Spoiler! Did he do it?
Do you think Lee killed the Senator? Was it murder or self defense? Why does Lee seem more angry at the Senator than his wife?
Whatever happened I have a sinking feeling that this secret will come back to haunt him, and not just in dreams.
Whatever happened I have a sinking feeling that this secret will come back to haunt him, and not just in dreams.
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Did he do it? I don't think he intentionally murdered the Senator. I think there was a confrontation that took a bad turn, and the Senator was killed more by accident than anything. Lee blames himself, which is why he won't really defend himself when directly questioned about it.
But wouldn't it be nice if it turned out that depending on your the choices you made throught the whole game (for example kill or spare decisions) determines the outcome on flashbacks like those
That's my feeling too. I figure something happened. From the flashes it sounds like he may have been defending his wife from the Senator. There was a struggle and as a result the Senator died. He being there when it happened of course was accused of murder.
That'd be great. Maybe every time you pick the more violent option (e.g.: Siding with Larry and saying they should kill Duck, giving Irene the gun) pushes you towards being guilty.
And yes, either way, i get the feeling this will come back to haunt him (SUPERZOMBIE SENATOR BOSSFIGHT!!!!... well OK, maybe not, but something
ROFLMAO. That would be hilariously awesome.
No one's saying it would actually change the past, just that they might possibly have different possible versions of what happened - just like a game would have different endings - and which one you see depends on how you've played.
For instance, my Lee is, for lack of a better term, very paragon. It'd be pretty cool if we see the murder, and my paragon Lee was fighting back in self defense against the senator. Conversely, anyone with a hostile Lee would get a clip of him bashing the senator's head in, or whatever happened. It'd be a nice touch, is all.
I guess the story must be a little bit complicated because Lee lost contact to his family. Maybe they didn't approve of his wife or something.
Anyway, we'll find out in the future episode. I would not want anybody to spoil it for me.
Lee coming in, or Senator going out?
Pre-zombie-pocalypse Senator coming in and Lee killing it in defense, thus being convicted of murder because no one knows about zombification yet?
maybe???
Oh. That would be interesting.
Ahhh, the Senator was an early zombie, hadn't thought of that. Very good!!!
Either way, if a guy was sleeping with my wife and I caught them, I'd kill him too. And depending on how it went down, you don't go to jail for that. If you walk in on them and kill him it is a crime of passion and killing an adulterer spur of the moment, you don't go to jail in most states. If you find out about it, plot for a few weeks, then kill him it's pre-meditated. Obviously Lee was going to jail tho so something happened. I think you're right tho, senator was a zombie
obviously they had to make it a senator he killed, which allows them to let him off the hook. they can easily implant the excuse that the senator was a crooked man who did stuff to him or was blackmailing or manipulating his wife or something like that, and because a senator has friends in high places, if something happens to them someone has to pay for it.
most likely the plot will move towards revealing and explaining why he was innocent. it'll be an artificial excuse to make him the good guy who got a bad rap. that much is apparent in that he saves a little girl in the beginning, trying to make his character seem heroic and caring rather than a murderer.
As far as him being an early zombie, he easily could have been. The virus was distributed by terrorists possibly and targeting congress first would be smart. That would also explain the bit in the beginning where Lee is afraid of the dead officer and in particular his mouth(when he drops the keys).
Great point!
That explanation could explain that bit in the beginning (which annoyed me), but it'd be a bad revelation. That thing all the greatest zombie-movies, and stories (The Walking Dead included), have in common, is that none of them have explained what caused the zombie outbreak. The reason for this is that any explanation would be laughable, and would distance the viewer/reader from the suspense of the story.
Also, I thought the senator could have been a zombie while playing the game, but the more I thought about it it couldn't possibly have been the case. The murder had to have been some time ago. Probably several months, Possibly even a couple of years. With the "zombie world mechanic" in The Walking Dead, it could only have happened a day, or maybe two, earlier. A worldwide epidemic would have come pretty shortly after the "rules" set in. Your explanation does a better job then I could have thought of explaining how it could be possible, but there's still a large hole there. Lets say the murder was as little as three months prior. Then, in a minimum of three months, the virus must have spread from the congressmen, to the whole world. As the outbreak is explained as an almost over-the-night thing in the game (A bad decision from the game's part, the comic portrais it as something happening over the course of a couple of days at least), it'd be impossible to have a virus spread through the globe without several minor outbreak, until good ol' Z-day. :P
If Kirkman has a hand in the writing, I don't think Lee's murder was entirely morally justified.
as for lee's barn nightmare she says i love you then screams and we hear a crash/smash so it could be she's saying she loves the senator and lee then smashes something over his head..
great point! thought the same thing today and was going to open a thread about this idea - but wanted to read this thread first, because it seemed related too much... great that others also thought about that. great that i am not alone with this thought
i mean seriously, it makes sense - clem asks him in the hideout of his parents if he is a murderer and lee was able to answer (that's what i've chosen) that it's not that easy to tell... that it's complicated. maybe he was one of the first zombies and he died because of some sorta self-defence... or the possible answer coming from lee after "killing" the babysitter of clem: that something killed her before he did. think about it.
also the hints in all the soryspoilers from reviews about the first episode, that "he may be a killer or may be not" - like it's just a matter of definition.
the less are infected the more time is necessary to infect more - it's way harder to spread the virus.
exaclty my inner reaction, wabbittwaks...
when someone important with power, money, etc. gets kidnapped or murdered things move alot faster than they would with a homeless guy.
Not saying thats the case but it's usually like that lol only thing we do know is that he had a trial.
Also i think the events happened few days before the virus outbreak, since well lee didn't had convict clothes and he seems to still have trouble with nightmares and phsycological stuff that well i guess it would go away after time passes.
About that senator guy being the first zombie i don't know lee's expression wasn't the one from someone who already knew dead guys get up (when he saw the cop get up after the car accident).
However i guess it is possible as you know they are all infected.
What about soldiers in every war in history??? You think they should all burn too? Moral lines are messed up these days. The wild west was much more balanced. If you caught a man sleeping with your wife, you killed him. If a man admitted in public he slept with your wife, you go out in the streets and have a duel. Nowadays everyone is so pussified and gets offended at every little thing.
If someone breaks in my home, they aren't leaving breathing. If I caught my wife in bed with a man, they'd BOTH be dead, and I wouldn't go to jail for it where I live. Adultery is a serious offense
I find shooting the man to be odd quite frankly. If i caught my hypothetical wife sleeping with some guy and i was in a mind to kill (which i wouldn't be) i'd kill my wife. For all i know that guy doesn't know she's married, she however, damn well knows she's married so she's gonna be the one to eat the bullet.
Where i live however, regardless of 'crime of passion' you'd go away for it. Here you might have every right to be really pissed off, but no right to kill them for it. Crimes are for courts to preside over and taking the law into your own hands (especially in enacting a sentance that our courts have abolished many years ago) is frowned upon. Here the 'crime of passion' defense would only be taken into account for sentancing, you might get a bit of time off for it, but that's all you could hope for.
Wouldn't it be surprising and more interesting if he instead was made a lot LESS sympathetic and more guilty in the coming episodes?
With that in mind, i'd say he's more guilty than innocent given how there is an option to say that the man he killed was one of the walking dead when Clem asks about it.
Also, while moving the desk, he can admit in one way or another that his family had a falling out with him as a result of the murder.