time or money. I don't go to a Twilight forum just to say "I can go read a bunch of very good books for the price it would cost me to read a single, $10 twilight book." Obviously if I did that I'm someone who's not interested in Twilight, so what was the purpose of a post like that?
If I lost interest in something, the last thing I'd think to do would be to go digging around the forum of its website.
audiosurf
vvvvvv
jolly roger
braid
eversion
and those were generally just randomly picked from a pile
I'll just add that I've played free adventure games (among other genre of games) that I've found to be fantastic. But you're going to be hard pressed to find a new release with the production value that Telltale usually offers. Gameplay, production value, voice acting, writing, etc are all part of the package. From that regard, it's hard to say that the $20 or so for a telltale game isn't well spent, if you're a fan of that genre of video game.
The same may go for the above linked games, and perhaps even more so than Telltale - which I have no issue with. My purpose here isn't to try and sing Telltale's praises like they're the be all end all of video games or the adventure genre. Hopefully I can just stimulate some decent thought and discussion that doesn't end in name calling.
I think I provided a pretty good list, and it's by no means complete, but it has many of the good adventure games released in the past two years that are priced below $20 as of right now. As we've said, thanks to Steam and the Steam sale going on right now, it's simply a fact that any genre with games that have been released in the past two years can be found really cheaply, especially around Christmas. There are better examples in other genres that are more widely published, but the Adventure genre still have a pretty damn healthy selection to itself.
docbrown, you will be able to play the game today. Unless you're several hours ahead of US Pacific Time, in which case your clock may roll over to the 23rd before the download link becomes available.
generally around noon pacific time central
ie, about 10 hours. but that's still a rough estimate.
I'm not sure if i should say sorry or laugh but my instant reaction was to laugh and then think about it.
This isn't a forum about general gaming. It's a very specific genre. And yes, of course there will be tangental discussion about other genres, but the bottom line is that claims made - especially when in direct context of the BTTF adventure game by Telltale - should rightly be assumed to be referring to the appropriately equivalent genre. I don't think my "rules" if you want to call them that, were at all arbitrary. Anytime you're having a comparative discussion about the value of a product, you MUST find some sort of limiting scope that's understood before you start the discussion. It's easy to say "my $25 would be better spent on gas" but that's a moot discussion.
"That Ferrari isn't worth $100,000."
If that comment was made on a sports car discussion forum in the Ferrari subform, in a thread about a $100,000 Ferrari, you'd rightly assume we're talking about sports cars and/or Ferraris specifically. You would naturally NOT assume that the poster intended to mean "in comparison to electric vehicles or SUVs" if they don't outright say that.
Imma go to Harry Potter forum now and talk about how much of a better deal political satire books are.
k bro
Either I can't stand you or I'm starting to like you. Could be both.
Can I get last sword?
(it's a foil. Not a sword. Foiled again. bah.)
I could fall asleep when looking at this animation, so soft, so comfy, so ... just the reset is too harsh.
Ooh! A big red target!
It's so beautiful... FUKKIN SAVED
Pity that I have nothing left to buy from Telltale (for the moment). I own all the games. Including two copies of Puzzle Agent now. The only merchandise I would want is the BTTF card game, and I think I'll just buy that direct from Looney Labs.
Going to try & resist complaining further but it feels like the sale price is going up & down like Amazon.com